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.ak

Hmm, 2nd image seems like it was Best actually.

However, a still image doesn't show what happened before Heaslip hit the deck. He could've touched it down and it squirted out. That's how I remember it. Really we need a slo-mo video.

b.gud

philthrill69 wrote: »

Sorry about the quality of the pics but Heaslips Hands were not on the ball.
In the replay you can see him bringing back his hand afterwards and putting it on the ball.

The thing is that those pics were from after the initial grounding, (the ref was in the way of the camera properly capturing the touchdown), so I'm not sure that's the best evidence of Best scoring.

Grimebox

How did possession change from Heaslip to Best? Heaslip had the ball at the back of the maul seconds before touching down. Why would he attempt to pass it, and in a maul of all places? I think they just fell awkwardly



I had Heaslip in my team

awec

Grimebox wrote: »

How did possession change from Heaslip to Best? Heaslip had the ball at the back of the maul seconds before touching down. Why would he attempt to pass it, and in a maul of all places? I think they just fell awkwardly



I had Heaslip in my team

One of the replay angles shows (I think) Heaslip passing it under to Best, I am guessing because Heaslip suspected that one of the Scotland players would eventually come in from the side (which they did) and his body would be protection for the ball carrier.

I personally thought it was Best, but it's a tough one to see.

Podge_irl

awec wrote: »

One of the replay angles shows (I think) Heaslip passing it under to Best.

If Heaslip is at the back of the maul wouldn't that be illegal?

shreddedloops

Didn't notice there was a Boards league until now but I managed to luck-out and bag 88 points this week with Kearney, Heaslip, Vunipola, Cuthbert and Huget the main men.

Up to 17th overall.

At the moment my plan is to pick the top 8 backrows and then change kicker/ backs based on who is against Scotland/Italy.

It's quite a poor Fantasy Team system compared to others and really depends on luck more than anything, but it does help spice up a game you might not have had much interest in.

awec

Podge_irl wrote: »

If Heaslip is at the back of the maul wouldn't that be illegal?

I think Best bound behind him, no?

awec

shreddedloops wrote: »

Didn't notice there was a Boards league until now but I managed to luck-out and bag 88 points this week with Kearney, Heaslip, Vunipola, Cuthbert and Huget the main men.

Up to 17th overall.

At the moment my plan is to pick the top 8 backrows and then change kicker/ backs based on who is against Scotland/Italy.

It's quite a poor Fantasy Team system compared to others and really depends on luck more than anything, but it does help spice up a game you might not have had much interest in.

Yea, if you had to pick the real positions, and you got points for more in-game events then it would be a lot more difficult.

Grimebox

shreddedloops wrote: »

Didn't notice there was a Boards league until now but I managed to luck-out and bag 88 points this week with Kearney, Heaslip, Vunipola, Cuthbert and Huget the main men.

Up to 17th overall.

At the moment my plan is to pick the top 8 backrows and then change kicker/ backs based on who is against Scotland/Italy.

It's quite a poor Fantasy Team system compared to others and really depends on luck more than anything, but it does help spice up a game you might not have had much interest in.

It's difficult to do fantasy Rugby altogether. It is hard to quantify the majority of positions on the pitch. My fantasy pack is made up of four 8's :pac:

Losty Dublin

Podge_irl wrote: »

If Heaslip is at the back of the maul wouldn't that be illegal?

No issue so long as the ball remains off the ground and the players remain bound into the maul. Once the ball within a maul crosses the try line, the maul ceases to be.

Podge_irl

Losty Dublin wrote: »

No issue so long as the ball remains off the ground and the players remain bound into the maul. Once the ball within a maul crosses the try line, the maul ceases to be.

I haven't looked back at it (and won't at the moment as I'm in work).

My recollection is that Heaslip was at the back of the maul. That would mean he would have to hold onto the ball at least until over the line no? If Best was behind/beside him fair enough but I was under the impression you can't even hand the ball forward.

Losty Dublin

Podge_irl wrote: »

I haven't looked back at it (and won't at the moment as I'm in work).

My recollection is that Heaslip was at the back of the maul. That would mean he would have to hold onto the ball at least until over the line no? If Best was behind/beside him fair enough but I was under the impression you can't even hand the ball forward.

With the benefit of Youtube on the phone, this is what I saw... Heaslip gains possession on the ground after the catch and players bind onto him. Best joins at the back and it moves forward very quickly and loses a lot of bodies en route, thus shrugging off the defending forwards. By the time it's grounded there's just two green shirts and two very loose Scottish shirts barely bound when the ball crosses the line and it's touched down before anybody knew it.

Bear in mind that during a maul the ball may be anywhere within the maul so more than one player can have a hand on the ball and from either team, so it's not exactly a bread and butter call for a referee to make.

b.gud

The teams for this weekend for reference when making changes

Ireland:
R Kearney; A Trimble, B O’Driscoll, G D’Arcy, D Kearney; J Sexton, C Murray; C Healy, R Best, M Ross, D Toner, P O’Connell (capt.); P O’Mahony, C Henry, J Heaslip.

Replacements: S Cronin, J McGrath, M Moore, D Tuohy, T O’Donnell, I Boss, P Jackson, F McFadden.

Wales:
Leigh Halfpenny (Cardiff Blues); Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues), Scott Williams (Scarlets), Jamie Roberts (Racing Metro), George North (Northampton Saints); Rhys Priestland (Scarlets), Mike Phillips (Racing Metro); Gethin Jenkins (Cardiff Blues), Richard Hibbard (Ospreys), Adam Jones (Ospreys); Andrew Coombs (Newport Gwent Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys); Dan Lydiate (Racing Metro), Sam Warburton (Capt – Cardiff Blues), Taulupe Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons).

Replacements: Ken Owens (Scarlets), Paul James (Bath Rugby), Rhodri Jones (Scarlets), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Rhys Webb (Ospreys), James Hook (Perpignan), Liam Williams (Scarlets).

Scotland:
Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh), Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh, capt.), Ryan Grant (Glasgow Warriors), Ross Ford (Edinburgh), Moray Low (Glasgow Warriors), Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors), Jim Hamilton (Montpellier), Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors), Chris Fusaro (Glasgow Warriors), David Denton (Edinburgh).

Replacements: Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh), Geoff Cross (Edinburgh), Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors), Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier), Chris Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens), Max Evans (Castres).

England:
Mike Brown; Jack Nowell, Luther Burrell, Billy Twelvetrees, Jonny May; Owen Farrell, Danny Care; Billy Vunipola, Chris Robshaw (capt), Tom Wood; Courtney Lawes, Joe Launchbury; Dan Cole, Dylan Hartley, Joe Marler

Replacements: Tom Youngs, Mako Vunipola, Henry Thomas, Dave Attwood, Ben Morgan, Lee Dickson, Brad Barritt, Alex Goode

France:
Brice Dulin; Yoann Huget, Mathieu Bastareaud, Wesley Fofana, Hugo Bonneval; Jules Plisson, Jean-Marc Doussain; Thomas Domingo, Dimitri Szarzewski, Nicolas Mas; Pascal Pape (capt), Yoann Maestri, Yannick Nyanga, Bernard Leroux ,Louis Picamoles.
Replacements: Benjamin Kayser, Yannick Forestier, Rabah Slimani, Sebastien Vahaamahina, Damien Chouly, Maxime Machenaud, Francois Trinh-Duc, Gael Fickou.

Italy:
Luke MCLEAN (Benetton Treviso, 53 caps), Tommaso IANNONE (Zebre, 7 caps), Michele CAMPAGNARO (Benetton Treviso, 3 caps), Gonzalo GARCIA (Zebre Rugby, 29 caps), Leonardo SARTO (Zebre Rugby, 3 caps), Tommaso ALLAN (Perpignan, 4 caps), Edoardo GORI (Benetton Treviso, 30 caps); Alberto DE MARCHI (Benetton Treviso, 13 caps), Leonardo GHIRALDINI (Benetton Treviso, 60 caps), Martin CASTROGIOVANNI (Toulon RC, 102 caps), Quintin GELDENHUYS (Zebre Rugby, 42 caps), Joshua FURNO (Biarritz Olympique, 14 caps), Francesco MINTO (Benetton Treviso, 8 caps), Mauro BERGAMASCO (Zebre Rugby, 96 caps), Sergio PARISSE (Stade Francais, 102 caps)

Replacements:
Davide GIAZZON (Zebre Rugby, 16 caps), Michele RIZZO (Benetton Treviso, 12 caps), Lorenzo CITTADINI (Benetton Treviso, 28 caps), Marco BORTOLAMI (Zebre Rugby, 100 caps), Alessandro ZANNI (Benetton Treviso, 81 caps), Tobias Weitz BOTES (Benetton Treviso, 20 caps), Luciano ORQUERA (Zebre Rugby, 37 caps), Angelo ESPOSITO (Benetton Treviso, 1 cap)

errlloyd

Dousain will defo be goal kicking for France right?

shreddedloops

errlloyd wrote: »

Dousain will defo be goal kicking for France right?

I'm not very familiar with the new French players but judging by the stats I'd say he's a definite to be kicking.

errlloyd

Right, quick guess at the best team from today's two rounds. Dunno why I am posting it because it means little, but here it is.

3 Warburton (any full 80 Welsh forward)
3 Faletau (any full 80 Welsh forward)
3 Fusaro (any all 80 Scot forward)
8 Henry
8 POM

6 Care
7 Sexton (Tecnically you could pick paddy, would have been inspired)

13 Brown
7 Burrell
3 North (any all 80 Welsh back)
3 Hogg (any all 80 Scot back)
3 Lamont (any all 80 Scot back)

So 67 was pretty close to the strongest return.

Nowell was worth 6, but picking him would have involved dropping Care, who was also worth 6, Care's next best alternative was Murray, who would have involed dropping an Irish player etc etc - It does work out if I allow you to pick Paddy Jackson and make Halfpenny your goal kicker, but I am not, because that would have been silly.

Losty Dublin

errlloyd wrote: »

Right, quick guess at the best team from today's two rounds. Dunno why I am posting it because it means little, but here it is.

3 Warburton (any full 80 Welsh forward)
3 Faletau (any full 80 Welsh forward)
3 Fusaro (any all 80 Scot forward)
8 Henry
8 POM

6 Care
7 Sexton (Tecnically you could pick paddy, would have been inspired)

13 Brown
7 Burrell
3 North (any all 80 Welsh back)
3 Hogg (any all 80 Scot back)
3 Lamont (any all 80 Scot back)

So 67 was pretty close to the strongest return.

Nowell was worth 6, but picking him would have involved dropping Care, who was also worth 6, Care's next best alternative was Murray, who would have involed dropping an Irish player etc etc - It does work out if I allow you to pick Paddy Jackson and make Halfpenny your goal kicker, but I am not, because that would have been silly.

I'm hoping for at least 3 tries each from Bergamasco, Castrogiavanni, Fofanu, Laroux and Picamoles and MOTM picks aplenty today :pac:

errlloyd

Losty Dublin wrote: »

I'm hoping for at least 3 tries each from Bergamasco, Castrogiavanni, Fofanu, Laroux and Picamoles and MOTM picks aplenty today :pac:

Everything else is pretty likely, but more than one man of the match and I am calling hacks.

Podge_irl

Bollocks. Didn't realise the teams were locked once the first game started. I still have Medard on my team.

Gidea

Picamoles and Fofana just need the black bull and campagnero to score!

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

98 points now!

Grimebox

130 after the France match

19543261

125

b.gud

148

awec

102.

A2LUE42

Up to 137. Having a non player in round one didn't help, but got lucky that the original selection was solid enough. Completely forgot to fix when the teams were announced.

Howjoe1

132. POC and his chest infection costs me a few points week one. Too far back already I reckon.

Grimebox

I had Kelly Brown in my team. I didn't even check to see if Scotland dropped their captain

errlloyd

120, bit devo. Huget not making the line himself and Dulin being held up cost me a fair whack of points.

I also need to stop picking George North, he's been anonymous.

3 Warburton (any full 80 Welsh forward)
3 Faletau (any full 80 Welsh forward)
3 Fusaro (any all 80 Scot forward)
8 Henry
8 POM
7 Picamoles
3 Parisse
3 Furno

6 Care
7 Sexton (Tecnically you could pick paddy)

13 Brown
7 Burrell
13 Fofanna
8 Bonneval
8 Iannoe

Approximately although I did this quickly 100 points was the maximum achievable in round 2.

Grimebox

errlloyd wrote: »

120, bit devo. Huget not making the line himself and Dulin being held up cost me a fair whack of points.

I also need to stop picking George North, he's been anonymous.

3 Warburton (any full 80 Welsh forward)
3 Faletau (any full 80 Welsh forward)
3 Fusaro (any all 80 Scot forward)
8 Henry
8 POM
7 Picamoles
3 Parisse
3 Furno

6 Care
7 Sexton (Tecnically you could pick paddy)

13 Brown
7 Burrell
13 Fofanna
8 Bonneval
8 Iannoe

Approximately although I did this quickly 100 points was the maximum achievable in round 2.

Surely Dussain at scrumhalf as your kicker

Mr.Prodston

150 points, top of the "Feck Toulon" league and 97th overall. Delighted with that naturally!

errlloyd

Grimebox wrote: »

Surely Dussain at scrumhalf as your kicker

Doussain was worth 8, which is more than Sexton on 7 for sure, but to pick Dousain you have to drop Picamoles, which loses you 4 points overall, or Bonneval which also loses you a handful of points.

You can theoretically get more points I think if I allow you to pick Paddy Jackson at outhalf instead of Sexton though I think. There or there abouts.

nudger

127 not too bad, having 3 welsh in my backs didn't help.

Grimebox

errlloyd wrote: »

Doussain was worth 8, which is more than Sexton on 7 for sure, but to pick Dousain you have to drop Picamoles, which loses you 4 points overall, or Bonneval which also loses you a handful of points.

You can theoretically get more points I think if I allow you to pick Paddy Jackson at outhalf instead of Sexton though I think. There or there abouts.

That's exactly what I did

errlloyd

Grimebox wrote: »

That's exactly what I did

I dropped him too! For Huget I think. I keep picking Dulin and I am afraid to stop.

19543261

Dont worry, he'll pay up like Fofana

b.gud

The best thing I did was change my kicker from 1/2p in round 1 to Sexton in round 2.
Had a feeling we'd keep the penalty count down ( Though I didn't dream it'd be down as much as it was )

Grimebox

What to do this week? All the teams are closely matched

Morf

Grimebox wrote: »

What to do this week? All the teams are closely matched

Lionel Nallet for a hat-trick?

Larbre34

Whats the changes deadline for this week due to the Friday game??

b.gud

Here are the teams for the weekend to help you with your transfers


Wales:
15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 Alex Cuthbert, 13 George North, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 Delon Liam Williams, 10 Rhys Priestland, 9 Rhys Webb,
8 Toby Faletau, 7 Sam Warburton (capt), 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Alun-Wyn Jones, 4 Luke Charteris, 3 Adam Jones, 2 Richard Hibbard, 1 Gethin Jenkins.

Replacements: 16 Ken Owens, 17 Paul James, 18 Rhodri Jones, 19 Jake Ball, 20 Justin Tipuric, 21 Mike Phillips, 22 Dan Biggar, 23 James Hook.

France:
15 Brice Dulin, 14 Yoann Huget, 13 Mathieu Bastareaud, 12 Wesley Fofana, 11 Hugo Bonneval, 10 Jules Plisson, 9 Jean-Marc Doussain,
8 Louis Picamoles, 7 Wenceslas Lauret, 6 Yannick Nyanga, 5 Yoann Maestri 4 Pascal Papé (c), 3 Nicolas Mas, 2 Dimitri Szarzewski, 1 Thomas Domingo

Replacements: 16 Brice Mach, 17 Yannick Forestier, 18 Vincent Debaty , 19 Sebastien Vahaamahina, 20 Damien Chouly, 21 Maxime Machenaud, 22 Rémi Talès, 23 Gael Fickou.

Italy: Luke McLean; Angelo Esposito, Michele Campagnaro, Gonzalo Garcia, Leonardo Sarto; Tommaso Allan, Edoardo Gori; Alberto De Marchi, Leonardo Ghiraldini, Martin Castrogiovanni; Quintin Geldenhuys, Joshua Furno; Alessandro Zanni, Robert Barbieri, Sergio Parisse (capt.).
Replacements: Davide Giazzon, Matias Aguero, Lorenzo Cittadini, Marco Bortolami, Paul Derbyshire, Tobias Botes, Luciano Orquera, Tommaso Iannone.

Scotland: Stuart Hogg; Tommy Seymour, Alex Dunbar, Matt Scott, Sean Lamont; Duncan Weir, Greig Laidlaw (capt); Ryan Grant, Scott Lawson, Moray Low; Richie Gray, Jim Hamilton; Ryan Wilson, Chris Fusaro, Johnnie Beattie.
Replacements: Ross Ford, Alasdair Dickinson, Geoff Cross, Tim Swinson, David Denton, Chris Cusiter, Duncan Taylor, Max Evans

Ireland: Rob Kearney (Leinster); Andrew Trimble (Ulster), Brian O'Driscoll (Leinster), Gordon D'Arcy (Leinster), Dave Kearney (Leinster); Jonathan Sexton (Racing Metro), Conor Murray (Munster); Cian Healy (Leinster), Rory Best (Ulster), Mike Ross (Leinster), Devin Toner (Leinster), Paul O'Connell (Munster) capt; Peter O'Mahony (Munster), Chris Henry (Ulster), Jamie Heaslip (Leinster).

Replacements: Sean Cronin (Leinster), Jack McGrath (Leinster), Martin Moore (Leinster), Iain Henderson (Ulster), Jordi Murphy (Leinster), Isaac Boss (Leinster), Paddy Jackson (Ulster), Fergus McFadden (Leinster)

England: Mike Brown (Harlequins); Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints), Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester), Jonny May (Gloucester); Owen Farrell (Saracens), Danny Care (Harlequins); Joe Marler (Harlequins), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), David Wilson (Bath), Joe Launchbury (London Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), Billy Vunipola (Saracens).

Replacements: Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Henry Thomas (Sale Sharks), Dave Attwood (Bath), Ben Morgan (Gloucester), Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints), George Ford (Bath), Alex Goode (Saracens).

errlloyd

This week is the toughest by quite some margin. I've thrown caution to the wind and picked campagnaro and hogg hoping that Italy is the game with space.

b.gud

errlloyd wrote: »

This week is the toughest by quite some margin. I've thrown caution to the wind and picked campagnaro and hogg hoping that Italy is the game with space.

Ya I agree. That's actually pretty much identical to what I did. Kept Cuthbert and let North go, don't think he's as likely to score from 13, as he is on the wing

Grimebox

Hogg is a good shout. No idea who to pick as kicker

19543261

Switched Heaslip out for Healy on the chance we'll scrum well + do the flashy stuff. MOTM.

Took errlloyd's advice and put in Campagnaro )

Kept Hog from last week. Fofana and Bonneval just because. Dave out for Trimble, Laidlaw for Philips.

Tempting to put in a sneaky Italian winger or Brown for Bonneval..

Grimebox

19543261 wrote: »

Switched Heaslip out for Healy on the chance we'll scrum well + do the flashy stuff. MOTM.

Took errlloyd's advice and put in Campagnaro )

Kept Hog from last week. Fofana and Bonneval just because. Dave out for Trimble, Laidlaw for Philips.

Tempting to put in a sneaky Italian winger or Brown for Bonneval..

Philips is on the bench.

I am going to keep an eye on next week and try and maintain as many french and irish in try scoring positions so I don't get caught out with the transfer limit. This week is largely a lottery.

19543261

Oops, meant Philips for Laidlaw.

b.gud

b.gud wrote: »

Ya I agree. That's actually pretty much identical to what I did. Kept Cuthbert and let North go, don't think he's as likely to score from 13, as he is on the wing

But then again what do I know

Gidea

Swapped Brown out for Rob Kearney, just looked there that i picked dave instead

Losty Dublin

Just as well I added Dunbar to my team on Friday; I've have had a woeful weekend otherwise