Denis O’Brien and Irish Water

Chips Lovell

The fact that Denis O'Brien owns Siteserv isn't in dispute.

But if you want to maintain that simple fact is some sort of smoking gun for a vast conspiracy, go on ahead.

And Alan Dukes didn't "give" €100 million to anyone.

renegademaster

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Point is that people put them there. That somehow isn't registering with people.

Use your votes please. Stop mis-using them on FF/FG.

cowens government didn't get as long as the current governments!! imagine what will be next if we leave these cretins in to corrupt all around them until april 2016! remind me again why we're just leaving them to it??

Irish Steve

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Ah yes. This chestnut. Keep the cnuts in power shure an' begorrah de wee Oirish people won't do better.'


Do you understand that there are STEPS in every process?
Do you understand the first step is voting these cnuts out?

Would you let a burglar into your home on the basis that a different burglar might be worse?

Absolutely not, the best solution to a repeat offender that does not learn from the first lesson is something very permanent.

You misunderstand me, I want the whole festering pile of them OUT, permanently, and with their gold plated pensions cancelled, and their ease out of office sweeteners removed, and their pensions before the retirement age frozen till they are retiring age (or even better till hell freezes over)

My point is that it makes damn all difference at the moment who we vote for, they are all flavours of the same stinkin trough, the only difference being which accent they speak with.

When I say None of the above, that doesn't mean leave the present cnuts in there, it means remove the lot of them, and the corrupt people at the top of the system that do everything they can to keep things working to their advantage, regardless of what party is nominally in power.


The real power has been with the Golden Circle for a long time, and that has to be broken, permanently, preferably peacefully, but it HAS to be broken, in such a way that if can never be put back together again in the same way and with the same corrupt to the core people that are there now.

It means no more snout in trough tribunals, legislation that allows non performers to be removed (with prejudice where appropriate) it means new employment terms for anyone involved with public money that will allow recovery of funds that have been wrongly or inappropriately used, it means the end of the pension for life for non performers, ideally it means that the only way that politicians and higher grades of Semi States get pay rises is by those rises being approved by the electorate as part of an electoral or referendum decision, it means a way for a set % of the electorate to force a referendum on an issue, and for that result to be binding even if the government don't like it, it means the real power being given back to the people, and it probably also means that the people will have to be compelled to vote, so that they can't complain if they then don't like what's been done.

It probably won't happen in my lifetime, it might have if FF hadn't sold the country down the river to the Troika, and the Troika had come in and taken over completely rather than letting the present cnuts try to wriggle out of the mess they'd made.

The short term pain would have been much worse, but the long term misery would perhaps have been less, as things would have changed, we've got the worst of both worlds with this supposed bail out, all that's done is keep the present cnuts in power, and put a massive burden on the shoulders of the ordinary people of the country.

I don't see too many top civil servants, barristers, solicitors, accountants, architects or medical consultants complaining about their lot recently. Wonder why? Perhaps because most of them haven't actually taken much of a long term hit.

I don't see people like Bertie and Biffo having to hope that their medical cards are not cancelled, or sell their houses to survive, or emigrate just to live, or choose between buying food or heat, because they can't have both.

They are the worst examples of a system that has allowed a very few people to get away with raping the rest of the country, and there was NO way for the ordinary man to say this has to stop, because the ordinary man has no real power over these cnuts when the chips are down, the system has been put together too well by the people that it benefits, and we are now the ones paying the murderous price for their greed and arrogance.

Certain people were corrupt, and (depending on the eventual outcome of cases before the courts ) are (probably/possibly) still corrupt, yet they get voted back into politics. That tells us something about the whole stinking system, first that they are still even allowed to stand, and second about the "quality" of the system, and third about the lack of intelligence in the voting public that keep voting them back in.

Is that the answer you were expecting?

Possibly not.

I doubt you will ever know just how much I now despise some of these people that have destroyed the future of so many others, who's only mistake was to believe that voting for them would not do any harm.

steddyeddy

We live in a extremely corrupt country ran by a bunch of political junkies who look after their friends at the expense of the country. By political junkies I mean politicians, their children, their friends and more self serving scum bags. It's a golden circle and I would have no problems calling these people scum. They have cut education and health while lining each others pockets. This will reach a tipping point.

Augmerson

zerks wrote: »

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The Troika wanted money savings and instead our glorious government waste hundreds of millions,surely somebody should be accountable and sit in front of a panel to explain what the hell is going on.

The Troika aren't interested in Ireland saving money, better accountability or governance. This is just my opinion, but I think what they want is privatisation of government services. They will get their money in the end, doesn't matter how really.

Irish Steve

donegal__road wrote: »

it would be as simple as going to a spring well for your drinking water a few times a week, I know several people that do this. Then have gutter extended from your house guttering and direct it into your tank in the attic for flushing the toilets, washing machine etc. A decent plumber would do this for you in a day.

Get real. If you live in a town of any size, there is a requirement for a system to get fresh water TO your property, and to remove waste water and associated products FROM your property, in order for the rest of the community to be able to live along side you in peace and without diseases of all sorts being spread through the community. In balance terms the cost of you going to a spring to get water and bring it home will be out of all proportion to the cost of that same quantity of water from the mains.

There is a valid point in the middle though, not all water used in the home needs to have been purified to drinking standard, but to use grey water will require some significant changes to the plumbing of a house to make it safe.

Even if grey water is used more, with some caveats in order to prevent other issues, there still need to be charges, as disposal will HAVE to be funded somehow, and in some cases is the more expensive side of the equation.

IW may not be the best way to do it, but it is A way.
The concept of only using potable water for every use is inappropriate.
Long term only charging on the basis of water IN will not be the answer.

ScumLord

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

And the claim that Siemens offered to install meters for free is dubious as well, technically they offered us a no-money-up-front deal but we would still be paying them money back over a period of years and presumably Siemens wouldn't be at a loss overall.

Of course they wouldn't. In the same way Vodafone isn't at an overall loss by giving people highly subsidised phones. It's the kind of deal many service providers do because their bread and butter is providing services not selling water meters.

steddyeddy wrote: »

We live in a extremely corrupt country ran by a bunch of political junkies who look after their friends at the expense of the country. By political junkies I mean politicians, their children, their friends and more self serving scum bags. It's a golden circle and I would have no problems calling these people scum. They have cut education and health while lining each others pockets. This will reach a tipping point.

To be fair we don't have an extremely corrupt country. It's all pretty small time financial corruption but it is systematic in this country. It's not just the big boys creaming millions, it's happening up and down the country with enterprise schemes, social initiatives, basically anywhere the government is leaking money there's some leach that's made a career out of diverting those funds into their own pockets.

But at the end of the day this is a democracy, the people are in charge and ultimately we're the ones to blame. The reason these guys get away with it is because we let them. Getting someone to stand for a position of responsibility in this country is next to impossible.

donegal__road

Irish Steve wrote: »

Get real. If you live in a town of any size, there is a requirement for a system to get fresh water TO your property, and to remove waste water and associated products FROM your property, in order for the rest of the community to be able to live along side you in peace and without diseases of all sorts being spread through the community. In balance terms the cost of you going to a spring to get water and bring it home will be out of all proportion to the cost of that same quantity of water from the mains.

There is a valid point in the middle though, not all water used in the home needs to have been purified to drinking standard, but to use grey water will require some significant changes to the plumbing of a house to make it safe.

Even if grey water is used more, with some caveats in order to prevent other issues, there still need to be charges, as disposal will HAVE to be funded somehow, and in some cases is the more expensive side of the equation.

IW may not be the best way to do it, but it is A way.
The concept of only using potable water for every use is inappropriate.
Long term only charging on the basis of water IN will not be the answer.

Apologies, I was only thinking from a rural perspective. Some neighbours of mine are lucky enough to have their own spring well from which they can pipe water directly to their homes.

On the subject of grey water, you could have your toilet cisterns running from rainwater that you harvest from your roofs drainpipes.. if you could find an efficient way of doing this, you could save approx 20 litres of water per day for each toilet. Plus you wouldn't have to worry about filtering this water.

Irish Steve

donegal__road wrote: »

Apologies, I was only thinking from a rural perspective. Some neighbours of mine are lucky enough to have their own spring well from which they can pipe water directly to their homes.

On the subject of grey water, you could have your toilet cisterns running from rainwater that you harvest from your roofs drainpipes.. if you could find an efficient way of doing this, you could save approx 20 litres of water per day for each toilet. Plus you wouldn't have to worry about filtering this water.

Absolutely, and I have no issue with that at all. For it to work however, there would have to be significant changes to the water system of almost every house, as there would be no way to do this with the way that the present plumbing systems are set up, water from the roof tanks goes to most cold water other than the kitchen, all hot water, and things like toilet flush, etc. To split them into separate systems would be a good thing to do, but is not easy, or cheap for most houses. Even things like cleaning teeth with grey water would NOT be a good idea, unless there was some form of purification in house, and that's not cheap. washing clothes in grey water would not be recommended, due to the potential for problems with some contaminants in grey water that could discolour whites in particular.

The concept is good, and should be being encouraged, but IW are not going to do it, they will want to "sell" as much as possible to the home owner or business, they will not be putting forward a "green" concept any time soon.

Stavros Murphy

Dunno how this is news to anyone. Been boiling my pi55 about this for ages - absolute banana republic. Scumbaggery is the only word for it.

20Cent

Doesn't help that anyone who protests anything in this country is immediately branded a communist hippy scumbag.

EazyD

Lots of capital, couple of select politicians in your address book and it's a home run.

Off topic, but today after dropping the gf home after work, IW meter's were being installed, blocking the majority of driveways (no notifications whatsoever). Is this standard practice?

Banjo String

20Cent wrote: »

Doesn't help that anyone who protests anything in this country is immediately branded a communist hippy scumbag.

This.

Loony left, socialist, shinner, tax evader, etc etc etc. All because you speak out against the status quo.

KyussBishop

What is left valid of the points in the original comment, after the various rebuttals? I don't disbelieve the gist of what the commenter was getting at, but obviously the details are misleading.


By the way, is there seriously anybody here who wouldn't bother protesting over this, given the parts of it we know are true? (Denis O'Brien, of all people, being put in a prime position for being handed the eventual - even if yet unstated - full privatization of our water system...)
Even if we got a tribunal over any controversial issues surrounding this, we pretty much know that is going to do nothing, so there is little else that would have any effect outside immediate/direct displays of public distaste about this.


There's also no chance of us ever getting another political party, that can contend with FF/FG, unless there is enough public political interest in forming it themselves - and for that, you need movements (particularly protest movements) that are politically active on the issues, that you want to use as a base for the new party.

So; we can either make the above happen (preferably sooner rather than in the next economic crisis that is coming...), or we're permanently stuck with the parties/politics we've got now; while there's enough public apathy to not even protest corruption like this, nothing changes.

There's no point complaining about who the voters put in office either, when their choice is different flavours of the same corrupt elite - need to create new political parties/movements (and there are already ample alternatives/solutions - blindingly obvious ones in the case of corruption - for dealing with the current mess).


Much of the corruption in the past may have gone on before the Internet had taken hold properly, but now that we do have the Internet, and a means of widely distributing any kind information and organizing independently, I don't see why public outrage over this stuff couldn't be spread far and wide - people should be way more easily informed about corruption and what to do about it now, compared to before the Internet was this widespread.

KyussBishop

20Cent wrote: »

Doesn't help that anyone who protests anything in this country is immediately branded a communist hippy scumbag.

I'm learning more that it's better to frame these issues as a matter of people looking to erode democracy and make business/politics work in their own interests vs those who want to restore/preserve democracy - makes rather a lot of sense, and when you get the hang of the arguments backing that view, it helps shut up the sycophants looking to play down any challenge to the status quo, both publicly/privately.

It also allows stepping beyond the usual public vs private 'divide and conquer' tactics, when the bigger issues is erosion of democracy vs preservation of democracy (nobody can credibly argue against preserving democracy).

mad muffin

The last honest man in Ireland died in 1922

KOTSC

20Cent wrote: »

Doesn't help that anyone who protests anything in this country is immediately branded a communist hippy scumbag.

Apart from that,, it doesn,t help that there is a lot of general apathy out there,, speaking from experience of a protest march I attended in Dublin before,, poor turnout as marching through the streets of Dublin on route to the dail, I took a good long hard look at most of people walking on the footpaths, I could read the body language of apathy regarding most people and people had looks on their faces as if to say what are you protesting about and lack of interest on other peoples faces.

Me?

2 people died in clashes with Police in the Ukraine today, because they weren't happy with the actions of their Government. I read this thread, got angry and am now headed over to YLYL. This is called apathy, we reek of it and people know they can take advantage of it.

woodoo

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my email is woodoo@mail.com for litigation Denis... don't go too hard on me.

steddyeddy

Banjo String wrote: »

This.

Loony left, socialist, shinner, tax evader, etc etc etc. All because you speak out against the status quo.

The same sort of people would be speaking out against anti apartheid marches, civil rights marches. People like these are what keeps things the way they are.

hedgehog2

Sentva text into Newstalk and Matt Cooper on this subject and got no response nor was it menrioned.
The man rules the print and radio media.

Phill Ewinn

hedgehog2 wrote: »

Sentva text into Newstalk and Matt Cooper on this subject and got no response nor was it menrioned.
The man rules the print and radio media.

DOB if you're reading this. Could you please put bewbs back in the papers?

K-9

kunst nugget wrote: »

A very innocuous piece about Irish Water protecting its pipe network had a very interesting comment that I think everyone should read about the history of Irish Water. It is a very maddening read…



http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-water-has-no-reports-of-thefts-1269511-Jan2014/?utm_source=shortlink

Wouldn't surprise me. Was reading a book about scandals in Ireland, had a chapter about a "controversial deal" O'Brien had with CIE:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lowry-and-obrien-face-dail-grilling-over-cie-deal-26083638.html

Another scandal that just got forgotten about.

Arthur Beesley

That was very generous of Siemens to offer to install the meters for free. I'm sure there were no strings attached.

I'm sure Siemens have never been involved in bribery scandals...

K-9

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

And Alan Dukes didn't "give" €100 million to anyone.

Well obviously, I suppose O'Brien and Site Serve don't have to give Dukes and Anglo €100 Million. The same company that got a valuable contract from Irish Water. Depends what way you look at it.

tipptom

K-9 wrote: »

Wouldn't surprise me. Was reading a book about scandals in Ireland, had a chapter about a "controversial deal" O'Brien had with CIE:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lowry-and-obrien-face-dail-grilling-over-cie-deal-26083638.html

Another scandal that just got forgotten about.

See who the chairman of the committee was!!!
More collateral from Lowrys dealing with DoB,Denis must have nearly €300M now written of between Siteserv and INM courtesy of the Irish taxpayer eventually, from his bolthole in the Algarve but he did plough some of it back in the form of Trappatoni,so be grateful you peasents.


I would say Siemiens free deal would have been anything but.probably along the lines of the free deal that Pee Flynn and Mr Redmond arranged for us with the Roche family on the M50 toll bridge

woodoo

I see Denis O'Brien's legal team have bullied broadsheet.ie into removing the article 'Faucet, We Haven't a Chance' by Shane Florish.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/01/24/that-friday-feeling-6/#comments

Jesus Wept

**** that, I'm leaving the taps running.
Water payments default en masse?

Eight Ball

And still the Irish people don't protest.

hedgehog2

Who really runs Ireland ehh
What a joke of an establishment,this country is so corrupt at all levels.

MadsL

hedgehog2 wrote: »

No minutes of meetings at Poolbeg,a fcukin university can keep minutes on expenditure of a few hundred euro surely a state agency can do thecsame unless there is something to hide.
More like minutes were kept,questions are gonna be asked lads go destroy those files.
Bank guarantee correspondence,could be a tribunal lads best burn those letters.
Its endless and so obvious to everyone but no one gives a toss.
I haved dealt with corrupt officials in Nigeria and believe me they could learn a few tricks from our elite (masters in thievery).

vicwatson wrote: »

Minutes of CRC meetings gone west awell

I'm utter unsuprised at Irish Water not keeping meeting minutes, their CEO is the same man whose planning department kept no notes of meetings with one Joe O'Reilly over the planning for the Chartered Land development at Moore Street. Despite promising an ABP Oral Hearing Inspector that they would produce the minutes, they were never forthcoming.

No names no pack drill is a John Tierney mantra.

Irish Steve

Standard procedure to shred all incoming letters, and not reply. If it's not on paper, it never existed, spent years sending letters local office of Meath County Council, never got so much as an acknowledgement, let alone a reply.

It's changed a bit now, the TD's have been brought into the scenario, and it's hard for the CC to ignore a letter from a TD, as doing so will make for a hard time for them. Still took a number of months to get a response though.

You really think IW is going to be any better, or different? The Golden Circle has it well sewn up, tighter than a duck's arse, there'll be nothing going in, and shyte coming out.

Somebody explain to me why the head of the NHS in the UK is on £250 K or there abouts, and the head of the HSE here, a MUCH smaller organisation, is deemed to be worth over €400 K. You could employ a LOT of people at the other end of the spectrum for €400K, like cleaners, or nurses, and you can bet your bottom dollar that there are plenty of other people at the top getting equally obscene sums for doing what can best be described as a mediocre job right now.

Makes no sense at all. IW will go exactly the same way, the track record is there for all to see, it's only a matter of time, unless someone high up grows a pair very urgently. Can't see that happening any time soon, the real people in power would have a conniption. Yes Prime Minister was so close to reality in terms of what is going on here on a regular basis.

RiverOfLove

Eight Ball wrote: »

And still the Irish people don't protest.

They're too busy sitting back and not giving a fcuk on Ireland's golden circle enriching themselves at our expense.

RiverOfLove

RiverOfLove wrote: »

They're too busy sitting back and not giving a fcuk on Ireland's golden circle enriching themselves at our expense.

Or we're so used to it that we know that nothing is going to change. Protests rarely achieve anything and most people aren't in a position to take a day off work so as to protest. It's sad that this country is in the state it is but as long as our elected officials are happy to line their own pockets and those of their friends then nothing is going to change. And while people will say that we should elect other people there sadly isn't a single party that's worthy of our votes.

D Trent

kunst nugget wrote: »

A very innocuous piece about Irish Water protecting its pipe network had a very interesting comment that I think everyone should read about the history of Irish Water. It is a very maddening read…



http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-water-has-no-reports-of-thefts-1269511-Jan2014/?utm_source=shortlink

Fast forward 365 days and an identical summary will be that of Ireland's new postcode system

kumate_champ07

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NwRWANiR6TYJ:www.broadsheet.ie/2014/01/22/faucet-we-havent-a-chance/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie&client=firefox-a

kumate_champ07

if its shared as a screenshot on twitter there is no way everyone can be sued?

taytothief

Eight Ball wrote: »

And still the Irish people don't protest.

And when some do...they're the bad guys.

taytothief

taytothief wrote: »

And when some do...they're the bad guys.

The only time that protestors are seen as the bad guy is when they engage in stupid and pointless behaviour. The occupy groups got a lot of criticism from most people, not because they chose to protest but rather because they didn't have any goals and were often spouting contradictory opinions and ideals. They were protesting simply to be seen. The list of demands differed from one camp to the next and often from one member to the next within a camp.

taytothief

Deleted User wrote: »

The only time that protestors are seen as the bad guy is when they engage in stupid and pointless behaviour. The occupy groups got a lot of criticism from most people, not because they chose to protest but rather because they didn't have any goals and were often spouting contradictory opinions and ideals. They were protesting simply to be seen. The list of demands differed from one camp to the next and often from one member to the next within a camp.

Yeah, what a bunch of idiots.

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

The only time that protestors are seen as the bad guy is when they engage in stupid and pointless behaviour. The occupy groups got a lot of criticism from most people, not because they chose to protest but rather because they didn't have any goals and were often spouting contradictory opinions and ideals. They were protesting simply to be seen. The list of demands differed from one camp to the next and often from one member to the next within a camp.

The other problem with Irish protest everyone seems more interested in the protester and their motivations rather than the issue. I agree with what he's saying but his hair is long and he has an ear ring or some such nonsense.

renegademaster

20Cent wrote: »

The other problem with Irish protest everyone seems more interested in the protester and their motivations rather than the issueS. I agree with what he's saying but his hair is long and he has an ear ring or some such nonsense.

Occupy wanted everything tackled, not just one or 2 issues, most people wanted the movement to focus on one thing or another but that just exposes another mental streak in the normal joe soap, protest here at set time everyone starts suggesting better locations and giving out they couldn't go due to "having a job" to do instead, change $hit up, different location and time to suit ore people you'll see the same people pretty much suggesting "better" places to protest and again times never suited them, again!!

Hermy

Deleted User wrote: »

And while people will say that we should elect other people there sadly isn't a single party that's worthy of our votes.

In my humble, who you vote for is only part of it.
Holding whoever gets into power to account is what really matters.
People who get elected to Dáil Éireann need to know that if they don't do what they were elected to do that they will not receive support next time around.
Sadly in this country politicians are supported like football teams ie through good times and bad.
Just look at how Ahern's approval ratings went up when he was before the tribunals and they began to reveal his past.
Or Beverly Flynn or Lowery walking straight back into politics despite their 'difficulties'.
As long as the electorate refuse to hold their elected representatives to the highest standards then the farce will continue.

Irish Steve

Hermy wrote: »

In my humble, who you vote for is only part of it.
Holding whoever gets into power to account is what really matters.

And how are we supposed to do that, the mechanism to to do so does not exist at present.

People who get elected to Dáil Éireann need to know that if they don't do what they were elected to do that they will not receive support next time around.

That happens now, and those same people well fixed it, someone is thrown out on their ear, and they get "special severance allowances" to reduce the pain, and in some cases, can get their platinum plated pension earlier than any other worker in the country. That doesn't sound much like being made to account, that looks to me like an elite that's been able to make the system work so well for them, they can literally and financially afford to stick 2 fingers up to the electorate, which they have done very successfully over the last few years.

Sadly in this country politicians are supported like football teams ie through good times and bad.
Just look at how Ahern's approval ratings went up when he was before the tribunals and they began to reveal his past.
Or Beverly Flynn or Lowery walking straight back into politics despite their 'difficulties'.
As long as the electorate refuse to hold their elected representatives to the highest standards then the farce will continue.

Exactly. So why is there no law or statute that bans people convicted of certain offences from standing for or continuing to hold public or state office?

Why can't we have a say on how much they are paid by having an "approve" "disapprove" option at an election?

Why can't we have a means to force a local or national referendum on an issue if enough people call for it?

Why can't we have a "none of the above" option on a ballot so that we can absolutely express our disgust and non approval of all of the candidates. That option would need to be worked out very carefully, but it could be made to work if it was structured correctly

People are afraid to spoil their vote paper, because of the fear that an unrepresentative or unpopular party will get elected, if there was a constitutional method that would force the existing crowd to make real changes, then maybe the future would change.

At the moment, the system is loaded in favour of the system, and we are now seeing the worst manifestations of the greed and corruption that has come into the system as a result of the influence of the Golden Circle.

It is only when the power of that circle is broken, and the politicians AND high officials of State and Semi State bodies are no longer untouchable, we will then see a change in the political climate and direction of the country. Making that happen is not going to be easy, the controlling influences are well embedded and well prepared to fight off the force of change.

taytothief

taytothief wrote: »

Yeah, what a bunch of idiots.

They were actually. They lacked a unified front and as such no one was quite sure what they wanted. I often heard conflicting demands and ideologies when I stopped by the Galway camp. If they really wanted to change anything they would have came together as one and set down a set of aims and goals which all groups would work toward

20Cent wrote: »

The other problem with Irish protest everyone seems more interested in the protester and their motivations rather than the issue. I agree with what he's saying but his hair is long and he has an ear ring or some such nonsense.

The problem with many Irish protests is that the people spouting nonsense generally don't know what they want. The occupy movement is the perfect example of this. If they had good ideas and speakers who didn't repeatedly resort to shouting and threats of violence then they could have achieved something.

Hermy wrote: »

In my humble, who you vote for is only part of it.
Holding whoever gets into power to account is what really matters.
People who get elected to Dáil Éireann need to know that if they don't do what they were elected to do that they will not receive support next time around.
Sadly in this country politicians are supported like football teams ie through good times and bad.
Just look at how Ahern's approval ratings went up when he was before the tribunals and they began to reveal his past.
Or Beverly Flynn or Lowery walking straight back into politics despite their 'difficulties'.
As long as the electorate refuse to hold their elected representatives to the highest standards then the farce will continue.

the problem is that people are happy to vote for the same people time after time. Parish pump politics is what Irish politics is all about and sadly the Healy Rays will continue to get voted in as long as they keep promising to look after their own

j2dab

This article runs through the siteserv deal when it happened

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/ten-things-to-know-about-the-denis-obriensiteserv-transaction/

20Cent

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The problem with many Irish protests is that the people spouting nonsense generally don't know what they want. The occupy movement is the perfect example of this. If they had good ideas and speakers who didn't repeatedly resort to shouting and threats of violence then they could have achieved something.

What nonsense? That bondholders should have paid their own losses ? This is accepted by pretty much everyone now even the imf the bundestag and the ecb.

Repeated threats of violence? Wtf are u on about it was totally peaceful.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

What nonsense? That bondholders should have paid their own losses ? This is accepted by pretty much everyone now even the imf the bundestag and the ecb.

Repeated threats of violence? Wtf are u on about it was totally peaceful.

No one said they shouldn't have but occupy weren't about that. They were about a series of unrelated and personal beliefs that often contradicted one another.

And yes many of the camps had members who were incrediably aggressive and would routinely threaten people who didn't agree with them. Myself and many others experienced such threats at the Galway camp

tipptom

j2dab wrote: »

This article runs through the siteserv deal when it happened

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/ten-things-to-know-about-the-denis-obriensiteserv-transaction/

How can a company that is up to its neck in debts through greed for snapping up companies in the Celtic Tiger years with borrowed money be allowed to hand their shareholders 5 million of taxpayers money for that company in any fair society.


Arthur Cox representing both sides in this deal and we have to be satisfied with they saying that they put stuff in place so there would be no conflict of interest.
Dennis o Brien demanded that Arthur Cox represent him as well as Siteserv,any fair society would demand that they could not represent both sides and there can be no doubts then about conflict of interest then.

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A water meter being installed at Whitehall, Dublin during the week..