National Hurling League 2014

zetecescort

10 fantastic goals in Nowlan Park but most importantly both goalkeepers escape with their testicles intact. Point blank shots from play just as dangerous as any penalty or 21m free

mickmackey1

zetecescort wrote: »

10 fantastic goals in Nowlan Park but most importantly both goalkeepers escape with their testicles intact.

They're wearing balls protectors if they've any sense

Connorzee

And their throats, which was most worrying for Davy

deisedude

Any league highlights on the gaa just play app? Last highlights appearing on the app for me is from a few months ago

copacetic

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Dublin starting very well indeed....1-06 v 0-02

Heh, you must have been watching deferred game. Just as well I dint give actual result in post above yours!

ShamoBuc

copacetic wrote: »

Heh, you must have been watching deferred game. Just as well I dint give actual result in post above yours!

....I enjoy the deferred games not knowing the result:D

HillFarmer

deisedude wrote: »

Any league highlights on the gaa just play app? Last highlights appearing on the app for me is from a few months ago

Same here anyone know if the just play app will be updated?

Fireball07

Looks like 1A will be as tight as last year, the teams who have 3 games at home will have a huge advantage, and you might expect the 3 of them to make the quarter-finals. Toss-up between the other 3 for the relegation play-off really. This kind of intensity and meaningful games in spring is great for the gametime... while not every team is at full-strength, the quality is high. And supporters want to see some of the fringe players given chances during the league as well as good hurling.



In 1B... advantage is currently with Limerick, but if they could run up that kind of score with a very weak forward line, what will Cork do to Antrim if they go out all guns blazing? I know Cork were disappointed with their margin of victory over Laois, but Laois are really not a bad side at all- have some good players, have a good coaching setup and they have a plan. Taking into account the awful conditions, 7 points isn't too bad... it may have been more if it had been on a dry pitch.

Wexford have set the early pace, but you'd expect them to beat Antrim/Offaly. Did they beat them by enough to really lay down a marker? They're shaping up into a good team- starting to build a spine and have a few excellent young hurlers- McGovern, Morris, Chin, O'Keeffe, O'Hanlon...... are they good enough to beat Limerick/Cork? Probably not, but if Limerick send out a weakened team against them, they'll certainly fancy their chances. And I think Cork have to go down to Wexford Park? Never an easy place to go.





Who do people reckon will top the league phase of 1A?
Who do they think will get promoted?
And do they think any of the 1B sides will cause a shock against the 1A sides in the quarter-finals? Looking at the quality of hurling, you wouldn't think so, but last year, Dublin and Limerick played out a really poor 1B final, yet went on to win their provincial championships, deservingly too.

Mal-Adjusted

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Fireball07 wrote: »

Who do people reckon will top the league phase of 1A?

Probably the usual suspects, Kilkenny or Tipp

Who do they think will get promoted?

1B is so skewered it's hardly worth answering (Cork). I'd love to see Kerry promoted from 2A but reacon Carlow will have too much for them. 2B is anyone's guess. Donegal are on top of 3A and relativley high scoring so have a good shout. 3B hasn't even started yet.

And do they think any of the 1B sides will cause a shock against the 1A sides in the quarter-finals?

I don't know about causing a "shock", as Offaly and especially Wexford aren't too far off the pace

PTH2009

i can see Kilkenny, Dublin, Tipperary and Clare getting through to the quarter finals. Waterford could come close but scoring power mite go against us, Galway could do anything tbh and mite surprise people.

Have a feeling the league final will be Tipp vs Kilkenny. Would love to see Waterford win the league or get to the final but not this year im afraid to say

Fireball07

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Who do people reckon will top the league phase of 1A?

Probably the usual suspects, Kilkenny or Tipp

Who do they think will get promoted?

1B is so skewered it's hardly worth answering (Cork). I'd love to see Kerry promoted from 2A but reacon Carlow will have too much for them. 2B is anyone's guess. Donegal are on top of 3A and relativley high scoring so have a good shout. 3B hasn't even started yet.

And do they think any of the 1B sides will cause a shock against the 1A sides in the quarter-finals?

I don't know about causing a "shock", as Offaly and especially Wexford aren't too far off the pace

You think Cork will outscore Limerick's tally against Antrim? It's quite possible but I wouldn't say it was a certainty.



And... Offaly are far off the pace from their displays so far. I would be surprised if they even made the quarter-finals, and if they managed to beat KK/Tipp/Clare/Dublin in a league quarter-final, I would be amazed.

Wexford are improving all the time, but again, they're not at that level yet.


I was more talking about Limerick and Cork tbh, while they mightn't be far behind those teams, possibly even ahead of some... it can be hard to just raise your game after 5 or 6 weeks of hurling at a much lower intensity and then thrown in against someone playing at that level for a while. Look at Dublin last year, league final wasn't at a high tempo, none of the games were really... got blown out of the water by Tipp. They were fine by the Championship but the continuous top quality hurling helps the 1A sides at this time of year.

Fireball07

Oh, and I did teams of the weekend for both division, always think they're a nice thing to have as a reminder as to how players did at certain periods of the season- particularly players in less fashionable positions... i.e. not forwards.


Anyway, do people have any thoughts/opinions? Was very hard to pick 15 this week, some very very close calls... I mean the form of some of the forward players was just top class.

http://www.livegaelic.com/news/allianz-hl-division-1a-team-weekend-round-2/


Every county in Division 1B has a representative in the team for that division; Laois dominating the defensive positions again, as they caused Cork serious problems...


http://www.livegaelic.com/news/allianz-hl-division-1b-team-weekend-round-2/

PTH2009

so Clare are the only team deff through to the Quarter finals.

Where do all the other teams stand.

I think it will be Waterford vs Tipp in the Relagation playoff

Mal-Adjusted

PTH2009 wrote: »

so Clare are the only team deff through to the Quarter finals.

Where do all the other teams stand.

I think it will be Waterford vs Tipp in the Relagation playoff

Galway will have to beat Clare in their next match to stay safe. tough ask but anything could happen on the day

Morte

PTH2009 wrote: »

so Clare are the only team deff through to the Quarter finals.

Where do all the other teams stand.

I think it will be Waterford vs Tipp in the Relagation playoff

Copying from our thread this is my take on Waterford's situation:

If we win we stay up.

If we draw we stay up unless both Galway and Dublin both get a positive result (win or draw).

If we lose, Galway lose and Dublin win we would stay up by beating Galway on head to head. If Tip win we won't overhaul Galway on scoring difference unless they lose to Clare by 20 or so, so we can discount that.

If we lose and Tip win we could sneak up into fourth. This would require us to lose by less than Dublin but for the combined margin of victory in both games to be 5 or less e.g. we lose by 2 and Dublin lose by 3. It's a very narrow window but not an outlandish outcome.

I stand to be corrected and I wouldn't fancy working my way through every team's chances.

It might be wishful thinking but my best guess would be Clare-Kilkenny-Dublin wins which would see Galway and Tip in the playoff and Waterford escape by the skin of our teeth. Could be anything though.

LFC_Mad

Hopefully Tipp can push on now after a poor start to the league and beat Cork in Thurles this weekend.

ShamoBuc

LFC_Mad wrote: »

Hopefully Tipp can push on now after a poor start to the league and beat Cork in Thurles this weekend.

Hopefully they won't;)...Welcome to Boards:):)

Hanalei

Antrim defeat Offaly in the relegation play-off!

However Offaly still not relegated due to changes made to the format last year designed to protect and ring fence the top 12 in Division 1. Offaly will now play the winners of the Div 2 final between Carlow and Kerry, automatic promotion no longer on offer to the division 2 champions means the winners have to win their way up by defeating Offaly.

Between removing automatic relegation/promotion, and new quarter final structure, the GAA ruined an excellent league format that was a great success in 2012 and 2013.

Hammer Archer

Hanalei wrote: »

Antrim defeat Offaly in the relegation play-off!

However Offaly still not relegated due to changes made to the format last year designed to protect and ring fence the top 12 in Division 1. Offaly will now play the winners of the Div 2 final between Carlow and Kerry, automatic promotion no longer on offer to the division 2 champions means the winners have to win their way up by defeating Offaly.

Between removing automatic relegation/promotion, and new quarter final structure, the GAA ruined an excellent league format that was a great success in 2012 and 2013.

Find it absolutely ridiculous alright. Obviously, Offaly aren't good enough to play in division 1B next season, yet they've yet another chance to do just that. I personally hope Carlow/Kerry beat them.
Also find it funny that the division 1 champions could conceivably still be considered not good enough for division 1A.

The inconsistencies between divisions is ridiculous. Kildare and Longford finished bottom of 2A and 3A respectively and were automatically relegated with no second chance. Yet Armagh finished bottom of 2b but have a playoff against Fingal to determine who plays in 3A next season.

n32

LFC_Mad wrote: »

Hopefully Tipp can push on now after a poor start to the league and beat Cork in Thurles this weekend.

Jaysus, an LFC and Tipp supporter ! what an awful combination!

dastardly00

Such a pity that the highlights show on RTE tonight will only be one hour long, and that it will be shared with football highlights as well.

They could easily show two or three hours of hurling highlights based on today's matches. Even if they just had it on the RTE player, that would suffice.

n32

dastardly00 wrote: »

Such a pity that the highlights show on RTE tonight will only be one hour long, and that it will be shared with football highlights as well.

They could easily show two or three hours of hurling highlights based on today's matches. Even if they just had it on the RTE player, that would suffice.

The coverage is absolutely shocking for league and championship. There are counties in Ireland that never see their team on TV. I know the GAA prefer people to go to games instead of watching them on TV but in most counties there were county league games today so a big chunk of people had club games and cant get to the county game. Football and hurling are still an untapped market. What the GAA and RTE regard as promotion/marketing is pathetic. Having 4 hurling QFs in direct opposition to the NFL today is madness. Cork hurlers have no game now for nearly 2 months yet they played today a half hour after the footballers! A lot of people would have gone to both games if they could yet the GAA schedule them on the same day in 2 different venues!!!

jack o shea

as i said in another thread the sooner sky sports come in and fcuk rte out of the picture the better.

Kerrydude1981

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Find it absolutely ridiculous alright. Obviously, Offaly aren't good enough to play in division 1B next season, yet they've yet another chance to do just that. I personally hope Carlow/Kerry beat them.
Also find it funny that the division 1 champions could conceivably still be considered not good enough for division 1A.

The inconsistencies between divisions is ridiculous. Kildare and Longford finished bottom of 2A and 3A respectively and were automatically relegated with no second chance. Yet Armagh finished bottom of 2b but have a playoff against Fingal to determine who plays in 3A next season.

What about Antrim finishing the league stage on 0 points and getting another chance today to stay up,Offaly beat them last week in the last round,that should have been that,Antrim down,Kerry/Carlow up.

Lucena

jack o shea wrote: »

as i said in another thread the sooner sky sports come in and fcuk rte out of the picture the better.

So people have to pay for a Sky Sports package to see any of the matches?

Lucena

Hanalei wrote: »

Antrim defeat Offaly in the relegation play-off!

However Offaly still not relegated due to changes made to the format last year designed to protect and ring fence the top 12 in Division 1. Offaly will now play the winners of the Div 2 final between Carlow and Kerry, automatic promotion no longer on offer to the division 2 champions means the winners have to win their way up by defeating Offaly.

Between removing automatic relegation/promotion, and new quarter final structure, the GAA ruined an excellent league format that was a great success in 2012 and 2013.

I'm from Offaly, but I have to agree with you. If you make it harder for the non-traditional hurling counties to progress, not only is it unfair, but it won't do a whole lot for the promotion of hurling in those counties. I'm sure seeing Kerry playing the big boys in 1B would be a big boost for the sport in Kerry, if it happens.

Mal-Adjusted

I agree, it gives an unfair advantage to the supposedly relegated team and just shows that the GAA really have no interest in growing Hurling and only really care about the big teams (look at the fiasco that nearly happened when Cork were relegated).

There is also no consistency between divisions. Why was there automatic promotion for the 1B winner but not for the 2A winner? Why does the relegation loser from 1B have another chance to stay up against the winner of 2A while the relegation loser from 1A does not?

Any sports league where there exists a possibility to have no promotion/relegation is flawed. Kerry have a 100% record in 2A. They could win their division final against Carlow and still not see promotion.

In other news, Clare got out by the skin of their teeth yesterday!

laois gael

You have to feel for Carlow and Kerry terrible that the winner won't get Promotion because Offaly will rise to the occasion and do enough to stay up.Stupid system.

Very Proud of Laois Hurling yesterday they really battled with 14 men and with a bit of Luck could have been the All-Ireland champs in what was a really intense good game of Hurling!

keeponhurling

Looks like a double-header in the Gaelic Grounds on April 20th, should get a good crowd what with the holiday as well.

dastardly00

laois gael wrote: »

..... and with a bit of Luck could have been the All-Ireland champs in what was a really intense good game of Hurling!

You're getting a bit ahead of yourself!

EIRE1922

keeponhurling wrote: »

Looks like a double-header in the Gaelic Grounds on April 20th, should get a good crowd what with the holiday as well.

Rubbish. Those games should be held in Thurles. The best surface and the best town atmosphere before a match!

What a joke to hold them in Limerick!

EIRE1922

Lucena wrote: »

So people have to pay for a Sky Sports package to see any of the matches?

The G.A.A. big wigs are selling out to Sky!

It will not be long before it will be 'Pay-per-view' for certain big games even if you are already subscribed to Sky. Do not think for one minute that the G.A.A. bosses will not sell any of the big Provincial or All-Ireland Finals to Sky in the next 5 to 10 years. They will! The top brass of the G.A.A. are mad for money. They would sell their souls or even their own children for money!

It does not benefit grass roots. Utterbullsh#t. It will actually harm the game in the long term, as most people who cannot efford Sky Sports, their children will stop wanting to play hurling and gaelic football if they cannot see it live on their own tv.

Sky in Ireland is a total rip-off compared to prices in the U.K and other countries!

All G.A.A. most be free to air! It is a part of our heritage and culture! It is not for SALE!

Lucena

EIRE1922 wrote: »

The G.A.A. big wigs are selling out to Sky!

Have any info (sources) on that?

I know the GAA would lose a lot of good will if they did that. A lot of money would dry up at local level, as fewer people would want to burst themselves fundraising for the local GAA seeing as it's putting money in Sky's pockets, and a lot of people wouldn't donate to local fundraising, seeing as the GAA would be getting all that money from Sky.

Honestly can't see it happening, and hope it doesn't.

Hanalei

Lucena wrote: »

Have any info (sources) on that?

I know the GAA would lose a lot of good will if they did that. A lot of money would dry up at local level, as fewer people would want to burst themselves fundraising for the local GAA seeing as it's putting money in Sky's pockets, and a lot of people wouldn't donate to local fundraising, seeing as the GAA would be getting all that money from Sky.

Honestly can't see it happening, and hope it doesn't.

How exactly? Surely local fundraising stays local? How would me going to a pub quiz run by my club to generate funds end up putting money in Sky's pockets?

I'd imagine the only way Sky will benefit financially is from new subscriptions and advertising revenue.

Can't really agree with the views expressed in your post. I think there will always be local support for clubs, just because people are disillusioned with a decision made by GAA HQ doesn't mean they are going to take that disillusionment out on their club. That wouldn't really make sense.

EIRE1922

Lucena wrote: »

Have any info (sources) on that?

I know the GAA would lose a lot of good will if they did that. A lot of money would dry up at local level, as fewer people would want to burst themselves fundraising for the local GAA seeing as it's putting money in Sky's pockets, and a lot of people wouldn't donate to local fundraising, seeing as the GAA would be getting all that money from Sky.

Honestly can't see it happening, and hope it doesn't.

It is happening I am afraid! Sky are buying a single package (first on a trial basis) that was on offer to TV3 for last year. Contracts are to be signed before the championship starts. It is possible either parties may withdraw yet, otherwise it seems to be getting the green light.

By right a Motion should have been put to Congress!

I agree, I hope it does not happen!

EIRE1922

Hanalei wrote: »

How exactly? Surely local fundraising stays local? How would me going to a pub quiz run by my club to generate funds end up putting money in Sky's pockets?

I'd imagine the only way Sky will benefit financially is from new subscriptions and advertising revenue.

Can't really agree with the views expressed in your post. I think there will always be local support for clubs, just because people are disillusioned with a decision made by GAA HQ doesn't mean they are going to take that disillusionment out on their club. That wouldn't really make sense.

Interest will disppear if you are relying on local support for local GAA only. The Intercounty scene is the bigger picture. It is what draws the bigger interest, crowds and support! If you lose that you will lose interest at local level too!

The deal is done today! The GAA sold out for the Queen's shilling and Amercian dollar!

Hammer Archer

Guys, there's a thread open for discussion about Sky here.
Please keep this thread for discussion about the National Hurling League.