SIRO - ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home

Nollog · 14-05-2017 1:23pm

Liamario wrote: »

Any idea what's going to happen to those blocked ducts. I'm guessing they're going to continue doing the ones they can do and then come back and do what they need to do with the homes they couldn't' easily get access to.

Probably.

They don't seem keen to come back to my place anyway.

pm. · 14-05-2017 11:58pm

/\/ollog wrote: »

Probably.

They don't seem keen to come back to my place anyway.

Interesting they tried to install to my house Thursday but the duct was blocked... Could take up to a month for another crew to come out ðŸ˜•

godskitchen · 15-05-2017 8:19am

Kn digging on the Moneen Road in Castlebar last week in behalf of Siro.

Any update on this @WestnetPaul, the digging was very close to your building...

irishgeo · 15-05-2017 8:51am

godskitchen wrote: »

Kn digging on the Moneen Road in Castlebar last week in behalf of Siro.

Any update on this @WestnetPaul, the digging was very close to your building...

Spotted that. The lack of any action out the Westport Road has me worried?

Mickeroo · 15-05-2017 9:22am

Yeah, I haven't seen anything on the newport road either.

godskitchen · 15-05-2017 9:44am

irishgeo wrote: »

Spotted that. The lack of any action out the Westport Road has me worried?

I did see one of the contractors, can't remember which one, it wasn't kn, working on the westport road about 6 weeks ago.

It was at the very top of the road just before the bend leading to the straight stretch past the used car place/petrol station.

They had no "working on behalf of" signs up so can't be sure who they were working for

Mickeroo · 15-05-2017 9:51am

I wonder is it only going to be available in a small section of the town?

Westnet: Paul · 15-05-2017 9:52am

godskitchen wrote: »

Kn digging on the Moneen Road in Castlebar last week in behalf of Siro.

Any update on this @WestnetPaul, the digging was very close to your building...

Yes, it's all part of the groundwork SIRO need to do to be able to offer service in Castlebar (and, by extension, Westport). It's also helping to facilitate the interconnection to our network.

I still can't give a firm date, but last week's digging was an important step in the process, so we're getting closer all the time.

irishgeo · 15-05-2017 11:28am

Mickeroo wrote: »

I wonder is it only going to be available in a small section of the town?

That's the fear and the rest will be added in bit parts.

Shapey Fiend · 15-05-2017 7:09pm

KN strung up fibre past my rented house outside Adare and did work on the cabinet nearby a couple of months ago. It's a country road with one off houses. Will I get offered an upgrade on my Vodafone adsl package when it's ready or should I apply?

The Cush · 15-05-2017 7:18pm

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

KN strung up fibre past my rented house outside Adare and did work on the cabinet nearby a couple of months ago. It's a country road with one off houses. Will I get offered an upgrade on my Vodafone adsl package when it's ready or should I apply?

On which poles did they put the fibre on, ESB or telephone?
Vodafone doesn't use the eir fibre to deliver FTTH, they are part of a joint venture with the ESB called Siro, who are rolling out their own wholesale FTTH network.

ctlsleh · 15-05-2017 7:25pm

KN are rolling out in my development tomorrow, ESB have sent notice that we will have an Electricity outage. Met the guys down the road and they confirmed.

What id like to understand is how long it takes from when they rollout the fiber in the ducts, to when they make the service orderable and then how long it takes them to actually come and pull the fiber into the house/meter-box from the kerb?

If my understanding is correct KN rollout in the ducts, then Actavo come along later spice it and pull it into the homes that sign up.......anyone experience the times involved ?

Appreciated......

ro23 · 15-05-2017 9:32pm

In Bray there's vans with the brand name Axione, with 'working on behalf of Siro' logos on them. According to articles online they had previously expressed an interest in the NPB tender themselves not working with Siro.

Shapey Fiend · 16-05-2017 6:45am

The Cush wrote: »

On which poles did they put the fibre on, ESB or telephone?
Vodafone doesn't use the eir fibre to deliver FTTH, they are part of a joint venture with the ESB called Siro, who are rolling out their own wholesale FTTH network.

It's on the ESB network.

The Cush · 16-05-2017 8:43am

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

KN strung up fibre past my rented house outside Adare and did work on the cabinet nearby a couple of months ago.

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

It's on the ESB network.

According to their map SIRO isn't planned for the Adare area yet, Limerick city would be nearest rollout to you planned at this time. They are concentrating on urban areas first and may only rollout their network to rural areas if they win one of the NBP contracts.

Can you post a pic of the fibre on the pole.

Shapey Fiend · 16-05-2017 9:22pm

The Cush wrote: »

According to their map SIRO isn't planned for the Adare area yet, Limerick city would be nearest rollout to you planned at this time. They are concentrating on urban areas first and may only rollout their network to rural areas if they win one of the NBP contracts.

Can you post a pic of the fibre on the pole.

I'm a derp it's on the telegraph poles.

The Cush · 16-05-2017 9:36pm

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

I'm a derp it's on the telegraph poles.

Back to the original answer then; Vodafone doesn't use the eir fibre to deliver FTTH, ... if/when it becomes available at your location move to a provider that will supply FTTH over open-eir's wholesale network.

Is the rented property part of the 300,000 open-eir commercial rollout, see the NBP map here and enter the eircode for the property - http://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx

godskitchen · 17-05-2017 2:21pm

Kn still on the Moneen Road I castlebar, moving up towards Hurst/Stanley Jackson's place

captain_boycott · 17-05-2017 9:46pm

godskitchen wrote: »

Kn still on the Moneen Road I castlebar, moving up towards Hurst/Stanley Jackson's place

took them 2 weeks to get past Cedar House. At that rate they should get to the estates around Kilkenny cross by Christmas (2018):rolleyes:

irishgeo · 17-05-2017 10:32pm

captain_boycott wrote: »

took them 2 weeks to get past Cedar House. At that rate they should get to the estates around Kilkenny cross by Christmas (2018):rolleyes:

They missed their pre Christmas launch by a long way. It's extremely slow progress.

Although the press release does not actually say what December.

http://siro.ie/enda-kenny-announces-news-castlebar/

Westnet: Paul · 17-05-2017 10:40pm

captain_boycott wrote: »

took them 2 weeks to get past Cedar House. At that rate they should get to the estates around Kilkenny cross by Christmas (2018):rolleyes:

Cedar House was complicated core network stuff, and some of it was for us, not SIRO. They'll be using existing ESB ducting for most of it, but that wasn't an option at Cedar House.

I really don't think it will be too much longer before the first homes in Castlebar get connected, and Westport shouldn't be too far behind.

godskitchen · 18-05-2017 8:47am

Westnet: Paul wrote: »

Cedar House was complicated core network stuff, and some of it was for us, not SIRO. They'll be using existing ESB ducting for most of it, but that wasn't an option at Cedar House.

I really don't think it will be too much longer before the first homes in Castlebar get connected, and Westport shouldn't be too far behind.

Thanks Paul.

How will the whole thing work in terms of an "exchange"? Where will all this fibre terminate?

Will westnet have their own equipment some where?

ED E · 18-05-2017 5:02pm

godskitchen wrote: »

Thanks Paul.

How will the whole thing work in terms of an "exchange"? Where will all this fibre terminate?

Will westnet have their own equipment some where?

Paul will have the details but SIRO isnt based on the old POTS network so doesnt need the concept of exchanges, but may overlay the substations in some areas.

End users - SIRO Street Cabs - SIRO POP - Operator POPs.

Westnets equipment as a retail operator wouldnt be anything to do with the GPON access gear, more racks of RAS/AAAA/Routing/Caching servers in their POP.

*waits for paul to shoot me down*

godskitchen · 18-05-2017 5:49pm

ED E wrote: »

Paul will have the details but SIRO isnt based on the old POTS network so doesnt need the concept of exchanges, but may overlay the substations in some areas.

End users - SIRO Street Cabs - SIRO POP - Operator POPs.

Westnets equipment as a retail operator wouldnt be anything to do with the GPON access gear, more racks of RAS/AAAA/Routing/Caching servers in their POP.

*waits for paul to shoot me down*

Thanks. I know it's not set up with exchanges but the fibre has to terminate at a central point, at that point do westnet or any other isp have the customer connector their equipment and use their own onward trunk? Or is it siro all the way to inex?

ED E · 18-05-2017 6:15pm

It would be SIRO as far as the operator handoff, similarly to the other wholesale operators (BT, OE).

For example a Vodafone DSL subscriber in Dingle say would run over the OpenEir access and core as far as Limerick where it would handover into the Vodafone network which then peers at places such as INEX, CIX etc.

naughto · 18-05-2017 8:33pm

Are the virgin media lads jin castlebar ust doing fibre to the cabnit?

godskitchen · 18-05-2017 9:20pm

naughto wrote: »

Are the virgin media lads jin castlebar ust doing fibre to the cabnit?

Fibre to the building, then a coax converter

Westnet: Paul · 18-05-2017 11:27pm

godskitchen wrote: »

How will the whole thing work in terms of an "exchange"? Where will all this fibre terminate?

Will westnet have their own equipment some where?

We already do. Most operators have their core network in a data centre (or multiple data centres) in Dublin, but ours is in Castlebar. We also have equipment in Dublin, but just for peering.

SIRO will hand off customer traffic to us in Castlebar. In simple terms, we'll have a fibre connection from their network to ours.

ED E wrote: »

Paul will have the details but SIRO isnt based on the old POTS network so doesnt need the concept of exchanges, but may overlay the substations in some areas.

End users - SIRO Street Cabs - SIRO POP - Operator POPs.

Westnets equipment as a retail operator wouldnt be anything to do with the GPON access gear, more racks of RAS/AAAA/Routing/Caching servers in their POP.

*waits for paul to shoot me down*

That's about right.

godskitchen · 19-05-2017 10:00am

Westnet: Paul wrote: »

We already do. Most operators have their core network in a data centre (or multiple data centres) in Dublin, but ours is in Castlebar. We also have equipment in Dublin, but just for peering.

SIRO will hand off customer traffic to us in Castlebar. In simple terms, we'll have a fibre connection from their network to ours.

That's about right.

Thanks Paul. In that case, would it be possible to link a business with 2 premises over fibre with siro for a vpn? Assuming their premises are siro fed and they are westnet customers.

Westnet: Paul · 19-05-2017 2:49pm

godskitchen wrote: »

Thanks Paul. In that case, would it be possible to link a business with 2 premises over fibre with siro for a vpn? Assuming their premises are siro fed and they are westnet customers.

Well, I guess the first thing to say is that it's possible to connect any two premises with a VPN. They don't have to be on the same ISP's network.

That said, if you wanted to connect to premises in Mayo together, I think we're better placed than most to do that for you, precisely because our core network is in Castlebar. If SIRO were handing off to us in Dublin (if, for example, we were connecting to them through an enet aggregation deal rather than connecting directly) then the connection between your premises would take this route:

premises 1 <---> SIRO Castlebar <---> Dublin <---> SIRO Castlebar <---> premises 2

whereas with our topology it's:

premises 1 <---> Westnet Castlebar <---> premises 2

It's not a dramatic difference, but it makes sense to keep traffic as local as possible, and you should see LAN-like performance between two fibre-connected premises in the same town.

Also: if for any reason one of the premises can't get SIRO fibre but can get open eir fibre (or even open eir VDSL, if all else fails) it works exactly the same way.

SIRO - ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home

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