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SIRO - ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home
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bloodyhawk wrote: »"Early in the new year" is that so? Oh Cavan you lucky bastards. I wonder when will Athlone co. Westmeath go live
BTW its also interesting how he mentions download/upload speeds of 200. Wasn't it the plan to bring 1gbps connection? Not that i'm complaining
Not yet, so few consumers have the PC power to pull data at gigabit speeds yet. 200/200 is a very good start.0 -
fergus1001 wrote: »
Rural broadband rural broadband Rural broadband rural broadband Rural broadband rural broadband
Retro Broadband.
They tell me nothing can be done to improve this, it is the best the line can deliver. Now I just have to wait four more years. Yippee
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bloodyhawk wrote: »"Early in the new year" is that so? Oh Cavan you lucky bastards. I wonder when will Athlone co. Westmeath go live
BTW its also interesting how he mentions download/upload speeds of 200. Wasn't it the plan to bring 1gbps connection? Not that i'm complaining
Well, in fairness they're hardly going to launch at the max, are they?0 -
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fergus1001 wrote: »Rural Ireland will be looked after in phase 3 with wireless with fibre as the backbone
Rural broadband rural broadband Rural broadband rural broadband Rural broadband rural broadband
Sigh, as it is mentioned by the CEO in the piece, I will allow it, but strictly within the limits of this project.
And Fergus, you are wondering dangerously close to ignoring a mods instructions, which normally results in a ban.
So lots of exciting and interesting information.
Confirmed that phase 1 will target 500,000 homes in towns with more then 4000 premises. Project will cost 450 million. It will involve running a kevlar cable containing 90 fibres along the medium voltage electric network. They will use both poles and underground ducts to get into peoples homes. He said that the kevlar cable will be more robust then existing (Eircom) copper network and thus better able to handle bad weather.
He also mentioned speeds starting at 200mb/s up and down. (I suspect it will quickly do gigabit fibre, you don't want to overpromise at the start, that is something a politician would do, rather then an engineering lead company, see below).
Project expected to start later this year, with the first homes going live in Cavan start of next year.
ESB/Vodafone will be managing the network and they will resell accees to the network to other companies. So for instance, Eircom, UPC, Sky, Magnet, etc. could use it to sell their products to people, similar way to Vodafone, Magnet, Sky, etc. currently use and resell Eircoms ADSL/VDSL network as bitstream customers.
I wonder will Eircom go for this or will they instead demand to use the ESB's poles to run their own fibre network into peoples homes?
On the one hand, network level competition is very good and healthy (see UPC versus Eircom VDSL for example), but on the other hand it wastes money duplicating the network. Money that might be better spent getting BB to rural parts.
He also mentioned that there maybe a Phase 2, where they target another 500,000 homes in smaller towns and villages. He mentioned that this will be a purely commercial venture and thus the decision to go ahead or not will be made as they see how phase 1 goes.
In other words they will see what the real cost of doing FTTH is in phase 1 and based on that will decide on phase 2 from there.
It is amazing to think that in just 6 years from now, 50% of homes in Ireland could be FTTH! That would be a massive achievement and it should be cheered from the rafters.
It will be ironic that people in the most dense urban areas with UPC service, will end up with an inferior service to the more semi-urban parts of the country!! Even if/when UPC do DOCSIS 3.1, it still won't have the symmetric upload speed of FTTH. I wonder if UPC might think of doing FTTH in their own areas in the short to medium term?
With regards to rural broadband, he kept stressing that this ESB/Vodafone venture is purely commercial. He didn't say it, but reading between the lines he is saying that rural FTTH isn't commercially possible.
However he did mention the governments National Development Plan to bring broadband to rural Ireland with a 500 million subsidy. He mentioned that the ESB/Vodafone JV IS NOT currently involved with this project, but that they would have to bid for their involvement in it, along with other telecoms companies (e.g. Eircom).
He mentioned that this isn't likely to be FTTH, rather wireless technology backed by fibre backhaul. A reasonable and achievable goal IMO.
To be honest, I massively psyched about a company like ESB getting involved in FTTH. This is the perfect company to do FTTH. This is a very well run company, with world renowned engineering ability and a very much long term infrastructural focus.
This is exactly what we need to propel us into the future and finally sort the Broadband problem in Ireland for once and for all. I have to say I was massively impressed by this interview with the ESB CEO, not just about FTTH, but also what he had to say about renewable energy (the realities of it and the need to balance it with cost and security of supply) and Nuclear power.
He seemed like a very knowledgeable and engineering driven CEO, a breath of fresh air compared to the waffle you hear coming from politicians and former Eircom "business" CEO's
Very, VERY, exciting times ahead
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Great stuff, BK. Very promising indeed.
I was out checking what our situation is in regard to the ESB and luckily our estate has an ESB distribution cab sitting outside with underground cables accessible from a series of grating that extends to every house. Seems like most of the work is already done, with little left to do but lay the cable. Hopefully this convinces them to see to us sooner rather than later
I wonder how quickly Eircom will react to the ESB's offering and upgrade their customers to FTTH...0 -
Great stuff, BK. Very promising indeed.
I was out checking what our situation is in regard to the ESB and luckily our estate has an ESB distribution cab sitting outside with underground cables accessible from a series of grating that extends to every house. Seems like most of the work is already done, with little left to do but lay the cable. Hopefully this convinces them to see to us sooner rather than later
I wonder how quickly Eircom will react to the ESB's offering and upgrade their customers to FTTH...
Are you serious about this comment? You went out to see about the esb supply?0 -
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Sigh, as it is mentioned by the CEO in the piece, I will allow it, but strictly within the limits of this project.
And Fergus, you are wondering dangerously close to ignoring a mods instructions, which normally results in a ban.
So lots of exciting and interesting information.
Confirmed that phase 1 will target 500,000 homes in towns with more then 4000 premises. Project will cost 450 million. It will involve running a kevlar cable containing 90 fibres along the medium voltage electric network. They will use both poles and underground ducts to get into peoples homes. He said that the kevlar cable will be more robust then existing (Eircom) copper network and thus better able to handle bad weather.
He also mentioned speeds starting at 200mb/s up and down. (I suspect it will quickly do gigabit fibre, you don't want to overpromise at the start, that is something a politician would do, rather then an engineering lead company, see below).
Project expected to start later this year, with the first homes going live in Cavan start of next year.
ESB/Vodafone will be managing the network and they will resell accees to the network to other companies. So for instance, Eircom, UPC, Sky, Magnet, etc. could use it to sell their products to people, similar way to Vodafone, Magnet, Sky, etc. currently use and resell Eircoms ADSL/VDSL network as bitstream customers.
I wonder will Eircom go for this or will they instead demand to use the ESB's poles to run their own fibre network into peoples homes?
On the one hand, network level competition is very good and healthy (see UPC versus Eircom VDSL for example), but on the other hand it wastes money duplicating the network. Money that might be better spent getting BB to rural parts.
He also mentioned that there maybe a Phase 2, where they target another 500,000 homes in smaller towns and villages. He mentioned that this will be a purely commercial venture and thus the decision to go ahead or not will be made as they see how phase 1 goes.
In other words they will see what the real cost of doing FTTH is in phase 1 and based on that will decide on phase 2 from there.
It is amazing to think that in just 6 years from now, 50% of homes in Ireland could be FTTH! That would be a massive achievement and it should be cheered from the rafters.
It will be ironic that people in the most dense urban areas with UPC service, will end up with an inferior service to the more semi-urban parts of the country!! Even if/when UPC do DOCSIS 3.1, it still won't have the symmetric upload speed of FTTH. I wonder if UPC might think of doing FTTH in their own areas in the short to medium term?
With regards to rural broadband, he kept stressing that this ESB/Vodafone venture is purely commercial. He didn't say it, but reading between the lines he is saying that rural FTTH isn't commercially possible.
However he did mention the governments National Development Plan to bring broadband to rural Ireland with a 500 million subsidy. He mentioned that the ESB/Vodafone JV IS NOT currently involved with this project, but that they would have to bid for their involvement in it, along with other telecoms companies (e.g. Eircom).
He mentioned that this isn't likely to be FTTH, rather wireless technology backed by fibre backhaul. A reasonable and achievable goal IMO.
To be honest, I massively psyched about a company like ESB getting involved in FTTH. This is the perfect company to do FTTH. This is a very well run company, with world renowned engineering ability and a very much long term infrastructural focus.
This is exactly what we need to propel us into the future and finally sort the Broadband problem in Ireland for once and for all. I have to say I was massively impressed by this interview with the ESB CEO, not just about FTTH, but also what he had to say about renewable energy (the realities of it and the need to balance it with cost and security of supply) and Nuclear power.
He seemed like a very knowledgeable and engineering driven CEO, a breath of fresh air compared to the waffle you hear coming from politicians and former Eircom "business" CEO's
Very, VERY, exciting times ahead
I know i was but I can't see how talking about rural broadband is out of bounds on this thread strictly on the basis that it will provide a backhaul for the wisp's to take advantage of 0 -
fergus1001 wrote: »I know i was but I can't see how talking about rural broadband is out of bounds on this thread strictly on the basis that it will provide a backhaul for the wisp's to take advantage of
+1
Not only that, but bk warned you and yet continued to talk about it himself in the same post. I'm a tad confused here!
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fergus1001 wrote: »I know i was but I can't see how talking about rural broadband is out of bounds on this thread strictly on the basis that it will provide a backhaul for the wisp's to take advantage of
While I agree that threads like this will always be derailed into discussions about rural fibre, posting "rural broadband" 6 successive times in one post is just asking for trouble.0 -
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