SIRO - ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home

CoBo55

The Ayatolla wrote: »

I switched over to my own D-Link Gigabit AC router too instead of Vodafone's "Gigabox".

Will test out both with a laptop with a direct Gigabit port and revert.

Revert to the gigabox?

Sheep Shagger

Marlow wrote: »

Eir does not dig for SIRO. SIRO does not use Eir and Eir does not use SIRO.

- Eir is a retail business, reselling OpenEIR infrastructure only.
- OpenEIR is the wholesale operation that now operates what used to be Eircoms network.
- SIRO is an organisation set up from scratch, using ESB networks infrastructure.

OpenEir and SIRO do not share infrastructure, nor do they do work for each other.

You are confused, sir.

/M

Thanks, all I know is that months after digging we still have no fibre broadband....

Marlow

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Thanks, all I know is that months after digging we still have no fibre broadband....

Well .. if it was OpenEIR digging, then you'll never get it. Simply because you're looking in wrong place

Just sayin'.

/M

Sheep Shagger

It was an ICL truck they were working from when digging?

sparcocars

Gonzo wrote: »

Not sure if the ESB have a site in Dunshaughlin. Last week when we had the power outage, the Siro team examined poles all the way from the start of the OpenEir rural rollout near Dunshaughlin, then my road, and the following day they were working their way towards Ratoath, examining poles past where the rural rollout stops and inside a NBP zone. There were 7 or 8 KN and Circlet vans at one point and several hoisters. I'll keep a watchful eye next week when our power is cut once again.

The closest SIRO site is in ashbourne. They built the fibre network in ash ourne first and worked over towards ratoath and now working onto dunshauglin and surrounding areas

The Ayatolla

LFCFan wrote: »

I'm maxing out around 940Mbits and consistently get around 210mbits up. Previously I was struggling to get over 800 and it was due to certain software that was installed or how it was configured. Stuff like torrent software or some virus scanners. Worth looking at things like that if hardware isn't the issue

Checked into it.

With another laptop, using EDGE browser I was getting over 700mbps.
Same laptop, using Chrome, it was much slower!

Using the USB-C to Ethernet adapter, it dropped again to around 200mbps.

At least I know the supply is decent anyway!

Alan_P

FastFullBack wrote: »

Siro put fibre into the ground right outside my house back in June and sent us a letter to say it will be available soon back in September. Address is still not showing up on siro.ie link checker

Is that in Greystones ? I am, and can see SIRO loops from my bedroom window, but my address shows up as unavailable on siro.ie.

Marlow

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Checked into it.

With another laptop, using EDGE browser I was getting over 700mbps.
Same laptop, using Chrome, it was much slower!

Using the USB-C to Ethernet adapter, it dropped again to around 200mbps.

Best browser for speedtests is usually Firefox. There are big variations between browsers.

Also, exactly as I said, quality between USB ethernet adapters varies a lot. Time to get a decent branded one.

/M

CoBo55

Marlow wrote: »

Best browser for speedtests is usually Firefox. There are big variations between browsers.

Also, exactly as I said, quality between USB ethernet adapters varies a lot. Time to get a decent branded one.

/M

Or just stop obsessing about speeds and just use the BB.

CoBo55

CoBo55 wrote: »

Or just stop obsessing about speeds and just use the BB.

Ah that old chestnut. People complain that they have been mis-sold a service and the response is stop complaining sure you dont even need it. It's a disgrace and disgusting attitude. How about siro stop making excuses and fix the service? Why? Because it's not even capable of gigabit speeds that's why. It's all a big con. To get that you would need the shortest possible line uncontended all to yourself on a linux pc that runs no software.

If people dont need that much bandwidth then why mislead them and sell them a service that they are not capable of achieving?

Marlow

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah that old chestnut. People complain that they have been mis-sold a service and the response is stop complaining sure you dont even need it. It's a disgrace and disgusting attitude. How about siro stop making excuses and fix the service? Why? Because it's not even capable of gigabit speeds that's why. It's all a big con. To get that you would need the shortest possible line uncontended all to yourself on a linux pc that runs no software.

If people dont need that much bandwidth then why mislead them and sell them a service that they are not capable of achieving?

Wrong attitude, I'm afraid.

The biggest issue here is, that most peoples hardware can't maximize the line unless they know, what they're doing. And most haven't even bothered reading up on the spec of their own hardware or software.

And that makes the whole speedtesting complete nonsense.

A speedtest and other tests are things, that you do, when you have issues. When you try to diagnose a problem.

Because the fact is: the headline of the connection may be X, but with the higher the headline speeds get, the more likely it is to see contention. And consumer broadband is never uncontended. Especially not at these prices.

Bottom line: if your broadband does, what you want it to do, then there is no need to run speedtests or other diagnostics. If you run into problems and the broadband does not deliver, what you've been sold, then that's a different matter. And that's the point where you really find out about the quality of your provider.

/M

Marlow

Marlow wrote: »

Because the fact is: the headline of the connection may be X, but with the higher the headline speeds get, the more likely it is to see contention. And consumer broadband is never uncontended. Especially not at these prices.
/M

Great so we are on agreement, the lines going into people's homes are not capable of gigabit speeds when all factors are considered. This is my point.

Dont run a speed test and then you wont see how ridiculously far off you are from the gigabit speed you were sold.

Nice attitude there.

This whole thing smells rank.

tsue921i8wljb3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Great so we are on agreement, the lines going into people's homes are not capable of gigabit speeds when all factors are considered. This is my point.

Dont run a speed test and then you wont see how ridiculously far off you are from the gigabit speed you were sold.

Nice attitude there.

This whole thing smells rank.

But they are capable. There have been plenty of people posting here with no issues with the gigabit service. The issues you are seeing may be a line issue or it may be an end-user issue. It's up to you to be able to diagnose that.

Marlow

Deleted User wrote: »

Great so we are on agreement, the lines going into people's homes are not capable of gigabit speeds when all factors are considered. This is my point.

Dont run a speed test and then you wont see how ridiculously far off you are from the gigabit speed you were sold.

Nice attitude there.

This whole thing smells rank.

No problems getting near Gbit/s speed on the line. A small chunk comes off the top of it anyhow, considering that there also is an overhead to be accounted for from the PPPoE tunnel. Approx. 6%.

The majority of people here not seeing 930-960 Mbit/s download have their own hardware or software issues. Or wifi for that sake.

And none of that is to blame on the provider.

Secondly, all I was saying is, that as a consumer you are not entitled to have the full speed available all the time. You're simply not paying enough money for that to be possible.

So first things first: get a basic understanding of your hardware, your software and the limitations of what you're buying, before extensively complaining about speedtests not achieving full speed.

/M

Marlow

Marlow wrote: »

No problems getting near Gbit/s speed on the line. A small chunk comes off the top of it anyhow, considering that there also is an overhead to be accounted for from the PPPoE tunnel. Approx. 6%.

The majority of people here not seeing 930-960 Mbit/s download have their own hardware or software issues. Or wifi for that sake.

And none of that is to blame on the provider.

Secondly, all I was saying is, that as a consumer you are not entitled to have the full speed available all the time. You're simply not paying enough money for that to be possible.

So first things first: get a basic understanding of your hardware, your software and the limitations of what you're buying, before extensively complaining about speedtests not achieving full speed.

/M

I'm aware not everyone is having problems but a lot are. And obviously I'm most concerned with my own line. I was getting 260mb on a 240mb virign line before moving to siro.

My neighbours have 500mb virgin and are getting 480-500mb. This is without any special hardware. No linux CD running on an i7. No disabling virus software, nothing at all. Just bog standard low tier equipment. No fuss no excuses.

Every single broadband line I have had going all the way back to 56kbs dial up has given me full or close enough not to complain throughput.

Ok so maybe my estate has a problem with.our line. Nobody cares, nobody is going to fix it and we get nothing but passive aggressive remarks suggesting we are somehow being greedy, are doing something wrong or are just plain idiots who dont know what we are talking about.

Marlow

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm aware not everyone is having problems but a lot are. And obviously I'm most concerned with my own line. I was getting 260mb on a 240mb virign line before moving to siro.

My neighbours have 500mb virgin and are getting 480-500mb. This is without any special hardware. No linux CD running on an i7. No disabling virus software, nothing at all. Just bog standard low tier equipment. No fuss no excuses.

Every single broadband line I have had going all the way back to 56kbs dial up has given me full or close enough not to complain throughput.

Ok so maybe my estate has a problem with.our line. Nobody cares, nobody is going to fix it and we get nothing but passive aggressive remarks suggesting we are somehow being greedy, are doing something wrong or are just plain idiots who dont know what we are talking about.

But you do not have a line from SIRO. You have a line from a provider, that is using SIRO for the last mile.

And that is already the first step where you go wrong: just because you have a problem with your provider and with your line, you assume it is the same with all of them. And that is simply not the case.

/M

Marlow

Marlow wrote: »

But you do not have a line from SIRO. You have a line from a provider, that is using SIRO for the last mile.

And that is already the first step where you go wrong: just because you have a problem with your provider and with your line, you assume it is the same with all of them. And that is simply not the case.

/M

I've been told gigabit speed is only possible under ideal conditions, which basically require special equipment configured by an engineer. Take a look through this thread.

This is my issue with siro and yes their providers too.

Marlow

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've been told gigabit speed is only possible under ideal conditions, which basically require special equipment configured by an engineer. Take a look through this thread.

This is my issue with siro and yes their providers too.

I do not know, who told you this and certainly not in this thread.

930-960 Mbit/s is achievable with a PC a decent i7 CPU or similar, a SSD drive, a good quality network card, cat6 cabling to said network card directly into the supplied router, best running Linux (as you do not have junk software like Smartbytes and antivirus software slowing you down) and using Mozilla Firefox.

Then make sure, that you pick a speedtest server that ACTUALLY has the capacity to deliver said speedtest.

Speedtest.net Galway or Carlow servers for example.

Nothing specialist needed.

And the reason you don't get higher than that is the overhead for PPPoE. So if you were to look at the bandwidth used including encapsulation, you would see the full Gbit/s.

/M

tsue921i8wljb3

You don't need an i7, you don't need Cat6 cabling (5e is fine). This is a test on a 2008 Core 2 Duo Dell. The height of technology!

Marlow

Averi Cool Midget wrote: »

You don't need an i7, you don't need Cat6 cabling (5e is fine). This is a test on a 2008 Core 2 Duo Dell. The height of technology!

Of course you don't. But the lower the spec of the hardware, the more do you need, what you are doing.

I have just provided a simple set of specs that is pretty much guaranteed to show the right results.

/M

tuxy

Would I be right in saying you are receiving around 1Gbps of data but because of overheads you are get 9xxMbps of usable data.
Mr Grumble who told you that you can't get gigabit speeds over a GPON network?

I'm not looking for full gigabit. I'm ok with rounding up to the nearest 100.

Navi would you mind giving details on how to run that speed test? Are you plugged directly or through a router?

Marlow

Marlow wrote: »

Of course you don't. But the lower the spec of the hardware, the more do you need to know, what you are doing.

I have just provided a simple set of specs that is pretty much guaranteed to show the right results.

And well .. a webbased speedtest also adds a massive CPU overhead. I am not going to try to explain how to run an iperf test to somebody, who can't even distinguish between provider, distribution access network and home network issues.

/M

The fact that you would have to explain to someone how to run an iperf test or provide a certain minimum hardware specification is EXACTLY my point.

I will go to a provider who can provide me with the actual service they are selling me without me having to take a college course in networking.

It is the height of marketing pr bull****. The absolute height.

tuxy

Deleted User wrote: »

The fact that you would have to explain to someone how to run an iperf test or provide a certain minimum hardware specification is EXACTLY my point.

I will go to a provider who can provide me with the actual service they are selling me without me having to take a college course in networking.

It is the height of marketing pr bull****. The absolute height.

Just once you realise it's the ISP and not SIRO that has let you down. Assuming there actually is a fault.

tsue921i8wljb3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not looking for full gigabit. I'm ok with rounding up to the nearest 100.

Navi would you mind giving details on how to run that speed test? Are you plugged directly or through a router?

I don't have a gigabit line at home to test but it is a test of my gigabit LAN. The principle is same though. It is just Ethernet from the router in both instances.

There is no real point using iPerf for internet speed tests. The closest public server is in France so you may not get an accurate result. If you want to try anyway here are instructions:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109427832&postcount=7280

Skip the bit saying iperf3.exe -s

Choose one of the public servers here:

https://iperf.fr/iperf-servers.php

Use the server name instead of IPADDRESS in the instructions.

KOR101

Marlow wrote: »

930-960 Mbit/s is achievable ....

The Actavo installer who did mine for Sky, verified my connection on his laptop at 930 mbits. He was happy with that, as was I. I've never got more.

Marlow

KOR101 wrote: »

The Actavo installer who did mine for Sky, verified my connection on his laptop at 930 mbits. He was happy with that, as was I. I've never got more.

6% of a Gbit/s is approx 60 Mbit/s. So yes thereabouts is the max. A bit more can be achieved.

The fact with SIRO based installations is, that the installers are required to do these speedtests when they install. So they (and the subscriber) should know what the line can do from day one.

Hence this entire discussion shouldn't be needed.

Not only that: the installers are using the exact same speedtest servers. No magic.

/M

KOR101

Also, I was warned by the installer to run the speedtest from an app, rather than a webpage.

Marlow

KOR101 wrote: »

Also, I was warned by the installer to run the speedtest from an app, rather than a webpage.

Which brings us right back to the point i was making in regards to running speedtests in browsers and CPU requirements.

The applications (and apps) reduce CPU overhead and hence make the test more accurate. The problem is that when you say "app", people think tablet or mobile and those are connected via wifi. You ain't going to max a Gbit/s FTTH using wifi.

And that is exacly why I summed up above spec for arriving at a pretty dead on speedtest result. At least when one doesn't know what one is doing in the first place.

/M

CoBo55

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah that old chestnut. People complain that they have been mis-sold a service and the response is stop complaining sure you dont even need it. It's a disgrace and disgusting attitude. How about siro stop making excuses and fix the service? Why? Because it's not even capable of gigabit speeds that's why. It's all a big con. To get that you would need the shortest possible line uncontended all to yourself on a linux pc that runs no software.

If people dont need that much bandwidth then why mislead them and sell them a service that they are not capable of achieving?

Put your hand in your pocket and upgrade your hardware.