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Thanks lads, I always appreciate input here and really value the opinions of others on my own running.
I'm always a bit cautious and probably guilty of over analysing what goes wrong rather than taking confidence from what goes well. A 1.23.07 half spits out a 2.54 or something on the calculators, that was more or less my PB HM pace just 6 months ago so I think that's where my caution stems from
I know that it's still very much borderline but I absolutely wouldn't be going for it if I didn't think I could do it. Another thing is the almost obligatory Boards Glorious first sub 3 attempt fail, Ive read most of them and they all sound painful:)
On the speed thing it was more of an observation about where I feel like I need to improve rather than something which would put me off a sub 3 attempt. What McMillan gives me for 10k and 5k (37.17 and 17.57) is eye meltingly fast for me at the moment, I reckon I wouldn't get inside a minute of either right now but I know I haven't trained specifically for them, hoping to address that though.
Maybe I need to channel more of the Conor Mcgregor attitude:pac::pac:0 -
The Tergat 5-4-3-2-1 session is a great indicator and you fairly nailed that. Best of luck OP.overpronator wrote: »Thanks lads, I always appreciate input here and really value the opinions of others on my own running.
I'm always a bit cautious and probably guilty of over analysing what goes wrong rather than taking confidence from what goes well. A 1.23.07 half spits out a 2.54 or something on the calculators, that was more or less my PB HM pace just 6 months ago so I think that's where my caution stems from I know that it's still very much borderline but I absolutely wouldn't be going for it if I didn't think I could do it. Another thing is the almost obligatory Boards Glorious first sub 3 attempt fail, Ive read most of them and they all sound painful:)
On the speed thing it was more of an observation about where I feel like I need to improve rather than something which would put me off a sub 3 attempt. What McMillan gives me for 10k and 5k (37.17 and 17.57) is eye meltingly fast for me at the moment, I reckon I wouldn't get inside a minute of either right now but I know I haven't trained specifically for them, hoping to address that though.
Maybe I need to channel more of the Conor Mcgregor attitude:pac::pac:0 -
overpronator wrote: »On the speed thing it was more of an observation about where I feel like I need to improve rather than something which would put me off a sub 3 attempt. What McMillan gives me for 10k and 5k (37.17 and 17.57) is eye meltingly fast for me at the moment, I reckon I wouldn't get inside a minute of either right now but I know I haven't trained specifically for them, hoping to address that though.
Maybe I need to channel more of the Conor Mcgregor attitude:pac::pac:
Jesus, I have seen some sandbagging around these logs before but the bolded definitely takes the biscuit :pac:
Let's assume you are correct and that your HM time (set in tough conditions I may add, at least that's what TRR and me are telling ourselves) is out of whack with your 5-10k times. Well this would indicate a tendency towards improving as the distance increases.
So given that, why do you feel you will fall apart (mcmillan-wise) in moving up to Marathon?
As you know yourself London is much easier than Bohermeen, so that 6 minute McMillan buffer is loads.
I am not saying anything is in the bag but you should at least be approaching London very confidently.0 -
Jesus, I have seen some sandbagging around these logs before but the bolded definitely takes the biscuit :pac:
Let's assume you are correct and that your HM time (set in tough conditions I may add, at least that's what TRR and me are telling ourselves) is out of whack with your 5-10k times. Well this would indicate a tendency towards improving as the distance increases.
So given that, why do you feel you will fall apart (mcmillan-wise) in moving up to Marathon?
As you know yourself London is much easier than Bohermeen, so that 6 minute McMillan buffer is loads.
I am not saying anything is in the bag but you should at least be approaching London very confidently.
Fair enough, I take your point re: the Half.
What I said about the shorter stuff does sound a bit like sandbagging when I read it back but its not intended that way at all, its more just general shooting the breeze about things I can improve on after London. It certainly wouldn't make me any less confident that I can get what I'm looking for in London.0 -
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Im starting the first week of taper but its still a meaty enough week with a session of 600s and a 10k tuneup race followed by a 17m LSR
Monday: Rest
Tuesday: 8m with 5X600 off 90 secs jogged recovery
At long last we get some sun and coupled with shorter reps than the 1ks last week this didn't seem so bad on paper. I did 4 miles easy to start off heading up the north road and down to the acres road as per usual for the reps, it wasn't even windy, what a day
2.13 (5.52 pace)
2.12 (5.48 pace)
2.09 (5.40 pace)
2.08 (5.38 pace)
2.08 (5.38 pace)
A grand session in good conditions and happy that the reps got progressively a wee bit faster, mostly controlled but I did go to the well on the last one.
Wednesday: 12.34M 7.46 pace
Im glad this wasn't a 15 miler as I was feeling very sluggish for this, another lovely evening and I was sweating buckets. I did most of the second half on grass on the trails in the phoenix park to save the legs a bit, finished this one feeling tired. Last midweek double digit run of P&D
So two days easy running with some strides ahead of the K club 10k on Saturday morning. Ill play it by ear in terms of targets but wont be racing it flat out, just looking to get the legs moving a good bit faster than marathon pace for 6 miles. I'm feeling pretty tired right now but hopefully I'll freshen up by Saturday, then in a weeks time I should be starting to come around properly.
The hay is nearly in the barn at this stage, I just need to keep it ticking over for a wee while more and resist the urge to relax.0 -
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career move wrote: »Wow that's a fantastic time! Sorry I didn't get to meet you. I saw you talking to Meno but it was only after that I realised who you were
Ah jaysus that was you! I thought it was yourself for a sec but then thought you were doing a race somewhere else so let it go, my bad. Next time!0 -
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Thursday 6.4M 7.54 pace
A nice easy run in a sunny phoneix park. I was feeling a good bit better than the previous nights 12 miler, I threw in 6 20s strides which woke me up a bit more.
Friday 4.3M 8.42 pace
40 minute recovery shuffle along the Liffey towpath to Chapelizod
Saturday K Club 10k
Heading down Saturday I was really looking forward to a race and a last blowout before London. I met Ivory Tower and Meno at the start and did a short warmup along the course, picking out a couple of landmarks. There was a very stiff breeze in our faces heading out the first mile but that was ok as I knew we would have it assisting us on the way back in, fair enough. Had a quick chat with RedRunner before lining up, the place seemed to be chock full us internet warrior types!
I had a loose plan to take it fairly easy but once we set off I knew I was gonna give it a rattle as I felt good from the off. Heading out of the K club on the first mile I was in a good bunch and didn't notice the wind at all. Into mile 2 and the first lap of the 3k loop the breeze became very apparent, I bled a bit of time here but wasn't fussed as I knew we would get it back, I was just focusing on effort. Into mile 3 and the discomfort of the headwind passed as it was now at our backs and pushing us on. I was moving well and felt very smooth, still in a group, falling in with one runner in particular whom I would race right to the line. Another spell into the headwind as we set off on our second lap but I just concentrated on making it to the turn again without overcooking it. Mile 5, we're heading for home and I knew I had a good shot at sub 38 at this stage so was really determined to finish it out. I upped the effort and started passing a few as we hit the final mile, working hard but feeling good. As we passed the final roundabout I hit a full sprint dropping my companion going up the last small drag, we were full on into the wind here again and it hurt but it was only a short stretch and we were done.
Splits:
6.05
6.13
6.04
6.13
5.57
5.54
(5.34)
Official time was 37.34 so a massive PB and one I'm delighted with. I got in a cool down jog with Meno, meeting AMK for the first time before a downing at least 5 cakes inside. What a spread. This is a great race with a good standard in the field which really helped drag me around, all in all a very worthwhile trip.
Sunday 17.1M 8.15 pace
Into the park this morning with outforarun on a seriously miserable day. It really did have it all today, rain, hail sleet and biting wind. I was freezing cold and sapping wet for most of this so it was far from pleasant. Having company and chatting away definitely made this so much easier, we were disciplined on the pace too overall which was a big help for me. Conditions aside I felt far better than expected and didn't really feel the race in my legs too much which was great, little hints here and there but nothing much. I left OFAR at 16 miles as he bravely headed on into the gale to finish out his 20. I had half thought about doing the full 20 with him as we went around but my sensible head prevailed, I reckon OFAR would have sent me home anyway had I tried it!
So first taper week in the bag and 57 miles done, it drops to around 40 next week, which is nice Nearly there. 0 -
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