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Looper007

shamrock55 wrote: »

Ive missed alot to be fair, but what i have seen has been pure garbage

ah come on, pure garbage was 2010 world cup. this has been excellent, you need to watch more.

marienbad

Looper007 wrote: »

ah come on, pure garbage was 2010 world cup. this has been excellent, you need to watch more.

2010 was an excellent tournament , it seemed inevitable that Spain would win particularly after recovering against the loss to the Swiss to top their group, but there was still some great games and fascinating side stories - the usual England self destruct was even more bizarre than normal, the emergence of that brilliant German side and the negative side of Dutch football .

A grand tournament .

Cantona's Collars

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Unbelievable that FIFA has booted Netherlands out of their base hotel in Rio due to major Sports sponsors wanting it! Shocking! #NED

fryup

mexico 86 & italia 90 were garbage

this one is brill (so far)

LuckyLloyd

seligehgit wrote: »

Hope to God Germany put this Brazilian team to the sword as they are a betrayal of everything that Brazilian football has stood for in the past.

Except for 2010. Or 94. Or 90. And 78 and 74.

Brazilian football has always been concerned with winning matches, and have used a variety of approaches to try and achieve same depending on the players available in the World Cup concerned. This team is clearly trying its very best under ridiculous levels of pressure and expectation.

I'll be rooting for them on Tuesday.

sReq | uTeK

I know crazy right, I don't have a preference and i'd like to actually see a all european final but I mean do people honestly think big Phil is going to set his team out to play fast flowing attractive football when he doesn't have the players for it.

Play to your strengths that's all you can do and it's all Brazil have done so far.

Iused2likebusts

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Except for 2010. Or 94. Or 90. And 78 and 74.

Brazilian football has always been concerned with winning matches, and have used a variety of approaches to try and achieve same depending on the players available in the World Cup concerned. This team is clearly trying its very best under ridiculous levels of pressure and expectation.

I'll be rooting for them on Tuesday.

I would go as far as saying there has never been more pressure on a team throughout the history of the game especially when you consider the hurt they still have over uruguay winning the tournament in Brazil the last time

patmac

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I would go as far as saying there has never been more pressure on a team throughout the history of the game especially when you consider the hurt they still have over uruguay winning the tournament in Brazil the last time

Well I normally love Brazilian football but for the first time I will be cheering on the German's as there definitely seems to be an open bias towards getting the hosts to the final by any means.

Maximus Alexander

I'd love to see the Dutch win it, but failing that I hope the Germans turn it up to 11 and completely shred Brazil and then do the same to Argentina in the final.

tastyt

To say that Brazil don't have players skillful enough to play better football is just not true. The manager has a style and has gone with it. And neymar aside, the rest of the team looks frozen in fear . I'd say it's hard for us to understand how much pressure they are under but it is definitely having an effect. Some of the players just want rid of the ball as soon as they get it

Dont be at yourself

Hoping for a Germany - Holland or Brazil - Argentina final, two of the biggest international rivalries in football.

Dolph Starbeam

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I would go as far as saying there has never been more pressure on a team throughout the history of the game especially when you consider the hurt they still have over uruguay winning the tournament in Brazil the last time

I know, you'd feel sorry them really, 5 world cups just isn't enough. I'll definitely be rooting for Germany, can't stand the constant stream of pundits hoping that the hosts get to the final.

I am pie

tastyt wrote: »

To say that Brazil don't have players skillful enough to play better football is just not true. The manager has a style and has gone with it. And neymar aside, the rest of the team looks frozen in fear . I'd say it's hard for us to understand how much pressure they are under but it is definitely having an effect. Some of the players just want rid of the ball as soon as they get it

Hulk is very erratic, flits between bustling brilliance and playground clumsiness, the midfielders are all agressive, hard tackling but dont possess much panache, they have the worst CF out of all the s/f teams and have lost the one genuinely world class defender in the team. I would not be hopeful if I was Brazil. It's a lot to ask of Oscar, who remains the last genuinely world class talent in the team. Dani Alves has done precious little, Marcelo has offered support going fwd but caused problems defensively.

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I will say it again I love this World Cup :D

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I will say it again I love this World Cup :D:D

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I will say it again I love this World Cup :D:D:D

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I will say it again I love this World Cup :D:D:D:D

I will say it again I love this World Cup :eek:

Peanut Butter Jelly

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I will say it again I love this World Cup :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

FTFY.

IK09

This is madness lads. 5 - 0. All hail ze germans

Maximus Alexander

Ich für meinen Teil begrüße unsere neuen deutschen Oberherren.

Peanut Butter Jelly

Nur Englisch bitte.

Maximus Alexander

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Ich für meinen Teil begrüße unsere neuen deutschen Oberherren.

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

Nur Englisch bitte.

I for one welcome our new German overlords.

seligehgit

Amazing result, sad for the hosts but the right result for football.

Looper007

Goes to show don't write off the Germans.

KERSPLAT!

Looper007 wrote: »

Goes to show don't write off the Germans.

Who was writing them off?

Looper007

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Who was writing them off?

Plenty in the press, on here and the pundits.

miralize

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Who was writing them off?

America

Reekwind

Finally, we got the last ingredient that this World Cup needed to be a classic: one great team stepping up to seize the trophy

seligehgit

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Ich für meinen Teil begrüße unsere neuen deutschen Oberherren.

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

Nur Englisch bitte.

Can our paymasters please translate?:D

Peanut Butter Jelly

seligehgit wrote: »

Can our paymasters please translate?:D

I for one welcome our new German overlords

English only please.

Pulsating Star

seligehgit wrote: »

Hope to God Germany put this Brazilian team to the sword as they are a betrayal of everything that Brazilian football has stood for in the past.

Now, what was that other thing you wanted?

grumpymunster

Kudos to the ref last night thought he had an excellent game I suppose had Brazil been reffed correctly before they would have lost but not been humiliated. Karma is a bitch really.

vidor

Thought the ref was poor last night when it came to bookings, only dished out one yellow card which was remarkable.

Tokarev

Reekwind wrote: »

Finally, we got the last ingredient that this World Cup needed to be a classic: one great team stepping up to seize the trophy

We did?

Argentina or Netherlands will have a say in who will seize the trophy.

grumpymunster

vidor wrote: »

Thought the ref was poor last night when it came to bookings, only dished out one yellow card which was remarkable.

Why was it remarkable? There was very little that deserved a yellow card for the first 30 minutes or so and the past 60 minutes was played at little more than training pace apart from the first 5 minutes of the second half. Maybe the odd shout for diving but no serious fould play.

Is that how a ref is judged now how many cards he dished out? If last nights ref had been in charge of the Brazil Columbia game it is probable that Naymar would still be running around a pitch there was no stage last night you did not feel he did not have control of the game.

cournioni

Reekwind wrote: »

Finally, we got the last ingredient that this World Cup needed to be a classic: one great team stepping up to seize the trophy

I wouldn't say that just yet. Winning a game in the way that Germany did last night is probably the worst possible preparation for a World Cup final. It would have been better to win a close contest because at least things will have been learned.

On a side note, I am completely baffled at how David Luiz is a professional footballer.

Bacchus

Tokarev wrote: »

We did?

Argentina or Netherlands will have a say in who will seize the trophy.

I read Reekwind's comment that a quality team such as Germany was simply stepping up to win it by getting to the final so emphatically, not that they'd won it already.

Also, IMO Argentina or Holland would be worthy winners too

Hoping for an Argentina vs Germany final myself.

Dolph Starbeam

cournioni wrote: »

I wouldn't say that just yet. Winning a game in the way that Germany did last night is probably the worst possible preparation for a World Cup final. It would have been better to win a close contest because at least things will have been learned.

On a side note, I am completely baffled at how David Luiz is a professional footballer.

Don't think so, the cruised through the game, we're allowed to rest their slightly unfit defender for 45 minutes and have an extra days rest over whoever the other finalist will be. It's also very possible that tonight's game will got the full 120 minutes which will be even better news for the Germans.

cournioni

YayaBanana wrote: »

Don't think so, the cruised through the game, we're allowed to rest their slightly unfit defender for 45 minutes and have an extra days rest over whoever the other finalist will be. It's also very possible that tonight's game will got the full 120 minutes which will be even better news for the Germans.

Maybe so, but we have seen it before in many different codes where a team has hammered teams only to be beaten in the very next game. I don't think its always down to over confidence either, I'd say its mainly down to the fact that a victory like this is poor preparation for a real test, which the World Cup final will be.

vidor

grumpymunster wrote: »

Why was it remarkable? There was very little that deserved a yellow card for the first 30 minutes or so and the past 60 minutes was played at little more than training pace apart from the first 5 minutes of the second half. Maybe the odd shout for diving but no serious fould play.

Is that how a ref is judged now how many cards he dished out? If last nights ref had been in charge of the Brazil Columbia game it is probable that Naymar would still be running around a pitch there was no stage last night you did not feel he did not have control of the game.

I said he was poor when it came to dishing out yellow cards. Obviously there's other aspects to reffing game but I'm talking about this one. I just remember there being a few nasty fouls, a good bit of diving and a couple of cynical fouls (Muller in the first 5 mins iirc?). Also, Luiz should count himself lucky he didn't get booked towards the end for that lash out at Muller. Ended up looking hilarious though! Actually, wasn't there an arm swung out by Luiz on one of his runs in the first half that caught someone in the face? Remember thinking he was fortunate to get away with that too.

Reekwind

Tokarev wrote:

Argentina or Netherlands will have a say in who will seize the trophy.

Of course. I'm not suggesting that the final is won already.

But the one real criticism that I could have made of this World Cup is that all the genuine title contenders were firing on half-cylinders. Everyone seemed to be slightly stumbling towards the finish line. Germany and Netherlands had been fitfully brilliant but often pedestrian, Argentina still haven't clicked into gear and Brazil were awful throughout. We've had a lot of really good football throughout the tournament but not much opportunity to say "Wow. That's the best team in the world." We didn't have a proper world champion in-waiting.

Until now. That was a superb Germany performance and a real marker for their opponents. Another performance like that and this tournament will have the champion that it deserves.

(And, of course, I hope that both Argentina and the Netherlands can improve and provide similar performances, either tonight or in the final. I'm just happy that a minimum of one contender has stepped up the quality.)

cournioni wrote: »

Winning a game in the way that Germany did last night is probably the worst possible preparation for a World Cup final. It would have been better to win a close contest because at least things will have been learned.

I'd agree [Edit: Opps. Meant 'disagree'] but for two reasons. Turning on the burners to absolutely demolish a title rival is rarely a bad thing. More importantly, this Germany team look as focused as any I've seen. They were furious to concede a late goal, the celebrations were relatively muted at the end and throughout the match they kept the pressure up. Maybe it's the old stereotypes, maybe it's the contrast with Brazil but this Germany team looks mean and ready.

Maximus Alexander

I would have thought that having the game firmly polished off in 30 minutes and playing the rest at training pace will be a significant advantage for Germany, given the inevitable fatigue involved in playing so many high tempo matches, in intense heat, in such a short period.

If the Netherlands go through for example, they've played a lot of their games in the middle of the day, they had to go all the way to penalties in their last match, they'll likely have to be at full pelt tonight for 90 minutes at least, and they've one less day to recover. It's hard to see them having enough left in the tank to take on this German team.

thegreengoblin

Quick question, for sweepstake purposes. Were Spain the first team to be eliminated (as I've read elsewhere) or was it both them and Australia? I assume it has to be both.

mewso

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Quick question, for sweepstake purposes. Were Spain the first team to be eliminated (as I've read elsewhere) or was it both them and Australia? I assume it has to be both.

Both at the same time.

citytillidie

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Quick question, for sweepstake purposes. Were Spain the first team to be eliminated (as I've read elsewhere) or was it both them and Australia? I assume it has to be both.

Even though Australia lost too V Holland they played Spain in the final group game so still had a chance to get through if Spain had beaten Chile.

But since Chile beat Spain that eliminated both Australia and Spain at the final whistle

pavb2

pavb2 wrote: »

I'm thinking Brazil Argentina Germany holland for top four apart from holland I guess this is probably the form guide

I allowed myself to be talked out of this pre tournament bet. (Thinly veiled I got it right post)
Then I backed higuain for top scorer

seligehgit

Loved to know who were the 2 Dutch players who refused to take the first penalty,real shame Van Gal repeat his Tim Krul substitution for the penalty shoot out.

Cantona's Collars

Interesting how the spine of the current WC German team played in the 2009 U-21s final & only James Milner survived on the English side.

Boskowski

Germany are going to win the World Cup. Yayyyyyyyyy!

Johner

Decent list apart from Lahm.

Dolph Starbeam

Di Maria and Lahm should not be there. Lahm has been a lot better since he was moved back to rb though.

Smithwicks Man

Muller is definitely the most deserving of it so far imo of the players left in the competition. Probably followed by Robben.

Would've loved to have seen James Rodriguez get it (think he was the standout player in the tournament alongside Muller) but you usually need to make the semi final as far as I'm aware.

Can see it being a case of if Germany win then it'll go to Muller, unless he has a shocker of a final and Hummels/Kroos light it up, and if Argentina win then it goes to Messi, who has shown glimpses of extreme quality but I don't think he's deserving of the Golden Ball at all.

Corholio

Van Gaal a bitter man after that semi final defeat. First he doesnt wanna play the 3rd/4th place play off and now he claims the whole World Cup was set up for Brazil. I never really thought he was like that to be honest.