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John Waters quits BAI

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    #92
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Man writes homophobic articles, is called out on being homophobic. Where's the issue?

    Post up one of these articles so I can read it please. Don't/won't buy the inderpendent


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    #93
    Oryx
    Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    I don't read JW. I'm not aware he is a homophobe. Isn't his ex wife bi-sexual?

    Read a few of his articles. He does a good line in misogynistic bigotry too.


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    #94
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    I don't read JW. I'm not aware he is a homophobe. Isn't his ex wife bi-sexual?

    Yet the many links and quotes on this thread are not enough to Phill Ewinn?


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    #95
    P_1
    Registered Users Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Actually I do wonder if it'd be best to treat his articles like one would treat a troll. Ignore them, don't link to them and starve him of his oxygen.


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    #96
    ahnowbrowncow
    Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    I don't read JW. I'm not aware he is a homophobe. Isn't his ex wife bi-sexual?

    That must be why he doesn't like them, he's insecure.


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    #97
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Nodin wrote: »
    And misogynist. He's often too busy talking other crap to get digs in at the wimminz these days, but he's still a paid up member.

    Women, the gays, atheists, bloggers and wikipedia, there's so much Jawn hates that I can barely keep track of.


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    #98
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Post up one of these articles so I can read it please. Don't/won't buy the inderpendent

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88623093&postcount=31


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    #99
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    I do believe he has a hatred of keyboard journalists, like bloggers and posters. He would prefer that opinions and comments be by professional self opinionated journos like him.


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    #100
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Links234 wrote: »
    Women, the gays, atheists, bloggers and wikipedia, there's so much Jawn hates that I can barely keep track of.


    True. Ever since a school girl beat him up and took his lunch money, he's been a bitter man.


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    #101
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Nodin wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88623093&postcount=31

    JW article like?

    Point out the homophobic bits too!


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    #102
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    efb wrote: »
    https://m.facebook.com/notes/broadcasting-authority-of-ireland-bai/statement-on-the-resignation-of-john-waters-from-bai/657017111011413

    After pantigate Waters resigns. Martyrdom awaits...

    Is there any link that doesn't require a Facebook account to view it ?


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    #103
    Shakti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Shakti


    It is a good thing he has gone, I also think Patricia Casey's position/s is equally untenable


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    #104
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    bluewolf wrote: »
    'This is really a kind of satire on marriage which is being conducted by the gay lobby,' Waters said. ‘It’s not that they want to get married; they want to destroy the institution of marriage because they’re envious of it;
    ‘This is really an attempt to discredit an institution, the nominative institution on which society and human civilization is founded. If you do that there will be consequences, and one of them is that marriage will become a nothing;

    ‘It is a deliberate sabotage of the culture and the relishing of the destruction as a result. Gay marriage is a satire"


    Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/Columnist-John-Waters-in-a-Panti-twist-over-anti-gay-claims.html#ixzz2rEqbnjOs
    Follow us: @IrishCentral on Twitter | IrishCentral on Facebook


    Now if you'll excuse me I just have to nip off and have a child outside of marraige with Sinead O'Connor, which will in no way discredit the institution.

    Ps. here is a sexy pic of me........... http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/watersnip.jpg


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    #105
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    I don't read JW. I'm not aware he is a homophobe. Isn't his ex wife bi-sexual?
    That kind of reasoning is along the same lines as "I'm not racist, I have a black friend"


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    #106
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    That kind of reasoning is along the same lines as "I'm not racist, I have a black friend"

    ??


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    #107
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    JW article like?

    Point out the homophobic bits too!

    " It's a bit rich of Waters to attempt to silence mild criticism of himself when he offers startlingly anti-gay criticism of others. It says a lot actually. In advocating against marriage rights for gay people in 2012 Waters famously found himself reduced to the specious old YOUR doughnut is making ME fat argument in a discussion with the College Tribune, based in University College Dublin.

    'This is really a kind of satire on marriage which is being conducted by the gay lobby,' Waters said. ‘It’s not that they want to get married; they want to destroy the institution of marriage because they’re envious of it;

    ‘This is really an attempt to discredit an institution, the nominative institution on which society and human civilization is founded. If you do that there will be consequences, and one of them is that marriage will become a nothing;

    ‘It is a deliberate sabotage of the culture and the relishing of the destruction as a result. Gay marriage is a satire…. But sometimes you have to allow things to happen for the consequences to become obvious...'


    Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/Columnist-John-Waters-in-a-Panti-twist-over-anti-gay-claims.html#ixzz2rFKXliHW
    Follow us: @IrishCentral on Twitter | IrishCentral on Facebook


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    #108
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    ??
    You're suggesting that he can't be a homophobe if he had a bisexual wife.

    This could be a reasonable debate if you didn't ignore every bit of evidence before you and conveniently forgetting to back up your own statements. Shame.


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    #109
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    JW article like?

    Point out the homophobic bits too!

    Have you your name calling quotes?


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    #110
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    I don't read JW. I'm not aware he is a homophobe. Isn't his ex wife bi-sexual?


    What ex-wife?He's never married.


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    #111
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    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    I don't read JW. I'm not aware he is a homophobe. Isn't his ex wife bi-sexual?

    How is his ex-wife's orientation anyway relevant? Vladimir Putin says he has gay friends: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25799499 Do you honestly think Putin is not a homophobe?

    Homophobic people using the "But I have a gay friend (or bisexual wife in this case)" line is pretty much the equivalent of "I'm not a racist but......"


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    #112
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    JW article like?

    Point out the homophobic bits too!

    Older Irish Times articles are behind a pay wall.

    However the post that Nodin linked to is perfectly illustrative of homophobia. He believes that same sex marriage will be exceedingly damaging and describes it as a satirical plot by a gay lobby(who don't wish to marry) to bring doom upon us all.

    It's up there with antisemites blaming the wall street crash on Jews. Neither view has a rational grounding and all tend to be founded in bigotry. He has no facts to backup his views so instead relies on propaganda of doom.


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    #113
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Nodin wrote: »
    " It's a bit rich of Waters to attempt to silence mild criticism of himself when he offers startlingly anti-gay criticism of others. It says a lot actually. In advocating against marriage rights for gay people in 2012 Waters famously found himself reduced to the specious old YOUR doughnut is making ME fat argument in a discussion with the College Tribune, based in University College Dublin.

    'This is really a kind of satire on marriage which is being conducted by the gay lobby,' Waters said. ‘It’s not that they want to get married; they want to destroy the institution of marriage because they’re envious of it;

    ‘This is really an attempt to discredit an institution, the nominative institution on which society and human civilization is founded. If you do that there will be consequences, and one of them is that marriage will become a nothing;

    ‘It is a deliberate sabotage of the culture and the relishing of the destruction as a result. Gay marriage is a satire…. But sometimes you have to allow things to happen for the consequences to become obvious...'


    Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/Columnist-John-Waters-in-a-Panti-twist-over-anti-gay-claims.html#ixzz2rFKXliHW
    Follow us: @IrishCentral on Twitter | IrishCentral on Facebook


    The last few lines were badly put. About what I expect from the Indo!

    Are you saying he's homophobic because he objects to gay marriage or are you saying he's homophobic because he hates gay people?

    Plenty of gay people don't want gay marriage like.


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    #114
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Shakti wrote: »
    It is a good thing he has gone, I also think Patricia Casey's position/s is equally untenable


    Patricia Casey ? Is she involved with the BAI ?


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    #115
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Plenty of gay people don't want gay marriage like.
    That's such a weak argument! Some gay people don't want marriage but it's not for those reasons and they wouldn't begrudge others. You're completely unreasonable but that's no surprise given the discussions so far.


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    #116
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    The last few lines were badly put. About what I expect from the Indo!.

    It's not from the Indo.
    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Are you saying he's homophobic because he objects to gay marriage or are you saying he's homophobic because he hates gay people? !.

    We'll try again

    'This is really a kind of satire on marriage which is being conducted by the gay lobby,' Waters said. ‘It’s not that they want to get married; they want to destroy the institution of marriage because they’re envious of it;

    ‘This is really an attempt to discredit an institution, the nominative institution on which society and human civilization is founded. If you do that there will be consequences, and one of them is that marriage will become a nothing;

    ‘It is a deliberate sabotage of the culture and the relishing of the destruction as a result. Gay marriage is a satire…. But sometimes you have to allow things to happen for the consequences to become obvious...'

    He's saying Gays are trying to destroy marriage, essentially out of spite.

    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Plenty of gay people don't want gay marriage like.

    Plenty of straight people don't believe in marriage. No reason to ban it for everyone.


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    #117
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    That's such a weak argument! Some gay people don't want marriage but it's not for those reasons and they wouldn't begrudge others. You're completely unreasonable but that's no surprise given the discussions so far.

    What's a weak argument?

    I asked a question and put it into context


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    #118
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    What's a weak argument?

    I asked a question and put it into context

    You've yet to illustrate why his distinctly conspiratorial quotes aren't homophobic.


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    #119
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Hmm...

    I get the impression this gay marriage referendum (despite opinion polling showing a lot of support) is going to have a lot of sparks flying!
    Should be an interesting period of Irish political history.

    The Government have set the date way too far into the future though. Are they hoping both sides tire each other out and the population votes rationally by the time the day actually arrives?

    i'd rather have seen the referendum happen much more quickly. This is just going to drag it out for a whole year +


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    #120
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    Hmm...

    I get the impression this gay marriage referendum (despite opinion polling showing a lot of support) is going to have a lot of sparks flying!
    Should be an interesting period of Irish political history.

    The Government have set the date way too far into the future though. Are they hoping both sides tire each other out and the population votes rationally by the time the day actually arrives?



    ....they're not that far gone.


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    #121
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    You've yet to illustrate why his distinctly conspiratorial quotes aren't homophobic.

    Are you saying gay people who oppose gay marriage are homophobic? His language was OTT. As I said, about what I expected from the Indo.


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