Driver punches cyclist ( London)

Wicklowrider

http://www.bikeradar.com/commuting/news/article/video-cyclist-who-called-driver-a-fing-prick-punched-in-the-face-39662/

Hmmm, seems to contradict the old " all cyclists break red lights..."

Video looks set to be used as evidence.

Zyzz

Good to see all of the other cyclists stepping in to help. :rolleyes:

Roger Hassenforder

Link to actual video?
Im lazy...

zenno

That cyclist with the hat made it his mission to follow the car at speed to confront the driver, so basically the cyclist was asking for it. Like is said, if you look for trouble, you will find trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfdvIfT8H5c

Matt_Trakker

yea, he was asking for it, he confronted the driver at the first lights and then tried to catch him, when he did he abused him and the driver called his bluff and smacked him, then the cyclist got out of there coz he was chicken.

aFlabbyPanda

Even as a cyclist the guy was being a tool. If you initial the confrontation you need to accept whatever happens. Shouting in through the window at a driver is just stupid imo.

zenno

The driver was a tool as well, he shouldn't have moved into the cycling lane in front while the lights were still red.

So there are two tools here.

Wicklowrider

zenno wrote: »

That cyclist with the hat made it his mission to follow the car at speed to confront the driver, so basically the cyclist was asking for it. Like is said, if you look for trouble, you will find trouble.

I'm personally ambivalent - If I shouted at someone and got thumped I'd feel like I'd got myself into it and wouldn't be whinging. It could also be argued that the motorist looked for trouble by breaking the law several times over before committing assault - and that is how the Police are viewing it.

jca

Typical Audi driver..... White car too...

ashleey

Audi driver. Enough said (sold mine for just this reason) (and the cost of tyres, insurance, tax...)

frozenfrozen

It wasn't the driver it was the passenger. The cyclist was in the wrong. Yes it's a bike area, but right before the light was due to turn green the bike filters to the front, past all the other lined up cyclists, straight in front of the car in it's path. The car repositions so it can drive off when the lights go green, and the cyclist loses it thinking he's entitled to be on the road more than the car driver. And then there's the bloody chase, with the clear intention of confronting the driver, he stops, and shouts expletives into the car in an aggressive manner, then gets a smack from the passenger of the audi, and cycles away with his tail between his legs. It's ridiculous that the side of the cyclist is taken by anyone, he was clearly looking for confrontation.

lescol

That "driver" gets back into the car via the rear door!

Dr Turk Turkelton

Sweet left hook no more than the idiot deserved.
The other cyclists didn't back him up as I'd say they knew he was a troublemaking eejit.

ThisRegard

ashleey wrote: »

Audi driver. Enough said (sold mine for just this reason) (and the cost of tyres, insurance, tax...)

Cause you were punching cyclists?

Ole Rodrigo

They were shoaling. The driver was trying to get around him while he had a chance.

It looked like the cyclist hit the car door or window. Thats a bad idea in any case, never mind if a driver is already irritated.

If you can't approach some politely to tell them they had done something wrong, don't bother at all. Looks like the cyclist was in the wrong by first shoaling, then abusing the driver for being annoyed at the fact the cyclist was in the wrong to begin with.

Beasty

jca wrote: »

Typical Audi driver..... White car too...

ashleey wrote: »

Audi driver. Enough said (sold mine for just this reason) (and the cost of tyres, insurance, tax...)

I'm a driver, and I drive an Audi - despite apparent suggestions to the contrary, I don't think either fact is relevant to this thread

I realise Friday is just around the corner, but do we really need to create another driver vs cyclist thread?

at1withmyself

Zyzz wrote: »

Good to see all of the other cyclists stepping in to help. :rolleyes:

Why would they, I certainly wouldn't involve myself in that incident. Just because they're all on bikes doesn't make them obliged to also act like idiots on the road because another cyclist does. Its not us against them!!!!!!!!!!!

beauf

A story of two angry people who both want to be in front.

beauf

Beasty wrote: »

...I realise Friday is just around the corner, but do we really need to create another driver vs cyclist thread?

don't need it any day tbh

Slattsy

Good enough for him.

If a cyclist touched my Audi (not white) i'd give him a dig too.

Wicklowrider

Beasty wrote: »

I'm a driver, and I drive an Audi - despite apparent suggestions to the contrary, I don't think either fact is relevant to this thread

I realise Friday is just around the corner, but do we really need to create another driver vs cyclist thread?

If it breaks the rules - close it mod. If it doesn't and you've nothing usefulto add - why bother?

beauf

Slattsy wrote: »

Good enough for him.

If a cyclist touched my Audi (not white) i'd give him a dig too.

Don't pander to stereotypes what ever you do....

07Lapierre

beauf wrote: »

Don't pander to stereotypes what ever you do....

She could shout at me anytime!

beauf

Of course the real issue is they aren't wearing hi vis.

happytramp

Slattsy wrote: »

Good enough for him.

If a cyclist touched my Audi (not white) i'd give him a dig too.

Bit of a Sunday World buzz in here. I'm off.

Lawr

frozenfrozen wrote: »

It wasn't the driver it was the passenger. The cyclist was in the wrong. Yes it's a bike area, but right before the light was due to turn green the bike filters to the front, past all the other lined up cyclists, straight in front of the car in it's path. The car repositions so it can drive off when the lights go green, and the cyclist loses it thinking he's entitled to be on the road more than the car driver. And then there's the bloody chase, with the clear intention of confronting the driver, he stops, and shouts expletives into the car in an aggressive manner, then gets a smack from the passenger of the audi, and cycles away with his tail between his legs. It's ridiculous that the side of the cyclist is taken by anyone, he was clearly looking for confrontation.

ror_74 wrote: »

They were shoaling. The driver was trying to get around him while he had a chance.

It looked like the cyclist hit the car door or window. Thats a bad idea in any case, never mind if a driver is already irritated.

If you can't approach some politely to tell them they had done something wrong, don't bother at all. Looks like the cyclist was in the wrong by first shoaling, then abusing the driver for being annoyed at the fact the cyclist was in the wrong to begin with.

I agree that the cyclist was overly aggressive, but there's a difference between verbal abuse and physical abuse. The latter is against the law and prosecutable. The point that frozenfrozen and ror_74 seem to miss is that the staging area where ror_74 identified cyclists as shoaling is there for cyclists to gather. In Ireland, the rule of the road is that drivers allow cyclists in this area to get under way safely before moving forward themselves. Those cyclists were not blocking traffic, they are doing what they are supposed to do: stage and go. The traffic behind is supposed to wait until they are well under way and out of danger.

on_the_nickel

So proud to be a human.

BorneTobyWilde

The car was so much faster than the bike.

endacl

As a cyclist and a motorist, well ... neither of those represent me.

That video is what happens when ar5eholes collide.

BorneTobyWilde

Cyclist was '' omg you entered my box how dare you :eek::eek::eek::eek: I'm so mad , I'm gonna chase you and teach you a lesson''

07Lapierre

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The car was so much faster than the bike.

Not fast enough.....couldn't escape an irate cyclist.

beauf

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The car was so much faster than the bike.

Until the first red light, then the second....

But yeah I don't see the point of going in front of car. Let them go ahead and out of you way.

PrettyBoy

Cyclist got what he deserved.

Idiot.

BorneTobyWilde

07Lapierre wrote: »

Not fast enough.....couldn't escape an irate cyclist.

0.39 onwards needs some epic chase music...

ashleey

ThisRegard wrote: »

Cause you were punching cyclists?

I knew someone would say that right after I pressed 'submit'! (And, no I wasn't!)

Tenzor07

This should be interesting so, RTE 1 on Sunday

endacl

Tenzor07 wrote: »

This should be interesting so, RTE 1 on Sunday

I left this elsewhere earlier in the week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/r4choice

Well worth a listen.

furiousox

I wonder if it was a woman driving the car?
Might explain the reaction from the male passenger.

pelevin

The Smiths' "I Started Something I couldn't Finish" comes to mind. . . . Actually a quick google of the lyrics and it's kind of loosely more apt than I'd expected.


The lanes were silent
There was nothing, no one, nothing around for miles
I doused our friendly venture
With a hard-faced
Three-word gesture ["You f****** P***k"]

I started something
I forced you to a zone
And you were clearly
Never meant to go [a couple of interpretations of this possible]
Hair brushed and parted
Typical me, typical me
Typical me
I started something
...And now I'm not too sure

I grabbed you by the guilded beams
Uh, that's what tradition means
And now eighteen months' hard labour
Seems...fair enough . . . [Ah but will the shame-faced cyclist come forward.]

Kintarō Hattori

furiousox wrote: »

I wonder if it was a woman driving the car?
Might explain the reaction from the male passenger.

Nope- it was a fair haired man wearing a white/light coloured shirt and a grey jumper.

07Lapierre

A white Audi? No wonder the cyclist was angry!

NS77

There's no winners there really, is there?

If I had a go at every driver that encroached into the advance stopping zone, I'd never get home

italodisco

From a cyclist view the cyclist got what he was looking for. You dint really see it on vid but just as he gets to the car the second time you just barely catch a glimps of him banging the window aggressively so what did he expect .

Cyclist are worse than cars , from an honest cyclists point of view that I's.

Lumen

italodisco wrote: »

Cyclist are worse than cars

You put forward a compelling case.

Pinch Flat

italodisco wrote: »

from an honest cyclists point of view that I's.

You want my view as a fellow honest cyclist? there are ar$eholes in all modes of transport. If you look for trouble, you'll get it.

CramCycle

Lawr wrote: »

I agree that the cyclist was overly aggressive, but there's a difference between verbal abuse and physical abuse. The latter is against the law and prosecutable.

So is the former, they are both forms of assault, just one is easier to prosecute than the other but they are both assault and both illegal.

buffalo

beauf wrote: »

But yeah I don't see the point of going in front of car. Let them go ahead and out of you way.

What's the point of any advanced stop box then? It's a defined space for cyclists to assemble while waiting for a light change, instead of sitting in car drivers' blind spots, or on the inside of buses and HGVs. Moving into an ASB ahead of a car makes you more visible to drivers behind, who are then more aware of your presence, and can alter their driving behaviour to compensate.

italodisco

Pinch Flat wrote: »

You want my view as a fellow honest cyclist? there are ar$eholes in all modes of transport. If you look for trouble, you'll get it.

Very true , I just don't like the way fellow cyclists really go out of their way for trouble .

I've seen it many times , they see a car pulling out in front of them with a good bit of warning but continue full speed ahead, jam on breaks and read the riot act to driver.... These efffers make us regular cyclists look like idiots .

The art of it is to keep a cool head. Someone driving into a cycle lane at lights isn't a major end of days problem .... Asshole yes sure but not worth getting aggro over .

It's bad enough that drivers have meltdowns over little things , one point of cycling is to avoid all that nonsense !

italodisco

In fairness though I think the cyclist, being the big man he thought he was , should of at least thrown a punnch Back ....just to keep nature in balance lol

NS77

italodisco wrote: »

I've seen it many times , they see a car pulling out in front of them with a good bit of warning but continue full speed ahead, jam on breaks and read the riot act to driver.... These efffers make us regular cyclists look like idiots .

The art of it is to keep a cool head. Someone driving into a cycle lane at lights isn't a major end of days problem .... Asshole yes sure but not worth getting aggro over .

Fair point - but there's a fine line between being inconvenienced and having your life threatened, regardless of what mode of transport you use.

Take the driver who pulled out in front of me on South Richmond Rd before Christmas, without looking - I had to slam on the breaks in that occasion, otherwise I was straight into her drivers door, or over the bonnet....

Or the transit driver yesterday morning who, although ~10 cars (stopped at lights)/~50 meters from a junction along the Grand Canal, still had to pull into the cycle lane for an upcoming left turn, forcing me onto the pavement.

Not blindly defending cyclists here... it's a two-way street so-to-speak, if everyone played by the rules and had respect for each other, we'd all get along just fine!

italodisco

Indeed, I drove in today and at two separate intersections I got a green light , proceeded to drive through only to be side cut by cars coming through the intersection from the red light side 5 seconds after it turned red for them..... Yes I felt the rage , it was strong, real strong .... Wonder how the cyclist beside me felt lol he got some fright.
Junction of ncr and summerhill (sunset house ), notorious for it