Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

Jamie2k9

JCX BXC wrote: »

It's just unusual that Shannon Airport havent published it themselves.

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/about-us/latest-news/latest-news/17-01-18/shannon_group_records_positive_growth_in_2016.aspx

Most airports just round off numbers, guess the official will be uploaded here eventually:

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/about-us/traffic-figures.aspx

windy shepard henderson

More protests expected around the airport over the week . While I support some of the reasons behind the protest I think it gives the place a bad rep...will it affect numbers if it continues over the year ??

Shannon757

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

More protests expected around the airport over the week . While I support some of the reasons behind the protest I think it gives the place a bad rep...will it affect numbers if it continues over the year ??

Usually you can just ignore them. I'm sure they do damage the reputation a bit to visitors when it's the first thing they see when they come in though.

JCX BXC

You always have a few green peace looneys picketing around.

In regards to this one, you'd wonder why they're protesting at Shannon and not Dublin, considering the main gateway is Dublin.

notharrypotter

JCX BXC wrote: »

You always have a few green peace looneys picketing around.

In regards to this one, you'd wonder why they're protesting at Shannon and not Dublin, considering the main gateway is Dublin.

No news outlet would bother with them if they tried it at Dublin.

JCX BXC

EI711 Heathrow-Cork diverted to Shannon earlier.

Ennisman

Another weather diversion.

lockman

Given that there will be a ~6% reduction in capacity (or almost 100K seats, see post #3538) Shannon will have a big challenge ahead of it in 2017 trying to reach the levels of 2016, never mind recording any growth.

Brennans Row wrote: »

There were 1,749,367 passengers recorded at Shannon last year (Wikipedia).

JCX BXC

lockman wrote: »

Given that there will be a ~6% reduction in capacity (or almost 100K seats, see post #3538) Shannon will have a big challenge ahead of it in 2017 trying to reach the levels of 2016, never mind recording any growth.

The figure was 85,000 seats according to your last post.

Aer Lingus - Lanzarote increased,
Ryanair - Lanzarote increased to 2pw for full summer season.
United - Chicago increased daily over the whole season
Aer Lingus - Birmingham daily
Aer Lingus - Change of Heathrow slots, likely to make route much more popular.
Aer Lingus to Edinburgh runs a full season this year.

This was not accounted for in that article either, some of which only occurred after it's publication.
Numbers will stagnate, maybe fall a little, but the airport shouldn't do too badly.

What is good is that the airport now seems to be relying on more sustainable growth, eg SAS and Lufthansa are much more sustainable than Ryanair, who will chop routes down and then increase them next year.

Also, I note that Manchester is the only route not on sale for next winter with Ryanair. Chopped?

lockman

JCX BXC wrote: »

The figure was 85,000 seats according to your last post.

Aer Lingus - Lanzarote increased,
Ryanair - Lanzarote increased to 2pw for full summer season.
United - Chicago increased daily over the whole season
Aer Lingus - Birmingham daily
Aer Lingus - Change of Heathrow slots, likely to make route much more popular.
Aer Lingus to Edinburgh runs a full season this year.

This was not accounted for in that article either, some of which only occurred after it's publication.
Numbers will stagnate, maybe fall a little, but the airport shouldn't do too badly.

What is good is that the airport now seems to be relying on more sustainable growth, eg SAS and Lufthansa are much more sustainable than Ryanair, who will chop routes down and then increase them next year.

Also, I note that Manchester is the only route not on sale for next winter with Ryanair. Chopped?

Re: 85000 figure - That is why I said 'almost 100K'.

The changes you mentioned (e.g. BHX daily) will go some way towards redressing the reduction in capacity.

Could Aer Lingus regional be tempted back if MAN is gone?

JCX BXC

lockman wrote: »

Could Aer Lingus regional be tempted back if MAN is gone?

Hopefully, but Stobart did operate the smaller ATR's when it had a base in Shannon. Now there is only one smaller ATR's left and the one that is left operates the PSO route.

Any base would have to have ATR 72-600's and realistically no less than 2 aircraft to make it economically realistic. Would the market support this?

Brennans Row

US ‘hurricane hunters’ based at Shannon Airport (Clare Herald)

A United States “hurricane hunter” aircraft is currently based in Ireland and undertaking weather reconnaissance missions in Irish airspace.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Lockheed WP-3D Orion, also known as “Kermit”, arrived in Ireland on January 20th where, along with its 19-person crew, is based at Shannon Airport.

A spokesman for NOAA confirmed the aircraft and crew will conduct scientific research in Ireland until departure later this month.

hobie14

Brennans Row wrote: »

US ‘hurricane hunters’ based at Shannon Airport (Clare Herald)

A United States “hurricane hunter” aircraft is currently based in Ireland and undertaking weather reconnaissance missions in Irish airspace.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Lockheed WP-3D Orion, also known as “Kermit”, arrived in Ireland on January 20th where, along with its 19-person crew, is based at Shannon Airport.

A spokesman for NOAA confirmed the aircraft and crew will conduct scientific research in Ireland until departure later this month.

Sounds like they picked a good time to go Hurricane hunting .....

Biscay
Gale Warning: Gale warning issued 3 February 09:41 UTC (Open)
Southwesterly violent storm force 11 decreasing severe gale force 9 imminent, then increasing hurricane force 12 later
Wind
Westerly or southwesterly, becoming cyclonic at times severe gale 9 to violent storm 11, occasionally hurricane force 12 in south.
Sea State
High or very high.
Weather
Rain or showers.
Visibility
Poor, occasionally very poor.

highlydebased

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/233656/shannon-airport-boss-has-ambitious-plans-for-expansion.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Shannon Airport boss has ambitious plans for expansion
GROWTH OF AIRPORT IS ‘CRUCIAL TO REGION’S FUTURE'

ALMOST half of all foreign direct investment in Ireland can be found within 60 miles of Shannon Airport, Shannon Group chief executive, Matthew Thomas explained when he addressed a full meeting of Limerick City and County Council about airport expansion plans.

But compared to other airports, the numbers living in the region is low. The figures for Shannon are 700-800,00 people while the figure for Liverpool is 7m, he said.

“Passenger numbers are a function of how many people live and work in the region,” he continued.

“We need to be very focused on bringing people into the region.”

He outlined some key points to achieve that: increasing inbound flights; focusing on routes with proven demand; targeting “business” routes with hub connectivity.

“Connectivity to the States is pretty good but connectivity with Europe is not so good,” he said and the key lies with hubs such as Paris and Frankfurt.

“We are the mouthpiece of the region,” Mr Thomas said, adding that they were working to “instil confidence” in airlines that were risk averse to start new routes.

A new route is a bridge to a new market, he said, and we need to recognise the opportunities for tourism.

Meeting the needs of Irish passengers travelling abroad for leisure purposes was also crucial in increasing passenger numbers.

“We’re working hard to get everyone to fly Shannon and not go up the road to Dublin,” he said.

But, he told the councillors, there was a need to look at what inbound visitors were getting,

Visitors from the US, Europe and Britain contribute €36m to the local economy, Mr Thomas said. But Limerick loses out compared with Clare, he explained, welcoming 79,000 visitors compared to 131,000.

“We need to focus minds on what we need to do to develop the Limerick tourism product,” he said.

The tourism product is brilliant but maybe not so well packaged, he argued.

“There is no doubt the trend is towards more frequent short breaks. We need to make tourism here very very easy for people,” he said.

Short break customers generally don’t hire cars and easy access is crucial. If people fly into Shannon they are highly likely to stay in the Shannon Region, the West or the South West, he argued.

“In-bound customers don’t really see county boundaries. They see it as the West. How we market ourselves will be important.”

People are looking for “experiential tourism”, Mr Thomas said and he would like to see that grow. But he spoke too of a tendency to “preserve our heritage by not bringing people near it”. The challenge, he argued, was ‘how can we best preserve our heritage by showcasing it”.

Mr Thomas also spoke of Shannon Group’s progressive role in developing its property portfolio and of the risks facing the airport at macroeconomic level such as Brexit.

The growth of Shannon Airport is crucial to the region, he said. But a regulatory framework is required to ensure improved connectivity outside Dublin where a new runway is expected by 2020.

JCX BXC

I read that earlier, it's great to see the new CEO is growth driven, not stagnation driven.

We can see how the airport has focused on more reliable carriers and connectivity already with the new SAS and Lufthansa routes.

Balf

highlydebased wrote: »

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/233656/shannon-airport-boss-has-ambitious-plans-for-expansion.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Do we know the basis of his claim on FDI?

What's on my mind is this

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/dublin-ranked-third-in-the-world-for-foreign-direct-investment-1.2905816

Should Shannon be on that list?

Good to have a growth strategy, but also good to base it on reliable evidence.

JCX BXC

Shannon has handled 3 diversions today due to poor weather.

BE653 Birmingham (BHX) - Knock (NOC)
FR7073 Porto (OPO) - Dublin (DUB)
FR9431 Rome (CIA) - Dublin (DUB)

JCX BXC

Balf wrote: »

Do we know the basis of his claim on FDI?

What's on my mind is this

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/dublin-ranked-third-in-the-world-for-foreign-direct-investment-1.2905816

Should Shannon be on that list?

Good to have a growth strategy, but also good to base it on reliable evidence.

You may want to read the article as well.
"ALMOST half of all foreign direct investment in Ireland can be found within 60 miles of Shannon Airport, "

60 miles, which encompasses all of Shannon, Limerick, Ennis and Galway, all which have a nice share of foreign direct investment, as well as penetrating well into Co.Tipperary 35-40% could well be almost half, it is an agenda based speech after all leaving almost 60%-65% between Dublin and Cork and other parts of the country.

Balf

JCX BXC wrote: »

You may want to read the article as well.
"ALMOST half of all foreign direct investment in Ireland can be found within 60 miles of Shannon Airport, "

60 miles, which encompasses all of Shannon, Limerick, Ennis and Galway, all which have a nice share of foreign direct investment, as well as penetrating well into Co.Tipperary 35-40% could well be almost half, it is an agenda based speech after all leaving almost 60%-65% between Dublin and Cork and other parts of the country.

I know its "agenda based". But does that mean he can just make stuff up?

I did a bit of Googling and found this:

http://www.thejournal.ie/rural-jobs-2982453-Sep2016/

There seems to be about 187,000 IDA jobs - which is basically the FDI sector.

As you anticipate, about 60% of them are in Dublin & Cork.

To be "nearly half", you'd need a figure of something like 80,000. Less than 16,000 jobs are in the Mid West region - less than 10% of the total. Even if you started cutting chunks out of other regions, you'd be hard put to find another 60,000 jobs to add to that.

Jamie2k9

Not related but FR launching Kerry-Berlin...

highlydebased

Lots of demand for Berlin from SW region, more than a 2pw shannon service can cater for.

Probably a distant warning shot to Lufthsansa too!

Jamie2k9

highlydebased wrote: »

Lots of demand for Berlin from SW region, more than a 2pw shannon service can cater for.

Probably a distant warning shot to Lufthsansa too!

Partly accept you point but:
1 - It's winter and both schedules could be interesting
2 - Hahn and Weeze didn't work from both SNN/KIR, HHN was left to KIR with Weeze left to SNN.
3 - It's been around 3 years since FR deal with SNN, could it be ending soon? I really don't think LH come into it here.

Masala

highlydebased wrote: »

Lots of demand for Berlin from SW region, more than a 2pw shannon service can cater for.

Probably a distant warning shot to Lufthsansa too!

Will both Shannon & Kerry have Berlin services for the Winter???? That 4 flights a week over the Winter....is there enough demand from Germany for same???

Isn't the Lufthansa a Saturday-Only services and is starting next Summer???

Brennans Row

Proposed Wide-Bodied Aircraft Paint Hangar (Clare Co Co)

Brennans Row

United Airlines flight UA972 from Chicago to Brussels diverted to Shannon this morning.

Brennans Row

British Airways flight BA1 from London City via Shannon to JFK seems to have a problem?

JCX BXC

Tech Issue affecting EPTOS developed, waiting for a decision by the company.

Update: Continuing to New York.

Shannon757

JCX BXC wrote: »

Tech Issue affecting EPTOS developed, waiting for a decision by the company.

Update: Continuing to New York.

Via Gander

JCX BXC

Shannon757 wrote: »

Via Gander

Via St.Johns actually.

Ennisman

Flight plan changed then. BA confirmed they would refuel in Gander.