Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

Cookiemunster

golfball37 wrote: »

Shannon Group do not own Plassey Ind Park.

Strange that they have it listed on their list of properties then isn't it?

https://www.shannonproperties.ie/property/national-technology-park-limerick/

On the same site

Shannon Commercial Properties is the new organisation responsible for the property portfolio previously held by Shannon Development. For over 50 years Shannon Development pioneered business growth and enterprise initiatives in the Shannon Region.

It set new standards, nationally and internationally as it developed and implemented programmes for Irish industry and devised commercial and tourism concepts such as the Shannon Free Zone, The National Technology Park Limerick and Bunratty Castle & Folk Park. The work Shannon Development did transformed the social and economic landscape of the entire region, creating a vibrant, dynamic and diverse enterprise community. We hope to work as a team to build on these achievements.

Deagol

golfball37 wrote: »

Shannon Group do not own Plassey Ind Park.

https://www.shannonproperties.ie/property/national-technology-park-limerick/

That would seem to indicate otherwise?

JamesBond2010

Even the tiny industrial estate out the old cork Road they own as well.

Brennans Row

Major expansion at MeiraGTx’s Shannon facility (Clare Herald)

MeiraGTx Holdings plc, a vertically integrated, clinical-stage gene therapy company, has confirmed plans for a multi-million euro expansion in its Shannon facility.

The plasmid production facility is expected to be operational by year-end 2020, while the viral vector manufacturing facility is expected to be operational by year-end 2021.

The facility at Shannon Freezone Business Park, Co. Clare comprising 8,300m2 in two separate buildings will be designed to meet global regulatory requirements, including the cGMP required by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The unit at Shannon will be used for the manufacture of MeiraGTx viral vectors for gene therapies and the plasmid DNA that is one of the starting materials in viral vector production.

The advanced redevelopment of the blocks K & L is paying off and hopefully the manufacturing will generate air freight for the airport too.

Brennans Row

BA-owner IAG to raise 2.75 bln euros in capital increase (Reuters)

LONDON, July 31 (Reuters) - IAG, owner of British Airways, said it planned to raise 2.75 billion euros in a capital increase backed by its biggest shareholder Qatar Airways, to strengthen its finances after the pandemic wiped out the travel market.

The airline group, which also owns Iberia and Aer Lingus, reported an operating loss of 1.365 billion euros for the second quarter, broadly in line with a consensus forecast for a loss of 1.395 billion euros.

Aer Lingus job cuts could affect future viability of Cork and Shannon airports (Irish Examiner)

The viability of Cork and Shannon airports is under threat as Aer Lingus carries out a review of its operations which could put hundreds of jobs at risk.

The scale of the crisis — which will have a significant impact on business across Munster — has led to calls for the Government to bail out the aviation industry, which has been devastated by the Covid-19 crisis.

Including ground staff and cabin crew, Aer Lingus employs around 350 people at the two airports, with over half of those employed in Cork.

The five year period for retaining the Heathrow slots for Shannon flights as part of the Aer Lingus sale deal to IAG has now expired.

IAG is raising new capital to finance its operations so what will happen to these slots?

Brennans Row

Shannon - Commercial Movements (IAA)

|Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Sept|Oct|Nov|Dec|Total
2015|1,253|1,026|1,277|1,454|1,725|2,169|2,058|1,728|1,780|1,645|1,283|1,312|18,710
2016|1,222|1,128|1,390|1,488|1,807|2,031|2,032|1,834|1,839|1,698|1,353|1,327|19,149
2017|1,291|1,215|1,429|1,446|1,776|1,975|1,949|1,885|1,778|1,796|1,440|1,316|19,296
2018|1,301|1,200|1,368|1,575|1,829|2,098|2,104|1,949|2,066|1,858|1,385|1,369|20,102
2019|1,246|1,087|1,320|1,444|1,836|1,951|1,976|1,843|1,974|1,738|1,254|1,191|18,833
2020|1,221|1,179|691|261|238|322|850||||||
Change|-2.0%|+8.5%|-47.7%|-81.9%|-87.0%|-83.5%|-67.2%||||||

RocketRaccoon

Delta going the way of United. Pulled out for the foreseeable future.

JamesBond2010

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Delta going the way of United. Pulled out for the foreseeable future.

delta are screwed for money
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/delta-asks-3000-flight-attendants-to-take-unpaid-leave-cnbc-2020-08-07-0

RocketRaccoon

I'm sure AA won't be far behind in stopping their service which is a shame as they are scheduled to use a 787 next summer.

JamesBond2010

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

I'm sure AA won't be far behind in stopping their service which is a shame as they are scheduled to use a 787 next summer.

You know what they are like if delta is gone they be gone, they were not very long operating last year were they??

RocketRaccoon

JamesBond2010 wrote: »

You know what they are like if delta is gone they be gone, they were not very long operating last year were they??

I THINK they did April - October last year but don't remember for sure.

Poxyshamrock

Arrived in last Sunday on a full Ryanair flight from Gatwick. Can’t understand why Aer Lingus are so reluctant to restart their flights to LHR...even a couple of days a week.

Deagol

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

Arrived in last Sunday on a full Ryanair flight from Gatwick. Can’t understand why Aer Lingus are so reluctant to restart their flights to LHR...even a couple of days a week.

Yeah - I know a few people who are having to go to Dublin like myself to get to places further which requires a non point to point airline. Very frustrating.

On the other hand, I came back today from EDI-DUB with EI on an ATR72 with 9 pax.

Avoation1091

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

Arrived in last Sunday on a full Ryanair flight from Gatwick. Can’t understand why Aer Lingus are so reluctant to restart their flights to LHR...even a couple of days a week.

Its still on sale on the EI website from 14th of Sept. Hopefully it will re start that day. FR are flying daily to STN now as well so hopefully theres demand there.

Poxyshamrock

Avoation1091 wrote: »

Its still on sale on the EI website from 14th of Sept. Hopefully it will re start that day. FR are flying daily to STN now as well so hopefully theres demand there.

Afaik it was originally supposed to be the end of August but is now the Sept 14th.

BHX - SNN was due to resume in September too but now the earliest date is mid October.

nthclare

Shannon Heritage got great news today, it's all over the media.

Hopefully they'll find a new home too and get back to the number 1 spot for the foreseeable future...

Great news for the Midwest

Clareman

https://www.clareecho.ie/funding-granted-to-keep-bunratty-castle-folk-park-and-king-johns-castle-open-for-rest-of-2020/

Funding granted to keep Bunratty Castle & Folk Park and King John’s Castle open for rest of 2020

kilburn

nthclare wrote:

Hopefully they'll find a new home too and get back to the number 1 spot for the foreseeable future...

New home ?

ongarboy

Grounded: Delta joins United Airlines in pulling its Shannon-New York link as demand plummets

https://www.independent.ie/business/world/grounded-delta-joins-united-airlines-in-pulling-its-shannon-new-york-link-as-demand-plummets-39469180.html

Not good news unfortunately!

Berty

Demand is low as well because Trump administration still will not allow visitors to the USA. I have future needs to fly to the USA and other EU countries but I'm just not allowed by both DFA advice and also by the Trump administration. At present, although a nuisance(when allowed) will have direct flights out of Dublin as I really don't want to use the UK(from SNN) for the USA as I lose pre clearance. It is much easier to transit with United through Newark. Often I arrive in at one gate and 40 mins later my flight can leave from the gate next to it.

In one way I'm well able to conduct work my MS Teams and travel can be a burden so maybe business demands might also drop in the future because of a new way of working. I can see a higher demand on United, if they return in 2021 because Delta won't be back until 2022.

golfball37

Berty wrote: »

Demand is low as well because Trump administration still will not allow visitors to the USA. I have future needs to fly to the USA and other EU countries but I'm just not allowed by both DFA advice and also by the Trump administration. At present, although a nuisance(when allowed) will have direct flights out of Dublin as I really don't want to use the UK(from SNN) for the USA as I lose pre clearance. It is much easier to transit with United through Newark. Often I arrive in at one gate and 40 mins later my flight can leave from the gate next to it.

In one way I'm well able to conduct work my MS Teams and travel can be a burden so maybe business demands might also drop in the future because of a new way of working. I can see a higher demand on United, if they return in 2021 because Delta won't be back until 2022.

A neighbour of mine flew to Chicago from Dublin last week.

golfball37

Clareman wrote: »

https://www.clareecho.ie/funding-granted-to-keep-bunratty-castle-folk-park-and-king-johns-castle-open-for-rest-of-2020/

Funding granted to keep Bunratty Castle & Folk Park and King John’s Castle open for rest of 2020

Shannon Group management are seething over this imagine. I have this first hand from an employee. They are digging in saying they need more and now implementing further cuts on their lowest paid workers. The padded management are going nowhere though.

Berty

golfball37 wrote: »

A neighbour of mine flew to Chicago from Dublin last week.

Depends on the Visa you can travel on or your final destination. You can transit through the US, have a H1B visa or any other non ESTA type Visa.

The US immigration website is quite clear on the rules since March though, basically says "don't come from UK/Ireland"(amongst others)

Brennans Row

golfball37 wrote: »

Shannon Group management are seething over this imagine. I have this first hand from an employee. :eek:

That is probably the most absurd thing I have heard in a while.

Shannon Group welcomes €2.6 million funding for Shannon Heritage (Shannon Group)

Welcoming the funding announcement, following its submission to Government for support for its Shannon Heritage business, Mary Considine, CEO, Shannon Group said: “The announcement by Hildegarde Naughton, Minister of State for International Road Transport and Logistics of €2.6 million funding to enable us keep our Shannon Heritage sites open to the end of December is very welcome.

“The ongoing impact of the Covid-19 pandemic has been devastating for our heritage business which is hugely dependent on international visitors. With visitor numbers to our owned sites down -80% year-to-date on last year, we sought Government funding to support us through this unprecedented crisis.

“Today’s announcement is great news, not only for our employees at Bunratty Castle & Folk Park and King John’s Castle, but for the mid-west tourism industry. We know the importance of these sites to tourism in the region. We would like to thank Minister Naughton, the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, and the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform for this much needed support.”

golfball37

PR spin, actions speak louder than words. They are still putting out false info on visitor numbers this past few weeks when the car park has been full in Bunratty.

Because of this funding they have to keep it open, they do not want to and are cutting salaries further now in background

Brennans Row

I have the impression that a number of Clare politicians are pushing their own political ideologies at the expense of the airport.

Chairman of Save our Shannon Airport, Denis Vaughan (Labour) has questioned the financial risks associated with developing a €18m specialist aircraft painting hangar adjacent to Shannon Free Zone.

Over 150 jobs were created during the 14 month construction phase.

“No other investors saw a commercial opportunity to invest in a new hanger in any Irish airport over the last twenty years.

We wonder what risk analysis was undertaken to justify an absolutely gigantic hanger for painting an aircraft which has ceased production and where only 36 aircraft are owned by European airlines,” he said.

That's embarrassing stuff from a guy who considers himself qualified enough to be chairman of this action group.

It is a wide-bodied aircraft paint hangar with the capability to accommodate multiple aircraft types up to an Airbus A380.

International Aerospace Coatings whose European Headquarters is in Shannon has to my knowledge leased these two hangars from the Shannon Group.

It's no wonder he has not organized a rally yet after two failed attempts.

The same guy has called on the Government to accept the Medical assistance on offer from the Cuban communist government to help fight the Covid-19 epidemic.

Does he belong to the far-left wing of the Labour party?

Violet-Anne Wynne (Sinn Féin) has stated that the decision to separate Shannon Airport from the Dublin Airport Authority in 2012 has proved a disaster.

Sinn Féin, along with the trade union movement, opposed the separation then and, unfortunately, the passenger traffic numbers pre-Covid vindicated our stance.

It is now time for the government to admit their failure and agree to the amalgamation of Shannon Airport under the DAA once again.

She conveniently forgets how Shannon's passenger numbers collapsed from 3.6 million to 1.4 million under the DAA.

I wonder would this Laois woman support her parties stance on stopping USA government and military aircraft from using Shannon?

Would she be prepared that Shannon could lose its US Pre Clearance facility as result of that or that it could undermine US foreign investment that keep thousands in work in the Mid-West?

I'm for an 100% Shannon based operation free from the Dublin orientated DAA.

kilburn

I wouldnt be surprised she forgot about the Airports numbers collapsing to be fair she also forgot important details around a tenancy she had..........

golfball37

No fan of her but separation HAS been a disaster for Shannon. Before covid it was a shambles.

JCX BXC

golfball37 wrote: »

No fan of her but separation HAS been a disaster for Shannon. Before covid it was a shambles.

How exactly? Passenger numbers increased, upgrades completed and new routes established.

How is Shannon worse (pre covid) than it was in 2019?

VillageIdiot71

Brennans Row wrote: »

She conveniently forgets how Shannon's passenger numbers collapsed from 3.6 million to 1.4 million under the DAA.

I've no particular opinion on the structure, but is it fair to say the expectation was that Shannon would boom once independence was granted? There was a genuine belief by many that there was untapped potential just waiting to be released. And that hasn't happened.

The comparison is being made to Cork, which remained under DAA management.

Everyone's traffic collapsed after 2008. In Dublin, passenger numbers fell from over 23 million in 2008 to 18 million in 2010. In Pre Covid 2019 Dublin was serving nearly 33 million; 10 million more than its previous peak - the increase is more than Cork and Shannon combined have ever served, so that's just new business - not business taken from anyone else in any meaningful sense.

Shannon traffic collapsed from a peak of 3.6 million in 2007 (under DAA managment - but I guess we'll all know the partial stopover regime was still in place) to 1.4 million in 2012. It has never reached 2 million passengers in eight years of independent management.

Cork traffic, under DAA, has never fallen below 2 million passengers. Cork (pre Covid) serves nearly a million more passengers than Shannon.

Now, clearly the stopover distortion has a relevance. And if Shannon was still under DAA management, and serving the same number of passengers as Cork, you can be sure people would be talking about how Dublin was holding them back. But the facts suggest otherwise.

Can I say, I think politicians are making unrealistic statements as if new routes can, in some way, be diverted from Dublin to Shannon. That's a yearning for the old stopover regime - which just can't be done again. You simply can't require an airline to (say) land half its new flights in Shannon. Nonsense to be talking as if you can.