Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

Airbus330

Carnacalla wrote: »

Anything to put down hopes of a service isn't it?

Yup. Pointless statements it's laughable at this stage

JCX BXC

Anyway the full Ryanair winter schedule is now published. TFS will be operated instead of FUE and BVA is cut to 2.

Going through the scheduling, I note that every day has 2 based aircraft next winter, including Wednesday, unlike last winter.

There are gaps in the schedule on:

Tuesday: From 14:40, 1 aircraft is not utilised.
Wednesday: From 09:40, 1 aircraft is not utilised.
Thursday: From 09:40, 1 aircraft is not utilised and from 14:40, both aircraft are not utilised.
Friday: 1 Aircraft not utilised until 10:05 (ideal for a Manchester service)
Sunday: From 17:50, 1 aircraft is not utilised

JCX BXC

Airbus330 wrote: »

Believe we touched on this before The 757 operated the SNN-ATL route up until it ended. Never know, if their JFK service performs well again this year there might be a chance.

However it would be great to see a West Coast route (via a fifth freedom right approved carrier..)

I recall that it was also AerRyan who brought it up the first time!

That fifth freedom right is rather iffy, we'd be up against fierce competition from Dublin for the small amount of potential carriers.

Airbus330

Carnacalla wrote: »

Anyway the full Ryanair winter schedule is now published. TFS will be operated instead of FUE and BVA is cut to 2.

Going through the scheduling, I note that every day has 2 based aircraft next winter, including Wednesday, unlike last winter.

There are gaps in the schedule on:

Tuesday: From 14:40, 1 aircraft is not utilised.
Wednesday: From 09:40, 1 aircraft is not utilised.
Thursday: From 09:40, 1 aircraft is not utilised and from 14:40, both aircraft are not utilised.
Friday: 1 Aircraft not utilised until 10:05 (ideal for a Manchester service)
Sunday: From 17:50, 1 aircraft is not utilised

Yeah something must be squeezed in? Not like Ryanair to have aircraft just parked up 😛

Wonder why the Paris route never did well again?

Airbus330

Carnacalla wrote: »

I recall that it was also AerRyan who brought it up the first time!

That fifth freedom right is rather iffy, we'd be up against fierce competition from Dublin for the small amount of potential carriers.

This is true, but if the rumours are true and EI recommence the Dub-Lax route next summer then SNN would be a great alternative, and even convince them to use CBP seen as they won't be using it in Dub..

JCX BXC

Airbus330 wrote: »

Yeah something must be squeezed in? Not like Ryanair to have aircraft just parked up 😛

Wonder why the Paris route never did well again?

Its in Beauvais. That's the problem.
Heard the LF was just over 50% during the winter (only rumours), so capacity decrease seems sensible.

JCX BXC

Airbus330 wrote: »

This is true, but if the rumours are true and EI recommence the Dub-Lax route next summer then SNN would be a great alternative, and even convince them to use CBP seen as they won't be using it in Dub..

Won't happen, Ethiopian are moving alot of stopovers to Dublin soon so look to be there for the long haul.

They probably won't use CBP in Dublin because its alot of Hassel to remove all passengers from the plane and then U.S vet them. What then if they cannot gain access to the U.S.A?

Airbus330

Carnacalla wrote: »

Won't happen, Ethiopian are moving alot of stopovers to Dublin soon so look to be there for the long haul.

They probably won't use CBP in Dublin because its alot of Hassel to remove all passengers from the plane and then U.S vet them. What then if they cannot gain access to the U.S.A?

Very true. Forgot about the Dub-Ethiopia leg of it as well..

Jamie2k9

Airbus330 wrote: »

This is true, but if the rumours are true and EI recommence the Dub-Lax route next summer then SNN would be a great alternative, and even convince them to use CBP seen as they won't be using it in Dub..

Yes because US staff would open SNN's facility for longer, they cut the hours last time. 2.5 hours longer would require a lot of staff to clear up to 1,000 passengers in an hour.

They have the option to use it at DUB but are not currently.

ET said SNN were not that interested in securing ET LAX service when they announced DUB.

Plenty of room fro ET/EI on LAX at DUB for the simple reason, ET won't have massive amounts of seats to fill ex DUB and EI will have feed from UK and Europe.

JCX BXC

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Yes because US staff would open SNN's facility for longer, they cut the hours last time. 2.5 hours longer would require a lot of staff to clear up to 1,000 passengers in an hour.

I'm sure rhw U.S staff would open it for longer, providing they had something to do. Currently there's no point in having the CBP open an extra 6 hours for 20ish passengers.

Airbus330

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Yes because US staff would open SNN's facility for longer, they cut the hours last time. 2.5 hours longer would require a lot of staff to clear up to 1,000 passengers in an hour.

They have the option to use it at DUB but are not currently.

ET said SNN were not that interested in securing ET LAX service when they announced DUB.

Plenty of room fro ET/EI on LAX at DUB for the simple reason, ET won't have massive amounts of seats to fill ex DUB and EI will have feed from UK and Europe.

Bull****. ET never said that. Where's is your evidence? Shannon had been pursuing ET for some time and lost out to Dublin in the end.

And yeah they would open it if they had the passengers your constant dismissal of Shannon is kind of hilarious at this stage. You never have sources to back up your claims and pretty much everything you say is incorrect.

Jamie2k9

Airbus330 wrote: »

Bull****. ET never said that. Where's is your evidence? Shannon had been pursuing ET for some time and lost out to Dublin in the end.

And yeah they would open it if they had the passengers your constant dismissal of Shannon is kind of hilarious at this stage. You never have sources to back up your claims and pretty much everything you say is incorrect.

ET did said it, search Travel Extra back in Jan or Feb, the exact works were DUB wanted them more than SNN even though SNN were first talking to them.

I'm sure rhw U.S staff would open it for longer, providing they had something to do. Currently there's no point in having the CBP open an extra 6 hours for 20ish passengers.

Not because US won't provide additional staff, the current numbers at SNN I believe wouldn't be enough.

Jamie2k9

Airbus330 wrote: »

Bull****. ET never said that. Where's is your evidence? Shannon had been pursuing ET for some time and lost out to Dublin in the end.

And yeah they would open it if they had the passengers your constant dismissal of Shannon is kind of hilarious at this stage. You never have sources to back up your claims and pretty much everything you say is incorrect.

They had no active plans to fly to DUB and SNN was more interested in the beginning!

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/kS9Im8TZce/Tewolde_GebreMariam_-_How_Dubl.html?

Airbus330

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They had no active plans to fly to DUB and SNN was more interested in the beginning!

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/kS9Im8TZce/Tewolde_GebreMariam_-_How_Dubl.html?

Your right I stand corrected on this one.

But basically SNN lost out to DUB in the end when they recognised the potential of the Dub-Lax route and Addis Ababa.

knockon

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Somehow I knew it would be this easy.

Post of the year

Brennans Row

Friends of Shannon Airport have a twitter account and they have launched their own website too.

JCX BXC

Brennans Row wrote: »

Friends of Shannon Airport have a twitter account and they have launched their own website too.

Also Facebook, which Is probably the most important.

highlydebased

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They had no active plans to fly to DUB and SNN was more interested in the beginning!

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/kS9Im8TZce/Tewolde_GebreMariam_-_How_Dubl.html?

Interesting snippet. If only we could hear everything from the horses mouth

Brennans Row

A United Airways flight UAL972 has diverted to Shannon (Chicago to Brussels) this morning.

**** Update ****

Medical emergency forces jet diversion (Clare Herald)

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Brennans Row wrote: »

A United Airways flight UAL972 has diverted to Shannon (Chicago to Brussels) this morning.

Medical emergency.

Brennans Row

‘Tourism mecca’ Munster wins at inaugural awards (Irish Examiner)

Rewarding innovation in tourism initiatives at home and abroad, the inaugural Irish Tourism Industry Awards, held last night in Dublin’s Doubletree Hilton, identified a dozen winners from over 330 entries.

. . . . and Shannon Airport took home the award for best international access initiative.

Brennans Row

I just compiled all the diversion incidents recorded here on this thread into a table.

It’s an interesting list made up from small corporate jets, military planes and commercial aircraft, including two A380.

I mentioned in a previous post that circa 300,000 flights between Europe and North America pass through Irish controlled airspace.

Since, Shannon acts as a diversion airport for aircraft encountering technical or medical emergencies over the Atlantic.

Could not the IAA pencil in some of the €2 million costs for this 24/7/365 service into their charges?


Period Post Reason Airline Aircraft Route
2015-04 1670 Medical United Airways B777 Chicago – Brussels
2015-04 1643 Medical British Airways B777 London – New York
2015-04 1535 Air Rage Air Canada B777 Frankfurt – Toronto
2015-03 1502 Medical United Airlines B757 Dublin – Washington
2015-03 1462 Fumes British Airways B777 Caribbean – London
2015-03 1357 DAA Fog US Airways A330 Philadelphia – Dublin
2015-03 1357 Smoke Condor B767 Frankfurt – Cancun
2015-03 1327 Medical Thomson Airways B737 Dublin – Lanzarote
2015-03 1242 Hydraulics US Air Force KC135 Atlantic
2015-03 1220 Engine US Air force C130 Atlantic
2015-01 1175 Fuel System Constellation C-Jet New York – UK
2015-01 1160 Medical Jet2.com B757 Leeds – Tenerife
2014-12 1055 Medical British Airways B747 New York – London
2014-12 1053 Fire Alarm Air France B747 Santo Domingo – Paris
2014-11 937 Snow Open Skies B757 Paris – New York
2014-11 937 Medical Austrian Airlines B767 Vienna – New York
2014-11 925 Engine British Airways B777 Seattle - London
2014-11 922 Generator British Airways B777 London – Boston
2014-11 832 Medical American Airlines B757 Manchester – New York
2014-11 829 Fuel Stop Air Canada A319 London – Newfoundland
2014-11 805 Medical Delta Airlines A330 Atlanta – Amsterdam
2014-10 770 ? United Airlines B777 Paris – Chicago
2014-10 751 Medical Aer Lingus A320 Dublin – Lanzarote
2014-10 748 Medical Turkish Airlines A330 New York – Istanbul
2014-09 675 Fire Alarm Atlas Air B747 Miami – Amsterdam
2014-09 668 Hydraulics Elit’Avia C-Jet New Jersey – Paris
2014-09 662 Engine KLM Dutch Airlines A330 Caribbean – Amsterdam
2014-09 650 Medical Virgin Atlantic A340 New York – London
2014-09 649 Engine Execujet C-Jet London – British Columbia
2014-09 626 Medical United Airlines B767 Paris – San Francisco
2014-08 572 Medical Delta Airlines B767 Amsterdam – Atlanta
2014-07 493 ? United Airlines B767 Munich – New York
2014-06 458 Standby British Airways B747 London – Miami
2014-06 442 Crew Hours British Airways A380 Los Angeles – London
2014-05 370 Navigation US Airways B767 Zurich – Philadelphia
2014-05 241 Medical Thomson Airways B767 Orlando – Manchester
2014-05 232 Air Rage Condor Airlines ? Frankfurt – Cuba
2014-04 215 Medical Alitalia B777 Rome – New York
2014-04 215 Fuel Leak US Navy C130 Atlantic - US
2014-03 103 Fire Alarm Cargolux B747 Puerto Rico – Maastricht
2014-02 78 Engine US Air Force KC135 US – England
2014-02 78 Air Rage Air Transat A330 Paris - Montreal
2014-02 73 Medical Air France A380 Los Angeles – Paris
2014-01 0 Air Rage Delta Air Lines A330 Barcelona – New York

highlydebased

Fair play for compiling that. Be interesting to see the total numbers diverting in owing to fog/wx at Cork/Knock/Dub too

Davys Fits

BR Thats an interesting table. It costs money to keep a strategic asset like Shannon open 24/7 but it is the duty of the state to make the facility available. I'm sure though that the diversions are a good money spinner and the airport and region gains financially from them.

elastico

There was a Virgin 747 in shannon one morning about 2 weeks ago.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Brennans Row wrote: »

Could not the IAA pencil in some of the €2 million costs for this

Interesting list, showing the diversity of traffic.

But won't Shannon be charging those aircraft for landing? In any event, as you know, there's no IAA requirement on airports to be open 24/7. There's just one tangental reference in one IAA document that does not amount to an obligation - as no airport can guarantee to be operational at all times.

But I think the main point is Shannon is surely paid by those Airlines for the valuable service rendered. I don't think the IAA has any obligation to gift a service to those Airlines.

Jhcx

swissport handle most diversions so part is charged for that to send an agent to assist the arrival aircraft, should the a/c need to be deboarded maybe 2+ agents will be required handing out lrv's and what not should the stop over be longer. It must be very expensive for airlines to stop there. with shannon charging landing and ramp fee's, swissport charging handling fee(unless that in conjunction with snn) and any emergency units called

Jamie2k9

Nothing requiring SNN to open 24/7 besides the A380 DUB could cope if SNN wasn't open. Hoping for IAA to foot a bill is beyond ridiculous.

Johnboy1951

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Interesting list, showing the diversity of traffic.

But won't Shannon be charging those aircraft for landing? In any event, as you know, there's no IAA requirement on airports to be open 24/7. There's just one tangental reference in one IAA document that does not amount to an obligation - as no airport can guarantee to be operational at all times.

But I think the main point is Shannon is surely paid by those Airlines for the valuable service rendered. I don't think the IAA has any obligation to gift a service to those Airlines.

Your point was addressed in the article .....

“Actual diversions are relatively infrequent and do not materially defray the costs of round-the-clock operation”.

Jamie2k9

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Your point was addressed in the article .....

Given it's only 6 hours 12-6 with no scheduled flights the real costs are on the airport, when your charging Ryanair 1 euro per passenger something has to give....