Indicating after an overtake

corktina

bigroad wrote: »

Its good practice to do it and its safer.Non use of indicators shows up a lazy driver.

HOW is it safer,? You just passed someone so therefore you are moving further ahead of them , so you aren't going to impede them,and the ROTR say you should drive in the left-most available lane, so it is obvious you are going to pull back in.

I was taught NOT to do it, but then that was in the UK and what do they know? Not like they see a lot of traffic is it.

GTE

corktina wrote: »

HOW is it safer,? You just passed someone so therefore you are moving further ahead of them , so you aren't going to impede them,and the ROTR say you should drive in the left-most available lane, so it is obvious you are going to pull back in.

I was taught NOT to do it, but then that was in the UK and what do they know? Not like they see a lot of traffic is it.

I have never seen a nerve get hit like that over something so insignificant, even by Motors standards.

bigroad

Well what happens when a motorbike comes up your inside at speed for whatever reason.Its safer because you are doing everything in Your power to be safe.
Its not what you can see its what you dont see is the problem.

HJL

dgt wrote: »

One flash normally does it for me. If it can be seen through the black smoke is another thing

I do the same, one quick flick so the car i just over took knows im not turning off the road to the left, and a possible car further up knows im not continuing to plough on on the wrong side of the road.

corktina

bigroad wrote: »

Well what happens when a motorbike comes up your inside at speed for whatever reason.Its safer because you are doing everything in Your power to be safe.
Its not what you can see its what you dont see is the problem.

How would a motorbike do that with whatever you overtook in the way?

corktina

QUOTE=bbk;88645193]I have never seen a nerve get hit like that over something so insignificant, even by Motors standards.[/QUOTE]

what?

mathepac

corktina wrote: »

HOW is it safer,? ...

Making other road users aware of your intentions is never a bad thing and makes for a safer environment for everyone.

corktina wrote: »

... You just passed someone so therefore you are moving further ahead of them , so you aren't going to impede them,and the ROTR say you should drive in the left-most available lane, so it is obvious you are going to pull back in...

This is what the ROTR says (interpreting current Irish Road Traffic laws )

"The law requires you to signal your intention of doing things on the road. This means signalling properly before moving off, turning right or left, changing lanes, overtaking, slowing down or stopping. You must signal clearly and in good time"

corktina wrote: »

... I was taught NOT to do it, but then that was in the UK and what do they know? Not like they see a lot of traffic is it.

Their laws certainly don't govern road traffic here. Maybe it's time to read the ROTR in full?

corktina

The ROTR don't govern traffic either.....of course you knew that

pippip

I was told not to.

Instructor said you can give people the impression you are turning when you are not.

mathepac

corktina wrote: »

The ROTR don't govern traffic either.....of course you knew that

I'd accept that, the book is aimed more at drivers and human road users than at cars and bikes which can't read.

The Backwards Man

One flick left, one flick right, one flick left again and then a blast of the hazards.

born2bwild

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Not on a motorway.

Not on an Irish motorway.

GreeBo

pippip wrote: »

I was told not to.

Instructor said you can give people the impression you are turning when you are not.

So then why indicate before you start the overtake?
People might think you are turning right and not overtaking at all!

cython

corktina wrote: »

HOW is it safer,? You just passed someone so therefore you are moving further ahead of them , so you aren't going to impede them,and the ROTR say you should drive in the left-most available lane, so it is obvious you are going to pull back in.

Unfortunately you're driving in Ireland now, where many people seem not to know that you should keep in the left-most lane, and so they nearly do a double take when someone actually drives appropriately. As a result if overtaking on a motorway or DC I would always indicate when moving back left, as it may be less than obvious to many of the morons out there!

On a single carriageway, as already noted it's abundantly clear that you can't (realistically) persist with driving on the wrong side of the road indefinitely, so don't see the need to explicitly indicate back in.

ironclaw

pippip wrote: »

Instructor said you can give people the impression you are turning when you are not.

I'm struggling to think of a situation where if you are to the extreme right of someone, they would believe that if you indicated left, you would be turning left i.e. Passing in front of them and continuing to the left to turn.

I was always taught to signal my intentions. I signal when a road is completely empty. Sounds stupid saying it but I don't see why you wouldn't. A few people here have used the word 'assume' to describe what another driver should be thinking. Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups. You have to drive like everyone around you is an utter moron as the vast majority are.

Supergurrier

Always do.

Its common sense really, assume nothing indicate everything.

Paco Rodriguez

As challengemaster said, I don't think people will expect you to continue to drive on the right all the time.

Plus people might think im turning left ahead so I only indicate at the start of the manoevre.

Noccy_Mondy

On standard roads anyway, excluding motorways, you are supposed to signal left if all 4 wheels of the car cross the white line. If overtaking, for example, a parked car on the street, usually only 2 wheels cross the line, so there is no need to indicate left. When overtaking, you aren't supposed to signal left and move back into your own side until you can see the car you're overtaking in your centre mirror. That's the proper way anyway.

Mycroft H

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

As challengemaster said, I don't think people will expect you to continue to drive on the right all the time.

Plus people might think im turning left ahead so I only indicate at the start of the manoevre.

I'd have my indicator on for a good while depending on what I'm overtaking. Gives plenty of notice to what's in front/behind me.

Let's say there is a cyclist in front of me. I'll pop on the indicator even if it's not clear yet. Let's the person know behind me that there is a slower vehicle in front of me and as soon as it's safe to overtake, mirror, move and boot down. :pac:

Same with slower cars/tractors/lorries etc. Depending on the situation. If people think I'm turning left, what of it? Not going to change what I'm doing.

YbFocus

I always do, I think common sense dictates a quick Flash to show your intention.
We're not talking a full 8-10 second indication for turning off the road. But just allowng one or two flashes.

Nothing should be taken for granted in the "where else am I going" kind of way!

dudara

I also love the people who indicate only after they've started to overtake. Why bother in that situation?

I do indicate my return to the "lesser" lane (be it driving lane or first overtaking lane) when on a DC/TC/Motorway. I find myself doing it even on a regular road, probably because it's become force of habit.

vibe666

Yes I do. There's a reason it'd called an 'indicator'. You are indicating to other road users that you are changing lane, regardless of how obvious you think it is to everyone else on the road as you can't always be 100% sure that everyone else on the road is paying attention to what you are out have been doing.

You could be the best driver in the world, but you can't be sure that everyone else is and you can't stop other people from being idiots, so make a point of doing it all the time and pretty soon it will become habit and you'll do it automatically and if the worst goes happen, if you indicated your intentions and you obeyed the RotR, it can't be used against you, especially if you were caught on camera, which is becoming increasingly likely in the emerging dashcam age.

No Pants

I indicate before overtaking and after overtaking. I know that it's not strictly necessary after overtaking, but it's more about keeping up the habit of checking my left mirror and indicating.

vibe666

Mirror, signal, manoeuvre. Simples.

r3nu4l

challengemaster wrote: »

Nope. Always make sure I'm a good bit past the car before moving back over, but in all honesty - where the fluich do they think I'm going to go? Continue driving on the wrong side of the road?

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

No, its obvious to all cars around I am re-merging.

Really? I think you'd be surprised. First you have the numpties who speed up when you try to overtake so indicating at least lets those morons know that you intend to merge back into the driving lane and gives them the chance to stop being complete pillocks.

Secondly, some people are just idiots. Never assume that they will know what you are going to do. I'd rather they thought I was turning left and actually slowed a bit more than not realise I intended to merge again.

cormie wrote: »

The reason the instructor at the time told me was so not to confuse the drivers behind as they may think I'm then about to turn left ahead for example. I've just followed that since and never felt the need to change it.

Goes to show the standard of teaching. I was told to always indicate after overtaking. During my test I had only one fault and that was when the instructor thought I hadn't looked in a mirror when approaching a roundabobut. (I had looked)

corktina wrote: »

I was taught NOT to do it, but then that was in the UK and what do they know? Not like they see a lot of traffic is it.

The woman across the road from me (here in England) is a driving instructor and we had this conversation in the New Year when I returned from Christmas in Ireland, about differences in standards of driving between the UK and Ireland. One of my bugbears was lack of indication on roundabouts in Ireland and we got talking about indicating in general. She told me that she instructs people to indicate in all cases when the car changes lane, on multi-carriageway and single-carriageway roads. So the differences between instructors is not just an Irish thing by the looks of it.

CramCycle

cormie wrote: »

I was told not to when I was doing my pre-test on a single lane road based on the fact that it should be obvious you're going to return to the lane considering the lane you're driving in when doing the overtaking manoeuvre isn't actually a lane that you should be driving in.

Driving on Irish roads, what is obviously going to happen and what actually is going to happen are two completely different things alot of the time.

corktina wrote: »

I was taught NOT to do it, but then that was in the UK and what do they know? Not like they see a lot of traffic is it.

I was told in the UK that not indicating was incorrect as you are changing lanes, even if it is obvious and the Police will pull you for it as it indicates you are not concentrating/aware.

pippip wrote: »

Instructor said you can give people the impression you are turning when you are not.

Where do they think you are going to turn? In front of them, so they will be expecting you to be in front of them soon, so if they were planning on speeding up, they know it is a bad idea and adjust their behaviour accordingly.

r3nu4l wrote: »

She told me that she instructs people to indicate in all cases when the car changes lane, on multi-carriageway and single-carriageway roads. So the differences between instructors is not just an Irish thing by the looks of it.

That was my understanding as well, you are still changing lanes during an overtake so you still indicate. It also shows your intentions (I have seen cars doing multiple overtakes at once on the N81 so what is obvious is not always what happens or cars turning left mid over take/just after).

kippy

I always do it....single or multilane. Its a goo habit to get into.

ironclaw

I've witnessed people in the UK and USA being pulled by police for failing to indicate. And I agree with it.

If you don't, its kinda like when you are in a lane for turning left for example and don't indicate. How often have you seen someone go straight on or completely ignore the road markings in such a situation? Is it 'obvious' what they intend to do? This is a classic example:

http://goo.gl/maps/FXURs

Left lane is left turn only, right lane is straight on. 9 times out of 10, if someone isn't indicating in the left lane I exercise a bit of caution and about 50% of the time they just drive straight on. So to be honest the 'obvious' argument holds no weight. You assuming the other person can read your mind and your also assuming everyone else is a great driver who would do what you would in the same situation. Both really dangerous assumptions in my opinion. Most cars have '3 flash' indicator stalks, just tap them after you check your mirror. Done.

Del2005

vibe666 wrote: »

Yes I do. There's a reason it'd called an 'indicator'. You are indicating to other road users that you are changing lane, regardless of how obvious you think it is to everyone else on the road as you can't always be 100% sure that everyone else on the road is paying attention to what you are out have been doing.

You could be the best driver in the world, but you can't be sure that everyone else is and you can't stop other people from being idiots, so make a point of doing it all the time and pretty soon it will become habit and you'll do it automatically and if the worst goes happen, if you indicated your intentions and you obeyed the RotR, it can't be used against you, especially if you were caught on camera, which is becoming increasingly likely in the emerging dashcam age.

The ROTR aren't a law to be obeyed. You only get in trouble for not obeying the Statutes. If it's not illegal due to Statute then it doesn't matter how many videos of the act are available there is nothing that can be used against you.

stoneill

ironclaw wrote: »

I'm struggling to think of a situation where if you are to the extreme right of someone, they would believe that if you indicated left, you would be turning left i.e. Passing in front of them and continuing to the left to turn.

I was always taught to signal my intentions. I signal when a road is completely empty. Sounds stupid saying it but I don't see why you wouldn't. A few people here have used the word 'assume' to describe what another driver should be thinking. Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups. You have to drive like everyone around you is an utter moron as the vast majority are.

You should see some of those feckers in the morning at a junction near where I live.
A single lane road up a hill becomes 2 lanes approaching junction, the left for turning left and straight on, the right for turning right only.
The left lane is much busier, with a queue, mostly wanting to go straight on.
However, quite a number of drivers think that they are entitled to rip up the right hand lane and then suddenly turn left in front of the queue.

I am amazed that no major accident hasn't taken place.
At least they use indicators though.