Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

What the **** are you on about? It wouldn't be exciting going into the last day needing a result and getting it?

No, I find it perverse that you would look forward to (find it exciting) if we only got 9 points from 8 games!

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

Reminds me of that old Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times" :pac:

Well right now it's looking like there's only 2 matches left in the season worth watching.

jonneymendoza

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe it was you getting the points confused. Which is it?

nope its others here so i used walcott as a bait for you to see what people will say.

So what is it then?

Rotate players because they are relaly tired or are players lazy?

Which one?if they are tired and wenger doesnt rotate then that is yet another reason why wenger is an average manager

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

No, I find it perverse that you would look forward to (find it exciting) if we only got 9 points from 8 games!

Stop making stuff up for ****sake.

symbolic

tayto lover wrote: »

I'll never give up but neither will I settle for mediocrity.

How do you go about not settling for mediocrity? What are you doing that other people are not?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

If anything I'd say securing 4th last season showed a bit of grit, even if it was a lovely run of fixtures that helped, not something that's been shown this season. There's still plenty of time to slip back as far as we were last season as well.
The season's over before my Paddy's Day hangover is gone. Well, assuming we don't have a complete collapse til the end of the season. If we go on a run like 10/11 (9 points in the last 8 games) we might get some excitement afterall.

Deleted User wrote: »

Stop making stuff up for ****sake.

:rolleyes:

tayto lover

Mr Blobby wrote: »

I wouldn't call challenging for the BPL and winning the FA Cup mediocre.

What would you call the 6-0, 5-1 and 6-3 then?
"Challenging" is a funny word because it is hard to quantify. I suppose we challenge until we meet real quality and then fall off and inevitably settle for fourth.
As for the Cup, it is only incidental to me. The real action is the EPL. Sure didn't Wigan win it last season and where are they now.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Where did I say I was looking forward to it. Are you really that obtuse?

omega man

Deleted User wrote: »

Ches Fabianski

Sagna
Mert
Verm
Gibbs

Flamini
KallstromArteta

Ox Gnabry
Rosicky
Cazorla

Sanogo

Can't see Kallstrom start. Ox & Chesney should sit out a game, they were awful on Saturday.

Szczesny
sagna mert TV gibbs
flamini rosicky
gnabry cazorla podolski
Giroud

Had to go with giroud cause you just know he'll score against weaker opposition. The only other consideration would be fab but went with snez to get the confidence back. Would have dropped gibbs and played Verm at LB only for kos injury.

3-0 for me.

Giroud x 2, cazorla

jonneymendoza

Mr Blobby wrote: »

I wouldn't call challenging for the BPL and winning the FA Cup mediocre.

we are no longer challenging for the BPL and tbh never did so long as we couldnt even beat any of our rivals minus a home win against liverpool.

And you speak as if we won the fa cup. We wont. We wont even reach the final. This squad and wengers ability is pathetic when it comes to must win games.

masters of bottlers.

At least we will get top 4

Mickeroo

jonneymendoza wrote: »

nope its others here so i used walcott as a bait for you to see what people will say.

You outsmarted us all!!

jonneymendoza

tayto lover wrote: »

What would you call the 6-0, 5-1 and 6-3 then?
.

Losing like that is not even Premier league standard. More like a ****ing pub team.

You rarely see bottom relegated teams get spanked that hard and even if u do, what does that prove? A team supposedly trying to so called compete with the big boys yet get spanked like we are some ****ing pub team?

How can other fans accept that?

See what wenger and the fools in the pitch done? Not only have the embassed themselves on the pitch. they have also made many arsenal fans across the board bicker and fight.

Cheers wenger. If you dont want to change your ****ing ways not bother signing a new contract.

omega man

omega man wrote: »

Szczesny
sagna mert TV gibbs
flamini rosicky
gnabry cazorla podolski
Giroud

Had to go with giroud cause you just know he'll score against weaker opposition. The only other consideration would be fab but went with snez to get the confidence back. Would have dropped gibbs and played Verm at LB only for kos injury.

3-0 for me.

Giroud x 2, cazorla

Monreal at LB?
Can't see Giroud starting.
I thought Pod was injured for some reason!

CatInABox

Deleted User wrote: »

First one is paywalled, second one says nothing new. All I could find was that some properties were sold at a 20% discount, representing a total "loss" of 4% of income, pretty piss-poor management if that was enough to put them in danger of administration. And last I checked the chances of a company making £50million profit in the last 6 years going into administration is pretty low.

Ahhh... I can't find it in a reasonable time frame, sorry.

I had thought that is was either the FT or SwissRamble that had it, but I can't see it on either.

SwissRamble, by the way, has great articles on the financial side of the club, and talk about our massive cash pile.

See here.

omega man

Deleted User wrote: »

Monreal at LB?
Can't see Giroud starting.
I thought Pod was injured for some reason!

I thought Monreal was injured too? If not then he's in for me. Giroud will score I'm positive but can't see sanogo doing the business, goals wise at least.

CatInABox

CatInABox wrote: »

Ahhh... I can't find it in a reasonable time frame, sorry.

I had thought that is was either the FT or SwissRamble that had it, but I can't see it on either.

SwissRamble, by the way, has great articles on the financial side of the club, and talk about our massive cash pile.

See here.

Yup, seen it. Still doesn't explain the lack of spending.

Sheepy99

jonneymendoza wrote: »

the other 16 teams dont expect there team to win the League or basically compete with the big teams!

Can be looked at both ways:

The positive being that at least you've no worries about falling out of Europe altogether, being stuck in a boring mid-table adventure (roughly positions 7-10) or being stuck in that stressful & unknown world of a relegation battle.

Ye lads don;t have it that bad.

The negative then being that without supporters giving out about not being satisifed with results or final position, ye could end up on a slow slippery slope into mediocracy beginning with a season outside top 4 , followed by finishing 7th, 8th.
5 seasons later ye're in a relegation fight (unheard of).

Extreme situation put forward i know, but ye're entitled to vent frustrations, just remember how good ye have it

Mr Blobby

jonneymendoza wrote: »

we are no longer challenging for the BPL and tbh never did so long as we couldnt even beat any of our rivals minus a home win against liverpool.

And you speak as if we won the fa cup. We wont. We wont even reach the final. This squad and wengers ability is pathetic when it comes to must win games.

masters of bottlers.

At least we will get top 4

Of course we were challenging ya fool! And as unlikely as it is we're still only 6pts off first.
Also I never said we'd win the cup.. But if we do then I'd count this season as a success.

And you talk about must win games like we've won none. I'd say every FA Cup match a must win game... But you're to busy calling our best ever manager "average" and "Pathetic" to see.

jonneymendoza

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Of course we were challenging ya fool! And as unlikely as it is we're still only 6pts off first.
Also I never said we'd win the cup.. But if we do then I'd count this season as a success.

And you talk about must win games like we've won none. I'd say every FA Cup match a must win game... But you're to busy calling our best ever manager "average" and "Pathetic" to see.

big IF mate lol

Spanish Johnny

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yup, seen it. Still doesn't explain the lack of spending.

Are you actually for real?? Are you seriously not aware of the financial restriction we have been under until last year or just choose to ignore it to make your arguments more valid and yourseld feel better??

Sheepy99

jonneymendoza wrote: »

nope its others here so i used walcott as a bait for you to see what people will say.

So what is it then?

Rotate players because they are relaly tired or are players lazy?

Which one?if they are tired and wenger doesnt rotate then that is yet another reason why wenger is an average manager

Phrase your frustrations differently before posting them, 2003-04, enough said

Soups123

7pts off 1st with a game in hand

Spanish Johnny

Is there a certain irony in the posters citing the manager and players for a lack of guts and belief and character are the ones throwing the towel in on the league??

jonneymendoza

Sheepy99 wrote: »

Phrase your frustrations differently before posting them, 2003-04, enough said

10 years ago. enough said

tayto lover

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Is there a certain irony in the posters citing the manager and players for a lack of guts and belief and character are the ones throwing the towel in on the league??

Do you think the players showed guts and belief last Saturday?

Spanish Johnny

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Are you actually for real?? Are you seriously not aware of the financial restriction we have been under until last year or just choose to ignore it to make your arguments more valid and yourseld feel better??

The cash reserves and the rest means we could've spent for the last 5 transfer windows. And that's without considering that transfer fees are amortised and that any short-term debt could've easily been handled with the new commercial stuff coming online.

Spanish Johnny

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Is there a certain irony in the posters citing the manager and players for a lack of guts and belief and character are the ones throwing the towel in on the league??

You think we still have a chance then?

Soups123

Supporting your team is supposed to be fun, if I got this fckin negative and moany I wouldn't bother, way too many important things in life watching football is a break from it all

Fuzzy_Dunlop

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i thought players cant play more then 1 match a week?

So what is it then? cant rotate? unable to play 1 match a week? which is it?

make a decision

Are you arguing with yourself?

Mr Blobby

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Are you arguing with yourself?

Someones got to listen :pac:

omega man

jonneymendoza wrote: »

10 years ago. enough said

Jeez if the pool lads can still live off the 05 cl win then we should still be reminding ourselves of that invincible's team, at least until someone else achieves it (unlikely!)

Sheepy99

jonneymendoza wrote: »

10 years ago. enough said

I wouldn't say that means you lose your title of being a great manager.
As an outsider he's still one of the best, his big game tactics have been horribly found out this year however.

I don't think that the 6-3 defeat to City was as bad as it's made out.
It was only in the last few minutes that they pulled away from ye, iirc ye had 2 efforts incorrectly ruled out for offside and were unlucky in some other regards. The defence didn't perform to its best that game, the heart was there.

tayto lover

Soups123 wrote: »

Supporting your team is supposed to be fun, if I got this fckin negative and moany I wouldn't bother, way too many important things in life watching football is a break from it all

I think it was Skankley who said -

Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.'

greendom

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The cash reserves and the rest means we could've spent for the last 5 transfer windows. And that's without considering that transfer fees are amortised and that any short-term debt could've easily been handled with the new commercial stuff coming online.

Cash reserves couldn't be spent over that period of time.

They had to be there as a safe guard if income dropped and the club was in a position where it couldn't pay back the stadium loans.

Sheepy99

Deleted User wrote: »

The cash reserves and the rest means we could've spent for the last 5 transfer windows. And that's without considering that transfer fees are amortised and that any short-term debt could've easily been handled with the new commercial stuff coming online.

Just genuinely curious, what new stuff?

Spanish Johnny

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You think we still have a chance then?

I do. I think theres a chance we come out of the Everton game 4 points off top and we will win our last 5 games. Whether that will be enough I am not sure.

greendom

greendom wrote: »

Cash reserves couldn't be spent over that period of time.

They had to be there as a safe guard if income dropped and the club was in a position where it couldn't pay back the stadium loans.

They need about £30million in cash reserves, they've got an awful lot more than that and have for a while.

Soups123 wrote: »

Supporting your team is supposed to be fun, if I got this fckin negative and moany I wouldn't bother, way too many important things in life watching football is a break from it all

So why don't you just post this all the time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx5n21zHPm8

Sheepy99

Soups123 wrote: »

Supporting your team is supposed to be fun, if I got this fckin negative and moany I wouldn't bother, way too many important things in life watching football is a break from it all

Try last season having to listen to clownish fans everywhere giving out about Rafa when he was more than doing well considering when he came in and the ridicule he got from Chelsea fans.

What an embarrassment that was

Spanish Johnny

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The cash reserves and the rest means we could've spent for the last 5 transfer windows. And that's without considering that transfer fees are amortised and that any short-term debt could've easily been handled with the new commercial stuff coming online.

You know or should know that is not true.

Sheepy99

Sheepy99 wrote: »

Just genuinely curious, what new stuff?

Massive improvement in Emirates sponsorship, about £20million increase per year, though not sure if that includes the kit and stadium. And rumours of an extra £10million+ per year from Puma. Been known for a few years now. Hell even last year they knew they were getting a massive increase in TV money. That increase will cover Ozil without even gong near the cash reserves.

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

I do. I think theres a chance we come out of the Everton game 4 points off top and we will win our last 5 games. Whether that will be enough I am not sure.

You're mad.

Spanish Johnny

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

You know or should know that is not true.

Which bit?

Soups123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They need about £30million in cash reserves, they've got an awful lot more than that and have for a while.


So why don't you just post this all the time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx5n21zHPm8

Great movie, I enjoyed it more than kids.

I watch a game get disappointed might carry it into the next day if it's a biggie. But that's it move on to the next game I would love to win every week and more frequent than we have but that's not going to change no matter how much I moan

I'm the exact same with my own Saturday team, it's sport

CatInABox

Emirates sponsorship went from 5.5 million a year to 30 million a year for 5 years, in 2012.

Puma replaced Nike, going from 8 million(or so, 55 million was paid up front on a ten year, 130 million deal)a year to 30 million a year, for 5 years.

These were good deals at the time, but everything changed soon after signing them.

Colonialboy

Anyone see Alan Smith on Sky sports talking about Wengers tactics.
He reckons he gets the tactics wrong for the big games against top teams. Reckons we are far too open from the off, should hold things tight.

tayto lover

Colonialboy wrote: »

Anyone see Alan Smith on Sky sports talking about Wengers tactics.
He reckons he gets the tactics wrong for the big games against top teams. Reckons we are far too open from the off, should hold things tight.

A lot of posters said that even before the Chelsea game.
I'd say Morinho smiled when he saw how we were set up.

gosplan

jonneymendoza wrote: »

nope its others here so i used walcott as a bait for you to see what people will say.

So what is it then?

Rotate players because they are relaly tired or are players lazy?

Which one?if they are tired and wenger doesnt rotate then that is yet another reason why wenger is an average manager

You really don't have a clue and quite frankly are an awful supporter. Not for your dissenting voice but rather your rediculous statements, lack of rationality and simplistic reactionary thoughts.

But before you have a go at me, which you're probably entitled to do now, can you please name the 9-10 managers better and worse than Mr Average.

Mr.Micro

People predicting 2-0 and 3-0. Not so sure about that. There are a few goals in Swansea IMO. Could be very close or a draw. I stuck my neck out the other day to suggest a draw against Chelsea,lol. Just shows how wrong one can be.

bad2dabone

i propose the Lego song be adopted as the Official Song of the thread.

for both sides of the argument.

gosplan

Colonialboy wrote: »

Anyone see Alan Smith on Sky sports talking about Wengers tactics.
He reckons he gets the tactics wrong for the big games against top teams. Reckons we are far too open from the off, should hold things tight.

Defo. Need a DMF and to focus on duties without the ball for the first 15-20 mins.

It's interesting to me that the City away game was very different from the other two. We had a go and really made a match of it. Fought to claw it back to 3-2 and then they scored straight away. It was still just 4-2 till the 88th min and ten all hell broke loose, including us being robbed a couple of times. It was swashbuckling and naive but better than the horror shows against Liverpool and Chelsea.

I really think that sending that team out to attack Chelsea from the off was a terrible move by Wenger. I've seen some people say 'well if Giroud's early chance went in, then...' but how often do Mourhino's Chelsea concede early in huge games at home.

Hopefully he'll learn from it. I don't think the team believed the other day. I think they might have believed in not conceding for the first 45 and then taking it from there.

omega man

bad2dabone wrote: »

i propose the Lego song be adopted as the Official Song of the thread.

for both sides of the argument.

"Everything is cool when you're part of a team" :pac:

COYG