Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

Pepe LeFrits

Wenger won't do what is necessary in the summer, he ALWAYS leaves the team short, there is ALWAYS a huge hole in the team. He's been doing for it for nearly a decade, he's not going to change now.

Hopefully with Ramsey back we can string some sort of run together, scrape 4th and win the FA cup. Then Wenger can retire on a relative high and the club can hope to start moving forward again.

Raf32

Raf32 wrote: »

This team would do well in the early 00's. Its a more powerful physical game now. We dont have enough athletes. Look at Liverpool, Chelsea, City and even Everton to an extent.

The English league always was a more physically demanding powerful game but then you look at Man United who won four out of five leagues from 06-07 to 10-11 and on two occasions they met Barca in the CL final and got spanked by what Gary Neville called 'a team of midgets'.

The reason Barca swept all before them is for one when they lose the ball they worked tirelessly to win it back and they had dynamism and tempo. Arsenal are full of little aimless brainless flicks and are guilty of scratching their arse when they lose the ball as poor Sagna will testify. Its like Groundhog day in the big games with them.

Alfred Borden

If i was the manager the only safe players for me would be Szc, Sagna, Mert, Kos, Ramsey, Ozil, Ox and Walcott. Rest are all disposable.

brianregan09

the thing that annoys me about today and Wenger won't see it , Is Everton beat us at our own game , the writing was on the wall at the Emirates when everton did the exact same thing but just didn't carry it into the 2nd half

brianregan09

I'd have Ox disposable as well what in the **** has he done to make him expendable

kronsington

I know it's the Daily Mail and they'll print anything but make of this what you will...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2598131/Something-smile-lads-Arsenal-subs-caught-grinning-Lukaku-Martinez-celebrate-Evertons-second-goal-dark-day-Gunners.html

cson

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Wenger won't do what is necessary in the summer, he ALWAYS leaves the team short, there is ALWAYS a huge hole in the team. He's been doing for it for nearly a decade, he's not going to change now.

Hopefully with Ramsey back we can string some sort of run together, scrape 4th and win the FA cup. Then Wenger can retire on a relative high and the club can hope to start moving forward again.

This is pretty spot on unfortunately.

While I get his "we don't buy superstars, we make them" rhetoric it's cost us. Going back years it was the GK situation; clearly he was waiting for Woj to emerge. But it cost us in the time it took him to get to the level he's at now. The patience with Diaby, cheaping out and getting Flamini for nothing, the Suarez/Higuain debacle, its been one transfer debacle after another whether its people coming in or going out.

Raf32

Raf32 wrote: »

If i was the manager the only safe players for me would be Szc, Sagna, Mert, Kos, Ramsey, Ozil, Ox and Walcott. Rest are all disposable.

Szc himself has been utter dog shít on occasion this season. Nearly got caught by Osman early on today too. Said to have been out on the town mingling the night we were after taking a thumping off Chelsea. Have no confirmation but a friend of a friend got a photo taken with him.

Mr Blobby

brianregan09 wrote: »

I'd have Ox disposable as well what in the **** has he done to make him expendable

Ox has been very good this season.
Also he's only 20 ffs!

Gringo180

Safe to say this pretty much sums up how we are all feeling at the minute.

Alfred Borden

Deleted User wrote: »

Szc himself has been utter dog shít on occasion this season. Nearly got caught by Osman early on today too. Said to have been out on the town mingling the night we were after taking a thumping off Chelsea. Have no confirmation but a friend of a friend got a photo taken with him.

tbh i only included him as a #2 and to save the arguments people would have in favour of him. Too immature and defo believe your story, would love a big solid presence that can organize his defense.

Alfred Borden

Tbh i wouldnt mind the likes of cazorla and giroud having to play in the middle of nowhere on thursday nights, might toughen them up.

keano_afc

cson wrote: »

This is pretty spot on unfortunately.

While I get his "we don't buy superstars, we make them" rhetoric it's cost us. Going back years it was the GK situation; clearly he was waiting for Woj to emerge. But it cost us in the time it took him to get to the level he's at now. The patience with Diaby, cheaping out and getting Flamini for nothing, the Suarez/Higuain debacle, its been one transfer debacle after another whether its people coming in or going out.

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Wenger won't do what is necessary in the summer, he ALWAYS leaves the team short, there is ALWAYS a huge hole in the team. He's been doing for it for nearly a decade, he's not going to change now.

Hopefully with Ramsey back we can string some sort of run together, scrape 4th and win the FA cup. Then Wenger can retire on a relative high and the club can hope to start moving forward again.

Couldn't agree more. I don't trust Wenger to spend wisely what's there. He'll do it his way because he has no alternative. 2 players signed in 3 transfer windows. Urgent needs ignored. Time to go.

Raf32

Raf32 wrote: »

Tbh i wouldnt mind the likes of cazorla and giroud having to play in the middle of nowhere on thursday nights, might toughen them up.

To be honest flogging these ponies is what has us in this situation yet again. These players should go along with the man who brought them to the football club in the first place. The way both are playing at the moment, they would struggle on a Sunday morning on hackney marshes.

Id hope that Arsenal might finish fourth but at this stage we'll only have the board and Wenger out grinning like chesire cats as if they have achieved something again. It might be high time we took our medicine.

I cant see a shrewd man like Martinez blowing it like the dysfunctional mess up the road did on the occasions they have had the opportunity.

Gringo180

kronsington wrote: »

I know it's the Daily Mail and they'll print anything but make of this what you will...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2598131/Something-smile-lads-Arsenal-subs-caught-grinning-Lukaku-Martinez-celebrate-Evertons-second-goal-dark-day-Gunners.html

Thats sickening.

Gringo180

Gringo180 wrote: »

Thats sickening.

The biggest grin of them all comes from the man who has got money for doing sweet fúck all since January.

Alfred Borden

They wouldnt do that under fergie or mourinho sadly

Soups123

brianregan09 wrote: »

the thing that annoys me about today and Wenger won't see it , Is Everton beat us at our own game , the writing was on the wall at the Emirates when everton did the exact same thing but just didn't carry it into the 2nd half

Everton beat us because there manager looked at our team and put out an 11 with tactical planning to hit our weakspots.

We put out a team. As we always do.

Tactically Wenger is a dinasour and this won't change, the game has moved on and he has fell behind.

Gringo180

Gringo180 wrote: »

Safe to say this pretty much sums up how we are all feeling at the minute.

To be fair to Chris he is genuinely well spoken most of the time and makes great points. He has just had enough of the shít that Arsenal fans have had to go through. He made another few good points at the Palace game when Kallstrom was signed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymirReTOoEs

Carragher said at the start of the season that the only ones spending money at Arsenal were the supporters and he is right.

Gringo180

Deleted User wrote: »

The biggest grin of them all comes from the man who has got money for doing sweet fúck all since January.

These players have to be the most soft and toothless bunch I have ever seen wear our great jersey. Could you imagine the likes of Adams, Keown or Vieira laughing when our opponents score the winning goal in one of the most important games in our season. There is something very serious wrong at our club.

Soups123

Soups123 wrote: »

Everton beat us because there manager looked at our team and put out an 11 with tactical planning to hit our weakspots.

We put out a team. As we always do.

Tactically Wenger is a dinasour and this won't change, the game has moved on and he has fell behind.

They say the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. Well the results have been different alright - 6-3, 5-1, 6-0 and 3-0 and also losing 1-0 at Old Trafford but the overall result has been pretty much the same. A league that could well have been winnable and yet we have been battered every time.

Soups123

A few weeks back I was on the side of I don't want Wenger out if he can move us forward and spend money .

I've gone to the I would like to see him gone camp, win the FA Cup and send him off on a high. The club needs change throughout the club the ambition threshold is too low and Wenger can't get the team to perform at the levels needed

brianregan09

We're missing this kind of enthusiasm, When have ya seen Wenger do this, Actually now that you mention it , Looking at this team how did we manage to beat Dortmund away from home

UnknownSpecies

brianregan09 wrote: »

We're missing this kind of enthusiasm, When have ya seen Wenger do this, Actually now that you mention it , Looking at this team how did we manage to beat Dortmund away from home

To be fair, the man is 64 years old :P

I think the worst thing about this season is that the title was so winnable.

Total pain.

tayto lover

What a crock of s*** from Wenger this is here. If he wouldn't question the spirit of the team he needs his head examined for sure.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26914183


"The fight [for the top four] is very open and not only dependent on us," Wenger added.
"Everton are in a strong position. We have been confronted by that before and it is down to how we respond to such a disappointing performance.
"It is a massive worry to lose a game like that. We need to go back to basics.
"I wouldn't question the spirit of the team - they are focused and want to do well, they have just lost something on the confidence front.
"It is difficult to identify if it is fear. The heavy defeats away from home have taken some of our charisma away. Is that fear, is that belief, is that confidence? Maybe a bit all together."

brianregan09

brianregan09 wrote: »

We're missing this kind of enthusiasm, When have ya seen Wenger do this, Actually now that you mention it , Looking at this team how did we manage to beat Dortmund away from home

Wenger has never done this in his 17 years but in fairness looking at the sorry shower we have had out recently i dont think he'll get much of a chance to start. There is nothing wrong with Wengers enthusiasm just his overused tactics and transfer policy.....two minor things really. :pac:

Irish Aris

tayto lover wrote: »

What a crock of s*** from Wenger this is here. If he wouldn't question the spirit of the team he needs his head examined for sure.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26914183


"The fight [for the top four] is very open and not only dependent on us," Wenger added.
"Everton are in a strong position. We have been confronted by that before and it is down to how we respond to such a disappointing performance.
"It is a massive worry to lose a game like that. We need to go back to basics.
"I wouldn't question the spirit of the team - they are focused and want to do well, they have just lost something on the confidence front.
"It is difficult to identify if it is fear. The heavy defeats away from home have taken some of our charisma away. Is that fear, is that belief, is that confidence? Maybe a bit all together."

Well, you could hardly expect him not to back his players on the record and, in fairness, that's the right thing to do.

brianregan09

Minor things.......hmmmm

tayto lover

Irish Aris wrote: »

Well, you could hardly expect him not to back his players on the record and, in fairness, that's the right thing to do.

Well he must be in the habit of talking like this with all the hammerings we've taken since New Year.
If he is talking sternly to them in the dressingroom and they're still performing like this then its time to go because they're not listening.

Wenger seems to have lost them and can't motivate anymore. The results and performance back this up.

AdamD

brianregan09 wrote: »

I'd have Ox disposable as well what in the **** has he done to make him expendable

Losing Ox would be such a ridiculous thing to do, his potential is enormous. (I await somebody to tell me we need good players now etc etc.)

cson wrote: »

This is pretty spot on unfortunately.

While I get his "we don't buy superstars, we make them" rhetoric it's cost us. Going back years it was the GK situation; clearly he was waiting for Woj to emerge. But it cost us in the time it took him to get to the level he's at now. The patience with Diaby, cheaping out and getting Flamini for nothing, the Suarez/Higuain debacle, its been one transfer debacle after another whether its people coming in or going out.

The way Courtois has developed at Atletico is what we should have done with Woj

Deleted User wrote: »

Szc himself has been utter dog shít on occasion this season. Nearly got caught by Osman early on today too. Said to have been out on the town mingling the night we were after taking a thumping off Chelsea. Have no confirmation but a friend of a friend got a photo taken with him.

Woj has been one of, if not our best player this season imo. Hes far from the problem.

I don't think like others that we need a major overhaul. 3/4 players is all, a game changing striker being by far the biggest need. We're too easy to play against atm. We also need to solve our CM problem, Wenger/new manager will need to get Wilshere and Ramsey playing cm together, they've played 100+ games, if they aren't tactically aware now its a coaching issue. Finally, we will need a left winger, a real left winger. Genuinely can't remember the last time we've had an actual left winger in the squad.

Irish Aris

Irish Aris wrote: »

Well, you could hardly expect him not to back his players on the record and, in fairness, that's the right thing to do.

He might be better to actually just apologise to the Arsenal supporters for having to witness yet another gutless display rather than protecting his little lily flowers yet again because what he is currently doing does not seem to be working.

gosplan

The team is so poor right now.

If Utd played with a midfield of Fletcher, Carrick, Fellani, Giggs and Jan behind Hernandez, we'd expect them to lose to any half decent team. It's fcuk all to do with spirit.

The team for the last few weeks has been as bad as I can remember. Really struggling to think of worse. Maybe a couple of years ago away to Barca after Cesc broke his leg?

Irish Aris

tayto lover wrote: »

Well he must be in the habit of talking like this with all the hammerings we've taken since New Year.
If he is talking sternly to them in the dressingroom and they're still performing like this then its time to go because they're not listening.

Wenger seems to have lost them and can't motivate anymore. The results and performance back this up.

Agreed.
Still, he needs to keep appearances with the press. They already are dismissive of us, imagine Wenger giving them more ground. They'd have a field day.

AdamD

AdamD wrote: »

Losing Ox would be such a ridiculous thing to do, his potential is enormous. (I await somebody to tell me we need good players now etc etc.)

The way Courtois has developed at Atletico is what we should have done with Woj


Woj has been one of, if not our best player this season imo. Hes far from the problem.

I don't think like others that we need a major overhaul. 3/4 players is all, a game changing striker being by far the biggest need. We're too easy to play against atm. We also need to solve our CM problem, Wenger/new manager will need to get Wilshere and Ramsey playing cm together, they've played 100+ games, if they aren't tactically aware now its a coaching issue. Finally, we will need a left winger, a real left winger. Genuinely can't remember the last time we've had an actual left winger in the squad.

Woj is far from the problem but his own attitude needs keeping in line too. He has made the few fúck ups and the fact he felt compelled to go socialising on a night where we had suffered a 6-0 battering in a london derby earlier that day would suggest he doesnt care for the club as much as he likes to let on he does.

Mr.Micro

Irish Aris wrote: »

Agreed.
Still, he needs to keep appearances with the press. They already are dismissive of us, imagine Wenger giving them more ground. They'd have a field day.

What he says, sounds so ridiculous though. We have had several thrashings a this season and each time we thought, we will rebound and learn? Have we? What does it take to get this team over the finishing line? It can't be wages, as they have too much of that.....a bit of pride and respect for the fans?

tayto lover

Mr.Micro wrote: »

What he says, sounds so ridiculous though. We have had several thrashings a this season and each time we thought, we will rebound and learn? Have we? What does it take to get this team over the finishing line? It can't be wages, as they have too much of that.....a bit of pride and respect for the fans?

I really feel for our away fans this season.
Imagine the long trek back from Liverpool and Manchester after spending good money to watch rubbish like that. This is their 4th long trip home after scandalous performances from our spoiled players.

kronsington

Play as they did today and Wigan will beat them at wembley next week.

gosplan

kronsington wrote: »

Play as they did today and Wigan will beat them at wembley next week.

Yup, it's terrible but I can't see any major improvement in the players that took to the field today. They've had weeks now and can't muster a decent performance.

The only hope is that Ramsey comes in and makes a difference.

Also Wigan won't be as good as Everton.

kronsington

kronsington wrote: »

Play as they did today and Wigan will beat them at wembley next week.

What should have been a great season for Arsenal has turned very very sour. Its awful depressing. The fans really are suffering at this club.

kronsington

There is huge pressure on the team now for the semi final. We know Wigan won't be as good as Everton but they will rattle us from the start and have nothing to lose. We should win but they'll know out confidence is low despite AW's repeated and nauseating garbage about our great team spirit.

Mr.Micro

gosplan wrote: »

Yup, it's terrible but I can't see any major improvement in the players that took to the field today. They've had weeks now and can't muster a decent performance.

The only hope is that Ramsey comes in and makes a difference.

Also Wigan won't be as good as Everton.

They put man city out.....

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

Yup, it's terrible but I can't see any major improvement in the players that took to the field today. They've had weeks now and can't muster a decent performance.

The only hope is that Ramsey comes in and makes a difference.

Also Wigan won't be as good as Everton.

I don't think Everton are that good at all.
We made them look good. There were so many things lacking today it's hard to get to grips with.
We can be sure that Wigan will have their homework done and will be up for the battle BUT will our lot?

Imagine this guy flew from Oz on a 24 hour flight to have to endure pure shíte against Chelsea and for Wenger to peddle shíte about team spirit really is an insult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw6ei9yMj_Q

emergingstar

I really want wenger to stay

But if his time is up

I want frank de boer

emergingstar

emergingstar wrote: »

I really want wenger to stay

But if his time is up

I want frank de boer

No buts about it, his time is up. Well never be at the top of the English game with him again.

His style of play is predictable, ineffective and actually quite boring for a man who claims to have created 'the entertainers' of the league.

emergingstar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No buts about it, his time is up. Well never be at the top of the English game with him again.

His style of play is predictable, ineffective and actually quite boring for a man who claims to have created 'the entertainers' of the league.

I don't agree his time is up

But it's all about opinions. No?

emergingstar

emergingstar wrote: »

I don't agree his time is up

But it's all about opinions. No?

Fair enough but whats your rationale for wanting to retain a man who has led us to four away hammerings this season?

TheGunns

emergingstar wrote: »

I don't agree his time is up

But it's all about opinions. No?

I'd rather he stay but if he leaves I think I'd also welcome it. Seems almost like he's out of ideas, not long ago I was extrememly optimistic but right now I feel in my gut that he will leave.

Would be a shame really for it to end like this, one last go next season wouldn't be a disaster.

emergingstar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Fair enough but whats your rationale for wanting to retain a man who has led us to four away hammerings this season?

I think last summer was the first step forward
I think he fcuked up in jan but he did so because he didn't want too loses his targets he gambled and it backfired

I think injuries cost this year more than anything

Maybe in thinking with my heart more than my head, but I love the man and I love what he done for this club

And I want him to bring us success and I think he will