Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

gnfnrhead

When is Ramsey back? It seemed like once he went down we struggled. Obviously losing Walcott and then missing Flamini recently didnt help either, but I think Ramsey was the big one.

Just thinking about that shows how well we have done to still be in contention. Our most important player this season (Ramsey) and two very important players missing and we're still there or thereabouts.

Spanish Johnny

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Cheers.

Oh what a horrible little man, just can't help himself.

Most people have seen him for what he is.

Ya I think they are beginning too. It's a parody at this stage.

The man that spent 115 million already this season and still has the gall to call out City and play themselves down while some Journos go along with that narrative. Crazy stuff!

Spanish Johnny

Pighead wrote: »

Mourinho is class. He always knows which buttons to press. And he actually seems like a nice guy beneath the cartoonish persona he puts on.

Two words that don't belong in the same sentence unless accompanied by a negative.

Pudders

An old article but this sums Mourinho up perfectly I think:

"Mourinho's loss of self-control, then, was proof of an emotional inability to accept a subservient role for another year. For all the millions of words written about his machiavellian cunning, this latest caper exposes a measure of stupidity, as well as nastiness, because he seemed to forget that every sneaky act is now recorded and pinged around the world on digital pathways. In a rational state he could not have thought that gouging the eye of a fellow professional who was in no position to see the attacker approach would enhance his already frayed reputation."

"In the fallout the respected Ottmar Hitzfeld described him as "arrogant, haughty, chewing gum and somewhat of a boor", an epithet to sit alongside the "enemy of football" label bestowed by Uefa's head of refereeing back in his Chelsea days."


http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/aug/18/jose-mourinho-violence-barca-failure

Maybe it is living in London but if Arsenal don't win the league, I don't mind anyone else bar Chelsea.

ArielAtom

Pighead wrote: »

Mourinho is class. He always knows which buttons to press. And he actually seems like a nice guy beneath the cartoonish persona he puts on.

In some peoples eyes he lost all class after poking his finger into Villanova's eye as he cowered behind someone else. I was a big fan of his until that incident. He has gone downhill in my estimation since then. Just saying.

AdamD

Can't wait to ruin his home record at Stamford Bridge

Mickeroo

I've always had a soft spot for Mourinho to be honest. He knows exactly what he's saying and doing and knows the reaction it will get and I think he's hilarious. Also, Wenger knew full well he'd get a reaction like this when he said what he said too imo.

I've missed the mind games and banter that comes with a title race, long may it continue.

monkey9

A specialist a failure!! :pac: Wenger has been at Arsenal for eighteen years and basically rebuilt a great club. Mourinho made his name at a silicon club who sacked him (a specialist at failure and always went where the money is.

He's jumping the shark lads.

wandatowell

The Journo's wont call JM out on his sh*t. If they did, they would start finding themselves frozen out by him/Chelsea. He makes headlines, headlines = money for the rags so as long as he keeps talking they will print every word.

wandatowell

or maybe Jose is pissed off Arsene is going to be paid more than him

G1032

gnfnrhead wrote: »

When is Ramsey back? It seemed like once he went down we struggled. Obviously losing Walcott and then missing Flamini recently didnt help either, but I think Ramsey was the big one.

Just thinking about that shows how well we have done to still be in contention. Our most important player this season (Ramsey) and two very important players missing and we're still there or thereabouts.

Yep. Read a stat the last day that said Ozil has an average of almost 3 key passes per game for Arsenal. That's apparently more than he had for Madrid

The problem is though that instead of Ronaldo getting on the end of them it's Giroud. But at the start of the season Ramsey seemed to be on the same wavelength as Ozil and profited accordingly. We really need Ramsey back asap. He'll finish off the chances Ozil creates for him.

wandatowell

Season-ticket holders must pay between £62 and £132 to attend the first leg of the last-16 showdown

Thats on top of the £1000-£2000 a year season ticket



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2558970/Arsenal-season-ticket-holders-boycott-Bayern-Munich-home-clash-told-pay-132-tickets.html

.jacksparrow.

Your one on sky sports:

Jose's comments were brilliant wait until you hear them.

Then the reporter, great comments from him.

Says it all about the media.

Spanish Johnny

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Your one on sky sports:

Jose's comments were brilliant wait until you hear them.

Then the reporter, great comments from him.

Says it all about the media.

Just saw that. It's a grimy game the media isn't it. Sad sad stuff.

Pighead

ArielAtom wrote: »

In some peoples eyes he lost all class after poking his finger into Villanova's eye as he cowered behind someone else. I was a big fan of his until that incident. He has gone downhill in my estimation since then. Just saying.

Hate this line of thought. He made a mistake. We all make them. His classy behaviour far far far outweighs any genuinely bad mistakes he's made. You should weigh up all the good and bad before judging him. Looks like you are taking an isolated incident in a 50 year old man's life and making a judgement.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/09/18/real-madrids-jose-mourinho-donates-most-prestigious-trophy-in-honour-of-sir-bobby-180902/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130410/real-madrid-fan-jose-mourinho/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1926869-jose-mourinhos-personal-welcome-for-journalist-returning-to-work-after-cancer

2ndcoming

In fairness to the media they love Mourinho because he constantly gives them something to talk about.

It's easy for him to mouth when all his teams cost about a billion quid also.

.jacksparrow.

Pighead wrote: »

Hate this line of thought. He made a mistake. We all make them. His classy behaviour far far far outweighs any genuinely bad mistakes he's made. You should weigh up all the good and bad before judging him. Looks like you are taking an isolated incident in a 50 year old man's life and making a judgement.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/09/18/real-madrids-jose-mourinho-donates-most-prestigious-trophy-in-honour-of-sir-bobby-180902/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130410/real-madrid-fan-jose-mourinho/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1926869-jose-mourinhos-personal-welcome-for-journalist-returning-to-work-after-cancer

Would hold some weight if he didnt poke a cancer victims eye or personally abuse people.

Do you know anyone who has ever done that? Not many would because it's a horrible thing to do.
Saving face is all that is.

Spanish Johnny

Pighead wrote: »

Hate this line of thought. He made a mistake. We all make them. His classy behaviour far far far outweighs any genuinely bad mistakes he's made. You should weigh up all the good and bad before judging him. Looks like you are taking an isolated incident in a 50 year old man's life and making a judgement.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/09/18/real-madrids-jose-mourinho-donates-most-prestigious-trophy-in-honour-of-sir-bobby-180902/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130410/real-madrid-fan-jose-mourinho/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1926869-jose-mourinhos-personal-welcome-for-journalist-returning-to-work-after-cancer

Ah come on are you serious?

I respect anyone that does all the above fair enough. But they all do it. They are in a great position of influence and wealth. All players and managers do that or similar. You could make the cynical claim it's all egotistical too.

That doesn't change others thing he does under pressure or when heated that define other aspects of his character.

I give to charity too - doesn't detract from some of the sh***y things I do too.

monkey9

2ndcoming wrote: »

In fairness to the media they love Mourinho because he constantly gives them something to talk about.

It's easy for him to mouth when all his teams cost about a billion quid also.

It's the same as answering every question with 'I like eating waffles.' It takes away from the fact he's not further ahead at the top of the league when he should be with the oil millions at his disposal.

batistuta9

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

He's a muppet. I think the lapdogs are even beginning to see through him now at this stage.

Classless is the only way to describe him.

Sad thing is you will have a few fools that will laugh away at his comment about Wenger and think it's the funniest and most truthful thing they have ever heard!

If Wenger did a European tour of the top football Clubs in the big countries and had an unlimited budget he would not only have trophies, he would have the reputation for doing it in unbelievable style.

Instead he stayed here and helped build and sustain the future of a great Club like Mourinho did at...........

that thought process of the media lapping up every thing he says as gospel is highly naive, they know exactly the kind of statements he comes out with. (if you watched MOTD last week, you'd have seen B.Rodgers and the commentator laughing when Rodgers was asked what kind of horse l'pool were. JM gets criticised/called up by a lot media people for his hypocrisy, etc.)
they also know the kind of knicker twisting responses (see the last few posts here) that he elicits, it makes their job a lot easier and probably a lot more entertaining as well - they aren't idiots blindly following jose they know exactly what it is

classless? externally maybe but look at the reactions & stories former players give of him - a highly liked, respected manager and man. a winner would be another very apt word to describe him - like it or not

if...

Spanish Johnny

monkey9 wrote: »

It's the same as answering every question with 'I like eating waffles.' It takes away from the fact he's not further ahead at the top of the league when he should be with the oil millions at his disposal.

Sorry Monkey9 you will have to retract that comment. You do realise that Chelsea are the underdogs (or underhorses - Im not sure anymore) who have only spent a mere 115 million in the past 8 months. You are getting away from Jose's narrative - not acceptable.

Pighead

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

I give to charity too - doesn't detract from some of the sh***y things I do too.

Johnny even though you have done shitty things, Pighead is convinced that deep down you're a good egg. Do you think that you're a good guy? Would you like to be judged solely on the ****ty things that you've done?

jester77

Meh, poor attempt at trolling. Look at the facts, we've built a new stadium in the middle of London, took on huge debt which left us with little to no money to play with in the transfer market, yet we still qualified for champions league every year. CL was more important to Arsenal than any trophy during those years because of the cash it was brining in.

We are now over that as of this season. If he wants to call that failure then let him. I would consider what Chelsea and City have done over the last 8 years a bigger failure given the ridiculous amounts of money they have been gifted.

.jacksparrow.

batistuta9 wrote: »

that thought process of the media lapping up every thing he says as gospel is highly naive, they know exactly the kind of statements he comes out with. (if you watched MOTD last week, you'd have seen B.Rodgers and the commentator laughing when Rodgers was asked what kind of horse l'pool were. JM gets criticised/called up by a lot media people for his hypocrisy, etc.)
they also know the kind of knicker twisting responses (see the last few posts here) that he elicits, it makes their job a lot easier and probably a lot more entertaining as well - they aren't idiots blindly following jose they know exactly what it is

classless? externally maybe but look at the reactions & stories former players give of him - a highly liked, respected manager and man. a winner would be another very apt word to describe him - like it or not

if...

Let's give Wenger over a billion and see what he can win.

Spanish Johnny

Pighead wrote: »

Johnny even though you have done shitty things, Pighead is convinced that deep down you're a good egg. Do you think that you're a good guy? Would you like to be judged solely on the ****ty things that you've done?

You're turning into Jose - referencing yourself in the third person:P:P

No I wouldn't. My point is that the criticisms of Jose as a football manager and his conduct are fair. They are made in that context. I don't think it's necessarily slating his personality or calling him a voyeur or anything like that.

That would be a classless thing to do;)

jester77

shano_88 wrote: »

I would think Arsenal fans will have plenty to discuss in about 90 minutes .....


Tweet from @darrenarsenal1


I'm guessing a new contract for Arsene....

hmm, I'm intrigued, he's saying it has nothing to do with Wengers contract. Maybe Sagnas?

GavRedKing

AdamD wrote: »

Can't wait to ruin his home record at Stamford Bridge

Better have tried and failed my lad, it'll be a team fighting for the lives that'll take the record eventually.

Alfred Borden

Its financial again. 120 million cash reserves and improving the training facilities. contracts extension for some players too.

Spanish Johnny

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batistuta9

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Let's give Wenger over a billion and see what he can win.

lets he if spends the 100mil or so he has first, eh

jester77

So, we are winning the biggest bank account league

Surely we can afford Bendtner a new contract now

Spanish Johnny

batistuta9 wrote: »

that thought process of the media lapping up every thing he says as gospel is highly naive, they know exactly the kind of statements he comes out with. (if you watched MOTD last week, you'd have seen B.Rodgers and the commentator laughing when Rodgers was asked what kind of horse l'pool were. JM gets criticised/called up by a lot media people for his hypocrisy, etc.)
they also know the kind of knicker twisting responses (see the last few posts here) that he elicits, it makes their job a lot easier and probably a lot more entertaining as well - they aren't idiots blindly following jose they know exactly what it is

classless? externally maybe but look at the reactions & stories former players give of him - a highly liked, respected manager and man. a winner would be another very apt word to describe him - like it or not

if...

If you watched Sky Sports News 30 minutes ago you wouldn't say that! Also we have said some aspects - not all and I think that is accurate.

Furthermore as I said since we are speaking about Mourinho as a manager. We judge him in that context. It's not a personal attack. In this context of being judged as a manager I believe the comments here are accurate and justified. It's Mourinho who has in the past got personal with people. I agree what you say in terms of people, players, etc but we are discussing him 'externally' as you say and I believe that is fair.

Soups123

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Let's give Wenger over a billion and see what he can win.

I can guarantee you he would bank it, make about 6.6% interest per annum

monkey9

jester77 wrote: »

Meh, poor attempt at trolling. Look at the facts, we've built a new stadium in the middle of London, took on huge debt which left us with little to no money to play with in the transfer market, yet we still qualified for champions league every year. CL was more important to Arsenal than any trophy during those years because of the cash it was brining in.

We are now over that as of this season. If he wants to call that failure then let him. I would consider what Chelsea and City have done over the last 8 years a bigger failure given the ridiculous amounts of money they have been gifted.

This right here!! Arsenal Wenger has done unreal things at Arsenal, more than Jose Mourinho is capable of. Arsenal will be successful in years to come and on their own terms, Chelsea will never be that.

AdamD

GavRedKing wrote: »

Better have tried and failed my lad, it'll be a team fighting for the lives that'll take the record eventually.

It should have been West Brom, no great shakes fighting for anything mid season.

Spanish Johnny

Good ol Arsenal:

Darren ‏@DarrenArsenal1 33s Not to state the obvious, but the cash in the bank is probably highest of any club in europe .....
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Pighead

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

If you watched Sky Sports News 30 minutes ago you wouldn't say that! Also we have said some aspects - not all and I think that is accurate.

Furthermore as I said since we are speaking about Mourinho as a manager. We judge him in that context. It's not a personal attack. In this context of being judged as a manager I believe the comments here are accurate and justified. It's Mourinho who has in the past got personal with people. I agree what you say in terms of people, players, etc but we are discussing him 'externally' as you say and I believe that is fair.

Jose is a pantomine villain at worst. You called him a muppet and classless. That is a personal attack no matter what way you try to paint it. If we are speaking solely in the context of him as a manager surely you'd have to call him a genius?

wandatowell

Why release details of how much money we have just after a transfer window when we signed one slightly above average, aging, injured player?


And especially considering how poor the team has looked recently.


Also what really annoys me is that the £120m (that took us what 8 years to build up) can be blown out of the water on a whim by City, Chelsea and Utd.

Irish Aris

Pighead wrote: »

Jose is a pantomine villain at worst. You called him a muppet and classless. That is a personal attack no matter what way you try to paint it. If we are speaking solely in the context of him as a manager surely you'd have to call him a genius?

being a good manager and being classless are not mutually exclusive. . .:rolleyes:

wandatowell

Pighead wrote: »

If we are speaking solely in the context of him as a manager surely you'd have to call him a genius?

To me he's a genius, to you he is a genius but to a genius he's no genius....

He sees where his teams are weakest and buys great players to fill the void. Something Wenger flat refuses to do.

Spanish Johnny

Pighead wrote: »

Jose is a pantomine villain at worst. You called him a muppet and classless. That is a personal attack no matter what way you try to paint it. If we are speaking solely in the context of him as a manager surely you'd have to call him a genius?

To be fair I don't meant muppet in a derogatory form if you can accept that?

And yes I believe he is a classless manager given a lot of his actions and words as one.

A great manager, tactically one of the best I would say.

However one has to accept the outstanding resources he has had since Porto. You can't ignore that.

Easy for fickle fans to belittle no trophy in 8 years. Question and honest answer:

Do you think Mourinho could have achieved what Wenger has achieved at Arsenal since we made the stadium move for 8 years?

Secondly would he have stuck at it?

For example until we bought Ozil this year Cazorla/Arshavin was our most expensive player.

Ye guys bought Schurrle on a whim this year for 5 million more than that. Basically a squad player. We built our team around guys of 10-15 million.

Pighead

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

To be fair I don't meant muppet in a derogatory form if you can accept that?

And yes I believe he is a classless manager given a lot of his actions and words as one.

A great manager, tactically one of the best I would say.

However one has to accept the outstanding resources he has had since Porto. You can't ignore that.

Easy for fickle fans to belittle no trophy in 8 years. Question and honest answer:

Do you think Mourinho could have achieved what Wenger has achieved at Arsenal since we made the stadium move for 8 years?

Secondly would he have stuck at it?

For example until we bought Ozil this year Cazorla/Arshavin was our most expensive player.

Ye guys bought Schurrle on a whim this year for 5 million more than that. Basically a squad player. We built our team around guys of 10-15 million.

Pighead's not a Chelsea fan. Dundalk fan here. Stephen Kenny is also a genius.

'However one has to accept the outstanding resources he has had since Porto. You can't ignore that.'

It is also true to say you can't ignore the Porto years.

Spanish Johnny

Pighead wrote: »

Pighead's not a Chelsea fan. Dundalk fan here. Stephen Kenny is also a genius.

'However one has to accept the outstanding resources he has had since Porto. You can't ignore that.'

It is also true to say you can't ignore the Porto years.

I don't - I rate it as his greatest achievement.

Spanish Johnny

DC ‏@DeanLDN22 1m £180m cash reserves come summer + £60m extra revenue per year on top of already growing revenues.

Spanish Johnny

Tancredi Palmeri‏@tancredipalmeri
Wenger met Van Persie agent on 28 january.Both Wenger and Van Persie wants to join back.Mufc open to that.

5..4..3..2..1..

Thread explodes:D:D

Irish Aris

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Tancredi Palmeri‏@tancredipalmeri
Wenger met Van Persie agent on 28 january.Both Wenger and Van Persie wants to join back.Mufc open to that.

5..4..3..2..1..

Thread explodes:D:D

:eek::eek::eek::eek:, really????

wawaman

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Tancredi Palmeri‏@tancredipalmeri
Wenger met Van Persie agent on 28 january.Both Wenger and Van Persie wants to join back.Mufc open to that.

5..4..3..2..1..

Thread explodes:D:D

If Sky Italia didnt report it then anything that comes out of his mouth is pure waffle. He is basically Sky Sports news in human form

shano_88

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Tancredi Palmeri‏@tancredipalmeri
Wenger met Van Persie agent on 28 january.Both Wenger and Van Persie wants to join back.Mufc open to that.

5..4..3..2..1..

Thread explodes:D:D

Isnt he a known spoofer?

greendom

From my perspective I'm looking for better than an injury prone 30 year old to lead our strike force next season. And that's before considering the traitor aspect.

Spanish Johnny

shano_88 wrote: »

Isnt he a known spoofer?

Ya has a bad reputation for some deals I think. Hit and miss like them all.

Not in favour for practical terms - his age.

Might get slated but once he left he left and I felt it difficult to generate the same level of hatred other fans have for him.

Was too lazy to boo him at the game the other night too.