Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

AdamD

Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere 22m
Just read I had a 'bust up' in training today! That's news to me! Anyway....who would mess with Flamini? #Nutter

dvemail

Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere 2m

Flam was not happy when I walked on the bus tonight! Sorry mate I promise to never disagree with you again!! #Angry

Omeceron

dvemail wrote: »

Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere 2m

Flam was not happy when I walked on the bus tonight! Sorry mate I promise to never disagree with you again!! #Angry

That's the Daily Mails back page sorted for tomorrow.

tayto lover

I'd much prefer if all the fooling around and tweeting was put to one side and the whole team were fully focussed on the game tomorrow and getting the three points. It will not be easy tomorrow.

Dolph Starbeam

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd much prefer if all the fooling around and tweeting was put to one side and the whole team were fully focussed on the game tomorrow and getting the three points. It will not be easy tomorrow.

Don't be ridiculous, would you rather everyone sitting in total silence thinking about nothing but the game?

tayto lover

YayaBanana wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, would you rather everyone sitting in total silence thinking about nothing but the game?

Yes.

gnfnrhead

YayaBanana wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, would you rather everyone sitting in total silence thinking about nothing but the game?

greendom

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes.

The thanks was for making me laugh

(Is that allowed )

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

The thanks was for making me laugh

(Is that allowed )

Yes. Some lads need to lighten up.
Their glass is always half-empty

Alfred Borden

wearethenorthbank ‏@northbanklower 16h
In the history of the Premier League, Mesut Özil has the best assists to games ratio of any player at any club, with one every 2.63 games.

Interesting

Paulegend

Raf32 wrote: »

Interesting

more like misleading

http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/84775/mesut-%C3%B6zil?cc=5739
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/mesut-ozil


http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/7935/steven-gerrard?cc=5739
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/steven-gerrard


u supposedly "past it" Gerrard playing deeper this season is having more of an impact from "the best number 10 in europe"

gerrard played 1 more game than ozil

Alfred Borden

Gerrard who played his whole career in England compared to Ozil who is here only 5 months? brilliant observation there.

Paulegend

Raf32 wrote: »

Gerrard who played his whole career in England compared to Ozil who is here only 5 months? brilliant observation there.

Gerrard at 33 and as most here would say is past it compared to ozil who is 25 and in the prime of his career.

but lets not let sense cloud your argument :rolleyes:

and its almost 6 months by the way

Alfred Borden

Paulegend wrote: »

Gerrard at 33 and as most here would say is past it compared to ozil who is 25 and in the prime of his career.

but lets not let sense cloud your argument :rolleyes:

and its almost 6 months by the way

true if i had any sense i wouldnt have responded to your attempts of a wind up in the first place :rolleyes:

Paulegend

Raf32 wrote: »

true if i had any sense i wouldnt have responded to your attempts of a wind up in the first place :rolleyes:

not trying to wind you up mate. im just saying that stats can be dolled up at times to show a player is playing better than he is.

for example carrick or even lucas have high pass completion rates. from their stats you would think they are amazing players. but stats dont tell you that their passes are often short 5 yard passes.

stats will tell you that suarez and aguero aside, coutinho has the most amount of shots on goal per game in the whole league. but that stat misses the fact he has scored only twice

stats are fluffed to make a point


not trying to wind you up. just saying that that stat doesnt show that ozil has been woeful lately. maybe he does just need a break. one or two games off before the big ones in march maybe?

Alfred Borden

Paulegend wrote: »

not trying to wind you up mate. im just saying that stats can be dolled up at times to show a player is playing better than he is.

for example carrick or even lucas have high pass completion rates. from their stats you would think they are amazing players. but stats dont tell you that their passes are often short 5 yard passes.

stats will tell you that suarez and aguero aside, coutinho has the most amount of shots on goal per game in the whole league. but that stat misses the fact he has scored only twice

stats are fluffed to make a point


not trying to wind you up. just saying that that stat doesnt show that ozil has been woeful lately. maybe he does just need a break. one or two games off before the big ones in march maybe?

sorry mate just seen others from other threads coming in here to needlessly take a dig at ozil. he has definitely underperformed and agree about the stats as Gerrard has only really turned the corner since the new year, was very poor just before christmas. Ozil definitely needs a rest though but needs pace too, hard to set up the likes of giroud who needs three chances to bury a goal.

Paulegend

Raf32 wrote: »

sorry mate just seen others from other threads coming in here to needlessly take a dig at ozil. he has definitely underperformed and agree about the stats as Gerrard has only really turned the corner since the new year, was very poor just before christmas. Ozil definitely needs a rest though but needs pace too, hard to set up the likes of giroud who needs three chances to bury a goal.

oh i have given out about ozil too. but to be honest i think it may be a little harsh. i agree from what people are saying that he is probably just burnt out. i read he is yer only mid to have played all 4 games in the last couple weeks?? thats nuts.

i really would try to rest him. get him match ready for the run in. let him play the champions league but id rest him for maybe sunderland stoke and even the fa cup game against everton. he probably doesnt need that much time but imagine a frsh ozil for bayern away then spurs chelsea and city.

my comment about gerrard was again just showing how silly stats can be. gerrard cost us a lot of goals this season. his new role up to a few weeks ago was a train wreck. he got a few assists and peno goals but in truth most where talking about dropping him. he has stepped up lately but we'll see how that goes i suppose.

its like wilshere. he gets little credit because he doesnt have a lot of assists. people downt seem to talk about the amount of assists he has for the players getting the assists. jack is usually involved in the build up and that why he gets no credit. unfortunately there is no "assisting the assister" stat.

i cant believe that wenger refuses to give podo more of a chance though. as you said ozil needs pace in the team. plus playing with mert and podo at national and club level would do wonders. certainly wouldnt do any harm trying it. i do see why frustration comes out

emergingstar

For the day that's it in

gosplan

Raf32 wrote: »

true if i had any sense i wouldnt have responded to your attempts of a wind up in the first place :rolleyes:

You really shouldn't bother. Most people in the Liverpool thread either ignore or laugh at him at this stage.

Don't see why we can't do the same.

2ndcoming

Worth noting as well that if you exclude Gerrard's penalties he has less goals from play and less assists than Ozil so I don't think it is fair to say he's having more of an impact, regardless of his 13 years more experience in the league.

Especially when he's got Chewy Luis winning pens for him theatrically every second game and we get about 3 pens a year.

L'prof

Just because I'm bored. The effectiveness of our squad is as follows!

Player Goals Assists G/A Minutes MPG/A GPG/A
Podolski 6 2 8 496 62 0.7
Chamberlain 3 3 6 491 82 0.9
Walcott 6 7 13 1202 92 1.0
Ramsey 13 7 20 2217 111 1.2
Giroud 14 7 21 2774 132 1.5
Özil 5 12 17 2647 156 1.7
Cazorla 6 3 9 2251 250 2.8
Wilshere 5 4 9 2291 255 2.8

Podolski & Chamberlain to run riot for the rest of the season

Soups123

I think we'll win comfortable today. Might see Giroud back involved.

Wouldn't mind a rest for Ozil although he could tear it up today if he plays

Green Hornet

I've a feeling that Ozil has hit rock bottom and the only way is up now. The criticism from fans, media and to some extent players alike have ensured that it can't get any worse. I think he may start to shine from here on in. Maybe it's just wishful thinking but Dennis went through something similar (although not as bad) during his early days with Arsenal and look how that turned out.

emergingstar

So sanogo wasn't injured all this time but instead was on a 4 month training programme to build him up and get him right

Marty McFly

emergingstar wrote: »

So sanogo wasn't injured all this time but instead was on a 4 month training programme to build him up and get him right

This a breaking story or something?

Edit: Just seen Arseblog

emergingstar

Marty McFly wrote: »

This a breaking story or something?

Edit: Just seen Arseblog

Wenger said it in his press conference

Be no harm saying it at the time instead of us all thinking we signed a crock

Marty McFly

emergingstar wrote: »

Wenger said it in his press conference

Be no harm saying it at the time instead of us all thinking we signed a crock

True but I'd say it be a case of damned if you do damned if you don't.

If Wenger announced it at the time you can be sure there would have been those giving out because we had signed a player who needed a 4 month bulk to be able to compete.

Wolf Club

I wouldn't mind Ozil being rested for today's game, he's played a serious amount of football since he has arrived and is our only midfielder who hasn't been injured/suspended. It's not as if we're badly stuck in his position, either. Cazorla is one of the best CAMs in the league. Him with Podolski and the Ox on either side should be fine.

dvemail

Bergkamp at his staue unveiling.

Alfred Borden

No player more deserving. Only one man more deserving since I became a fan, Arsene

.jacksparrow.

Ozil not in the squad.

Marty McFly

Prsonally I'd like to see Ian Wright get one, I know he can grate on some people but he is Arsenal through and through.

Mickeroo

Marty McFly wrote: »

Prsonally I'd like to see Ian Wright get one, I know he can grate on some people but he is Arsenal through and through.

I used to watch the video of his first 100 goals all the time.

I want to see the statue of Martin Keown pouncing on RVN! :pac:

WoollyRedHat

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Ozil not in the squad.

Link please?

.jacksparrow.

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Link please?

Some people live their links!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/21/arsenal-olivier-giroud-mesut-ozil-sunderland

Probably what he needed but lets hope the media don't have a frenzy.

dvemail

Dropping him out of the squad is nearly the worst thing that could happen to him.
Will wait to see the line ups later, as i doubt Wenger would completely omit him from the squad.

.jacksparrow.

dvemail wrote: »

Dropping him out of the squad is nearly the worst thing that could happen to him.
Will wait to see the line ups later, as i doubt Wenger would completely omit him from the squad.

Yeah actually I agree, sometimes you gotta just get out and face the music.

Soups123

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Yeah actually I agree, sometimes you gotta just get out and face the music.

Yep this just feeds the media if true, as long as he pays no attention to that **** them I'm sure Wenger will do what's right

Fuzzy_Dunlop

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Some people live their links!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/21/arsenal-olivier-giroud-mesut-ozil-sunderland

Probably what he needed but lets hope the media don't have a frenzy.

It doesn't say anywhere in that link that he's been left out of the squad?

.jacksparrow.

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

It doesn't say anywhere in that link that he's been left out of the squad?

It says it in the first paragraph?

symbolic

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Some people live their links!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/21/arsenal-olivier-giroud-mesut-ozil-sunderland

Probably what he needed but lets hope the media don't have a frenzy.

Just the Guardian saying it though? Don't see any solid quotes from Wenger to back it up. Maybe I'm just tired!

.jacksparrow.

symbolic wrote: »

Just the Guardian saying it though? Don't see any solid quotes from Wenger to back it up. Maybe I'm just tired!

I could be wrong.

Was just putting up what I had read.

Soups123

Recon there'll be recipes for this today?

Irish Aris

Could be a case of him being rested, being on the bench probably.

Anyway, we will know for sure in an hour or so.

symbolic

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I could be wrong.

Was just putting up what I had read.

Ah yeah fair enough. That kinda journalism just annoys me. Maybe they are right but be odd to not just include a quote then, anyway... come on everton!

.jacksparrow.

Is it just me or is Stamford bridge a eery depressing ground...

dvemail

Soups123 wrote: »

Recon there'll be recipes for this today?

There shall be plenty.

gnfnrhead

I'll be shocked if Özil doesnt at least make the bench.

Mickeroo

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Is it just me or is Stamford bridge a eery depressing ground...

It's the Dol Guldur to Stoke's Mordor.