Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

Mickeroo

emergingstar wrote: »

I hope they don't your prob looking at your aging 2nd choice right back on 100k for 2yrs

If he wants a 3yr contract his money should stay the same

I think you're underestimating how difficult it will be to replace him tbh. It's a standard enough wage for a player of his ability imo. He'll be well able to play at this level for a few more seasons.

emergingstar

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think you're underestimating how difficult it will be to replace him tbh. It's a standard enough wage for a player of his ability imo. He'll be well able to play at this level for a few more seasons.

I think next year could be his last as a starter

The contract costs 15m and he is 31 I think?

For an extra 5m we would be looking at a class young RB on about the same wage

I just think we should be looking to replace now

I jut remember the Southampton game where a young and energetic Luke Shaw tore sagna a new one, and I feel his best years are behind him now

I would keep him on but more on our terms

keano_afc

Its a cheap deal considering he's our 4th CB. Sign him up.

tayto lover

keano_afc wrote: »

Its a cheap deal considering he's our 4th CB. Sign him up.

I wouldn't sign him for 3 years though.
At that money we could get a new and younger r/back like Coleman.

.jacksparrow.

tayto lover wrote: »

I wouldn't sign him for 3 years though.
At that money we could get a new and younger r/back like Coleman.

Could we though?

Who knows if he wants to leave Everton.

If we paid 20 million and his wages it's a considerable bit of out budget, then maybe verm replacement, New striker and maybe midfield.

A lot easier if sagna stays so we can spend good on a striker and 3rd choice cb.

greendom

emergingstar wrote: »

I think next year could be his last as a starter

The contract costs 15m and he is 31 I think?

For an extra 5m we would be looking at a class young RB on about the same wage

I just think we should be looking to replace now

I jut remember the Southampton game where a young and energetic Luke Shaw tore sagna a new one, and I feel his best years are behind him now

I would keep him on but more on our terms

The whole Arsenal team were asleep for that 1st half. Based on that performance alone, you'd get rid of the lot of them

emergingstar

greendom wrote: »

The whole Arsenal team were asleep for that 1st half. Based on that performance alone, you'd get rid of the lot of them

Thought he got roasted all game, but your missing the point

I think we're better investing in younger RB like a luke shaw type, whose best years are ahead of him

Where sagnas best years are behind him

Soups123

We should be looking to reinforce and improve the current squad not find replacements. 100k a week is respectable for a player of his level and at 30 he easily has 2/3 years in the tank, if it was only two and the last year was rubber then its still a sound investment.

It also gives jenks 2 more years to develop, he can be horid at times but he has a lot of the characteristics needed to a full back, got to remember he had very littler experience before us and he did well for his age and experience when he got a run last year.

People calling for Coleman is a good call but he was every bit the liability defensively at Jenks age but has matured really well.

Sagna signing is a must for me.

emergingstar

I wouldn't be disappointed to see him stay

Would just rather a younger version

AdamD

I like Sagna but i don't think his performances have warranted 100k a week. Coleman's already a better player and though we'd need to pay ~15m for him, his wages would still be lower.

keano_afc

tayto lover wrote: »

I wouldn't sign him for 3 years though.
At that money we could get a new and younger r/back like Coleman.

There's no way we'd spend that money on a RB. Sagna is only 31. Got at least another 2 years at full back, then maybe 2 more at CB. Seems like a decent deal to me.

emergingstar

keano_afc wrote: »

There's no way we'd spend that money on a RB. Sagna is only 31. Got at least another 2 years at full back, then maybe 2 more at CB. Seems like a decent deal to me.

He will prob be starting only one of them seasons

So 100k for a second choice RB and 3/4 choice CB who is heading towards his mid 30s

That's a bit much for me

greendom

emergingstar wrote: »

Thought he got roasted all game, but your missing the point

I think we're better investing in younger RB like a luke shaw type, whose best years are ahead of him

Where sagnas best years are behind him

Perhaps but Wenger has learned from the past when he refused to give extended contracts to players over 30. His experience is one of the reasons we have been so good defensively this season and his versatility is invaluable. Right back, left back, centre back. He does it all with aplomb.

keano_afc

emergingstar wrote: »

He will prob be starting only one of them seasons

So 100k for a second choice RB and 3/4 choice CB who is heading towards his mid 30s

That's a bit much for me

Second choice RB to who? Jenkinson? We wont spend money on an established RB with Sagna and Jenkinson in the squad. If Sagna goes, Jenkinson wont be promoted to first choice RB next season as he's nowhere near ready. Then do we buy someone who'll be first choice? Whats that going to do to Jenkinson's confidence?

shano_88

AdamD wrote: »

I like Sagna but i don't think his performances have warranted 100k a week. Coleman's already a better player and though we'd need to pay ~15m for him, his wages would still be lower.

Coleman is having a great season and is probably a better attacking option than Sagna. Sagna is definetly a better defender though.

Saying that, Coleman would be top of my list if Sagna leaves.

batistuta9

how many games has sagna played at CB? 0 i think

he played there against sunderland away after someone got sent off, did very well but it wasn't the type of threat/match he'd normally face, it was a lot of last ditch stuff, headers out from long balls, etc. + he would've been geared up for it being down to 10 men & what 15-20 on saturday against sunderland again

i wouldn't be counting on him as a CB just yet

emergingstar

greendom wrote: »

Perhaps but Wenger has learned from the past when he refused to give extended contracts to players over 30. His experience is one of the reasons we have been so good defensively this season and his versatility is invaluable. Right back, left back, centre back. He does it all with aplomb.

I agree with that too would just rather a younger player there just my opinion though

Soups123

greendom wrote: »

Perhaps but Wenger has learned from the past when he refused to give extended contracts to players over 30. His experience is one of the reasons we have been so good defensively this season and his versatility is invaluable. Right back, left back, centre back. He does it all with aplomb.

+1

with the exception of the two obvious lapses the defense has been as good as it has been for years, why do people want to change it?

Sagna at 31 is nowhere near scrap heap material and 100k is not breaking the bank stuff, the other point is if he falls to second choice a PSG or Monaco would still buy him!

I recon Wenger is very convinced Jenks is the future so if Sagna goes thats what we will be left with and if you ask me thats a season or two too early

emergingstar

keano_afc wrote: »

Second choice RB to who? Jenkinson? We wont spend money on an established RB with Sagna and Jenkinson in the squad. If Sagna goes, Jenkinson wont be promoted to first choice RB next season as he's nowhere near ready. Then do we buy someone who'll be first choice? Whats that going to do to Jenkinson's confidence?

I think were gonna have to buy I don't think Jenks will cut it not good enough on the ball for me
Hopefully gets proved wrong though

So after next season I think we will be looking to buy a RB anyway

AdamD

It has to be taken into account that Sagna in 2 years time will not be the same as Sagna now. Hes already losing his legs. The way we play combined with the general pace of the PL means we need full backs with good pace and stamina, I doubt we'd want a 33 year old Sagna to be first choice RB so 100k pw is just too much. I also think we could improve in that position right now, nevermind in 2 years time.

Soups123

emergingstar wrote: »

I think were gonna have to buy I don't think Jenks will cut it not good enough on the ball for me
Hopefully gets proved wrong though

So after next season I think we will be looking to buy a RB anyway

I would disagree, I believe Jenks will turn into a top level FB. He has all the skill set the only things he lack is decision making.

Theo had the problem and grew into it with age, so did Coleman, Sturrdige/Sterling are doing it at pool its correction is usually experience

Soups123

AdamD wrote: »

It has to be taken into account that Sagna in 2 years time will not be the same as Sagna now. Hes already losing his legs. The way we play combined with the general pace of the PL means we need full backs with good pace and stamina, I doubt we'd want a 33 year old Sagna to be first choice RB so 100k pw is just too much. I also think we could improve in that position right now, nevermind in 2 years time.

Then he gets replaced then not now if he deteriorates.

cson

Sagna's already shown he's a capable back up centre half. Thankfully we've not had to utilise him there yet this season to the best of my knowledge.

He's experienced and is always 100% committed. I think if we're to view Carl Jenkinson as his eventual replacement then we have to keep him. Hopefully by the time he hits 33/34 it'll be Jenkinson and Bellerin duking it out for the RB slot.

As an aside; anyone know how the kids are doing? Any of them likely to make a breakthrough in the next year? Any potential Wilshere's on our hands?

AdamD

Soups123 wrote: »

Then he gets replaced then not now if he deteriorates.

Then you have a 100k pw player on the books sitting on the bench? Hardly great forward planning.

cson wrote: »

Sagna's already shown he's a capable back up centre half. Thankfully we've not had to utilise him there yet this season to the best of my knowledge.

He's experienced and is always 100% committed. I think if we're to view Carl Jenkinson as his eventual replacement then we have to keep him. Hopefully by the time he hits 33/34 it'll be Jenkinson and Bellerin duking it out for the RB slot.

As an aside; anyone know how the kids are doing? Any of them likely to make a breakthrough in the next year? Any potential Wilshere's on our hands?

Zelalem and Crowley are CMs who look very good. Doubt either will be much use for at least 18 months though, given our options in midfield.

gnfnrhead

Does Coleman not play on the right of midfield more than right back these days?

Also, looks like his contract runs to 2018. He wouldnt come cheap.

AdamD

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Does Coleman not play on the right of midfield more than right back these days?

Also, looks like his contract runs to 2018. He wouldnt come cheap.

Hes played RB for the last 2 seasons, not RM.

Soups123

AdamD wrote: »

Then you have a 100k pw player on the books sitting on the bench? Hardly great forward planning.

The forward planning is Jenkinson? I am not Arsene but I suspect thats his plan.

As for selling him now because he will deteriorate in 2 years, that doesnt make sense. For next year and the year after he is more than capable of playing first choice and being as strong in his position as there is, for me his level warrants 100k.

Mickeroo

I think Bellerin might still be at he back of Wenger's mind yet too. I'd love to sign Coleman too, but there's no way he'd go for anything less than 25m imo and I can't see them spending that much on RB. If they buy a new RB it will be someone from La Liga for 10m tops I think.

Hyzepher

There is also stability to think of. At the moment our starting back 5 have a great understanding and are just now finding the right chemistry to defend well. A new RB would have us nearly starting again.

If jenks is the answer then we would still need cover in that area and for me that would move us backwards from where we are now.

I have no doubt that AW wants Sagna to stay but he probably sees someone else in that position over the next few years and no way wants a 100k player as backup as far away as 3 years.

I wonder would he take 100k for 2 years

extra gravy

Joel Campbell starting for Olympiacos against United...would be sweet if he managed to score the winner!

dvemail

Seems Gibbs injury isn't too serious and could be back for Saturday.

AdamD

Joel Campbell!

x PyRo

We should buy that Campbell lad...

tony1kenobi

So that's Joel Campbell.

Maire2009

And we kept Bendtner??!!

bad2dabone

Welcome to London, Joel.

Gringo180

Arsene sir get on that blower and get Campbell back to the Emirates asap :pac::pac:

Pudders

How did we not take 6 points off United ffs?

jonneymendoza

x PyRo wrote: »

We should buy that Campbell lad...

His on loan and is an arsenal player

.jacksparrow.

jonneymendoza wrote: »

His on loan and is an arsenal player

Oh dear!

Maire2009

jonneymendoza wrote: »

His on loan and is an arsenal player

tayto lover

Up until the goal Campbell was quiet.

bad2dabone

Pudders wrote: »

How did we not take 6 points off United ffs?

because we lack conviction against them and they know it. we fear them. no one else does anymore but we still do.

Soups123

Gringo180 wrote: »

Arsene sir get on that blower and get Campbell back to the Emirates asap :pac::pac:

He is probably less raw than Sanogo

greendom

bad2dabone wrote: »

because we lack conviction against them and they know it. we fear them. no one else does anymore but we still do.

Missing Walcott for both matches didn't help.

AdamD

Can't say I was overly impressed with him before the goal but it was very well taken

jonneymendoza

wow how did arsenal not take 6 points off of united?

united are the worse team in the league never mind Europe. Jesus Christ has United fallen that badly?

Moyes for president. Hope he stays at united for another 6 years hehe

Looper007

tayto lover wrote: »

Up until the goal Campbell was quiet.

Which is true, nothing stood out really but great finish be a good squad player though.

Van Persie must be kicking himself now that he's now stuck in the same position now that he was with Arsenal for a few years. A team that's going through a rebuilding process, he thought he be winning medals non stop when joining Utd. Now he might not be getting CL football next season . Makes me smile. I know many will say he won a League medal but I can't see that Utd team winning anything for a few years.

CatInABox

Gnabry got a goal against Shakhtar for the under-19s too, a nice night for developing Arsenal talents.

GeorgeBailey

Maire2009 wrote: »

And we kept Bendtner??!!

Ah now. He's scored 1 goal and done little else. Not saying Bendtner's great but this proves little about Campbell's credentials.