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CM Punk Megathread

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    #1172
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Stereomaniac wrote: »
    In fairness, the WWE couldn't have known it was his wedding day, no one knew that did they?

    I thought he said he had an email or text from HHH if he was free to talk and he sent a voicemail saying he was getting married and going pn his honeymoon and then right after that he would call HHH.


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    #1173
    CSF
    Registered Users Posts: 33,137 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    RoadDogg came across well. Fascinating interview from Punk that I reckon runs a balance between fact and exaggeration.

    Realistically id still think the main reason for him leaving is the Wrestlemania main event thing.


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    #1174
    Stereomaniac
    Registered Users Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    I thought he said he had an email or text from HHH if he was free to talk and he sent a voicemail saying he was getting married and going pn his honeymoon and then right after that he would call HHH.

    Sorry guys, I did actually listen to the whole thing and forgot about this detail. I am inclined to agree with CM Punk on this thing, but, what should they have done?


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    #1175
    Concannon7
    Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Concannon7


    I'm not Punks biggest fan but those areas about health need to be looked into. Those are very serious points raised by Punk.


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    #1176
    Stereomaniac
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    Definitely. I'd imagine that the WWE doctor is under unnatural pressure from management though.


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    #1177
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    My thoughts on it.

    2 main points

    * Health
    * Not main eventing wrestlmania


    Perhaps the call to Punk from HHH was a call to tell Punk your gone?.

    I did find his rumble thing i about confusing. He had a concussion and went on. Then during the match he tells the doctor he has a concussion, he continues. They send kane to get him out early but he doesn't want to leave. Anyway that's none story as the health reasons and being overworked and other points had made the decision to leave anyway.


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    #1178
    Lord TSC
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    Stereomaniac wrote: »
    Sorry guys, I did actually listen to the whole thing and forgot about this detail. I am inclined to agree with CM Punk on this thing, but, what should they have done?

    Waited till after his Honeymoon and give him the dignity of a face to face meeting, explaining their stance. Given all the money he would have made them, given how big a player he was on TV for them, they could have chosen not to fire him via a letter on what should be the happiest day of his life....


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    #1179
    Stereomaniac
    Registered Users Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    I am sure what really happened is probably somewhere in the middle of what was reported and what Punk said in the thing yesterday. At the time weren't there all sorts of reports coming out saying that Triple H and Stephanie were raging with him, but Vince remained hopeful that some sort of resolution would be reached? Maybe I am remembering that incorrectly, but that is the idea that I had in my head all along. Anyway, if Triple H was contacting him, I would think that the tone of the conversation may have been slightly different to it Vince was calling him. I'd say the call was a "bye now."


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    #1180
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Stereomaniac wrote: »
    In fairness, the WWE couldn't have known it was his wedding day, no one knew that did they?

    I agree crappy thing to happen but no one knew so how was WWE supposed to

    Shin


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    #1181
    gimmick
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    He was marrying AJ, WWEs top diva. Of course they knew.

    If he was marrying some random you might have a point.
    CSF wrote: »

    Realistically id still think the main reason for him leaving is the Wrestlemania main event thing.

    The fact he kept going back to this would suggest so. I got the impression he felt like he was spinning his wheels and wasting time.

    Read something earlier made me giggle - yesterdays podcast was sponsored by WWE 2K15 :)


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    #1182
    Diabhal Beag
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    Aye forgot that Mercury got a bit of an outing as a grass. Especially considering Punk bought his house and paid his bills to Irish Water.


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    #1183
    hufpc8w3adnk65
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    Diabhal Beag wrote: »
    Aye forgot that Mercury got a bit of an outing as a grass. Especially considering Punk bought his house and paid his bills to Irish Water.

    Huh??


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    #1184
    gerrybbadd
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    Diabhal Beag wrote: »
    Aye forgot that Mercury got a bit of an outing as a grass. Especially considering Punk bought his house and paid his bills to Irish Water.

    Who'd he grass on previously?


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    #1185
    Diabhal Beag
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    Nah when Punk was going to FCW he only told Mercury and yet Vince found out somehow some way


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    #1186
    Ageyev
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    MrMac84 wrote: »
    Huh??
    Punk bought out his gaff when it was being repossessed.

    Can't to hear the Vince's response in the interview on Monday when Austin goes off on one about WCW firing him via Fedex while he was injured.


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    #1187
    colmufc
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭colmufc


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Waited till after his Honeymoon and give him the dignity of a face to face meeting, explaining their stance. Given all the money he would have made them, given how big a player he was on TV for them, they could have chosen not to fire him via a letter on what should be the happiest day of his life....

    I get the feeling that getting that letter only made the day better for him in the end


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    #1188
    Feed me Seymour
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    According to the latest podcast charts that interview is doing well around the world. (see itunes charts.net, cant post link cos i'm still a 'new user')

    Surely, Austin has to bring it up with Vince when they have their own podcast monday.


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    #1189
    rossie1977
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    according to reports punk got married on june 13th

    wwe moved punk to their alumni section on july 15th (they usually do this immediately upon letting someone go)...punk comments on twitter that day
    Nope, thank YOU.Thanks for all the help and support through the years. Health and happiness above all.Don't ever take any **** from anybody.


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    #1190
    CSF
    Registered Users Posts: 33,137 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    according to reports punk got married on june 13th

    wwe moved punk to their alumni section on july 15th (they usually do this immediately upon letting someone go)...punk comments on twitter that day
    I'm gonna stop short of accusing CM Punk of making up details myself, because there isn't sufficient basis to do so.

    He definitely had **** things happen to him by the hand of the WWE, but I think he has made a lot more of them because it softens the blow rather than a straight admission that he had realised (or assumed, based on your personal opinion of his future) his chance at what he valued most had passed him by.

    It's alot easier to admit it but act like it was a side reason.

    The timing of it all is too coincidental to be anything else IMO.


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    #1191
    briany
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    CSF wrote: »
    I'm gonna stop short of accusing CM Punk of making up details myself, because there isn't sufficient basis to do so.

    He definitely had **** things happen to him by the hand of the WWE, but I think he has made a lot more of them because it softens the blow rather than a straight admission that he had realised (or assumed, based on your personal opinion of his future) his chance at what he valued most had passed him by.

    It's alot easier to admit it but act like it was a side reason.

    The timing of it all is too coincidental to be anything else IMO.

    He had a Staph infection that should have killed him and that was lazily mis-diagnosed by the WWE's doctors. That's not simply a **** thing - it's very serious. Maybe it was stupid of CM Punk not to go and get a second opinion right away, but maybe also Punk was of the naive opinion that the doctors at WWE were competent and had his interests at heart, rather than simply being there to facilitate the WWE machine. Punk's shot at the main event didn't just pass him by, but he was doing all he could to convince the WWE to put him in it and they just wouldn't. They didn't see him in that spot for whatever reason that only makes sense to them. It was mounting layers of disrespect that get to a point where he couldn't lie down and take it any more.

    The most disturbing revelation of Punk's testimony is that the WWE still appears not to be an organisation that truly cares about the well-being, or indeed the very lives, of their performers so much as they care about damage control.


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    #1192
    CSF
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    briany wrote: »
    He had a Staph infection that should have killed him and that was lazily mis-diagnosed by the WWE's doctors. That's not simply a **** thing - it's very serious. Maybe it was stupid of CM Punk not to go and get a second opinion right away, but maybe also Punk was of the naive opinion that the doctors at WWE were competent and had his interests at heart, rather than simply being there to facilitate the WWE machine. Punk's shot at the main event didn't just pass him by, but he was doing all he could to convince the WWE to put him in it and they just wouldn't. They didn't see him in that spot for whatever reason that only makes sense to them. It was mounting layers of disrespect that get to a point where he couldn't lie down and take it any more.

    The most disturbing revelation of Punk's testimony is that the WWE still appears not to be an organisation that truly cares about the well-being, or indeed the very lives, of their performers so much as they care about damage control.
    Your post reads entirely like it was posted from CM Punk's point of view.

    Realistically we've no genuine idea of the extent of any infection and any measures that WWE did take or were asked to take other than Punk's take on it probably with a bit of exaggeration along the way.


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    #1193
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    Who'd he grass on previously?

    Mentioned his reputation on here loads of times.


    Also mank:
    https://twitter.com/DeathToAllMarks/status/538395084635791360


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    #1194
    briany
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    CSF wrote: »
    Your post reads entirely like it was posted from CM Punk's point of view.

    Realistically we've no genuine idea of the extent of any infection and any measures that WWE did take or were asked to take other than Punk's take on it probably with a bit of exaggeration along the way.

    I was speaking against the idea that Punk's big reason for quitting there and then was because he was once again being passed over for the main event and that while that was a reason, as Punk admits, there was a long road that took him to that point, according to his story. Whether Punk's story is a gross exaggeration, we can never really know because we have what he says and what WWE and some of it's employees say. On the other hand, WWE has more vested interest in making itself look good, as they're very careful not to p*ss off sponsers etc., and keeping any potential controversy off their backs and employees who go to bat will have a vested interest in keeping their job. Punk, on the other hand, has probably garnered as much hate as love for what he did and now for the story he's told. He's not looking to turn his story into a book or even tell it for pay on Colt's podcast. He's out of wrestling and doing well in other ventures so it's not like what he did is actively hurting him as his life goes on, apart from twitter-hate and the odd disgruntled fan giving him lip. So I would say that at this point in time, Punk has less reason to twist the truth to his benefit.


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    #1195
    CSF
    Registered Users Posts: 33,137 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    briany wrote: »
    I was speaking against the idea that Punk's big reason for quitting there and then was because he was once again being passed over for the main event and that while that was a reason, as Punk admits, there was a long road that took him to that point, according to his story. Whether Punk's story is a gross exaggeration, we can never really know because we have what he says and what WWE and some of it's employees say. On the other hand, WWE has more vested interest in making itself look good, as they're very careful not to p*ss off sponsers etc., and keeping any potential controversy off their backs and employees who go to bat will have a vested interest in keeping their job. Punk, on the other hand, has probably garnered as much hate as love for what he did and now for the story he's told. He's not looking to turn his story into a book or even tell it for pay on Colt's podcast. He's out of wrestling and doing well in other ventures so it's not like what he did is actively hurting him as his life goes on, apart from twitter-hate and the odd disgruntled fan giving him lip. So I would say that at this point in time, Punk has less reason to twist the truth to his benefit.
    He is a man with an ego that he wants to protect. He has just as much reason to twist the truth. I'm not saying I know which parts of what are completely true, which parts are exaggerated, and which parts perhaps may be fabricated. I'm just saying not to believe everything you hear.


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    #1196
    Pentecost
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    If the details of what Punk said about the doctor not diagnosing him or ignoring his infection were untrue you'd expect that the doctor and/or WWE would sue. The US being a decidedly litigious country and all. The man has a professional reputation that I'm sure he wants to uphold.


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    #1197
    CSF
    Registered Users Posts: 33,137 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Pentecost wrote: »
    If the details of what Punk said about the doctor not diagnosing him or ignoring his infection were untrue you'd expect that the doctor and/or WWE would sue. The US being a decidedly litigious country and all. The man has a professional reputation that I'm sure he wants to uphold.
    Wouldn't you imagine the same about CM Punk with a doctor and gross mispractice that could have led to his death?


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    #1198
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    CSF wrote: »
    Wouldn't you imagine the same about CM Punk with a doctor and gross mispractice that could have led to his death?

    It seems CM Punk's right to do this was signed away in the settlement agreement.


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    #1199
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    https://twitter.com/Ryback22/status/538410831051231232


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    #1200
    Ageyev
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    The podcast with Colt is all over the place. Washington Post has picked up the story on their website blog.

    I'd be curious to see if this has increased interest in the network, if people are going back and watching these matches where he gets injured, craps himself etc.

    WWE released this statement to Yahoo:
    “WWE takes the health and wellness of its talent very seriously and has a comprehensive Talent Wellness Program that is led by one of the most well-respected physicians in the country, Dr. Joseph Maroon.”


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    #1201
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    LOL

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