LEAP CARD - Updated Summary of Cards/Functionality Available - February 2014

punisher5112

afatbollix wrote: »

Can anyone help I'm coming over to Dublin in the summer and looking to get a leap card as its just easier. We are staying for 3 days so is there a 3 day travel card we can get? Can it be preloaded onto the card and sent to us before we arrive or can we pick one up at Dublin airport?

3 Day Freedom ticket or paper travel90 tickets available from airport or DB head office along with all other tickets.

If you are only using for 3 days and never again it wouldn't be worth the hassle of getting leap card.

LXFlyer

The 3 day freedom ticket is a paper ticket (and is not on the LEAP card), and as it includes the hop-on-hop-off tour, airlink 747 and all normal buses it's very good value, especially if you've not been to Dublin before.

Probably the best option to be honest.

Stevek101

The 3 Day Freedom can be purchased on Leap. 72h from first validated too.

Here's the full list of tickets.

LXFlyer

Stevek101 wrote: »

The 3 Day Freedom can be purchased on Leap. 72h from first validated too.

Here's the full list of tickets.

Where are you getting that list from?

Stevek101

lxflyer wrote: »

Where are you getting that list from?

When you go to buy a ticket online that is the list it gives you.

Hotblack Desiato

lxflyer wrote: »

It might be worth getting a normal adult card in the meantime while you're waiting - it has a €5 refundable deposit, so you can claim it back when you get your student card.

It will mean that your bus fares cap at €6.90 each day or €27.50 per week if you use it in the epurse pay-as-you-go mode.

Or a travel90, each journey is €2.75 provided the second bus is taken within 90 minutes of the first, so €5.50 per day.

LXFlyer

Well to go back to the query in hand - if the individual concerned only plans on using the bus for three days on their visit (and not the two tram lines or the DART/Rail), then I'd just get the paper ticket - getting a LEAP card would be unnecessary.

LXFlyer

ninja900 wrote: »

Or a travel90, each journey is €2.75 provided the second bus is taken within 90 minutes of the first, so €5.50 per day.

That would equate to €27.50 for 5 days which equates to 7 days of travel using the purse.


If TimetoShine is doing this trip 5 days a week, then the LEAP card would be better value, as the other two days would be free.

afatbollix

punisher5112 wrote: »

3 Day Freedom ticket or paper travel90 tickets available from airport or DB head office along with all other tickets.

If you are only using for 3 days and never again it wouldn't be worth the hassle of getting leap card.

I found a old Luas smart card the other day so they are sending me a leap card in the post to London for free. I visit Dublin every other month so it would be a good idea to get one and keep it. Just like most people who visit London keep there oyster.

AlekSmart

Interesting little development regarding the expansion of Leapcard on Dublin Bus.
From May the "Own Brand" DB 5 & 30 Day Rambler product is being withdrawn and will only be available on Leapcard.

The "Interesting" bit (To ME) is the advice on the leaflet which tells the Leapcard user to hold their ticket to the reader for ONE Second....I went HMMMMMmmmmmmm...as I read this,as it kinda sets the technology back quite a bit...as the current standard being rolled out by TfL in London is 300 Miliseconds per Oyster Transaction...THREE times faster than our own (More advanced) version of contactless technology.

What's the story I wonder...?

Dravokivich

People swiping cards along the validator, instead of briefly holding the cards against'em.

LXFlyer

AlekSmart wrote: »

Interesting little development regarding the expansion of Leapcard on Dublin Bus.
From May the "Own Brand" DB 5 & 30 Day Rambler product is being withdrawn and will only be available on Leapcard.

The "Interesting" bit (To ME) is the advice on the leaflet which tells the Leapcard user to hold their ticket to the reader for ONE Second....I went HMMMMMmmmmmmm...as I read this,as it kinda sets the technology back quite a bit...as the current standard being rolled out by TfL in London is 300 Miliseconds per Oyster Transaction...THREE times faster than our own (More advanced) version of contactless technology.

What's the story I wonder...?

Nothing more than people waving their cards in front of the reader rather than actually holding it on the reader itself.


Telling people to hold it there for one second is probably the easiest way to explain it.


That being said, it does take the reader a couple of seconds to beep anytime I use a day of my rambler ticket.

Spanish Eyes

Please forgive my ignorance. I need to clarify a few things about LEAP and the multi trip bus tickets. Thanks....

Is there a need to buy a five day rambler if the cost of that and the weekly cap is the same price? Presuming you travel say to work five days a week? Then you have two days free due to the cap!

Am I right?

So the rambler is ok if you are not travelling on consecutive days so the daily cost of that product is less than the daily cap on the LEAP?

I'm so confused now, sorry.

Wouldn't it be so much better if the daily cap was the same price as a day using the rambler? No need for a separate ticket.

I.e €5.50 cap per day.

Must be something to do with the weekly cap over 7 days.

I think.....

Welcome your helps, thank you.

NuMarvel

jahalpin wrote: »

I just received my Annual Short Hop Bus and Rail ticket and it was still a Dublin Bus paper smartcard and an Irish Rail smartcard (have to reuse last years IR card)

The funny thing is that on the delivery note it says that it should be a Leap card renewal. I rang the taxsaver office and was told that the delivery note was wrong due to problems with the IT dept.

I got mine today and had the same thing. Except I didn't get any note, I just got the Dublin Bus card and presumably my IR smartcard will renew automatically, like last year.

Does anyone know if there's a reason the Dublin Bus portion of my ticket couldn't go on a Leap Card, like Dublin Bus only taxsaver tickets? I know it's still two cards, but it would save DB the cost of issuing more paper tickets, and being personalised, it can't be used by anyone else anyway.

punisher5112

AlekSmart wrote: »

Interesting little development regarding the expansion of Leapcard on Dublin Bus.
From May the "Own Brand" DB 5 & 30 Day Rambler product is being withdrawn and will only be available on Leapcard.

The "Interesting" bit (To ME) is the advice on the leaflet which tells the Leapcard user to hold their ticket to the reader for ONE Second....I went HMMMMMmmmmmmm...as I read this,as it kinda sets the technology back quite a bit...as the current standard being rolled out by TfL in London is 300 Miliseconds per Oyster Transaction...THREE times faster than our own (More advanced) version of contactless technology.

What's the story I wonder...?

The reason now is that the card has to be read and what happens is if I have a few tickets(rambler) loaded onto it it searches for the one that has days left on it.

Ill explain in detail basically whats happening is I buy a 5/30 day and load it now that rambler has ran out and I buy a new and load that on.
So what happens is the Leap card still keeps the used rambler on it and has to then search and this is now what has slowed it down.

I have seen in London how they use the oyster card and they all place the card on the reader without waving it all over the place as they love doing with their Leap here. So they have been educated where as here nobody even knows what their card can do.

AlekSmart

punisher5112 wrote: »

The reason now is that the card has to be read and what happens is if I have a few tickets(rambler) loaded onto it it searches for the one that has days left on it.

Ill explain in detail basically whats happening is I buy a 5/30 day and load it now that rambler has ran out and I buy a new and load that on.
So what happens is the Leap card still keeps the used rambler on it and has to then search and this is now what has slowed it down.

I have seen in London how they use the oyster card and they all place the card on the reader without waving it all over the place as they love doing with their Leap here. So they have been educated where as here nobody even knows what their card can do.

Punisher5112's reason is valid,or at least once WAS valid,however the technology used in Leapcard (Based upon the more recent Mifare DESfire based chip) should be handling any and all of the ticket types comfortably within a 500ms window.

http://nfctimes.com/news/london-oyster-card-chief-nfc-not-ready-fast-paced-fare-payment

(Whilst the article quoted is concerned with NFC vs Contactless Card comparisons,it does reveal the actual performance figures for Card Transactions)

Essentially I am pointing out that Leapcard is now telling it's customers that it is twice as slow as Oystercard's worst-case scenario,and perilously close to THREE times as slow as Oystercards BEST 300ms target.

A performance of ONE second per transaction,in real contactless terms,is verging on Horsedrawn and points,yet again to a worrying lack of comprehension as to the possibilities and power of the technology we now possess...We may as well have a Man with a Red Flag walking in front of each bus

LXFlyer

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Please forgive my ignorance. I need to clarify a few things about LEAP and the multi trip bus tickets. Thanks....

Is there a need to buy a five day rambler if the cost of that and the weekly cap is the same price? Presuming you travel say to work five days a week? Then you have two days free due to the cap!

Am I right?

So the rambler is ok if you are not travelling on consecutive days so the daily cost of that product is less than the daily cap on the LEAP?

I'm so confused now, sorry.

Wouldn't it be so much better if the daily cap was the same price as a day using the rambler? No need for a separate ticket.

I.e €5.50 cap per day.

Must be something to do with the weekly cap over 7 days.

I think.....

Welcome your helps, thank you.

Rambler tickets are designed for occasional users rather than people using the bus every day.

People travelling every day should avail of the weekly cap or get a monthly/annual ticket.

Dravokivich

AlekSmart wrote: »

Punisher5112's reason is valid,or at least once WAS valid,however the technology used in Leapcard (Based upon the more recent Mifare DESfire based chip) should be handling any and all of the ticket types comfortably within a 500ms window.

http://nfctimes.com/news/london-oyster-card-chief-nfc-not-ready-fast-paced-fare-payment

(Whilst the article quoted is concerned with NFC vs Contactless Card comparisons,it does reveal the actual performance figures for Card Transactions)

Essentially I am pointing out that Leapcard is now telling it's customers that it is twice as slow as Oystercard's worst-case scenario,and perilously close to THREE times as slow as Oystercards BEST 300ms target.

A performance of ONE second per transaction,in real contactless terms,is verging on Horsedrawn and points,yet again to a worrying lack of comprehension as to the possibilities and power of the technology we now possess...We may as well have a Man with a Red Flag walking in front of each bus

The reason why they are telling people to do it, is because people are just swiping the card. Which as an action is too quick for it to be read, let alone for the validator to write back to it.

Have you not seen people complain of "Bad read," on your bus? I've seen plenty of people stumped by it purely because they were just swiping away.

LXFlyer

AlekSmart wrote: »

Punisher5112's reason is valid,or at least once WAS valid,however the technology used in Leapcard (Based upon the more recent Mifare DESfire based chip) should be handling any and all of the ticket types comfortably within a 500ms window.

http://nfctimes.com/news/london-oyster-card-chief-nfc-not-ready-fast-paced-fare-payment

(Whilst the article quoted is concerned with NFC vs Contactless Card comparisons,it does reveal the actual performance figures for Card Transactions)

Essentially I am pointing out that Leapcard is now telling it's customers that it is twice as slow as Oystercard's worst-case scenario,and perilously close to THREE times as slow as Oystercards BEST 300ms target.

A performance of ONE second per transaction,in real contactless terms,is verging on Horsedrawn and points,yet again to a worrying lack of comprehension as to the possibilities and power of the technology we now possess...We may as well have a Man with a Red Flag walking in front of each bus

I think you are reading FAR too much into that statement in the leaflet Alek - it's not a technical document, it's a user guide.


Holding the card for a second on the reader would be precisely the same advice given to Oyster card users.


It has nothing to do with the processing time or anything else, it's just telling people to hold the card on the reader rather than waving it as so many people continue to do.

AlekSmart

lxflyer wrote: »

I think you are reading FAR too much into that statement in the leaflet Alek - it's not a technical document, it's a user guide.

Holding the card for a second on the reader would be precisely the same advice given to Oyster card users.

It has nothing to do with the processing time or anything else, it's just telling people to hold the card on the reader rather than waving it as so many people continue to do.

Yep,all well understood people....;)

I'm well aware that how the General Public use their cards,and their inherent belief that Leapcard is a "Swipe" Card,something not really challenged by Leap themselves.

LUAS have always been a bit more specific with their "TAG-ON/OFF" instruction,whilst the other operators have remained suitably vague about it all.

However.....that is all incidental to my core point...the ACTUAL read speed of Leapcard is unacceptably long for the type of card it is.

I am quite sure that Leapcard's CEO will be able to produce reams of print-out's showing incredibly fast "Time-To-Live" figures as well as actual transaction figures of sub 500ms...however I can only recount the experience from a drivers perspective,and it is one of CONSTANT total transaction times between 3:( and 7 :eek:seconds....once this occurs in a Peak situation it then becomes a far greater impediment to operation than any Traffic Congestion.

Blaming the end-user will only stand up for a short while,the reality is that €40 Million spend having been used on elements far removed from optimizing the Leapcard experience and that is showing rather too frequently in the numbers of Cash Fare payers shrugging their shoulders as they tell me they "Have a Leapcard" but "don't bother with it"....:eek:

Dravokivich

AlekSmart wrote: »

Blaming the end-user will only stand up for a short while,the reality is that €40 Million spend having been used on elements far removed from optimizing the Leapcard experience and that is showing rather too frequently in the numbers of Cash Fare payers shrugging their shoulders as they tell me they "Have a Leapcard" but "don't bother with it"....:eek:

This isn't blaming the end user either. If anything, it's to remove the possibility of blame towards Dublin Bus, as it's their validators people are having difficulty using. Along with the removal of tickets, which some also had difficulty understanding.

Overall, it's to make your job easier when it comes to people using the validator by the door.

LXFlyer

AlekSmart wrote: »

Yep,all well understood people....;)

I'm well aware that how the General Public use their cards,and their inherent belief that Leapcard is a "Swipe" Card,something not really challenged by Leap themselves.

LUAS have always been a bit more specific with their "TAG-ON/OFF" instruction,whilst the other operators have remained suitably vague about it all.

However.....that is all incidental to my core point...the ACTUAL read speed of Leapcard is unacceptably long for the type of card it is.

I am quite sure that Leapcard's CEO will be able to produce reams of print-out's showing incredibly fast "Time-To-Live" figures as well as actual transaction figures of sub 500ms...however I can only recount the experience from a drivers perspective,and it is one of CONSTANT total transaction times between 3:( and 7 :eek:seconds....once this occurs in a Peak situation it then becomes a far greater impediment to operation than any Traffic Congestion.

Blaming the end-user will only stand up for a short while,the reality is that €40 Million spend having been used on elements far removed from optimizing the Leapcard experience and that is showing rather too frequently in the numbers of Cash Fare payers shrugging their shoulders as they tell me they "Have a Leapcard" but "don't bother with it"....:eek:

That, frankly, is going to require new more powerful ticketing equipment, and I think we need to be realistic in our expectations of what can be afforded given the financial situation that the companies are in.


Replacing the entire fleet's machines is just not going to happen until our financial position improves.

Stevek101

Auto top up seems to be live. They haven't done that badly by adding additional functionality quite quickly over these past few months.

All we need now is Travel90 tickets for single and multi operator journeys and a simplified fare structure across Dublin.

Julius Seizure

Yeah it would be great if in addition to the daily/weekly caps there was a 90 min cap, say 2.90 for bus only (current price of a one journey travel 90) and 3.50 for multi operator. It's stupid I can buy a travel 90 single trip on paper but not on leap

Stevek101

Julius Seizure wrote: »

Yeah it would be great if in addition to the daily/weekly caps there was a 90 min cap, say 2.90 for bus only (current price of a one journey travel 90) and 3.50 for multi operator. It's stupid I can buy a travel 90 single trip on paper but not on leap

You will be able to at some stage. Didn't someone already say you can purchase a Travel90 on DB ticket machine?

Julius Seizure

Stevek101 wrote: »

You will be able to at some stage. Didn't someone already say you can purchase a Travel90 on DB ticket machine?

Wow, that would be great. Wonder if Alex could confirm. Then again it's only really useful if the drivers all know about it, half the drivers seem to be confused even when k ask for a city centre fare on leap, it took one driver like 5 seconds scanning through the fares on the right before he thought to hit the square button...

punisher5112

Julius Seizure wrote: »

Wow, that would be great. Wonder if Alex could confirm. Then again it's only really useful if the drivers all know about it, half the drivers seem to be confused even when k ask for a city centre fare on leap, it took one driver like 5 seconds scanning through the fares on the right before he thought to hit the square button...

This was because when the Leap came in passenger would place card down then really slow machine might read or fail showing red LED on top which still happens and machine stalls.
What had to be done was leap card had to be lifted and square button option selected then place card back down wait for it to read then press city centre fare.

I can tell you I am good with computers not a genius but know my way around them and find the wayfarer so outdated and can be confusing at times especially with all the changes that are happening so imagine some drivers that didn't grow up with technology and find these things difficult to use.

I believe the cards should be tag on/off and cut the amount that has to be done on the ticket machine.

The paper tickets with the magnetic strip that are inserted into a machine which is around 25 years old (validator), these are meant to be getting retired but no sign of this yet.

Julius Seizure

Yeah I agree with you there the equipment has seen better days, I'm so glad I don't have to use combi bus+luas tickets anymore, they only read once in 10 buses I'd say! Yeah like that case over the weekend was a bit weird, it was a grand read the first time and everything the driver still looked a bit baffled by it all, but from what I've heard the wayfarer is a mess especially with the amount of fares on it...

I'd be in favour of 1 euro short trip, 2 euro long trip, and then 2.90 for 90 mins, and then the daily cap etc. Cash could be 3/4 euro. Is there any possibility of adding in an option on the remote validator for zones, or adding a second one? In Belgium they use magstrip but they have buttons from 1-10 on them so they choose how many zones without driver interaction, it works well and still gives choice without grouping too many fares together.

So you don't have any information on buying travel90s on the wayfarer then no?

xper

AlekSmart wrote: »

However.....that is all incidental to my core point...the ACTUAL read speed of Leapcard is unacceptably long for the type of card it is.

I switched from a chip-in-paper DB annual ticket to one loaded on a Leapcard a while back. The difference in read time holding the card steady directly on the reader is considerable and, crucially, I now have to break stride to wait for the green light, holding up the people boarding after me momentarily. Those moments add up over the network over the day. So it's not just a simple "the readers are slow" fault, the whole reader/leapcard interplay is fubarred somehow.

On a relatively minor point, it would help speed things up if the right-hand reader was positioned consistently across the fleet. It can be above, below or to the side of the older validator block, immediately adjacent to the door edge or around the corner over the baggage rack and facing a variety of angles relative to the front of the bus. But this little detail matters when your funnelling ten commuters on through the gap between the change fumbler and the baggage rack clamper.

Stevek101 wrote: »

Auto top up seems to be live. They haven't done that badly by adding additional functionality quite quickly over these past few months.

Was waiting to set up auto topup on my card but I am disappointed to find that topups kick in at €10 balance remaining and the minimum topup is €30. That's far too hefty for occasional epurse users who have a loaded ticket for one frequently used mode but might use other modes only now and again/ ad hoc and are unlikely to have a regular routine for manual topups or remember what there balance is.

AlekSmart

xper wrote: »

I switched from a chip-in-paper DB annual ticket to one loaded on a Leapcard a while back. The difference in read time holding the card steady directly on the reader is considerable and, crucially, I now have to break stride to wait for the green light, holding up the people boarding after me momentarily. Those moments add up over the network over the day. So it's not just a simple "the readers are slow" fault, the whole reader/leapcard interplay is fubarred somehow.

On a relatively minor point, it would help speed things up if the right-hand reader was positioned consistently across the fleet. It can be above, below or to the side of the older validator block, immediately adjacent to the door edge or around the corner over the baggage rack and facing a variety of angles relative to the front of the bus. But this little detail matters when your funnelling ten commuters on through the gap between the change fumbler and the baggage rack clamper.

Was waiting to set up auto topup on my card but I am disappointed to find that topups kick in at €10 balance remaining and the minimum topup is €30. That's far too hefty for occasional epurse users who have a loaded ticket for one frequently used mode but might use other modes only now and again/ ad hoc and are unlikely to have a regular routine for manual topups or remember what there balance is.

Well said xper...good to see a Leapcard USER noticing the basic flaws with the system.

The flaws ARE basic,and unless they are recognized as such and addressed,then everything else is built on sand.

The MAJOR issue for the Wayfarer machine is the constant requirement to switch modes between Cash and (Secured) Card...This is unsustainable in OPO City Bus operation.I repeat for clarity UNSUSTAINABLE. The response of the NTA to date has been to effectively ignore any concerns raised by Drivers,and to pursue the "Everything is grand,400,000 Leapcard customers can't be wrong" line.

I still cannot find figures to confirm the number of ACTIVE Leapcards in circulation,compared to that 400,000 total,I'm suggesting that a significant number of Leapcards are now INACTIVE,either having no credit or,more worryingly,regarded as less useful than cash.

The point regarding Remote Reader location is far from minor,as I believe our vehicles could have a second Smart Card Reader positioned further back,or even upstairs to speed up the boarding/alighting process.

Irrespective of the number of Doors,our entire Dwell Time arrangements are FAR too extended.

A concerted effort to reduce this,would IMO,pay significant dividends to all road users.

The Auto-Top Up situation,as xper sez,is WAAAY to restrictive in these straitened times...That €10 trigger and particularly the €30 minumum top-up is far beyond what MOST users will be comfortable with,particularly as,once set,the Top-Up amount CANNOT be altered.

I have come to the conclusion that the most worrying aspect of the ITS project is the way in which the Programme Managers have displayed an almost total lack of understanding as to what ACTUALLY happens when the Bus Doors open...the ACTUAL mechanics of what passengers are required to do,and their ACTUAL experiences.

The ITS flaws we are now attempting to operate with and,in a sense,cover up for,were all FULLY predictable from the outset (12 years ago),yet the entire programme was continued in the full knowledge of these issues,with vague assurances that systems would be "Integrated at a later stage"...NOT a very good premise to see at the outset of an Integrated Ticketing Programme.

My solution ...?

STOP the tinkering around,the attempts to turn base metal into gold...

The largest volume users of Leapcard are Dublin Bus customers.

Configure the system to actively reward those prepared to embrace the ITS systems benefits.

However,to do this means ACTIVELY penalising those wishing to ignore,or otherwise frustrate the compliant co-operative customer.

Currently,the corporate line is to attempt to satisfy all of the people ,all of the time...in mass-transit reality,an impossibility.

My belief is "we (Transport Operators,Regulators,Government) need to get out from under the dead weight of the "Flat Earthers",the significant numbers of people who will never allow an opportunity pass,to actively disruprt the attempts of others to be efficient,and move the system on...without constantly worrying about people who'se requirements cannot EVER be satisfied by a mass use service.

I fully recognize that this policy would require Strong,Clear,Decisive and Unequivocal management,which may well be bayond us as a society,but hey it's worth a shot ?

Flat (EXPENSIVE) Cash Fare,backed up by Large on-bus advertising/warning of same ....

€3 FLAT FARE.

Reduce the Auto Top-Up parameters €5 trigger-€10 Top Up.
Further reduce the Leapcard Daily/Weekly CAP
Install SCV Readers at specific RTPI points specifically to facilitate On-Line Top-Up collections.
Introduce Weekend/Offpeak specific Leapcard Fare "Specials"

In essence I am suggesting that we,in the Bus world,take our cue from the simplicity of the Irish Term...."LUAS".....SPEED-VELOCITY-PACE and at least begin to apply it in the areas where we currently remain in the 19th Century ?

Stevek101

AlekSmart wrote: »

Reduce the Auto Top-Up parameters €5 trigger-€10 Top Up.
Further reduce the Leapcard Daily/Weekly CAP
Install SCV Readers at specific RTPI points specifically to facilitate On-Line Top-Up collections.
Introduce Weekend/Offpeak specific Leapcard Fare "Specials

The reason it is set at minimum of €30 with a €10 threshold is to stop multiple direct debits pending on a person a/c.

I doubt operators would be willing to accept further cuts to revenue especially since the unions are banging on about pay increases again.

Money would be better spent replacing Dublin Bus ticket machines. I'd imagine if the drivers and unions hadn't dragged their heals and continue to hold up cost cuts to the company we'd already have these.

Off peak fares are under trial and will be introduced if the ticket machine can handle them.

Seaswimmer

Stevek101 wrote: »

The reason it is set at minimum of €30 with a €10 threshold is to stop multiple direct debits pending on a person a/c.

Is the auto top up feature live? I can see a "manage auto top up" but no "enable auto top up" as per the FAQ's.

Dravokivich

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Is the auto top up feature live? I can see a "manage auto top up" but no "enable auto top up" as per the FAQ's.

Click on Manage Auto topup.

Middle of the next page that loads is where you set it up.

Not really going to bother with it myself.

Eod100

Out of curiosity what is an auto top up? Is it that you get a certain top up added every month for instance? Presumably you'd still have to go to a physical load location to get it added to your card?

Dravokivich

Eod100 wrote: »

Out of curiosity what is an auto top up? Is it that you get a certain top up added every month for instance? Presumably you'd still have to go to a physical load location to get it added to your card?

If using a validator and your card is below 10euro in credit, it will apply a topup of 30/40/50euro, depending on what you selected. That'll then submit a direct debit request to charge your bank account for the topup.

"Shouldn't" matter which operator it happens on. But then again it was in pilot since last year, with very little said about it. One of the guys who regularly post here mentioned they had signed up to it during the pilot, so could add a bit more of their experience.

punisher5112

I don't understand the problem everyone has with the top up, sure isn't it better to have too much on the card then be left red faced when there is in fact nothing left.


I have come across a lot with €50 to €150 as their balance.

Look at it this way usually you would top up your phone with €20 and the tolls are the same when below €10 it tops up account with €20.

You couldn't work having a machine upstairs as nobody would pay.

There is plenty using the leap and cheating db out of money as they pay minimum but go all the way.

If and when they recruit these driver grade checkers there still won't be enough but it will be an improvement to having 4 in a car 3 then check tickets and 1 in car follows. Now that's what I call a waste 2 and 2 could check

LXFlyer

Eod100 wrote: »

Out of curiosity what is an auto top up? Is it that you get a certain top up added every month for instance? Presumably you'd still have to go to a physical load location to get it added to your card?

No. Once the balance reaches €10 it will automatically trigger a top up by whichever amount you select.

That can happen on a bus, or a tram stop or railway station.

No need to go to a "load location" at all as it will automatically top up from your bank account and will update the following day when you tag on on a bus or other mode.

jack presley

lxflyer wrote: »

No. Once the balance reaches €10 it will automatically trigger a top up by whichever amount you select.

That can happen on a bus, or a tram stop or railway station.

No need to go to a "load location" at all as it will automatically top up from your bank account and will update the following day when you tag on on a bus or other mode.

Is that still in trial or can anyone sign up for that now?

Dravokivich

punisher5112 wrote: »

I don't understand the problem everyone has with the top up, sure isn't it better to have too much on the card then be left red faced when there is in fact nothing left.


I have come across a lot with €50 to €150 as their balance.

The problem people may have is that it is an automatic direct debit. When I top up I tend to put a large amount on my card as well, but my usage can be sporadic. I don't want to be thinking, "feck, my card is going to go less than 10 and I don't have money in the bank to cover it."

jack presley wrote: »

Is that still in trial or can anyone sign up for that now?

It is yeah, there should be a link to manage auto topup when you log in.

LXFlyer

jack presley wrote: »

Is that still in trial or can anyone sign up for that now?

It has gone live with a soft launch.

Log in to your account and you can register for it - click on "manage auto top-up" once you've logged in.

bk

I've been on the auto-topup trial for the last year and it works extremely well and I've had no issues with it.

It is great not having to worry about your card having credit or not.

However I agree that the minimum top-up being €30 is too much. It can mean that you have as much as €40 "stuck" on your card.

For those people who are unemployed or only earning a minimum wage, that can be an awful lot of money.

Planemo

I have a 30 day student rambler (valid until 2015) paper ticket with no days used and I won't start using it until September. Will it still be valid then?

Fred Swanson

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Stevek101

Pretty big development here.

The National Transport Authority requires an enhancement to introduce the ability to read Leap Card from Smart Phones, and to purchase top-ups and tickets from Smart Phones and then apply the resultant ticket or top-up to the smart card via the NFC functionality on the Smart Phone. The National Transport Authority requires an outsourced solution (for the Transparent NFC server in the diagram below). This is to allow comparison of hosted/on-premise solution with cloud solution.

Mr Simpson

The bit about transferring top up to Leap Card via NFC is very interesting, would be a major step forward imo

hfallada

Mr Simpson wrote: »

The bit about transferring top up to Leap Card via NFC is very interesting, would be a major step forward imo

Its incredible to see a state run body using the latest technology. It shows that there is real change in the running of semi-states

Victor

New thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057209915

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