When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

HellboundIRL

Before vectoring

       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.549 Mbps       71.812 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.479 Mbps       71.672 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:        9.1 dB           12.0 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              7 ms
          Transmit Power:      -16.2 dBm          13.1 dBm
           Receive Power:      -25.8 dBm           2.5 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:        9.7 dB           10.5 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     29.759 Mbps      104.956 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  2.2    11.6    16.5     N/A     7.4    16.4    24.8   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  2.2    11.0    15.1     N/A     7.4    16.3    24.8   
        SNR Margin(dB):  9.4     9.2     9.1     N/A    11.9    11.7    11.9   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-27.3   -17.9   -21.8     N/A     9.5     8.1     7.1   
============================================================================

After vectoring:

       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.477 Mbps       71.678 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.478 Mbps       71.679 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       12.0 dB           14.3 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:      -16.3 dBm          13.3 dBm
           Receive Power:      -25.9 dBm           2.8 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      30.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:        9.6 dB           10.3 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     26.866 Mbps       90.464 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  2.1    11.7    16.6     N/A     7.5    16.5    25.0   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  2.1    10.9    15.6     N/A     7.5    16.3    25.0   
        SNR Margin(dB): 11.9    12.0    11.9     N/A    14.3    14.3    14.3   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-27.2   -18.3   -21.7     N/A    10.0     8.0     6.9   
============================================================================

My attainable net rate went down by 14mb, pings are a lot better though. I contacted Eircom through webchat to ask about a possible profile change but they said the database hadn't been updated yet and it'd be Monday before they could do anything.

SpaceTime

Not much point in talking to them until Monday.

I'm just wondering what the D3 channel is all about though on my stats.

AlanS181824

Anyone know how to check the Max attainable on the Vodafone Router?

I haven't gotten it yet but I'd like to be able to check as soon as it's installed.

JWRyan

Before vectoring
============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 2 hours: 46 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.549 Mbps 61.527 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 61.428 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 11.7 dB 6.6 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: 8.6 dBm 14.5 dBm
Receive Power: -8.6 dBm -3.1 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 2.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 17.1 dB 17.6 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 33.036 Mbps 66.632 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 4.5 32.9 35.4 N/A 12.9 31.6 48.4
Signal Attenuation(dB): 4.5 33.1 34.4 N/A 15.6 31.5 48.4
SNR Margin(dB): 12.0 11.6 11.7 N/A 6.6 6.5 6.5
Transmit Power(dBm):- 4.2 3.5 6.5 N/A 12.4 7.9 6.8
============================================================================
Pinging boards.ie with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60

After Vectoring:

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 9 hours: 3 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.477 Mbps       51.196 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.478 Mbps       51.197 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       14.5 dB           11.8 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        8.6 dBm          14.4 dBm
           Receive Power:       -8.5 dBm          -2.1 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       17.1 dB           16.5 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     29.030 Mbps       58.416 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  4.5    33.0    35.8     N/A    13.0    31.8    48.7   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.5    33.1    34.6     N/A    14.5    31.7    48.7   
        SNR Margin(dB): 16.3    14.3    14.5     N/A    11.8    11.8    11.8   
   Transmit Power(dBm):- 4.1     3.6     6.6     N/A    12.3     7.9     6.1   
============================================================================

Noticed Eircom dropped my profile from 60/20 to 50/20 yesterday and attainable download has dropped today with vectoring. Seem to be worse off with vectoring enabled than without. How does that make sense?

OneEightSeven

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Anyone know how to check the Max attainable on the Vodafone Router?

I haven't gotten it yet but I'd like to be able to check as soon as it's installed.

Vico1612 did it:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89602895&postcount=206

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057006124

AlanS181824

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Vico1612 did it:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89602895&postcount=206

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057006124

I actually had both of them bookmarked already but I couldn't find them.

Thanks!

Nonoperational

I can't make sense of the vectoring update for me at all. Keep resyncing at around 49Mbit when was always a rick solid 51 before.

Attainable makes no sense. When it syncs at 48 it says the attainable is 49 even though the SNR margin is 10.5. When it syncs at 51 it says the attainable is 53 with an SNR of 9.5. Makes no sense to me.

Is it down to a profile change or something?

The sync is not down to 47 after a few hours. No restart noted. When I reboot it it's back up to 51 again. I don't know.

lmimmfn

Mullingar here, vectoring seems to be turned on now and as above, getting great pings but worse speeds and better SNR
Before Vectoring

Line standard 	VDSL2
Channel type
	None 
[b]Downstream line rate (kbit/s)	                51197
Upstream line rate (kbit/s)	                20480
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 	81628
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 	        22079
Downstream SNR (dB)  	                        12
Upstream SNR (dB)  	                        6.2[/b]
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 	9.4
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 	2.8
Downstream DS1 loop attenuation(dB) 	9.4
Downstream DS2 loop attenuation(dB) 	19.7
Downstream DS3 loop attenuation(dB) 	31.0
Upstream US0 loop attenuation(dB) 	2.8
Upstream US1 loop attenuation(dB) 	14.9
Upstream US2 loop attenuation(dB) 	22.2
Upstream US3 loop attenuation(dB) 	N/A
Downstream DS1 signal attenuation(dB) 	9.4
Downstream DS2 signal attenuation(dB) 	19.7
Downstream DS3 signal attenuation(dB) 	31.0
Upstream US0 signal attenuation(dB) 	2.8
Upstream US1 signal attenuation(dB) 	14.9
Upstream US2 signal attenuation(dB) 	22.2
Upstream US3 signal attenuation(dB) 	N/A
Kl0(1MHz attenuation)(dB) 	750
Downstream output power (dBmV) 	14.5
Upstream output power (dBmV) 	-11.9
Downstream delay(ms) 	8
Upstream delay(ms) 	7
Downstream INP(symbols) 	3.5
Upstream INP(symbols) 	2.0
Downstream CRC 	5
Upstream CRC 	14
Downstream FEC 	9371
Upstream FEC 	21287
Downstream Error seconds 	1
Upstream Error seconds 	6

After Vectoring

Line standard 	VDSL2
VDSL standard 	Profile 17a
Channel type
	None 
[b]Downstream line rate (kbit/s)	                51198
Upstream line rate (kbit/s)	                19394
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 	72384
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 	        19051
Downstream SNR (dB)  	                        15.4
Upstream SNR (dB)  	                        9[/b]
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 	9.5
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 	2.9
Downstream DS1 loop attenuation(dB) 	9.5
Downstream DS2 loop attenuation(dB) 	19.8
Downstream DS3 loop attenuation(dB) 	31.3
Upstream US0 loop attenuation(dB) 	2.9
Upstream US1 loop attenuation(dB) 	15.0
Upstream US2 loop attenuation(dB) 	22.4
Upstream US3 loop attenuation(dB) 	N/A
Downstream DS1 signal attenuation(dB) 	9.5
Downstream DS2 signal attenuation(dB) 	19.8
Downstream DS3 signal attenuation(dB) 	31.3
Upstream US0 signal attenuation(dB) 	2.9
Upstream US1 signal attenuation(dB) 	15.0
Upstream US2 signal attenuation(dB) 	22.4
Upstream US3 signal attenuation(dB) 	N/A
Kl0(1MHz attenuation)(dB) 	750
Downstream output power (dBmV) 	14.6
Upstream output power (dBmV) 	-12
Downstream delay(ms) 	0
Upstream delay(ms) 	0
Downstream INP(symbols) 	29.0
Upstream INP(symbols) 	13.0
Downstream CRC 	0
Upstream CRC 	0
Downstream FEC 	0
Upstream FEC 	0
Downstream Error seconds 	0
Upstream Error seconds 	0

Does anyone have any idea whats going on regarding drops in attainable rates?

Nonoperational

Down from 51 to 46 now in the past hour. No dropping of connection. Bizarre.

Bog Standard User

JWRyan wrote: »

Before vectoring
============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 2 hours: 46 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.549 Mbps 61.527 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 61.428 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 11.7 dB 6.6 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: 8.6 dBm 14.5 dBm
Receive Power: -8.6 dBm -3.1 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 2.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 17.1 dB 17.6 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 33.036 Mbps 66.632 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 4.5 32.9 35.4 N/A 12.9 31.6 48.4
Signal Attenuation(dB): 4.5 33.1 34.4 N/A 15.6 31.5 48.4
SNR Margin(dB): 12.0 11.6 11.7 N/A 6.6 6.5 6.5
Transmit Power(dBm):- 4.2 3.5 6.5 N/A 12.4 7.9 6.8
============================================================================
Pinging boards.ie with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60

After Vectoring:

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 9 hours: 3 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.477 Mbps       51.196 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.478 Mbps       51.197 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       14.5 dB           11.8 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        8.6 dBm          14.4 dBm
           Receive Power:       -8.5 dBm          -2.1 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       17.1 dB           16.5 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     29.030 Mbps       58.416 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  4.5    33.0    35.8     N/A    13.0    31.8    48.7   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.5    33.1    34.6     N/A    14.5    31.7    48.7   
        SNR Margin(dB): 16.3    14.3    14.5     N/A    11.8    11.8    11.8   
   Transmit Power(dBm):- 4.1     3.6     6.6     N/A    12.3     7.9     6.1   
============================================================================

Noticed Eircom dropped my profile from 60/20 to 50/20 yesterday and attainable download has dropped today with vectoring. Seem to be worse off with vectoring enabled than without. How does that make sense?

vectoring is not enabled on your cab yet, when it is your attainables will effectively double

Bog Standard User

SpaceTime wrote: »

Previous:

					
============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 20 hours: 35 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     10.297 Mbps       41.116 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     10.239 Mbps       40.956 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       18.1 dB           12.6 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              8 ms
          Transmit Power:        7.4 dBm           9.9 dBm
           Receive Power:      -13.7 dBm          -9.2 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       21.2 dB           19.1 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     27.321 Mbps       67.916 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  5.9    31.0    46.6     N/A    15.6    39.3    61.1   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  5.9    30.2    46.2     N/A    12.6    39.0    61.2   
        SNR Margin(dB): 18.3    18.2    18.1     N/A    12.6    12.6    12.4   
   Transmit Power(dBm):- 8.0     0.5     6.4     N/A     3.3     7.7     2.3   
============================================================================

Now:

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 13 hours: 26 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     10.238 Mbps       40.959 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     10.239 Mbps       40.960 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       18.4 dB           22.3 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        6.9 dBm          11.4 dBm
           Receive Power:      -13.9 dBm          -8.4 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       20.8 dB           19.8 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     22.204 Mbps       72.376 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  5.9    31.0    46.5     N/A    15.6    39.2    61.0   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  5.9    30.2    46.2     N/A    17.4    38.9    61.1   
        SNR Margin(dB): 18.8    18.4    18.4     N/A    22.3    22.3     [COLOR="red"]0.0   [/COLOR]
   Transmit Power(dBm):- 8.2     0.6     5.5     N/A     8.9     7.7  [COLOR="Red"] -128.0 [/COLOR]  
============================================================================

Didn't make much impact on my line at all really. Bit disappointing.

Slight improvement on attainable download and a significant drop on the upload attainable rate.

Something strange happening on D3 band.

you still on the 40mb/10mb profile non vectoring profile

you need to call tech support to get it put on a vectoring profile

MBSnr

Bog Standard User wrote: »

vectoring is not enabled on your cab yet, when it is your attainables will effectively double

Bog Standard User wrote: »

you still on the 40mb/10mb profile non vectoring profile

you need to call tech support to get it put on a vectoring profile

Which figures are you using to ascertain this? Just curious as I wish to compare against mine.

bloodyhawk

Did you guys realize that the ping times have lowered significantly yet again? Same thing happened 2 couple of weeks ago. Everyone's INP is set to zero. Anyone know whats the cause of this? (highly doubt its vectoring)

Nonoperational

My INP is set at 29 and the ping went from 24 to 11.

syboit

bloodyhawk wrote: »

Did you guys realize that the ping times have lowered significantly yet again? Same thing happened 2 couple of weeks ago. Everyone's INP is set to zero. Anyone know whats the cause of this? (highly doubt its vectoring)

Earlier reports of people getting "vectored" was that their attainable data rate had risen. A few of us in Cork have reported here recently that this rate has dropped/but pings better. Perhaps its some other mainteance/clean up getting done, and not vectoring yet.

MBSnr

syboit wrote: »

Earlier reports of people getting "vectored" was that their attainable data rate had risen. A few of us in Cork have reported here recently that this rate has dropped/but pings better. Perhaps its some other mainteance/clean up getting done, and not vectoring yet.

With the change to the INP Symbol rate, I'd say it was vectoring. AFAIK the profiles are '‘Rate Adaptive’ so I would have thought they'd increase over the next while as the line is tested and the SNR reported back that the line can support a greater down speed.

Again I'm just basing this on what I've read and I don't know for sure (please feel free to correct me), but it makes sense that turning on noise cancellation (vectoring) would drop the attainable rate (in the short term) as the line SNR has changed and so the Rate Adaptive profile will become more conservative.

SpaceTime

Bog Standard User wrote: »

you still on the 40mb/10mb profile non vectoring profile

you need to call tech support to get it put on a vectoring profile

I'll call them on Monday.

Mr Cumulonimbus

Current stats. Attainable net data rate has changed to what's in the attached image. Used to always be around 30 up/91 down.

SNR margin (downstream) has changed too. Was normally around 15dB. Experimentation by Eircom in advance of vectoring being introduced?

GIMickey

Im on digiweb,

Same happened to me in letterkenny, line dropped from 72mb to 47mb. Pings got lower and SNR rose.

G.INP went from 2 to 29.

I havent a clue wats going on

brian ireland

GIMickey wrote: »

Im on digiweb,

Same happened to me in letterkenny, line dropped from 72mb to 47mb. Pings got lower and SNR rose.

G.INP went from 2 to 29.

I havent a clue wats going on

Why are people not ringing the provider to explain the situation. 72 to 47 is not right.

Nonoperational

brian ireland wrote: »

Why are people not ringing the provider to explain the situation. 72 to 47 is not right.

Quite honestly, the tech support people wouldn't have a clue. I tried.

GIMickey

O trust me I rang. Tech support said after checking the line, let it play out for a few days to c wat happens. As u can see I'm not the only one.

Nonoperational

To be honest it seems very few people actually know whats going on.

jimmad

GIMickey wrote: »

O trust me I rang. Tech support said after checking the line, let it play out for a few days to c wat happens. As u can see I'm not the only one.

GIMickey, im on digiweb also in letterkenny, the G.INP only went to 29 on my downstream but it still has a 4ms delay, G.Vector is still turned off. my sync also dropped from 61/20 with attainables of 63/23 to a sync now of just 54/13 and attainables not much higher.

Can you tell me what firmware your frtixbox has also, im running version 6.04

GIMickey

jimmad wrote: »

GIMickey, im on digiweb also in letterkenny, the G.INP only went to 29 on my downstream but it still has a 4ms delay, G.Vector is still turned off. my sync also dropped from 61/20 with attainables of 63/23 to a sync now of just 54/13 and attainables not much higher.

Can you tell me what firmware your frtixbox has also, im running version 6.04

Aye I'm running 6.04 also. Everything u said is the same for me. I was bumped up to the 70/20 profile 2-3 weeks ago and I was getting 67/20, before was 50/15. Now my line will only take 48/17 max after many many reboots. Hope they get this sorted soon.

Also digiweb tech said that g.vector will turn on automatically wen vectoring is enabled.

bloodyhawk

Nonoperational wrote: »

My INP is set at 29 and the ping went from 24 to 11.

Sorry my mistake, its not the INP that was set to zero but the (actually delay)
That's what's causing the ping drop.

AlanS181824

A lot of issues going on and no one seems to know what's causing it. Hope it gets sorted soon.

roc13x

This is probably unrelated, but today my VDSL connection went to hell for seemingly no reason. It dropped from 40mb/s to about 1mb/s, then died completely for about an hour. It's now at about 7mb/s and not changing. Also my IP address changed to a Dublin one which seems completely wrong as I'm in Tralee and was always connected to Limerick.

swoofer

I'd say vectoring is so technical that no one will be able to question it, ie the provider eircom will be literally be able to do as they wish. I don't think you can switch back to the old settings. The whole exercise seems to be a PR job in that eg VF on their website can now print " up to a 100mb" but the reality is for most people not a hope.

bk

swoofer wrote: »

I'd say vectoring is so technical that no one will be able to question it, ie the provider eircom will be literally be able to do as they wish. I don't think you can switch back to the old settings. The whole exercise seems to be a PR job in that eg VF on their website can now print " up to a 100mb" but the reality is for most people not a hope.

Actually, quiet the opposite, from the stats most people are posting, speeds with vectoring actually look excellent. Many people will be able to get 100mb/s

Of course it is still distance based, but VDSL seems much more reliable and predictable then ADSL.

Vodafone, Eircom, etc. can even tell you what speed you will most likely get when you phone them, which is great.

My only complaint is that I wish that Comreg required them all to actually inform you upfront without asking what speed you will actually get and also the line checker should tell you.

But on the whole, Vectorised VDSL is looking great. This VDSL rollout from Eircom is looking really good.

Bog Standard User

MBSnr wrote: »

Which figures are you using to ascertain this? Just curious as I wish to compare against mine.

check his snr and net attainable rates

the higher these values the more likely vectoring is enabled

MBSnr

Bog Standard User wrote: »

check his snr and net attainable rates

the higher these values the more likely vectoring is enabled

How do you explain the fall in most people's net attainable rate then? Mine dropped from 58Mbps to 51Mbps down and 15Mbps to 12Mbps up..

swoofer

bk can you show me a stat where it shows clearly that vectoring has been enabled? If vectoring is so good why is it causing so many problems? All I have noticed is a lower ping and speeds worse than when I first got fibre.

people don't even know if a cabinet has been enabled or not. eircom are still showing speeds of up to 70mb. not a mention of vectoring. Vodafone are now quoting speeds up to 100mb. no mention of vectoring, distance from cabinet, etc.

its only people on here who are aware of vectoring. And the posts about it are usually useless, no mention about distance from cabinet in all but one or 2 posts.

there should be a separate thread for vectoring that is enabled and those who don't post distance from cabinet, location, provider, old and new should be deleted.

jca

swoofer wrote: »

bk can you show me a stat where it shows clearly that vectoring has been enabled? If vectoring is so good why is it causing so many problems? All I have noticed is a lower ping and speeds worse than when I first got fibre.

people don't even know if a cabinet has been enabled or not. eircom are still showing speeds of up to 70mb. not a mention of vectoring. Vodafone are now quoting speeds up to 100mb. no mention of vectoring, distance from cabinet, etc.

its only people on here who are aware of vectoring. And the posts about it are usually useless, no mention about distance from cabinet in all but one or 2 posts.

there should be a separate thread for vectoring that is enabled and those who don't post distance from cabinet, location, provider, old and new should be deleted.

Exactly. We're going round and round in circles here. No one really knows what they're talking about. All I can see on my connection is a slight rise in snr better pings in fairness but the pings needed improving as I had much better pings on adsl, also a 27 meg drop in attainable DL speed, hardly much of an improvement.

Nonoperational

Yep, I still am no wiser why my improved SNR has led to reduced sync and attainables.

MBSnr

I used the Eircom checker for my number here (https://www.eircom.net/broadband/home?r=y)
then clicked a product then entered my number and then clicked "Discover the maximum speed you will experience in your home".

The value they give ties in with my new max attainable data rate of 50Mbps - based on my distance from the cabinet (over 1km more like 1.7km if using the attenuation checkers). However I do not know what it said before... Perhaps someone else can check theirs.

bk

swoofer wrote: »

bk can you show me a stat where it shows clearly that vectoring has been enabled? If vectoring is so good why is it causing so many problems? All I have noticed is a lower ping and speeds worse than when I first got fibre.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89645425&postcount=374
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89629783&postcount=332
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89635183&postcount=337
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89624960&postcount=313

And plenty more examples from earlier in this thread.

My own parnets connection has jumped to 130mb/s attainable.

Remember the upgrade is only happening at the moment and Eircom hasn't announced anything yet. Maybe there has been a bug or some other issues in some of the cabinets, wouldn't be surprised at all, pretty normal for any major technology upgrade.

Please do remember this is one of the first rollouts of vectoring in the world!! Eircom/Huawei really are on the cutting edge here. I'd be shocked if some issues don't pop up.

Just calm down and give it a few weeks for it to all settle down and for Eircom to announce that the upgrade is complete.

airuser

swoofer wrote: »

I'd say vectoring is so technical that no one will be able to question it, ie the provider eircom will be literally be able to do as they wish. I don't think you can switch back to the old settings. The whole exercise seems to be a PR job in that eg VF on their website can now print " up to a 100mb" but the reality is for most people not a hope.

All ISP"s are at it again.

This "up to" and the speeds that are never realisable.

Why they cannot give realisable speeds and maintain them.

Praetorian

All true BK. Things should settle down soon hopefully. My own cab was vectored and I got a 4-5 db increase in SNR but no difference in attainable somehow and apparently Vodafone can't boost my speed yet either (92m/bit attainable) . So I'm hoping their APQ isn't upto date, or there is some other bug in the system. Awesome pings now though

bk wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89645425&postcount=374
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89629783&postcount=332
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89635183&postcount=337
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89624960&postcount=313

And plenty more examples from earlier in this thread.

My own parnets connection has jumped to 130mb/s attainable.

Remember the upgrade is only happening at the moment and Eircom hasn't announced anything yet. Maybe there has been a bug or some other issues in some of the cabinets, wouldn't be surprised at all, pretty normal for any major technology upgrade.

Please do remember this is one of the first rollouts of vectoring in the world!! Eircom/Huawei really are on the cutting edge here. I'd be shocked if some issues don't pop up.

Just calm down and give it a few weeks for it to all settle down and for Eircom to announce that the upgrade is complete.

bk

Praetorian wrote: »

Awesome pings now though

That is a very good point. To be honest, most people won't really even notice much of a real world difference in increasing download speeds.

To be honest a person on 70mb/s probably won't notice any real world difference in increasing to 100mb/s. It is more about bragging rights then anything else. To be honest, given that most people are using wifi, wifi in the real world tops out at about 70 to 80mb/s, so they won't even notice the upgrade.

Of course it will make a bigger difference for those on lower speeds and in particular it makes Eircoms eVision service more feasible.

However this significant decrease in ping times is really good news as that will actually make quiet a difference to the speeds web pages actually load and good news for latency sensitive applications such as gaming and VoIP.

bk

airuser wrote: »

All ISP"s are at it again.

This "up to" and the speeds that are never realisable.

Why they cannot give realisable speeds and maintain them.

This is going to make my skin crawl, but I'm actually going to defend Eircom here!!

Back in the ADSL2+ days, they use to advertise it as "upto" 24mb/s, but it was impossible to actually get that speed outside of the lab and in the real world 15 to 16mb/s was the best anyone could achieve, with many getting much less.

But things seem to be very different with VDSL. I'm regularly seeing attainable speeds of 130mb/s in the real world, but the max profile they are selling is 100/20, much less then some lines are actually capable of.

And when you are on a profile, for the most part, you actually seem to get the speed of the profile, if your profile is 70, you get 70, when it is 100, you get 100, etc. Futhermore, when you call them up, they seem to be pretty good at being able to tell you what profile and speed you will be on, before you sign up for it.

While it is still a distance based, "upto" technology, it seems to be a vast improvement over the bad old days of ADSL.

I'm still very wary of Eircom, but so far I've been very impressed by this VDSL rollout and I wonder if they may have finally turned over a new leaf!

ED E

bk wrote: »

Back in the ADSL2+ days, they use to advertise it as "upto" 24mb/s, but it was impossible to actually get that speed outside of the lab and in the real world 15 to 16mb/s was the best anyone could achieve, with many getting much less.

Not quite. Ive seen as high as 22Mb stable sync. Not super common but those who live near an exchange do get a steady 20Mb.


Sales teams can tell you what you'll get if they wanted to, it just seems theyve a habit of selling the package not the prequal. With fibre they may have been trained to give out prequals specifically.

Nonoperational

airuser wrote: »

All ISP"s are at it again.

This "up to" and the speeds that are never realisable.

Why they cannot give realisable speeds and maintain them.

What do you expect they do? The technology is distance dependent. There is nothing they can do, your line determines the speed you will sync at. VDSL is up to 100Mbit. That's just the way it is and the only way of selling it. A lot of people will end up with 100Mbit. If your line isn't capable it will sync at the highest possible speed it can.

When you check your line on eircom.ie it gives you an estimation of your attainable speed for ADSL or VDSL.

bk

ED E wrote: »

Not quite. Ive seen as high as 22Mb stable sync. Not super common but those who live near an exchange do get a steady 20Mb.

Really?!, I had Smart fibre to the basement, with ADSL2+ DSLAM in the basement, and then about max 50 meters across a Cat5e cable, and was only able to get max 18mb/s, so I'm surprised to hear 22mb/s, never really saw anyone put up stats like that before.

Not disagreeing with you, just surprised.

ED E wrote: »

Sales teams can tell you what you'll get if they wanted to, it just seems theyve a habit of selling the package not the prequal. With fibre they may have been trained to give out prequals specifically.

I agree, I'd like to see the sales staff and online checker to give you the prequal speeds, not the package speeds.

HellboundIRL

I contacted Eircom today again and was told that it's still in the testing stage and not all connections are available for upgrade but it would be finished soon.

ED E

bk wrote: »

Really?!, I had Smart fibre to the basement, with ADSL2+ DSLAM in the basement, and then about max 50 meters across a Cat5e cable, and was only able to get max 18mb/s, so I'm surprised to hear 22mb/s, never really saw anyone put up stats like that before.

Not disagreeing with you, just surprised.

Probably external noise sources there. You should definitely have made a 20Mb profile.

I'm not actually sure is there a significant difference between 5e and the 2/4 pair drops that eircom linesmen would fit.

senorcoconut

I rang eircom on sunday and it appears my line was vectored (NTMK, Wicklow)

Here is what they put me on, they asked me to ring back if i had any problems with the latency or stability of the line. It seems to have increased my ping 3ms but other than that it is stable.

Anybody want to examine my stats and tell me what they think?

AlanS181824

Been on hold with Vodafone for 26 minutes trying to order Fibre.

Last time I rang before I got disconnected they said I could get up to 100Mb so Vectoring must have been enabled in Carlow.

airuser

Not sure if vectoring is in use from my Exchange (Douglas,Cork). According to the web test I should get "up to" 50M. I am 300 m from the cabinet in a straight. But, that could go in any direction. 2.2km from exchange.

Good luck to morrow

Airuser

domeld

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Been on hold with Vodafone for 26 minutes trying to order Fibre.

Last time I rang before I got disconnected they said I could get up to 100Mb so Vectoring must have been enabled in Carlow.

It is enabled