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When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭kingtiger


    304239.PNG

    I think Vectoring has been enabled on my line (about 600m to cab)

    do you think I can get a faster profile?


  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭sparky63


    density wrote: »
    I'm with Vodafone, and I've been watching the stats of my Huawei modem change over the past month. I have pasted in a few profiles below. The attainable rates have been falling steadily, whilst the SNRs have been going up and down. Line attenuation remains fairly constant. Does anyone have an explanation for or insights into this behaviour? The pings on the bestaccording to Speedtest.net results are consistently around 6ms now, where they would have been several times higher before the vectoring kicked in.

    Line standard VDSL2
    VDSL standard Profile 17a
    Channel type None
    02/04 00.21 02/04 19.35 10/04 10.25 15/04 07.25 22/04 18.57
    Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 50170 50170 50176 50176 50176
    Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 15358 15358 15360 15360 15360
    Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 107284 103812 94568 81992 70180
    Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 29077 28787 23542 23919 23017
    Downstream SNR (dB) 20.8 19.4 25.8 23.9 18.8
    Upstream SNR (dB) 13.7 13.5 14.3 14.7 14
    Downstream line attenuation (dB) 12.4 12.4 12.5 12.5 12.5
    Upstream line attenuation (dB) 4 4 4.1 4.1 4.1
    Downstream output power (dBmV) 13.1 13.1 13.1 13.1 13.1
    Upstream output power (dBmV) -3.5 -3.5 -3.4 -3.4 -3.4
    Downstream CRC 632 654 0 1 8
    Upstream CRC 1 1 0 0 0
    Downstream FEC 20771746 21899927 0 46261 61322
    Upstream FEC 872807 933876 0 545 1542

    Supposed to be issues with vectoring compatibility with some of the other operators modems. Downstream rate is not differing. Problem will be if they increase your profile as your max rate is varying widely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭sparky63


    jimmad wrote: »
    So Still no sign of vectoring on my digiweb line here in letterkenny, but out home the eircom line has been upgraded and altho only on the 50 meg package is enjoying healthy pings with INP set to 29/29 with 0 delay.

    I have taken the F1000 router from home and plugged it into my digiweb line to see the line stats compared to that given by the fritz box and low and behold
    ============================================================================
        VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                        Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
                VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
                Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
                 Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 2 minutes
    ============================================================================
           VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
                   Line Rate:     20.477 Mbps       61.436 Mbps
        Actual Net Data Rate:     20.478 Mbps       61.437 Mbps
              Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
                  SNR Margin:       10.0 dB           16.2 dB
                Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
              Transmit Power:      - 2.4 dBm          12.4 dBm
               Receive Power:      -20.0 dBm          -8.6 dBm
                  Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
           Total Attenuation:       17.6 dB           21.0 dB
    Attainable Net Data Rate:     23.058 Mbps       82.628 Mbps
    ============================================================================
          VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
      Line Attenuation(dB):  4.6    23.8    34.9     N/A    12.8    30.3    46.6   
    Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.6    22.9    33.7     N/A    16.7    30.1    46.6   
            SNR Margin(dB): 10.2    10.3     9.8     N/A    16.3    16.3    16.2   
       Transmit Power(dBm):-16.1   - 6.6   - 4.8     N/A     7.9     7.8     7.2   
    ============================================================================
    

    Compared to that of my digiweb line of the following.
    Max. DSLAM throughput	kbit/s	61440	20480
    Min. DSLAM throughput	kbit/s	1024	1024
    Attainable data rate	kbit/s	57067	14122
    Current throughput	kbit/s	57530	13447
    Seamless rate adaptation		off	off
     			
    Latency		4 ms	8 ms
    Impulse Noise Protection		28	2
    G.inp		on	off
     			
    Signal-to-noise ratio	dB	9	9
    Bitswap		on	off
    Line attenuation	dB	17	13
     			
    Profile	17a		
    G.Vector		off	off
     			
    Carrier record		B43	B43
    


    If I had digiwebs settings I could connect the line properly using the eircom router, but digiweb are obviously telling fibs here in order to prevent a better more costly service, or maybe im missing something?

    G vectoring is off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭OcocO


    kingtiger wrote: »
    304239.PNG

    I think Vectoring has been enabled on my line (about 600m to cab)

    do you think I can get a faster profile?

    I doubt it: it looks like you're with Vodafone and your down SNR is only a little over 9, which is the current minimum that the line will sync at (with Vodafone anyway).


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 trister


    Hi,

    Anyone in Ballsbridge/Shelbourne Road area noticed that vectoring has been switched on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    is it live in castlebar yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Anyone think it's possible / worthwhile trying to start a list of exchanges / boxes with Vectoring enabled? Similar to the Efibre enabled list last year??

    Is there even a definitive way to know? Looking at my F1000 I can't see anyway to tell unless you've recorded SNR's over time (which I haven't )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    Deagol wrote: »
    Anyone think it's possible / worthwhile trying to start a list of exchanges / boxes with Vectoring enabled? Similar to the Efibre enabled list last year??

    Is there even a definitive way to know? Looking at my F1000 I can't see anyway to tell unless you've recorded SNR's over time (which I haven't )

    Will these do:

    http://irelandoffline.org/mapbeta/#/main

    http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Neither of which tells you anything about vectoring old bean....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23 trister


    Deagol wrote: »
    Anyone think it's possible / worthwhile trying to start a list of exchanges / boxes with Vectoring enabled? Similar to the Efibre enabled list last year??

    Is there even a definitive way to know? Looking at my F1000 I can't see anyway to tell unless you've recorded SNR's over time (which I haven't )

    Yes, I think it would be useful to those who have modems that will not display whether vectoring is enabled or show the Attainable rate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭naughto


    irishgeo wrote: »
    is it live in castlebar yet?

    Ya it is I got mine done only got a small 10mb jump in speed was hoping I'd get more.have 40 down 10up now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    naughto wrote: »
    Ya it is I got mine done only got a small 10mb jump in speed was hoping I'd get more.have 40 down 10up now

    i dont appear to have got anything.:(

    still 30/8 , i am out the last cabinet on the westport rd about 500m from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭naughto


    irishgeo wrote: »
    i dont appear to have got anything.:(

    still 30/8 , i am out the last cabinet on the westport rd about 500m from it.

    You need to get on to them ring them or use the web chat on there site.it not done automatically


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Eircom have done something around my way but I don't know if it's attributable to vectoring. Attainable speeds on the upstream have dropped off by about 3 mbs. Not a huge deal, but enough to make you wonder if there's more slackening in service yet to come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    irishgeo wrote: »
    i dont appear to have got anything.:(

    still 30/8 , i am out the last cabinet on the westport rd about 500m from it.

    you eircom or vodafone


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭naughto


    eircom.i should be connected to the cabnet near st geralds but ah no iam connected to the fecking one at glen fort i think the name of it is.thats why only on 40/10 would be on alot more if it was the one at the school


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭FaganJr


    naughto wrote: »
    eircom.i should be connected to the cabnet near st geralds but ah no iam connected to the fecking one at glen fort i think the name of it is.thats why only on 40/10 would be on alot more if it was the one at the school

    Whats your router stats, as I dont think Vectoring has been enabled yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭naughto


    FaganJr wrote: »
    Whats your router stats, as I dont think Vectoring has been enabled yet?
    VDSL Training Status: Showtime
    Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
    VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
    Traffic Type: PTM Mode
    Link Uptime: 13 days: 9 hours: 14 minutes
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
    Line Rate: 10.239 Mbps 39.853 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate: 10.240 Mbps 39.854 Mbps
    Trellis Coding: ON ON
    SNR Margin: 8.9 dB 8.4 dB
    Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
    Transmit Power: 8.4 dBm 12.8 dBm
    Receive Power: -7.0 dBm -16.2 dBm
    Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 29.0 symbols
    Total Attenuation: 15.5 dB 29.0 dB
    Attainable Net Data Rate: 11.112 Mbps 42.640 Mbps
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
    Line Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.4 59.6 N/A 19.0 50.7 77.0
    Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.0 57.3 N/A 27.5 50.3 N/A
    SNR Margin(dB): 9.2 8.9 8.9 N/A 8.4 8.4 N/A
    Transmit Power(dBm): 0.3 5.9 3.1 N/A 11.2 7.7 N/A
    ============================================================================


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭FaganJr


    naughto wrote: »
    VDSL Training Status: Showtime
    Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
    VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
    Traffic Type: PTM Mode
    Link Uptime: 13 days: 9 hours: 14 minutes
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
    Line Rate: 10.239 Mbps 39.853 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate: 10.240 Mbps 39.854 Mbps
    Trellis Coding: ON ON
    SNR Margin: 8.9 dB 8.4 dB
    Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
    Transmit Power: 8.4 dBm 12.8 dBm
    Receive Power: -7.0 dBm -16.2 dBm
    Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 29.0 symbols
    Total Attenuation: 15.5 dB 29.0 dB
    Attainable Net Data Rate: 11.112 Mbps 42.640 Mbps
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
    Line Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.4 59.6 N/A 19.0 50.7 77.0
    Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.0 57.3 N/A 27.5 50.3 N/A
    SNR Margin(dB): 9.2 8.9 8.9 N/A 8.4 8.4 N/A
    Transmit Power(dBm): 0.3 5.9 3.1 N/A 11.2 7.7 N/A
    ============================================================================

    Shouldn't your SNR Margin have gone to 20+ for vectoring?

    What was your stats previously?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭naughto


    the day i got it installed
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status: Showtime
    Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
    VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
    Traffic Type: PTM Mode
    Link Uptime: 0 day: 1 hour: 39 minutes
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
    Line Rate: 8.251 Mbps 30.795 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate: 8.191 Mbps 30.720 Mbps
    Trellis Coding: ON ON
    SNR Margin: 11.7 dB 12.4 dB
    Actual Delay: 6 ms 8 ms
    Transmit Power: 8.3 dBm 12.8 dBm
    Receive Power: -6.5 dBm -16.3 dBm
    Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
    Total Attenuation: 14.8 dB 29.1 dB
    Attainable Net Data Rate: 13.971 Mbps 48.888 Mbps
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
    Line Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.1 59.2 N/A 19.4 50.4 76.5
    Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.4 39.3 56.2 N/A 27.6 50.0 N/A
    SNR Margin(dB): 11.7 11.7 11.7 N/A 12.4 12.4 N/A
    Transmit Power(dBm): 0.8 6.0 1.7 N/A 11.2 7.7 N/A
    =======================================


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭FaganJr


    naughto wrote: »
    the day i got it installed

    So you got a slight speed bump but your
    SNR Margin went down
    &
    Attainable Net Data Rate went down

    Very weird!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Deagol


    FaganJr wrote: »
    So you got a slight speed bump but your
    SNR Margin went down
    &
    Attainable Net Data Rate went down

    Very weird!

    I was one of the first in my area to get efibre and I noticed that over time the net attainables have steadily gone down. I suspect that as more and more people are added to the DSLAM the noise in the cable bundle increases and impacts the neighbouring twisted pairs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    That's true, but I am getting more and more convinced that eircom have enabled enhanced impulse noise protection (G.INP) on all cabinets, but not yet vectoring on a good number. Why there is a delay in doing this I'm not sure, perhaps they have realised it is causing issues with digiweb's fritzbox, or perhaps I'm talking absolute rubbish...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Deagol


    That's true, but I am getting more and more convinced that eircom have enabled enhanced impulse noise protection (G.INP) on all cabinets, but not yet vectoring on a good number. Why there is a delay in doing this I'm not sure, perhaps they have realised it is causing issues with digiweb's fritzbox, or perhaps I'm talking absolute rubbish...

    Something is definitely upsetting my Fritzbox 7390. It appears that only the enhanced noise protection is on on my cab, (as I'm only seeing 70mb max quoted by the Eircom line checker) but my Fritzbox has become much more unstable the last couple of weeks.

    I called Eircom tech support, they said they could see a 'short and earth fault' and I'm awaiting a visit now. Be interesting to see if they find a real fault or not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭GIMickey


    jimmad wrote: »
    So Still no sign of vectoring on my digiweb line here in letterkenny, but out home the eircom line has been upgraded and altho only on the 50 meg package is enjoying healthy pings with INP set to 29/29 with 0 delay.

    I have taken the F1000 router from home and plugged it into my digiweb line to see the line stats compared to that given by the fritz box and low and behold
    ============================================================================
        VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                        Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
                VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
                Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
                 Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 2 minutes
    ============================================================================
           VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
                   Line Rate:     20.477 Mbps       61.436 Mbps
        Actual Net Data Rate:     20.478 Mbps       61.437 Mbps
              Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
                  SNR Margin:       10.0 dB           16.2 dB
                Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
              Transmit Power:      - 2.4 dBm          12.4 dBm
               Receive Power:      -20.0 dBm          -8.6 dBm
                  Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
           Total Attenuation:       17.6 dB           21.0 dB
    Attainable Net Data Rate:     23.058 Mbps       82.628 Mbps
    ============================================================================
          VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
      Line Attenuation(dB):  4.6    23.8    34.9     N/A    12.8    30.3    46.6   
    Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.6    22.9    33.7     N/A    16.7    30.1    46.6   
            SNR Margin(dB): 10.2    10.3     9.8     N/A    16.3    16.3    16.2   
       Transmit Power(dBm):-16.1   - 6.6   - 4.8     N/A     7.9     7.8     7.2   
    ============================================================================
    

    Compared to that of my digiweb line of the following.
    Max. DSLAM throughput	kbit/s	61440	20480
    Min. DSLAM throughput	kbit/s	1024	1024
    Attainable data rate	kbit/s	57067	14122
    Current throughput	kbit/s	57530	13447
    Seamless rate adaptation		off	off
     			
    Latency		4 ms	8 ms
    Impulse Noise Protection		28	2
    G.inp		on	off
     			
    Signal-to-noise ratio	dB	9	9
    Bitswap		on	off
    Line attenuation	dB	17	13
     			
    Profile	17a		
    G.Vector		off	off
     			
    Carrier record		B43	B43
    


    If I had digiwebs settings I could connect the line properly using the eircom router, but digiweb are obviously telling fibs here in order to prevent a better more costly service, or maybe im missing something?


    Wow, i might have to try that my self. Jimmad our line is almost identical. I too am getting 9db both ways on my SNR.

    Digiweb are a shower of bastards


  • Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭jimmad


    So after some messing about being told I could get faster tan 60/20 im now on a 90/20 profile synced at 85/20 very happy, its all who you get on tech support really.
    ============================================================================
        VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                        Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
                VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
                Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
                 Link Uptime:   0 day: 22 hours: 40 minutes
    ============================================================================
           VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
                   Line Rate:     20.477 Mbps       85.412 Mbps
        Actual Net Data Rate:     20.478 Mbps       85.413 Mbps
              Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
                  SNR Margin:        9.9 dB           10.6 dB
                Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
              Transmit Power:      - 2.4 dBm          12.4 dBm
               Receive Power:      -20.1 dBm          -8.3 dBm
                  Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
           Total Attenuation:       17.7 dB           20.7 dB
    Attainable Net Data Rate:     22.843 Mbps       87.560 Mbps
    ============================================================================
          VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
      Line Attenuation(dB):  4.6    23.7    34.9     N/A    12.7    30.3    46.7   
    Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.6    23.6    34.1     N/A    16.7    30.1    46.7   
            SNR Margin(dB):  9.2     9.8     9.9     N/A    10.3    10.2    10.2   
       Transmit Power(dBm):-16.1   - 6.5   - 4.9     N/A     8.2     7.9     6.9
    

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭airuser


    Good to hear suppliers are listening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Finally had it confirmed today that vectoring is not turned on for my cabinet (ENS1-020) :(

    But unable to find out when it will be :rolleyes:

    Did find out though that the Fritzbox routers seem to be a problem. My one is giving SNR of 9db up / down compared to the F1000 14db / 13db.


  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭GIMickey


    I am currently on the 70/20 profile. I was able to get 65mb down and 20mb up from that profile. A few weeks ago when everyone experienced the small drop in download but G.inp turned on. My speed drop from 65mb sync to 46-47mb sync. Then jimmad posted a comment with findings he got on an eircom router so i tried this.

    My fritzBox dsl Firmware 6.04

    Max. DSLAM throughput kbit/s 71680 20480
    Min. DSLAM throughput kbit/s 1024 1024
    Attainable data rate kbit/s 47293 17635
    Current throughput kbit/s 47398 16737
    Seamless rate adaptation off off

    Latency fast 8 ms
    Impulse Noise Protection 28 2
    G.inp on off

    Signal-to-noise ratio dB 9 9
    Bitswap on on
    Line attenuation dB 21 14

    Profile 17a
    G.Vector off off

    Carrier record B43 B43


    Vodafone modem firmware B214

    Line standard VDSL2
    Channel type None
    Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 67621
    Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 20478
    Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 71292
    Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 23039
    Downstream SNR (dB) 9.4
    Upstream SNR (dB) 9.7
    Downstream line attenuation (dB) 15
    Upstream line attenuation (dB) 5.4
    Downstream output power (dBmV) 14.3
    Upstream output power (dBmV) 5.1
    Downstream CRC 0
    Upstream CRC 0
    Downstream FEC 0
    Upstream FEC 0



    Now as you can see the fritzbox cuts off 20mb. I rand digiweb and got tech support level 2. I was told that digiweb wont be doin the speeds of up to 100mb anytime soon because the modem has issues with it. Tech support said that. Was told that digiweb will now contact fritzbox directly about this, so i have to wait about 2 weeks for an answer.

    Tonight i will be getting an eircom modem to test my line, will post results later. For anyone that wants to know, im about 550m from the cabinet

    So can someone please tell me why my line attenuation is different on both boxes.

    Also i brought my fritzbox to my friends houses to test my box on the lines. Bought one guy from 72mb down to 56mb, then in another house it brought their line from 51mb to 35mb


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Fritzbox would appear to just be total junk. If its being trounced by the Zyxels thats bad as they arent a very high bar to beat.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭GIMickey


    ED E wrote: »
    Fritzbox would appear to just be total junk. If its being trounced by the Zyxels thats bad as they arent a very high bar to beat.

    Even though fritzbox can support vectoring with their latest firmware upgrade, digiweb said that alot of problems are arising, so they aren't releasing vectoring speeds (100mb) any time soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/index.php Website says it all... :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭GIMickey


    Don't get me wrong, functionality on this box is pretty good. Only really having the problems since the newest update 6.04. On the fritzbox i was getting the same stats as the vodafone modem. This all changed a few weeks back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Surprising really as they're probably all using more or less the same chipsets.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    Surprising really as they're probably all using more or less the same chipsets.

    I've no inside information, but despite probably using the same chipset, putting together the boards in a different reconfiguration etc. can cause interference or other issues.


  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭GIMickey


    Eircom Router Results



    ============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status: Showtime
    Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
    VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
    Traffic Type: PTM Mode
    Link Uptime: 0 day: 0 hour: 8 minutes
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
    Line Rate: 20.477 Mbps 71.678 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate: 20.478 Mbps 71.679 Mbps
    Trellis Coding: ON ON
    SNR Margin: 10.0 dB 10.7 dB
    Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
    Transmit Power: 5.1 dBm 14.2 dBm
    Receive Power: -15.9 dBm -7.6 dBm
    Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 30.0 symbols
    Total Attenuation: 21.1 dB 21.9 dB
    Attainable Net Data Rate: 23.145 Mbps 75.156 Mbps
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
    Line Attenuation(dB): 5.4 29.3 43.4 N/A 15.2 37.1 56.1
    Signal Attenuation(dB): 5.4 28.7 42.5 N/A 19.6 36.8 56.1
    SNR Margin(dB): 10.9 9.9 10.1 N/A 9.8 9.9 9.8
    Transmit Power(dBm):-10.8 - 1.2 3.8 N/A 11.9 8.0 6.9
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  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭MrGarak


    On 50Mb at the moment, called Eircom today to see if 100Mb was available (I'm in Leixlip), but the guy told me my line is only capable of 40Mb :S

    I asked when 100Mb would be available and he said Summer 2015. Maybe I'm speaking to the wrong person :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Very annoyed about the Fritzbox, I paid north of €200 for it as it had a lot of exccellent reviews.

    Going to contact them and ask them to look at this as a matter of urgency, or I'll be returning it for refund. Plus of course the obligatory bad write up on review sites!


  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭GIMickey


    Yeah do. The more the merrier


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    The good thing about AVM (FritzBox manufacturer) is that they will actually fix the problem if it exists and can be fixed. Can't say that for many manufacturers who don't care once they have your money.

    If there's a real problem here then I'd expect AVM to roll an updated firmware fix quite soon, but report the problem as otherwise they have no way of knowing about it.

    Vectoring is planned by Telekom here so the German firmware (the firmware is different because Germany uses a different annex for ADSL, which these modems also support, than most other places including the UK/Ireland) so it's not just the language interface that's different, if it were they would probably just have a common firmware and a language option) possibly already supports or has fixed the issue at hand and just needs to be ported over to the international firmware.

    Get on to them anyway. Their customer support is very good. Not too many other manufacturers roll out new features in their modem firmware releases so that older devices can profit from new developments. Most want you to bin your device and buy a new one, only releasing firmware to patch bugfixes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    I was vectored about three weeks ago (I'm on VF) and have had a substantial improvement in SNR etc. I'm on the 70/20 profile and have waited to see if there would be any bump in speed. Nothing so far, so I checked on VF's line checker and it said I could get up to 100Mb on my line. Contact VF tech support and first lad (nice pleasant chap) said there was no profile above 70Mb available and didn't think there was anything higher available :rolleyes: Told him my line check said 100Mb and the standard offering from VF was now 100Mb. Anyway, nice and all as he was, I was getting nowhere so I terminated the call. Rang again, this time on the mobile via the freefone number and again got through to tech support (different chap). Went through the same rigamarole but this time he said my line was testing as 120Mb capable (this agreed with my extended modem stats), but that he could not raise my profile as it was not available to him on the system. It appears that it is linked to the pre-qual checks run by eircom and that they hadn't been upgraded and that he didn't know if/when they would. Is it worth contacting eircom regarding this? Will they deal with me as a VF customer? My line stats below:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Eircom will not deal with you I'd imagine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    They wont have access to your line to make a change. Only eircom Wholesale could and they dont deal with customers.

    The new bitstream protocols are live, eircom announced it and there have been people profiled to 90+ so I supsect either the vodafone techs dont know how to do it or they havent been added into their internal systems yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    ED E wrote: »
    They wont have access to your line to make a change. Only eircom Wholesale could and they dont deal with customers.

    The new bitstream protocols are live, eircom announced it and there have been people profiled to 90+ so I supsect either the vodafone techs dont know how to do it or they havent been added into their internal systems yet.
    The feeling I got when talking with the two bods in VF "tech" support was they they knew very little about the vectoring upgrades. However, some pages back in this thread a poster did get upped to 100Mb profile on VF and AlanS, who got installed last Friday, went straight onto the 100Mb profile and VF's website has 100Mb plastered all over it.
    What I need is another prequal done on my line and for it to show up on VF's internal system, I think. Are these prequals run regularly? Maybe I should take my own counsel and just wait for it to happen in the fullness of time :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    The prequals are done when the cab goes live for vectoring, so if your attainables are good enough to indicate that its vectored then those prequals should have been done.

    What may be happening is that vodafone are updating their own copy of the prequal database every X days, if thats whats happening theres no way to tell when that'd next happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Interestingly, Eircom's site seems be doing live speed qualifications.

    If I switch between routers (a F1000 and a Fritz7390) that give different attainables, and check my line speed on the Eircom site, the numbers change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    ED E wrote: »
    The prequals are done when the cab goes live for vectoring, so if your attainables are good enough to indicate that its vectored then those prequals should have been done.

    What may be happening is that vodafone are updating their own copy of the prequal database every X days, if thats whats happening theres no way to tell when that'd next happen.
    Interesting discrepancy between VF's and eircom's line checkers. VF say 100Mb, eircom say 70Mb. I've been on 70Mb since install day in November and the downstream SNR has more than doubled since April 10th which I assume was when the cab was vectored. Maybe they are having issues with the cab or whatever's connected to it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 48 apm0003


    fat-tony wrote: »
    Interesting discrepancy between VF's and eircom's line checkers. VF say 100Mb, eircom say 70Mb. I've been on 70Mb since install day in November and the downstream SNR has more than doubled since April 10th which I assume was when the cab was vectored. Maybe they are having issues with the cab or whatever's connected to it?

    But does the jump in SNR indicate vectoring being enabled ? I have an AVM Fritzbox 3390 and the jump in SNR happened when G.INP was enabled. The Fritzbox still says G.Vector is not enabled.

    Like other users of Fritzbox, my max attainable speeds dropped significantly after the recent changes and I suspect there may be some issues with their current firmware. My actual data rate did not drop however. Maybe vectoring is enabled but the Fritzbox is not reporting it correctly ?

    Are there any other modems that do indicate if G.Vector is enabled on the line ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    fat-tony wrote: »
    The feeling I got when talking with the two bods in VF "tech" support was they they knew very little about the vectoring upgrades. However, some pages back in this thread a poster did get upped to 100Mb profile on VF and AlanS, who got installed last Friday, went straight onto the 100Mb profile and VF's website has 100Mb plastered all over it.
    What I need is another prequal done on my line and for it to show up on VF's internal system, I think. Are these prequals run regularly? Maybe I should take my own counsel and just wait for it to happen in the fullness of time :p

    Yeah they put me straight onto the highest profile.
    There must be a cabinet closer to me that I'm not seeing because I thought I was around 400 metres away, or my maths is badly off, either or!
    Does anyone have that image where it had a graph showing the speed dropping as the distance increases?
    It's on this thread somewhere I think.


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