When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

SpaceTime

Cork981 wrote: »

Don't think so, I'm on the churchfield exchange and haven't seen any changes yet.

I'm checking daily.

I guess it'll happen soon.

Vico1612

Spoke to VF techsupport : they confirmed that Vectoring is enabled but have no immediate plans for higher speeds
Strange ....

SpaceTime

Vico1612 wrote: »

Spoke to VF techsupport : they confirmed that Vectoring is enabled but have no immediate plans for higher speeds
Strange ....

I don't think eircom's released wholesale vectoring plans yet. They would have to announce new a new set of wholesale packages which gives me the impression that we're not going to see a speed increase for a little while yet.

I'd guess once all the cabinets are switched on, they'll start selling it. Otherwise, you're going to have a whole mess with having to tell customers it's not available and undermining your own sales.

Once they're happy with the initial phase of the rollout, I assume it's just a matter of software updating a load of cabinets over a few days/weeks and all of a sudden everyone will be ready to roll. Then either speed bump, or a new upgraded top rate product.

Edit:

I'm wrong they were added.

Two new products on the Stable/Multicast table: 85 Mbit/s Down and 20Mbit/s up and a 80 Mbit/s down and 20 Mbit/s up package
Three new products on the 'high speed internet table: 100 Mbit/s down 20 Mbit/s up and 90 Mbit/s down and 20 mbit/s up and a 80Mbit/s down and 20 Mbit/s up profile.


"The High Speed Internet (HSI) range is ‘Rate Adaptive’ in both directions – this means that the line speed in each direction varies, depending on local line conditions, up to the maximum value specified by the profile currently set on that line. The ‘Stable’ range is ‘Rate Adaptive’ upstream and ‘Fixed’ downstream. This means that the downstream speed is set by the applied profile and does not vary. High Speed Internet or Stable/ Non-rate adaptive is selected at Order submission, but can be changed subsequently"

All this information is available publicly, nothing insider about it : http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/Products/Broadband/Next_Generation_Access/

AFAIK, they're required to publish it by ComReg.

ED E

SpaceTime wrote: »

AFAIK, they're required to publish it by ComReg.

They have to furnish all new all line operators with new info/products at the same time. Don't know if it has to be public though(seems to be usually though).

SpaceTime

ED E wrote: »

They have to furnish all new all line operators with new info/products at the same time. Don't know if it has to be public though(seems to be usually though).

It's all in the above link on their wholesale website.

ED E

SpaceTime wrote: »

It's all in the above link on their wholesale website.

I know, just commenting about the general requirements.

SpaceTime

ED E wrote: »

I know, just commenting about the general requirements.

I've never seen them actually take out adverts in the papers for speed increases, just entirely new products.

I'd assume Eircom Retail, Vodafone and everyone else has to now come up with products for those new line rates. Hopefully it will just mean a speed bump for everyone, like the way UPC does things generally.

ED E

The 70Mb Unlims are due to be getting it free from eircom retail, or so I'm told.

EDIT: By free I mean no change of package, no contract etc.

SpaceTime

ED E wrote: »

The 70Mb Unlims are due to be getting it free from eircom retail, or so I'm told.

I'm only on the up to 50 package due to the line length, we get about 40. Hopefully it might see a bit of an improvement.

KeRbDoG

Great to see my original post is getting some use, also great to see that vectoring is getting rolled out

Question for yea. Without calling up Eircom and having fun speaking to someone there, is there a way from logging into the modem to see if vectoring has been enabled on the cab?
Is it possible its enabled on the cab and it might just mean I need to call'em and ask to "reprofile me" ?

AlanS181824

I'm still stuck with Sky until I ring up on the 18th of this month.
This is slightly unrelated but hopefully someone can help me.
I live in a UPC 200/10 & Eircom 70/20 area now I know I probably won't get those speeds but I'm just wondering which should I choose? I'm leaning more towards VDSL as nearly all the devices I have can't handle a full 200Mb over WiFi and usually get around 50Mb, well bar my PC but they all seem to be able to max out the upload.
I always back up my pictures online too so a faster upload would be beneficial.
I don't want to get VDSL in an 12/18 month contract only for UPC to announce that they've increased their upload.
Opinions?
Thanks.

OneEightSeven

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I'm still stuck with Sky until I ring up on the 18th of this month.
This is slightly unrelated but hopefully someone can help me.
I live in a UPC 200/10 & Eircom 70/20 area now I know I probably won't get those speeds but I'm just wondering which should I choose? I'm leaning more towards VDSL as nearly all the devices I have can't handle a full 200Mb over WiFi and usually get around 50Mb, well bar my PC but they all seem to be able to max out the upload.
I always back up my pictures online too so a faster upload would be beneficial.
I don't want to get VDSL in an 12/18 month contract only for UPC to announce that they've increased their upload.
Opinions?
Thanks.

Just listen to your heart.

Nonoperational

Depends on your upload speed requirements. I'm very happy with 50/20 VDSL. It really hasn't missed a beat in the few months I have it.

SpaceTime

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I'm still stuck with Sky until I ring up on the 18th of this month.
This is slightly unrelated but hopefully someone can help me.
I live in a UPC 200/10 & Eircom 70/20 area now I know I probably won't get those speeds but I'm just wondering which should I choose? I'm leaning more towards VDSL as nearly all the devices I have can't handle a full 200Mb over WiFi and usually get around 50Mb, well bar my PC but they all seem to be able to max out the upload.
I always back up my pictures online too so a faster upload would be beneficial.
I don't want to get VDSL in an 12/18 month contract only for UPC to announce that they've increased their upload.
Opinions?
Thanks.

UPC's speeds are also pretty much as advertised, there's no distance-related drop off where as there is with VDSL.

michaelotoole

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Question for yea. Without calling up Eircom and having fun speaking to someone there, is there a way from logging into the modem to see if vectoring has been enabled on the cab?

From what I've read I believe you should see an improvement to the Attainable Net Data Rate...

I would also imagine if your not getting the 70Mb, then vectoring should bring you close of over it...

Looking forward to one of the techies answering your question...

bk

SpaceTime wrote: »

Edit:

I'm wrong they were added.

Two new products on the Stable/Multicast table: 85 Mbit/s Down and 20Mbit/s up and a 80 Mbit/s down and 20 Mbit/s up package
Three new products on the 'high speed internet table: 100 Mbit/s down 20 Mbit/s up and 90 Mbit/s down and 20 mbit/s up and a 80Mbit/s down and 20 Mbit/s up profile.

Also, in addition to the new profiles, all of the existing profiles have gotten a significant boost in the distance from the cab that they operate at. For instance you will now get 50mb/s at 850 meters where previously you would only get 30mb/s

OneEightSeven

Does anyone have a list of the current, non-vectoring profiles?

AlanS181824

Was talking to a guy called Lenny from Eircom, they've been ringing several times a day for ages. Asked him about Vectoring, said he hadn't a clue, told him Vodafone was cheaper said he didn't know they did Fibre broadband. Ended up politely telling him no thank you.

Had a call from Eircom, WiMax and UPC in the space of a few days... They must know the contract is ending! :rolleyes:

crawler

Profiles

Ones less than 70Mbps are the non vectored ones.

Praetorian

100m/bit download is nice but I am still slightly disappointed they aren't bumping the upload rate. It is really the area where vdsl excels over UPC. Would have been nice to make UPC look even more mean with their 10m/bit vs a 40m/bit vdsl upload.

Could be interesting (but unfortunate) for me, that my own cab appears to be vector enabled, but I've seen no improvement in stats and may not actually get any vector bump at all!

Cork981

Would mind an upload like this.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/473741/298625.PNG

AlanS181824

Why can't the upload be increased? VDSL is well capable I'm sure.

KeRbDoG

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Without calling up Eircom and having fun speaking to someone there, is there a way from logging into the modem to see if vectoring has been enabled on the cab?
Is it possible its enabled on the cab and it might just mean I need to call'em and ask to "reprofile me" ?

Anyone know if its possible to tell if a cab has had vectoring enabled other than just calling Eircom?

AlanS181824

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Anyone know if its possible to tell if a cab has had vectoring enabled other than just calling Eircom?

Wouldn't bother ringing Eircom, the guy I was talking to didn't even know what Vectoring was!

KeRbDoG

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Wouldn't bother ringing Eircom, the guy I was talking to didn't even know what Vectoring was!

Ha, maybe asking them for someone who knows more about what they are supporting

OneEightSeven

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Anyone know if its possible to tell if a cab has had vectoring enabled other than just calling Eircom?

Go to page 16 of this thread. In this post, he experienced a boost in his attainable net data rate and noise margin.

anotherposter

the following exchanges have vectoring enabled

Ballyboden
Balbriggaan
Swords
Tallaght
Terenure
Drogheda co louth
newbridge co kildare
naas co kildare

density

So, if vectoring has been enabled in places within my exchange, as I have seen from stats posted in this thread, is it just a matter of waiting until they get around to activating it for my cabinet? I am with Vodafone, and I believe the firmware for the Huawei router was updated at least a week ago, but the line stats have not changed at all. I suppose I should ask a neighbour who is with Eircom to verify if that status extends beyond my ISP, but maybe others have had experience with Vodafone lagging behind others.

SpaceTime

For the Eircom modem, what firmware version should we be looking out for?

Vico1612

density wrote: »

So, if vectoring has been enabled in places within my exchange, as I have seen from stats posted in this thread, is it just a matter of waiting until they get around to activating it for my cabinet? I am with Vodafone, and I believe the firmware for the Huawei router was updated at least a week ago, but the line stats have not changed at all. I suppose I should ask a neighbour who is with Eircom to verify if that status extends beyond my ISP, but maybe others have had experience with Vodafone lagging behind others.

I spoke to VF support last week as my VF modem has also been updated.
They confirmed that the software update was for Vectoring support.
However I was told that they don't have any immediate plans to bump up speeds ...

Praetorian

anotherposter wrote: »

the following exchanges have vectoring enabled

Ballyboden
Balbriggaan
Swords
Tallaght
Terenure
Drogheda co louth
newbridge co kildare
naas co kildare

I'm from Balbriggan and my family all of vdsl. None of us have any improvements on stats or speeds yet.

Steviemak

Some information in the article linked below

Eircom has deployed vectoring technology to 150 of its fibre broadband cabinets, Lennon said. By the end of this month, vectoring will have been deployed to the vast majority of Eircom's 3,000 fibre broadband cabinets

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/item/36155-light-at-the-end-of-the/

seanp_25

Will 70MBps to 100MBps be a free upgrade on eircom and all re-sellers?

(Assuming line is capable of 70 and 100.)

allen175

Praetorian wrote: »

I'm from Balbriggan and my family all of vdsl. None of us have any improvements on stats or speeds yet.

As far as i can tell, all the cabs in Balbriggan have the vectoring software install but just not enabled on all cabs yet. I know that the cab at Barnwell court has it enabled. Speeds are not being automatically put up to the faster speeds, it is something that tech support will do.

Praetorian

allen175 wrote: »

As far as i can tell, all the cabs in Balbriggan have the vectoring software install but just not enabled on all cabs yet. I know that the cab at Barnwell court has it enabled. Speeds are not being automatically put up to the faster speeds, it is something that tech support will do.

Good insider info, thanks

AlanS181824

Have to wait another month now to get Fibre... Hopefully by then Vectoring is enabled and active.

SpaceTime

I'm still on 1.00(AAHA.4)D0 on the ZyXel eircom F1000 modem/access gateway.

Has that changed for anyone?

allen175

SpaceTime wrote: »

I'm still on 1.00(AAHA.4)D0 on the ZyXel eircom F1000 modem/access gateway.

Has that changed for anyone?

No that is the latest version available.

douglasman

Vectoring has been turned on for some cabinets in Douglas, Cork today. It's being done on a cabinet by cabinet basis, nothing to do with exchange as the equipment in question is not in the exchange. For eircom customers, the latest F1000 firmware is 1.00(AAHA.4)D0 which has been in use for a while. Here are some mouth watering vectored enabled stats for you hot off the press!



============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 7 hours: 1 minute
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.549 Mbps 71.812 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 71.672 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 10.3 dB 19.1 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 7 ms
Transmit Power: -12.1 dBm 12.0 dBm
Receive Power: -24.2 dBm 0.2 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 12.1 dB 11.8 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 31.524 Mbps 129.456 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 2.9 15.3 22.1 N/A 9.1 20.6 31.5
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.9 14.7 21.1 N/A 7.0 20.4 31.4
SNR Margin(dB): 10.3 10.4 10.3 N/A 19.0 19.1 19.1
Transmit Power(dBm):-23.3 -14.5 -16.6 N/A 7.0 7.8 7.0
============================================================================

syboit

douglasman wrote: »

Vectoring has been turned on for some cabinets in Douglas, Cork today. It's being done on a cabinet by cabinet basis, nothing to do with exchange as the equipment in question is not in the exchange. For eircom customers, the latest F1000 firmware is 1.00(AAHA.4)D0 which has been in use for a while. Here are some mouth watering vectored enabled stats for you hot off the press!


Attainable Net Data Rate: 31.524 Mbps 129.456 Mbps

Is it the Attainable rate that has increased ? So now we have to wait for eircom to role out upgrades ?

douglasman

syboit wrote: »

Is it the Attainable rate that has increased ? So now we have to wait for eircom to role out upgrades ?

Hi,

Yes. The official eFibre products are "up to 70Mb" at the moment. The following info is from an earlier post from SpaceTime in this thread, so new spec products are on the way.

Two new products on the Stable/Multicast table: 85 Mbit/s Down and 20Mbit/s up and a 80 Mbit/s down and 20 Mbit/s up package
Three new products on the 'high speed internet table: 100 Mbit/s down 20 Mbit/s up and 90 Mbit/s down and 20 mbit/s up and a 80Mbit/s down and 20 Mbit/s up profile.

dalta5billion

douglasman wrote: »

Vectoring has been turned on for some cabinets in Douglas, Cork today. It's being done on a cabinet by cabinet basis, nothing to do with exchange as the equipment in question is not in the exchange. For eircom customers, the latest F1000 firmware is 1.00(AAHA.4)D0 which has been in use for a while. Here are some mouth watering vectored enabled stats for you hot off the press!



============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 7 hours: 1 minute
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.549 Mbps 71.812 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 71.672 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 10.3 dB 19.1 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 7 ms
Transmit Power: -12.1 dBm 12.0 dBm
Receive Power: -24.2 dBm 0.2 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 12.1 dB 11.8 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 31.524 Mbps 129.456 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 2.9 15.3 22.1 N/A 9.1 20.6 31.5
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.9 14.7 21.1 N/A 7.0 20.4 31.4
SNR Margin(dB): 10.3 10.4 10.3 N/A 19.0 19.1 19.1
Transmit Power(dBm):-23.3 -14.5 -16.6 N/A 7.0 7.8 7.0
============================================================================

How far from the cabinet was that?

And does anyone know what each cab's backhaul capacity is?

AlanS181824

129Mb attainable? That's amazingly fast...

jca

AlanS181824 wrote: »

129Mb attainable? That's amazingly fast...

My attainable speed has risen to 87/36 but Eircom won't change me off my 50/20 profile. I rang today and he said they couldn't do it because the line would become unstable. My wired speed test results are 47/18 I'm about 550m from the cabinet. I know I shouldn't be complaining but I'm surprised the line would become unstable with a 20 meg increase.

AlanS181824

jca wrote: »

My attainable speed has risen to 87/36 but Eircom won't change me off my 50/20 profile. I rang today and he said they couldn't do it because the line would become unstable. My wired speed test results are 47/18 I'm about 550m from the cabinet. I know I shouldn't be complaining but I'm surprised the line would become unstable with a 20 meg increase.

Why can't they increase the 20Mb upload? Your line is well capable it seems.

KeRbDoG

Great news!

I'm 1500m from the cabinet and after the nice and very friendly Eircom broadband phone support lad reprofiled me after I called and asked nicely, I'm now on 30Mbps down and 4Mbps up. Not too bad Its meant to be the 30/8 high speed profile but I only get 4Mbps up. Not complaining

swoofer

are you sure you are 1500m from the cabinet?? I am with VF and about 800m from the vdsl cabinet and get 31m down and 8 up!!

can you post your line stats.

KeRbDoG

swoofer wrote: »

are you sure you are 1500m from the cabinet?? I am with VF and about 800m from the vdsl cabinet and get 31m down and 8 up!!

can you post your line stats.

While I know the route of my cable route to cab, you could be further than you think so it would effect your stats. Cable your cab isn't vector enabled yet?

Line stats in the VDSL Stats post. My line is new, was installed only 4 months ago

OneEightSeven

jca wrote: »

My attainable speed has risen to 87/36 but Eircom won't change me off my 50/20 profile. I rang today and he said they couldn't do it because the line would become unstable. My wired speed test results are 47/18 I'm about 550m from the cabinet. I know I shouldn't be complaining but I'm surprised the line would become unstable with a 20 meg increase.

Why shouldn't you be complaining?

Post your stats from your router's configuration page.

FaganJr

KeRbDoG wrote: »

While I know the route of my cable route to cab, you could be further than you think so it would effect your stats. Cable your cab isn't vector enabled yet?

Line stats in the VDSL Stats post. My line is new, was installed only 4 months ago

Where do you get the VDSL Stats log from?

I have logging turned on and its even e-mailing logs to me but no info?

Thanks