Reviving the youghal railway line

whisky_galore

Markcheese wrote: »

Why did they remove only half the track , not that the other half is good for anything 25 years on (might be easier to clear without the track )
What stations are along the line ? Mogeely , killeagh ? And youghal ,
Wouldn't be a massive population along the line really ..

If the whole lot were taken up, expect CIE would get earache from local politicians egged on by concerned locals, would seem like closing the door on any future re-opening. Also it's prob more trouble and expense than it's worth to take up second hand panels and relay them.

reic

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Did you get any photos of killeagh station?impossible to get good ones of it,there's a car against one side of it and roof slates against the other side

I never know whether Killeagh station is on private or public property? It seem to be an entrance to a house.

whisky_galore

reic wrote: »

I never know whether Killeagh station is on private or public property? It seem to be an entrance to a house.

The station house (dwelling) was probably left to the stationmaster's family, and relieved CIE of the responsibliity of maintaining it. The trackbed, cabin, platforms, shelter/booking office and old goods area would all be CIE's. If it were to be reopened, CIE would put an alternative entrance in to maintain their privacy.

V.W.L 11

reic wrote: »

I never know whether Killeagh station is on private or public property? It seem to be an entrance to a house.

there is a seperate entrance to the the house (railway lodge) its one drive way that breaks into 2.the station itself is still owned by I.E therefore its in State/Public ownership one would assume.

mordeith

That is the front of the station but the part with the platform can be accessed from another entrance. If I get a chance I'll take a few pics this evening.

EDIT: Killeagh I'm talking about here

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

That is the front of the station but the part with the platform can be accessed from another entrance. If I get a chance I'll take a few pics this evening.

EDIT: Killeagh I'm talking about here

hopefully you have more success than I did,as I mentions in a previous post,there's a car against one side of it and a load of roof slates against another part,the only way to get a shot of it in including the car and slates,the car hasn't moved in quite a while as I have been down that way alot in general,is the youghal station still accessible???

mordeith

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

,is the youghal station still accessible???

There's that spiked, green metal railings around it now so if you're agile enough you can get in. All windows are boarded up though.

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

There's that spiked, green metal railings around it now so if you're agile enough you can get in. All windows are boarded up though.

Will have to take photo's through the railings so,havent gone through the town in about 5 years

reic

I'd love to know where the other entrance to the Killeagh station is. Is it on the road to Ballymacoda?

It's possible to access the Youghal station but as far as I know it's not allowed. Last time I was in there (2 years ago) I followed the railing towards the end, in the direction of the beach.

mordeith

reic wrote: »

I'd love to know where the other entrance to the Killeagh station is. Is it on the road to Ballymacoda?

Yesh, just around the bend on the right.You can see the signal house on the roadside and the gate is just beyond that. You can walk right in as the gate has fallen over. The place is fairly over grown but you still make out the platform and stuff. I've never gone to have a proper look at the station house from that side as the area merges into the back garden of the owner's of the railway house.

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

Yesh, just around the bend on the right.You can see the signal house on the roadside and the gate is just beyond that. You can walk right in as the gate has fallen over. The place is fairly over grown but you still make out the platform and stuff. I've never gone to have a proper look at the station house from that side as the area merges into the back garden of the owner's of the railway house.

I only knew of the one entrance,didnt realise/see the second.

As for the station itself,that driveway breaks into 2,1 for railway lodge,the other for the station itself.

i would assume as its publicly owned,would there not be a right of way on it?i dont exactly want to go and have a look only to be told that i am on private property.

I doubt that is the case,however can anyone with better knowledge answer this?

mordeith

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

I only knew of the one entrance,didnt realise/see the second.

As for the station itself,that driveway breaks into 2,1 for railway lodge,the other for the station itself.

i would assume as its publicly owned,would there not be a right of way on it?i dont exactly want to go and have a look only to be told that i am on private property.

I doubt that is the case,however can anyone with better knowledge answer this?

It is in fact private property. The former station master still lives there and purchased the house and surrounding land from CIE. I'm not sure what the actual boundaries are though and whether or not the rear section with the lines was purchased as well.

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

It is in fact private property. The former station master still lives there and purchased the house and surrounding land from CIE. I'm not sure what the actual boundaries are though and whether or not the rear section with the lines was purchased as well.

so the actual station is privately owned???

mordeith

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

so the actual station is privately owned???

I took two quick pics on the way home for dinner. The light was terrible and I just had my phone. I didn't go in as I was in a rush to get to my dinner

rovoagho

Jesus, I wondered what that building was, had no idea it was the bloody station!

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

I took two quick pics on the way home for dinner. The light was terrible and I just had my phone. I didn't go in as I was in a rush to get to my dinner

Is that first picture on the ballymacoda road by woodview estate???it looks derelict,bloody hell!

mordeith

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Is that first picture on the ballymacoda road by woodview estate???it looks derelict,bloody hell!

Both pics are the same place i.e. where you say above. The first image is the signal house. You see still see all the levers (not sure of correct terminiology here) through a gap in the wall. I'll get some better pics over the weekend and post em up.

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

Both pics are the same place i.e. where you say above. The first image is the signal house. You see still see all the levers (not sure of correct terminiology here) through a gap in the wall. I'll get some better pics over the weekend and post em up.

I'll have to look out for that,its the one thing i have never actually spotted.can you access the inside of that signal box or is the interior also overgrown?

mordeith

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

I'll have to look out for that,its the one thing i have never actually spotted.can you access the inside of that signal box or is the interior also overgrown?

I'm pretty sure you can't get in, the 'peep hole' is fairly small as far as I recall. It's a two-storey job. You can see the underneath of the floor from the gap, so I guess they changed the points from the upper floor and what I'm actually looking at are the workings beneath.

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you can't get in, the 'peep hole' is fairly small as far as I recall. It's a two-storey job. You can see the underneath of the floor from the gap, so I guess they changed the points from the upper floor and what I'm actually looking at are the workings beneath.

looking at it now looks like it wouldn't be wise to attempt to go near it or it would collapse,is your second picture taken on part of the old track?

mordeith

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

looking at it now looks like it wouldn't be wise to attempt to go near it or it would collapse,is your second picture taken on part of the old track?

Taken from where the level crossing would have been

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

Taken from where the level crossing would have been

ah yes I know it now,there's a house there with buses in the yard!

mordeith

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

ah yes I know it now,there's a house there with buses in the yard!

Spot on

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

Spot on

visited that spot in killeagh today,got 3 photos of more or less the same ones you took,but I didn't attempt to go near the station itself,half afraid I would be asked "politely" to leave

mordeith

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

visited that spot in killeagh today,got 3 photos of more or less the same ones you took,but I didn't attempt to go near the station itself,half afraid I would be asked "politely" to leave

Yeah I know what you mean. I'll try and get some closer ones on Sat / Sun.

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

Yeah I know what you mean. I'll try and get some closer ones on Sat / Sun.

Good stuff,look forward to that,i'll try and get a few of youghal station over the weekend too!

reic

These were taken in August 2003. It's probably more dilapidated looking now:

reic

That's Youghal BTW!

confusticated

It might actually be in the same condition, oddly, because there was a new roof put on it since then. Looks a bit strange though. And it's all fenced off now - there used to be a shortcut to the beach from Tides restaurant across the railway line, but the green fencing means you can't go across there anymore.

V.W.L 11

confusticated wrote: »

It might actually be in the same condition, oddly, because there was a new roof put on it since then. Looks a bit strange though. And it's all fenced off now - there used to be a shortcut to the beach from Tides restaurant across the railway line, but the green fencing means you can't go across there anymore.

Tides??jaysus the last time i walked across that part of the line it was called the cosy cafe!must be near enough to 20 years,definately 1996 or before,that much i remember,is the track still on that part?

confusticated

Tides is closed about 4 years now too. Tracks are still there yeah, probably not in good condition though. Think it was fenced off maybe 5 years or so ago, can't remember exactly.

mordeith

Okay, so I took some of the signal house from the outside and the gap in the wall. I didn't take any of the rear of the station as there is a lot of rubble around the place and I couldn't get a decent shot. I mght try again later from further in.

Lower section of signal house (bit out of focus)


Upper section




Outside

V.W.L 11

confusticated wrote: »

Tides is closed about 4 years now too. Tracks are still there yeah, probably not in good condition though. Think it was fenced off maybe 5 years or so ago, can't remember exactly.

Didnt realise tides was closed,is there no way of getting onto the old track now dp you know?the station is looking better since is was reroofed,is there a court order to maintain it?

confusticated

I think it's fenced off from both sides...might take a look when I'm home next weekend. Not sure about the preservation thing either - as far as I remember it was vandalised a few years back, and then reroofed and fenced off. Could have been a preservation order, or maybe it was insured and they took advantage of that to stick a new roof on it. Does look strange though with the new roof on the crumbling building.

V.W.L 11

mordeith wrote: »

Okay, so I took some of the signal house from the outside and the gap in the wall. I didn't take any of the rear of the station as there is a lot of rubble around the place and I couldn't get a decent shot. I mght try again later from further in.

Lower section of signal house (bit out of focus)


Upper section




Outside

I couldn't really get near it myself to get the pics of the inside,fair play though,surprised it doesn't look as bad as the outside.its fairly hazardous in that part where the signal box is located.

V.W.L 11

confusticated wrote: »

I think it's fenced off from both sides...might take a look when I'm home next weekend. Not sure about the preservation thing either - as far as I remember it was vandalised a few years back, and then reroofed and fenced off. Could have been a preservation order, or maybe it was insured and they took advantage of that to stick a new roof on it. Does look strange though with the new roof on the crumbling building.

ithink that debate was discussed earlier in the thread about it being preserved!i'm surprised (and glad) that vandals didn't tear down the fencing to get at the station,as we all know,places of abandonment have an attraction to vandals.

reic

Interesting pictures. I took some pictures there about 30 years ago on B&W infra-red film. I'll try to find the negatives and scan them tomorrow.

V.W.L 11

reic wrote: »

Interesting pictures. I took some pictures there about 30 years ago on B&W infra-red film. I'll try to find the negatives and scan them tomorrow.

do you or anyone else know what happened the turning board???is it still at the station overgrown???is it pics of the youghal station you have OP?

Red Nissan

reic wrote: »

Interesting pictures. I took some pictures there about 30 years ago on B&W infra-red film. I'll try to find the negatives and scan them tomorrow.

Oh I hope you find them, brilliant.

reic

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

do you or anyone else know what happened the turning board???is it still at the station overgrown???is it pics of the youghal station you have OP?

It's the Killeagh station and I remember taking some pictures on the "bog" road, on the Cork road out of Youghal, on the way to Ballymacoda. A few hundred yards down the road, on the right there was a small building with a signal pole. It's long gone now.

V.W.L 11

reic wrote: »

It's the Killeagh station and I remember taking some pictures on the "bog" road, on the Cork road out of Youghal, on the way to Ballymacoda. A few hundred yards down the road, on the right there was a small building with a signal pole. It's long gone now.

I know the road well,the track was uplifted down that way I believe,it shows up on a sat nav but to look at its just an ordinary field.

reic

These were taken in summer 1991. The Carrigtwohill station I think:



Killeagh in infra-red B&W:





And on the bog road outside Youghal there was a small station at a level crossing where the train crossed the road. It was probably manned rather than automatic in it's day:

V.W.L 11

reic wrote: »

These were taken in summer 1991. The Carrigtwohill station I think:



Killeagh in infra-red B&W:





And on the bog road outside Youghal there was a small station at a level crossing where the train crossed the road. It was probably manned rather than automatic in it's day:

if that was carrigtwohill then,look at it now,the same can be done from midleton to youghal hopefully OP fantastic pictures especially in black and white,anyone else have any old photos of this line???

Copyerselveson

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

if that was carrigtwohill then,look at it now,the same can be done from midleton to youghal hopefully OP fantastic pictures especially in black and white,anyone else have any old photos of this line???

They are fantastic pictures. Thanks for posting.

Re-opening the line from Midleton to Youghal would be a great opportunity to kick start the re-generation of Youghal.

V.W.L 11

Copyerselveson wrote: »

They are fantastic pictures. Thanks for posting.

Re-opening the line from Midleton to Youghal would be a great opportunity to kick start the re-generation of Youghal.

the sooner it happens the better IMO,if they want people to get out of cars and onto public transport this is one way of doing it,any statistics available since the midleton station reopened,of its usage???if the ine reopened to youghal to coincide with the summer even it would be a success if say the summers were like that of 2013,lloads more photos of this line on flickr!!!:D

Markcheese

Youghal is a great place with stacks of potential but if you really think the railway is coming back anytime soon (or would bring much with it ) then your seriously deluded, iranrod eireann is bust...the government is bust and the economic benefits of reinstating the line are seriously questionable ...
If you've got energy to spend don't waste it on a daft project ...there's lots youghal has, use that ,rather than bleat over a long departed ,defunct railway...
Maybe if youghal improves,and cork city expands at a phenomenal rate it'd be worth re-examining around 2040/2050...... maybe

V.W.L 11

Markcheese wrote: »

Youghal is a great place with stacks of potential but if you really think the railway is coming back anytime soon (or would bring much with it ) then your seriously deluded, iranrod eireann is bust...the government is bust and the economic benefits of reinstating the line are seriously questionable ...
If you've got energy to spend don't waste it on a daft project ...there's lots youghal has, use that ,rather than bleat over a long departed ,defunct railway...
Maybe if youghal improves,and cork city expands at a phenomenal rate it'd be worth re-examining around 2040/2050...... maybe

If the midleton line made a comeback then who knows,cork county council have the line preserved,so they must have some plan for it?

V.W.L 11

Copyerselveson wrote: »

They are fantastic pictures. Thanks for posting.

Re-opening the line from Midleton to Youghal would be a great opportunity to kick start the re-generation of Youghal.

I was in Youghal today and popped by the old station,to say it in fenced in is putting it politely!the place is like fort bloody knox :eek:

Red Nissan

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

If the midleton line made a comeback then who knows,cork county council have the line preserved,so they must have some plan for it?

Seriously unlikely, in it's heyday, Youghal was served for the industrial cargo. Passengers were never commercially viable, but were a boost for the Summer Service.

Midleton is like Carrigaline is to Cork, a dormitory town to Cork. With nothing in Cobh anymore, expect to see that line close down.

V.W.L 11

Red Nissan wrote: »

Seriously unlikely, in it's heyday, Youghal was served for the industrial cargo. Passengers were never commercially viable, but were a boost for the Summer Service.

Midleton is like Carrigaline is to Cork, a dormitory town to Cork. With nothing in Cobh anymore, expect to see that line close down.

Valid point you have,but the Cobh line if it goes at all it would be put back into service for the summer months I would imagine,due to the tourist season.but I.E have said they plan to open or reopen stations in cork in the future,when only god knows,dunkettle and monard are 2 off hand I can think of.if the youghal route were to never make a return(although I hope it will) then it is purely for financial reasons I.E wont seek a closure order of the line because they would have to maintain it for 10 years,where as now its costing them nothing apart from the work done to the statin in youghal,