2014 Free Agency

Red Crow

davyjose wrote: »

Do you know something about his injury we don't? He was sublime last year and the season before.
Its best if you don't have a clue what you're talking about to say nothing at all.

Stop trying so hard. Reggie Wayne done his ACL last year. He's not coming back at the top level at 35. That's the reason the Colts have to take a chance with Hakeem Nicks who had zero TD's last season.

Don't get too worked up over it though.

davyjose

Red Crow wrote: »

Stop trying so hard. Reggie Wayne done his ACL last year. He's not coming back at the top level at 35. That's the reason the Colts have to take a chance with Hakeem Nicks who had zero TD's last season.

Don't get too worked up over it though.

Reggie still has ridiculously good hands, andruns the best routes of any receiver IMO.
You have no idea how he'll perform next season. Just like nobody expected Manning to come back from 4 neck surgeries and nerve damage and have two of his greatest seasons. I don't think Nicks is a risk either. For the money, its a chance to prove himself. If so its a win-win; if not we move on like we did with Avery and DHB.

TJ Mackie

People have been proclaiming Reggie Wayne to drop off for the last 2/3 offseasons. I'll believe it when I see it.

UnitedIrishman

Sources: Packers have agreed a deal with Julius Peppers.

Now thats a deal I didn't envisage.

Edit: Apparently 3 year deal.. slightly nuts for a 34 year old DE?

The **** I thought the packers ran a 3-4

SameOleJay

3 years is inexplicable given how bad he was last season.

But I think Peppers has one more big year, if he has any interest left in football.

Realt Dearg Sec

SameOleJay wrote: »

3 years is inexplicable given how bad he was last season.

But I think Peppers has one more big year, if he has any interest left in football.

Well if you wanted him interested, moving to our biggest rival to play us twice a year is a fine way to do it. But three years does seem a bit crazy.

Oat23

It's probably a 3 year deal with the guaranteed $ in the first year.

No way they would sign him to a deal that would have them eating money in year 2 and 3 should it not go well in year 1. Especially after the season he just had combined with his age.

Son Of A Vidic

Edelman stays a Pat.

eagle eye

Red Crow wrote: »

Wayne is finished at the top level and Nicks has more talent than TY Hilton. If you think that TY Hilton and 35 year old Reggie Wayne have more talent than Hakeem Nicks then there is little point in continuing on much further. Nicks has the talent to be a top 5 guy. Pity he's throwing it away.

Red Crow wrote: »

Stop trying so hard. Reggie Wayne done his ACL last year. He's not coming back at the top level at 35. That's the reason the Colts have to take a chance with Hakeem Nicks who had zero TD's last season.

Don't get too worked up over it though.

Quoted to make sure they don't disappear.

The reason Reggie Wayne has lasted as long as he has is not athleticism, its because he is an incredibly intelligent route runner so unless he can't make the cuts anymore he will be back as good as ever.

Red Crow

eagle eye wrote: »

Quoted to make sure they don't disappear.

The reason Reggie Wayne has lasted as long as he has is not athleticism, its because he is an incredibly intelligent route runner so unless he can't make the cuts anymore he will be back as good as ever.

I hope he does as he's one of my favourite receivers but as I said a 35 year old coming off an ACL isn't going to be that effective.

BaronVon

Emmanuel Sanders has just tweeted a Youtube video saying goodbye to the Steelers, no word as to where he's going yet.

I'm surprised the Pats haven't been in talks, considering they signed him to an offer sheet last season.

HigginsJ

Browns sign Ben Tate to 2 year $7 million deal. We have given Rashad Jennings 4 year $14 million deal. Badly needed upgrade for the Browns & think we badly missed the boat here

Utopia Parkway

davyjose wrote: »

Do you know something about his injury we don't? He was sublime last year and the season before.
Its best if you don't have a clue what you're talking about to say nothing at all.

In fairness Reggie Wayne is 36 in the middle of next season. Do people expect him to keep going at the same level? A bit unrealistic.

HigginsJ

Emanuel Sanders has signed for the Broncos.

davyjose

HigginsJ wrote: »

Emanuel Sanders has signed for the Broncos.

What's weird is nobody ever knew he was an elite receiver before next season.

davyjose

Actually I think the Pats will win the AFC next season, regardless of what Denver are doing now. But I think Seattle or SF will beat them in the Super Bowl. Probably Seattle.

HigginsJ

davyjose wrote: »

Actually I think the Pats will win the AFC next season, regardless of what Denver are doing now. But I think Seattle or SF will beat them in the Super Bowl. Probably Seattle.

I hope the Pats can make take it to them as apart from ye the Broncos have a free pass in the AFC. Go Pats!!

davyjose

HigginsJ wrote: »

I hope the Pats can make take it to them as apart from ye the Broncos have a free pass in the AFC. Go Pats!!

Woah there Higgins, I'm a Colts fan. I think we'll be a veeery distant 3rd best AFC team next season.

HigginsJ

davyjose wrote: »

Woah there Higgins, I'm a Colts fan. I think we'll be a veeery distant 3rd best AFC team next season.

Lol sorry!! Yea very distant, mind you if Texans take Bridgewater they would probably be 3rd best for me

helimachoptor

davyjose wrote: »

Woah there Higgins, I'm a Colts fan. I think we'll be a veeery distant 3rd best AFC SOUTH team next season.

edited for truth :pac:

Nicks is going to give everyone nightmares tbh

HigginsJ

helimachoptor wrote: »

edited for truth :pac:

Nicks is going to give everyone nightmares tbh

The only people having nightmares about Nicks should be the Colts medical staff

Knex*

HigginsJ wrote: »

The only people having nightmares about Nicks should be the Colts medical staff

Sad the way his career tailed off, but you're probably right.

Giants didn't even approach him about staying, or make an offer. That's telling.

But, a hungry and fit Nicks, if he can get to that, is a frightening prospect. He's still only 26.

taidghbaby

davyjose wrote: »

Woah there Higgins, I'm a Colts fan. I think we'll be a veeery distant 3rd best AFC team next season.

Jesus that's some slur to put on a mans good name!!

Jolly Red Giant

davyjose wrote: »

Actually I think the Pats will win the AFC next season, regardless of what Denver are doing now. But I think Seattle or SF will beat them in the Super Bowl. Probably Seattle.

It is clear that both the Broncos and Pats have upgraded in FA - Seattle have lost 6 FAs and the 49ers are slightly weaker so far.

I want to see a stronger AFC West an AFC in general as it will make the Broncos more competitive. The Broncos have a tough schedule this year (home against the Hawks and Colts and away to the 49ers and Pats) - they have and will have to improve to get to the SB. At this point I am confident that the Broncos are capable of getting to the SB (they are better equipped on defence) and winning it.

raze_them_all_

Jaziel Orange Padding wrote: »

The **** I thought the packers ran a 3-4

ah a common istake to make, in order to run a 3-4 you actualyy need a defence

HigginsJ

Oohhhhh Giants sign Walter Thurmond to a 1 year deal, nice addition to our weak CB situation

helimachoptor

Nice pick up, if he breaks out he'll want megabucks but good for a year, happy he didn't land in Jacksonville

davyjose

helimachoptor wrote: »

I LOVE THE COLTS!!!

ANDREW LUCK IS THE GREATEST QB IN THE LEAGUE!!!

What?

Son Of A Vidic

As expected, LB Dane Flecther leaves the Pats and joins the Buccs on a 1 year deal. They're getting one of the best ST players in the league and he's a versatile LB.

Jolly Red Giant

Denver expected to sign former Redskins C, Will Montgomery today. Montgomery was released by the Redskins on Friday. If he signs with Denver he is expected to play LG as replacement for Zane Beadles (or, less likely, play C, with Ramirez moving from C to LG)

taidghbaby

Has anyone heard anything about Chris Clemons (safety)? Still a free agent as far as I know!

Alfred Borden

taidghbaby wrote: »

Has anyone heard anything about Chris Clemons (safety)? Still a free agent as far as I know!

Steelers were looking at him but signed someone else. Weird how little interest he is getting, could get him cheap now i would say.

eagle eye

Raf32 wrote: »

Steelers were looking at him but signed someone else. Weird how little interest he is getting, could get him cheap now i would say.

Good solid player with the Dolphins for the last couple of years. Still young enough too, I'd imagine he will get a decent contract somewhere. A solid starter would best describe him I think.

Alfred Borden

eagle eye wrote: »

Good solid player with the Dolphins for the last couple of years. Still young enough too, I'd imagine he will get a decent contract somewhere. A solid starter would best describe him I think.

Yup was shocked he didnt have more interest and go early on during FA. Would love if the Colts picked him up.

Jolly Red Giant

Will Mongomery left Denver without a contract offer

Dominique Rodgers Cromartie signed with the Giants (for significantly less than he was offered by Denver)

phatkev

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Dominique Rodgers Cromartie signed with the Giants (for significantly less than he was offered by Denver)

i would be very wary of giving him a 5 year deal though considering only a month ago he spoke openly of retirement. I think most of the other teams interested in him were offering him a 1 year "prove it deal"

Red Crow

phatkev wrote: »

i would be very wary of giving him a 5 year deal though considering only a month ago he spoke openly of retirement. I think most of the other teams interested in him were offering him a 1 year "prove it deal"

Who were these teams? Broncos offered him 6 years and more money and the Jets offered him similar money to the Giants.

phatkev

jets beat reported that they offered a 6 million 1 year deal. I thought the broncos were only willing to give a 1 year deal and thats where the retirement talk came from, i could be wrong though

raze_them_all_

Alex Mack finding no love in free agency, should prob sign the 10 mil tender at this stage tbh

Alfred Borden

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Alex Mack finding no love in free agency, should prob sign the 10 mil tender at this stage tbh

Yup agreed the transition tag practically took him off the market, so he is trapped there for another year. Will have plenty of offers next year.

Jolly Red Giant

phatkev wrote: »

jets beat reported that they offered a 6 million 1 year deal. I thought the broncos were only willing to give a 1 year deal and thats where the retirement talk came from, i could be wrong though

Elway and Russell structure Broncos contracts to be generous in year 1 and cap friendly in subsequent years.

Officially the Broncos offered DRC a 6 year $54M deal. In effect it was a 3 year deal worth $24M paying $10M in year 1, $6M in year 2 and $8M in year 3.

It appears the deal with the Giants is as follows -
$10M signing bonus, $750k salary in 2014. $1M March roster bonus, $4.25M salary ($2M of it guaranteed) in 2015. $16M ($2million guaranteed) in 2016.

Since Elway became GM of the Broncos (in responsibility if not title until this season) he has approached negotiations by offering a fair deal and if the player/agent shows any hesitation in negotiations he moves straight to plan B. Denver offered DRC a very good deal - DRC turned it down demanding more money - Elway signed Talib in less than 5 hours for marginally more (and more cap friendly) than DRC was offered. He did the same thing with Jarod Allen who was offered basically the same deal as Ware and when LeFell hesitated he signed Sanders again within hours.

Putin

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

when LeFell hesitated he signed Sanders again within hours.

LaFell never visited the Broncos, in fact he never even got out of New England. That was the snag.

LaFell was supposed to visit the Broncos, but never made it that far and decided to sign in New England

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/03/15/patriots-add-brandon-lafell-receiving-corps/hMFz86qavzDR2qGmlDLfVI/story.html

Jolly Red Giant

Putin wrote: »

LaFell never visited the Broncos, in fact he never even got out of New England. That was the snag.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/03/15/patriots-add-brandon-lafell-receiving-corps/hMFz86qavzDR2qGmlDLfVI/story.html

Not all (or even most) negotiations take place face to face with the player. The Broncos were in negotiations with LeFell's agent. They offered a contract (apparently so did the Jets) - LeFell hesitated over some aspect of the offer - Elway signed Sanders. From what I have read the Broncos actually offered LaFell more money than the Pats finally signed him for.

From the Denver Post

At one point, the Broncos were close in reaching an agreement with LaFell, but as he deliberated, the team checked back with Sanders.

Now I prefer Sanders - he is a better long-term option for the Broncos with the intention to move him to the slot when Welker is done.

Putin

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

They offered a contract (apparently so did the Jets) - LeFell hesitated over some aspect of the offer - Elway signed Sanders. From what I have read the Broncos actually offered LaFell more money than the Pats finally signed him for.

There are many reports out there depending on where they're coming from Boston/Denver ect. LaFell seems to make sense for the Pats and a lot of their fans have been looking for a WR like him. But paying 6 million less than what ye paid Sanders is very good business on their part. If what you said about the Broncos offering more money and him rejecting it is true? Then that should be a worry for you guys about the reasons why.

kev_s88

Tandon Doss signed for the Jaguars today. Looks like he'll be backup as a WR and see some good play in the return game alongside Ace Sanders.

Jolly Red Giant

Putin wrote: »

If what you said about the Broncos offering more money and him rejecting it is true? Then that should be a worry for you guys about the reasons why.

I never said that LaFell rejected the Denver offer.

Elway has a track record over the past three years and particularly this off-season - he has a figure for a contract - the contract is always player friendly in year 1 and team friendly for the rest of the contract. Each time a player begins to indicate he is changing his position in the negotiations or seems to be prevaricating for some reason Elway promptly moves to plan B.

This season DRC was offered a substantial contract, the player shifted his negotiating position - Elway signed Talib in four hours. Jarod Allen was offered the same contract as Ware - he hesitated - Elway signed Ware. Elway was close to agreeing a deal with LaFell - LaFell was also talking to the Pats and the Jets - he hesitated and Elway signed Sanders. DRC and LaFell ended signing contracts for less money than Denver was offering and Allen was probably end up with less than Ware if he doesn't retire.

Now the Pats did good business in getting LaFell for the price he cost - but I am happy that the Broncos got Sanders - he fits the long term plans of the Broncos better. Sanders was the Broncos initial target but his agent indicated that the Broncos would have to pay more than Elway was willing so Elway moved to LaFell. When LaFell hesitated Elway contacted Sanders and found the price had dropped.

The Broncos were in much better shape in terms of the salary cap than the Pats prior to free agency - and they are still in better shape than the Pats.

I am looking forward to the coming season and how both teams shape up against one another - both teams have upgraded (so far) - but I am confident that the Broncos have the players capable of making it to the SB.

Putin

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I never said that LaFell rejected the Denver offer.

No you said

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

LeFell hesitated over some aspect of the offer - Elway signed Sanders. From what I have read the Broncos actually offered LaFell more money than the Pats finally signed him for.

So whether he hesitated or rejected or refused or changed his mind it's all the same. He didn't sign despite getting more money offered by the Broncos and I am just curious to find out why.

Alfred Borden

Mike McGlynn visiting the Redskins :pac:

Jolly Red Giant

Putin wrote: »

So whether he hesitated or rejected or refused or changed his mind it's all the same. He didn't sign despite getting more money offered by the Broncos and I am just curious to find out why.

Have you any idea how negotiations work - LaFell was trying to pump up his contract - just like DRC, just like Allen and just like countless other players this off-season. Elway's attitude (and it is the same for BB with the Pats) is that if you want to sign for the Broncos then you must show you want to play for the Broncos at a price that the Broncos can live with. LaFell baulked - Elway signed Sanders - and the Pats got LaFell for less money than the Broncos were offering because they had less competition and fewer options for LaFell. Credit the Pats - but I am very happy with the approach of the Broncos to free agency and have no worries (in fact prefer) getting Sanders over LaFell.