Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

lordgoat

No

DM-ICE wrote: »

United midfield and tactics are ****e

Not Kagawa.

So succinct and accurate.

Cantona's Collars

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Given out season is basically done - I wouldn't be playing Rio or Vidic unless forced to by injuries. I'd be giving Evans, Smalling and Jones the game time and chances to show they should be part of the first choice United pairing next season (with Vidic gone and Rio likely to follow). They may not prove themselves enough, but worth giving them a chance now and having a better understanding of what is required in the summer as a result.

+1

Now is the time to see if they are up to the task,not waiting to play in meaningless pre-season games where they won't be tested as they would be in EPL games.

Lord TSC

No

BloodBath wrote: »

Not true. That leaves us with only 3 CB's and 1 RB. A couple of injuries there and we're ****ed.

We need to buy at least 1 top quality CB and 2 wide backs + 1 CM + another attacking option if RVP is going.

Which is why I said we would have to strengthen the squad. I just don't think we NEED another top level center back; we could do with cover for the three we have, but we NEED a new left back and central mid before we start looking towards buying a top level center back.

We realistically can't start next season with top intentions without a left back and a center mid, while we could with our center backs. Yes, injuries can be an issue, but I am talking about what we have when everyone is healthy.

We need a new left back and a new center mid.
We would then like a central defender, cover for RB, cover for CM.

That, mind, is going off who we know is going and who we think is staying. Need vs like will change if RVP leaves, for instance...

Your Airbag

DM-ICE wrote: »

United midfield and tactics are ****e

Not Kagawa.

Not sure if sarcasm but were our tactics ****e last year when we won the title?

Many players who were good in other leagues struggle to adapt to the cut and trust of the EPL. Forlan, Veron, Shevchenko.


Many players struggle initially but find a way. Kagawa as it stands has not been one of them.

bangkok

can I ask why people think.....

Mata Rooney kagawa

van persie

is our best option when januzaj has been probably one of our best players this season? should he not be starting ahead of kagawa who has been very poor all season??

BloodBath

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Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Which is why I said we would have to strengthen the squad. I just don't think we NEED another top level center back; we could do with cover for the three we have, but we NEED a new left back and central mid before we start looking towards buying a top level center back.

We realistically can't start next season with top intentions without a left back and a center mid, while we could with our center backs. Yes, injuries can be an issue, but I am talking about what we have when everyone is healthy.

We need a new left back and a new center mid.
We would then like a central defender, cover for RB, cover for CM.

That, mind, is going off who we know is going and who we think is staying. Need vs like will change if RVP leaves, for instance...

It's that kind of thinking that will put us in situations where Valencia is playing right back and Carrick or Fellaini are playing CB because Jones, Rafael and Smalling or Evans are injured or suspended from all the games they have to play.

You can't possibly say we don't need a CB when 2 prolific CB's are leaving in the summer and not 1 of the younger ones have proven themselves to be worthy replacements yet.

Macca07

I think Kagawa is gone in the summer. He's not going to take another season as a bit-part player when he was the golden boy at Dortmund. I'd like to see him going back to Dortmund but I think wages could be a factor in that.

We def need a new LB and CM, that is a must is we have any hope. Vidic is gone so we need a new CB, whether as a first-teamer or as backup. Rio is finished too, so that's 2 CBs we'll need to get.

Anderson is pretty much gone, but I guess Fellaini is that one covered already. Giggs will retire, I hope, so that's another CM needed. So far that's 2 CMs, 2 CBs, and a LB. Cover at RB for Rafael would be nice, someone who could also play LB.

Now if RvP goes, I think we will go after a world-class striker, as I think Chico will also leave this summer.

That's a lot of transfers to be making in one summer. Last summer screwed us, we should've been planning for this summer with the likes of Evra, Vidic, Rio, Giggs all leaving/retiring.

beno619

No

bangkok wrote: »

can I ask why people think.....

Mata Rooney kagawa

van persie

is our best option when januzaj has been probably one of our best players this season? should he not be starting ahead of kagawa who has been very poor all season??

Januzaj would obviously interchange with the three. He had to carry us for most of this season which it just wrong and rightfully Moyes has taken him out of the firing line the only issue is that Valencia and to a lesser extent Young have been brought into the side.

BloodBath

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Macca07 wrote: »

I think Kagawa is gone in the summer. He's not going to take another season as a bit-part player when he was the golden boy at Dortmund. I'd like to see him going back to Dortmund but I think wages could be a factor in that.

We def need a new LB and CM, that is a must is we have any hope. Vidic is gone so we need a new CB, whether as a first-teamer or as backup. Rio is finished too, so that's 2 CBs we'll need to get.

Anderson is pretty much gone, but I guess Fellaini is that one covered already. Giggs will retire, I hope, so that's another CM needed. So far that's 2 CMs, 2 CBs, and a LB. Cover at RB for Rafael would be nice, someone who could also play LB.

Now if RvP goes, I think we will go after a world-class striker, as I think Chico will also leave this summer.

That's a lot of transfers to be making in one summer. Last summer screwed us, we should've been planning for this summer with the likes of Evra, Vidic, Rio, Giggs all leaving/retiring.

We don't need 2 CB's. We have 3 already. We do need 1 quality one though.

Fellaini is a Carrick replacement, not Anderson. They can't play together. Jan is a Giggs replacement.

1 quality CM, 1 quality CB, 1 quality LB and 1 quality WB who can play left or right and we're sorted.

Bring Powell and Lingard back to fill the squad.

Giruilla

Your Airbag wrote: »

Many players struggle initially but find a way. Kagawa as it stands has not been one of them.

His champions league stats categorically prove you wrong.

bangkok

every time I watch Valencia play............shudder....... how can a man utd winger not be 2 footed and even if he only has a right foot not cross properly with it!!!

beno619

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BloodBath wrote: »

It's that kind of thinking that will put us in situations where Valencia is playing right back and Carrick or Fellaini are playing CB because Jones, Rafael and Smalling or Evans are injured or suspended from all the games they have to play.

You can't possibly say we don't need a CB when 2 prolific CB's are leaving in the summer and not 1 of the younger ones have proven themselves to be worthy replacements yet.

Promoting Michael Keane and maybe bringing in another young CB should suffice.

Evans,Smalling and Jones have all shown glimpses of their ability now is the time for them to establish themselves. Rio and Vida didn't get to top being bit part players interchanged week in week out. Bringing in a top level CB should be low on the list of priorities.

Peter Flynt

bangkok wrote: »

every time I watch Valencia play............shudder....... how can a man utd winger not be 2 footed and even if he only has a right foot not cross properly with it!!!

Giggs has no right foot. . . In this day and age professional footballers should be able to kick with both feet.

Amazing how many wingers use only one foot. . . Robben is similar with Bayern.

Still - both great players.

BloodBath

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beno619 wrote: »

Promoting Michael Keane and maybe bringing in another young CB should suffice.

Evans,Smalling and Jones have all shown glimpses of their ability now is the time for them to establish themselves. Rio and Vida didn't get to top being bit part players interchanged week in week out. Bringing in a top level CB should be low on the list of priorities.

We don't need another young CB prospect, we have 3 already. We need a strong established CB in his prime with good experience and leadership.

CB's don't usually peak until their late 20's. Do you fancy waiting 5 years for Smalling and Jones to learn the ropes?

Evans should be leading the way on that front but I don't fancy him to take the mantle. A strong squad player is as good as he'll get for us.

Backstreet Moyes

Your Airbag wrote: »

Not sure if sarcasm but were our tactics ****e last year when we won the title?

Many players who were good in other leagues struggle to adapt to the cut and trust of the EPL. Forlan, Veron, Shevchenko.


Many players struggle initially but find a way. Kagawa as it stands has not been one of them.

We bought a world class attacking midfielder and played him as a winger which doesn't suit.

Rooney is a world class striker and attacking midfielder when played as a winger he has been shocking.

People laughed about someone suggesting buying Reus and playing him in cm. That's not far off buying Kagawa and playing him as a winger.

Giruilla

Your Airbag wrote: »

Many players who were good in other leagues struggle to adapt to the cut and trust of the EPL. Forlan, Veron, Shevchenko.

Also the difference being those players you mentioned actually a) got played and b) surprisingly in their favoured positions.

Peter Flynt

Nuts102 wrote: »

We bought a world class attacking midfielder and played him as a winger which doesn't suit.

Rooney is a world class striker and attacking midfielder when played as a winger he has been shocking.

People laughed about someone suggesting buying Reus and playing him in cm. That's not far off buying Kagawa and playing him as a winger.

Didn't Rooney effectively put in a transfer request last season as he was pissed off with Fergie continuously playing him in the wrong position.

For a while he was on the Left - FFS.

It took a commitment from Moyes to keep Rooney.

It's basic - play your players in the positions they're most comfortable.

beno619

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BloodBath wrote: »

We don't need another young CB prospect, we have 3 already. We need a strong established CB in his prime with good experience and leadership.

CB's don't usually peak until their late 20's. Do you fancy waiting 5 years for Smalling and Jones to learn the ropes?

Evans is 26, Jones is 22 today. They deserve a proper run in the side.

Kompany is 27 now and has been the best CB in the league for 3 seasons now, before that he was just a lot of potential and I didn't think he would reach the initial hype around in his teens. He played consistently and became the player he is today.

We need a world class CM and LB. A top CB would just block the progress of 3 players who could potentially be world class.

BloodBath

No

It wouldn't block anything. There's a lot of games in the season and the other 3 will still get plenty of games.

Sure play the young lads for the rest of the season as a test but there is no way a combination of those 3 will be solid anytime soon. It's going to take years of development.

Vincent Kompany they ain't.

A world class CB in his prime could actually help their development as they could learn a lot from him.

Also who is going to lead this backline? Smalling, Jones and Evans do not have leadership skills.

keane2097

No

lordgoat wrote: »

I've been one of his harshest critics all season. Have a read of my post properly.

"Without weakening the team" and "without altering how they play" are not interchangeable. You could put Januzaj in for Robben and tell him to hug the touchline and he could do it, but they would be far, far worse off.

EDIT: I see the point you were making though, NVM

Peter Flynt

BloodBath wrote: »

It wouldn't block anything. There's a lot of games in the season and the other 3 will still get plenty of games.

Sure play the young lads for the rest of the season as a test but there is no way a combination of those 3 will be solid anytime soon. It's going to take years of development.

Vincent Kompany they ain't.

I don't think there'll be much experimenting with anything as Moyes still thinks fourth place is an option.

In fairness to him he cannot give up on it

If anything things will only begin to change when fourth place is out of reach.

bangkok

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Giggs has no right foot. . . In this day and age professional footballers should be able to kick with both feet.

Amazing how many wingers use only one foot. . . Robben is similar with Bayern.

Still - both great players.

giggs no right foot??!! are you joking? I remember him scoring a goal away to juventus with the right and also a cracker against Coventry from 25 yards with the right... Valencia doesn't even attempt a shot or cross with his left. and don't even compare robben with Valencia, robben is world class, Valencia is sadly not

Peter Flynt

bangkok wrote: »

giggs no right foot??!! are you joking? I remember him scoring a goal away to juventus with the right and also a cracker against Coventry from 25 yards with the right... Valencia doesn't even attempt a shot or cross with his left. and don't even compare robben with Valencia, robben is world class, Valencia is sadly not

I'd classify a two footed player as one who takes the ball routinely in with both feet and is not solely reliant on one foot.

Giggs doesn't use his right foot even though he has had some decent moments in a glorious career with his right foot.

bangkok

Peter Flynt wrote: »

I'd classify a two footed player as one who takes the ball routinely in with both feet and is not solely reliant on one foot.

Giggs doesn't use his right foot even though he has had some decent moments in a glorious career with his right foot.

that sentence is a pure contradiction... he doesn't use it yet had some decent moments? Valencia has had no moments with his left

mobydopy

According to BBC,Wayne Rooney has agreed to a 5.5 year contract with united.

beno619

No

BloodBath wrote: »

It wouldn't block anything. There's a lot of games in the season and the other 3 will still get plenty of games.

Sure play the young lads for the rest of the season as a test but there is no way a combination of those 3 will be solid anytime soon. It's going to take years of development.

Vincent Kompany they ain't.

A world class CB in his prime could actually help their development as they could learn a lot from him.

Also who is going to lead this backline? Smalling, Jones and Evans do not have leadership skills.

It most definitely would block their development. Jones has hardly played at CB this season, he's effectively 4th choice. Were not talking about teenagers either its time for them to play.

Jones received the same type of hype Kompany did as a teen.

Kompany did not become the player he is today by sitting on the bench.



Again Kompany looked unremarkable in his first 2 season.

They have learned from Vida and Rio so I dont think they need any more educating. Evans is our most vocal player when Vida isnt on the pitch and I would have him ahead of Rooney in terms of future captaincy.

Giggsy11

Ben Smith ✔ @BenSmithBBC

Rooney's contract is five and half years. All agreed. Confirmation later today #MUFC

keane2097

No

Play Kagawa at 10 and you will play much better and win many more games. Hope this helps.

Julez

No

mabroorahmed99 wrote: »

According to BBC,Wayne Rooney has agreed to a 5.5 year contract with united.

Lot of money to be throwing around, about £85m for the total contract.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26287482

Delboy5

Once we get Rooney signed sealed and delivered can we shift him back into centre mid. again...........

Backstreet Moyes

beno619 wrote: »

Evans is 26, Jones is 22 today. They deserve a proper run in the side.

Kompany is 27 now and has been the best CB in the league for 3 seasons now, before that he was just a lot of potential and I didn't think he would reach the initial hype around in his teens. He played consistently and became the player he is today.

We need a world class CM and LB. A top CB would just block the progress of 3 players who could potentially be world class.

Evans over the past 3 seasons has probably played more games than any of our other defenders. He is first choice imo and i think he reads the game well and his distribution is very good. His biggest weakness is in the air but he has improved that.

Smalling i just don't get the hype. People constantly talk about his world class potential i just don;t see it. He is 24 and barely kicked a ball at the top level. He really should have gone on loan the season we signed him. Whatever potential he has he is not going to fulfill as a rotation player.

Jones should be given a chance until the end of the season beside Evans i think they would compliment each other well. Again another player who if he had went out on loan would be more developed and ready to walk in and replace Vidic.

Your Airbag

Talksport are saying Moyes will bid for Alex Song.

http://talksport.com/football/man-united-kick-spending-spree-move-barcelona-midfielder-14022180698?

Agueroooo

Is Rooneys £74 million part of the £200million warchest promised by end of 2014?

Backstreet Moyes

Your Airbag wrote: »

Talksport are saying Moyes will bid for Alex Song.

http://talksport.com/football/man-united-kick-spending-spree-move-barcelona-midfielder-14022180698?

Is he the player who almost had telepathic link up play with RVP or am i imagining things.

DM_7

Your Airbag wrote: »

Not sure if sarcasm but were our tactics ****e last year when we won the title?

Many players who were good in other leagues struggle to adapt to the cut and trust of the EPL. Forlan, Veron, Shevchenko.


Many players struggle initially but find a way. Kagawa as it stands has not been one of them.

Tactics were not ****e last season in the league. IMO no tactic is ****e if it means you win games. I don't buy into the snobbery ideas of the game needing to be played a certain way. But current tactics are seeing poor results and results are how tactics can be judged. So they are ****e this season.

Kagawa is not playing well. He should not be exempt from criticism and I understand the points you made. But circumstances are playing a part in why he is not playing well.

lordgoat

No

Agueroooo wrote: »

Is Rooneys £74 million part of the £200million warchest promised by end of 2014?

Sometimes i really wonder.

Why would any team pay an entire 5.5 year contract out of one years (reported) budget?

Why would you budget to pay any players contract over one financial year?

googled eyes

What do you guys think of Rooney getting 300 grand a week?

Do you think he's worth it?

Are you worried that it will set a precedence when trying to attract high caliber players?

sea_monkey

No

Well if we finish 7th and also lose rooney the chances of top players wanting to sign would be diminished.

I also think without rooney in the team we play much much worse.

Mitch Connor

No

googled eyes wrote: »

What do you guys think of Rooney getting 300 grand a week?

Do you think he's worth it?

Are you worried that it will set a precedence when trying to attract high caliber players?

You could have a read of the thread and find that out - been discussed at great length.

Agueroooo

lordgoat wrote: »

Sometimes i really wonder.

Why would any team pay an entire 5.5 year contract out of one years (reported) budget?

Why would you budget to pay any players contract over one financial year?

Lol why the attitude?

I never suggested his contract would be calculated into a single financial year.

but the reported £200million spend could be construed in many different ways which was the basis of my point.

But go ahead and knock yourself out

BloodBath

No

beno619 wrote: »

It most definitely would block their development. Jones has hardly played at CB this season, he's effectively 4th choice. Were not talking about teenagers either its time for them to play.

Jones received the same type of hype Kompany did as a teen.

Kompany did not become the player he is today by sitting on the bench.



Again Kompany looked unremarkable in his first 2 season.

They have learned from Vida and Rio so I dont think they need any more educating. Evans is our most vocal player when Vida isnt on the pitch and I would have him ahead of Rooney in terms of future captaincy.

Jones would still have his place alongside a new signing. Evans isn't going to be world class. Both him and Smalling will still get games to rest the other 2 or fill in for injuries and suspensions and be part of a 2 team system when we have 3 games in a week.

gosplan

googled eyes wrote: »

What do you guys think of Rooney getting 300 grand a week?

Do you think he's worth it?

Are you worried that it will set a precedence when trying to attract high caliber players?

I think he might be worth it given where Utd are now.

The club is in a serious fight for the next couple of years and it's probably worth overpaying to keep Rooney in your corner (which is why he's doing it I guess)

Rayne Wooney

The only way Rooney should be getting that is if he's going back up top next season.

Stuxnet

googled eyes wrote: »

What do you guys think of Rooney getting 300 grand a week?

Do you think he's worth it?

Are you worried that it will set a precedence when trying to attract high caliber players?

No body is worth this type of money, this is whats wrong with the world. (the safe bubble of a world we live in)
pure greed.

Sad day

ericzeking

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The only way Rooney should be getting that is if he's going back up top next season.

Exactly, I said the same last week, that's a goalscoring number 9s wage not a 'do a job' 'fit him in' players wage.

Would not be surprised in the slightest if RVP bolted in the summer, for some reason I could see him following a similar career path to Henry, some big continetal club in warmer climes for a couple of years and then head for the MLS, the lower volumes and stress on the body would certainly suit him.

sReq | uTeK

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Didn't Rooney effectively put in a transfer request last season as he was pissed off with Fergie continuously playing him in the wrong position.

For a while he was on the Left - FFS.

It took a commitment from Moyes to keep Rooney.

It's basic - play your players in the positions they're most comfortable.

I Agree, I mean you don't ****ing see Iniesta as a striker, sure there are games you're stretched and you make allowances, but don't ****ing buy a striker if you're going to play him centre back, don't buy a centre back and play him up front, don't buy german player of the year, give him one game behind the striker and 10 on the left ensuring he doesn't develop ANYTHING with the striker he is supplying.

adox

No

Catching up and reading the last few pages, it really is depressing that Utd have in their squad, but will most likely move on in the summer, the likes of Kagawa and Nani.

Two class players that could have a huge influence on the first team but are frozen out while we are served up the drivel week in week out under Moyes.
Mata is only going to end up the same as well I fear.

It sends a shudder down my spine to think of Moyes being given a "war chest" in the summer to buy players.

So utterly frustrating. Its like time has stood still. We are stuck in the pool of mediocrity and will be until Moyes gets the boot. He is the biggest single issue at the club and is slowly strangling the life out of it.

J. Marston

No

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Given out season is basically done - I wouldn't be playing Rio or Vidic unless forced to by injuries. I'd be giving Evans, Smalling and Jones the game time and chances to show they should be part of the first choice United pairing next season (with Vidic gone and Rio likely to follow). They may not prove themselves enough, but worth giving them a chance now and having a better understanding of what is required in the summer as a result.

Definitely agree with that.

Put Rio and Vidic together for the last home game as a send off (not like there's going to be anything riding on the game...) but other than that, they shouldn't be given playing time when we need to move on with a new defence.

Nalz

No

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You could have a read of the thread and find that out - been discussed at great length.

Not really how it works tbf, how many times has Pogba, Kagawa and the likes been discussed without the details changing that much?

Has it even been made official yet?

googled eyes

Thanks guys. Obviously I agree Utd are over paying but the fear of Rooney leaving causing a mass exodus has probably forced their hand.


I'd be worried that wage demands will go up now for other players and possible targets.Like Stuxnet says a sad day for English football.






Mitch : I don't usually come in here, so rather than read through the thread I thought I'd just ask