Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

Will I Amnt

No

Peter Flynt wrote: »

This time next year all will have changed when Moyes has been sacked.

You're probably right but we will just have to wait and see.

Peter Flynt

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ah Wayne please

"There was a lot of speculation in the summer but I was pleased when David Moyes came in to the club. I’ve got a great relationship with him"

Sounds more like he's having a go at Fergie there.

beno619

No

Peter Flynt wrote: »

At that stage he'll be approaching 32. . . No chance of better terms or a better contract anywhere else.

He's only staying as no one else is prepared to give him that contract at this stage in his career.

Let's be honest non of us truely know the reason for Rooney asking out in the summer but evidence would point to a complete breakdown in his relationship with Fergie then Moyes strange comments about Rooney being back up for RVP.

I would be pretty pissed as well, he's world class and has been at the club for a decade now,certainly deserves a bit more respect than he was getting.

bucketybuck

No

£300,000 per week?

I hope there is a clause in that contract that makes him pass the ball to Van Persie, because a playmaker that can't find his striker isn't worth £300,000 per week.

Kylo Ren

I'm very happy to have him signed now. He's been our most important player for years now. He'll most likely be our top goal scorer ever. The job that he does and the work rate that he does it at is a very rare thing.

That being said, the ambassador crap irks me a little. He wanted to leave twice. His behaviour on these occasions is not befitting of an ambassador of the club. I know it's a stupid job anyway, it just stinks of hypocrisy.

Peter Flynt

Keno wrote: »

I'm very happy to have him signed now. He's been our most important player for years now. He'll most likely be our top goal scorer ever. The job that he does and the work rate that he does it at is a very rare thing.

That being said, the ambassador crap irks me a little. He wanted to leave twice. His behaviour on these occasions is not befitting of an ambassador of the club. I know it's a stupid job anyway, it just stinks of hypocrisy.

£300,000 a week

A say in the club's transfer policy

Future Ambassador

What next for the greedy one?

The_Kew_Tour

No

I said this already its taking 50k out of Anderson wages and having 20k left over.

Silver lining and all that

Vic Vinegar

The club is hard at work on a cloning device it seems

Moyes: "I want to bring more Wayne Rooney's to Old Trafford."

bangkok

Super news regarding rooney..... Just imagine the headline a few months ago..... "Man utd accept 27m bid from Chelsea to sign Wayne rooney"

Super super news

Smithwicks Man

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I said this already its taking 50k out of Anderson wages and having 20k left over.

Silver lining and all that

Very simplistic way of looking at things. You're not accounting for the fact that any world class player that does sign for the club in the next few years will also seek higher wages as Rooney is now on such an extravagant wage.

How can such an excessive wage be justified? Rooney will turn 30 and will still have 4 years left on his contract at £300k per week which is ridiculous. Plus I'm sure there was a fairly hefty signing on fee in there as well

Saucy McKetchup

No

Peter Flynt wrote: »

£300,000 a week

A say in the club's transfer policy

Future Ambassador

What next for the greedy one?

Do you always believe everything you read in the papers?

kryogen

bucketybuck wrote: »

£300,000 per week?

I hope there is a clause in that contract that makes him pass the ball to Van Persie, because a playmaker that can't find his striker isn't worth £300,000 per week.

Has there been an official statement declaring his salary? That would be unusual!

Lithium93_

A breakdown of Rooney's new contract - http://es.pn/Nj1vqR


£15,600,000-a-year
£300,000-a-week
£43,000-a-day
£1,800-an-hour
£30-a-minute
50p-a-second

kryogen

Lithium93_ wrote: »

A breakdown of Rooney's new contract - http://es.pn/Nj1vqR


£15,600,000-a-year
£300,000-a-week
£43,000-a-day
£1,800-an-hour
£30-a-minute
50p-a-second

so

kryogen wrote: »

Has there been an official statement declaring his salary? That would be unusual!

beno619

No

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Very simplistic way of looking at things. You're not accounting for the fact that any world class player that does sign for the club in the next few years will also seek higher wages as Rooney is now on such an extravagant wage.

How can such an excessive wage be justified? Rooney will turn 30 and will still have 4 years left on his contract at £300k per week which is ridiculous. Plus I'm sure there was a fairly hefty signing on fee in there as well

Top players arnt cheap, If we do manage to sign a Vidal or Kroos they would want >200,000 a week regardless of Rooney.

People need to get with the times, the club has been criticised for not spending enough on players now people are complaining that were spending too much to keep our best players. When does it end.

billyhead

If Rooney is worth €300,000 a week now what would Messi or Ronaldo be deserving of:eek:. The amount these lads earn for hoofing a ball around the pitch is insulting to the general public

beno619

No

billyhead wrote: »

If Rooney is worth €300,000 a week now what would Messi or Ronaldo be deserving of:eek:. The amount these lads earn for hoofing a ball around the pitch is insulting to the general public

They're both making much more money..

Smithwicks Man

No

beno619 wrote: »

Top players arnt cheap, If we do manage to sign a Vidal or Kroos they would want >200,000 a week regardless of Rooney.

People need to get with the times, the club has been criticised for not spending enough on players now people are complaining that were spending too much to keep our best players. When does it end.

Says who?? Vidal just signed a new contract recently and his wages are still under £80k per week. I don't think the problem with Rooney was that he wasn't earning enough, so then why is the solution an increase in his wages? Illogical.

Players in other leagues are on much less than many PL players and there are top players who will take pay cuts if they really want to play for a club. Rooney should not have been given another pay raise imo.

Unearthly

No

billyhead wrote: »

If Rooney is worth €300,000 a week now what would Messi or Ronaldo be deserving of:eek:. The amount these lads earn for hoofing a ball around the pitch is insulting to the general public

Them hoofing a ball around the pitch is what generates billions.

The general public don't get 300k cause no one pays to watch them sit at a desk job

beno619

No

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Says who?? Vidal just signed a new contract recently and his wages are still under £80k per week. I don't think the problem with Rooney was that he wasn't earning enough, so then why is the solution an increase in his wages? Illogical.

Players in other leagues are on much less than many PL players and there are top players who will take pay cuts if they really want to play for a club. Rooney should not have been given another pay raise imo.

Vidal should get a new agent. I'm not sure what Juves finances are like and what they're wage structure is like but Vidal will 100% double his wages if he leaves this summer.

BloodBath

No

Pogbas on 25k a week

Offer Juve 30m and Pogba 150k a week and we could poach him back.

Son Of A Vidic

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Sounds more like he's having a go at Fergie there.

That's how I interpreted that comment also.

The_Kew_Tour

No

Anyone hear anything on Vidic here?

Who gives a **** happy days he has signed a new contract, he's a greedy professional footballer big deal there everywhere, as long as he starts putting in the performances, starting at palace

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Anyone hear anything on Vidic here?

As in the Inter move?

Hococop

No

i know there is a divide here with Rooney signing a new contract but im delighted to see him stay,

Blatter

No

kryogen wrote: »

Has there been an official statement declaring his salary? That would be unusual!

All the reliable sources, BBC, The Guardian etc. are reporting the figure is approaching £300k/week. We can say with a fair degree of certainty that the wage is in that region.

Ferguson, or any top manager for that matter, would not give Rooney a 5.5 year contract on that money. It's even more ridiculous that he'll be approaching 34 when it ends.

First of all, he's not that good. Nowhere near. He's a fantastic player, but not at that level at all.

Secondly, just imagine the impact it will have when it comes to renegotiating contracts of current players or signing new players. Say for example if de Gea is in negotiations for a new contract, what's stopping his agent saying ''If Wayne Rooney is worth £300k/week, then my client is worth at least £180k/week''

The agent would be dead right as well, it's a perfectly reasonable argument that players should be paid relative to what other players at the club are getting.

The same goes for all other contract negotiations. It's a ridiculous precedent.

Smithwicks Man

No

beno619 wrote: »

Vidal should get a new agent. I'm not sure what Juves finances are like and what they're wage structure is like but Vidal will 100% double his wages if he leaves this summer.

Why? Because his current agent isn't milking Juventus for everything he can get?

Vidal is worth a hell of a lot more than £80k per week. He knows it, his agent knows it, Juventus know it and everyone else knows it but yet he's still more than happy to play for Juve for much, much less than he could get elsewhere and that is exactly the kind of player Rooney isn't.

Rooney clearly doesn't care about United or he wouldn't be looking for transfers and demanding wage increases and the likes. By giving in to Rooney's demands, United have left themselves in a horrible situation for dealing with future signings and contract extensions like Blatter said above.

(Juventus' wage structure would be lower than the likes of United's due to their finances being directed towards paying off the new stadium. Yet even with a significantly lower wage structure they can still attract and keep top players.)

The_Kew_Tour

No

M!Ck^ wrote: »

As in the Inter move?

maybe and little more

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

maybe and little more

Latest but I would say this was posted already;

A deal for Manchester United defender Nemanja Vidic to join Inter Milan is almost complete, with Inter chief Erick Thohir claiming the deal is 90% finalised.
The Man United captain is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer, and it seems this will almost certainly be his last season at the club.
“I can’t saying anything other than the deal for Vidic is 90% done," Inter chief Erick Thohir told Eurosport.
The news coincides with Wayne Rooney's new contract negotiations at the club, and as revealed by Mirror Football, Rooney will replace Vidic as captain when the Serbian leaves in the summer

Blatter

Blatter wrote: »

All the reliable sources, BBC, The Guardian etc. are reporting the figure is approaching £300k/week. We can say with a fair degree of certainty that the wage is in that region.

Ferguson, or any top manager for that matter, would not give Rooney a 5.5 year contract on that money. It's even more ridiculous that he'll be approaching 34 when it ends.

First of all, he's not that good. Nowhere near. He's a fantastic player, but not at that level at all.

Secondly, just imagine the impact it will have when it comes to renegotiating contracts of current players or signing new players. Say for example if de Gea is in negotiations for a new contract, what's stopping his agent saying ''If Wayne Rooney is worth £300k/week, then my client is worth at least £180k/week''

The agent would be dead right as well, it's a perfectly reasonable argument that players should be paid relative to what other players at the club are getting.

The same goes for all other contract negotiations. It's a ridiculous precedent.

Maybe I do give a **** now...

Daglish echoed what your saying and it makes sense.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wayne-rooney-new-deal-kenny-3171051

Blatter

No

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Maybe I do give a **** now...

Daglish echoed what your saying and it makes sense.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wayne-rooney-new-deal-kenny-3171051

He's right about the precedent of course but it's rich coming from him, the man who agreed to spend £35m on Andy Carroll and nearly £20m on Stewart Downing.

Hococop

No

is the 300 grand a week figure official or is it a case of when one paper mentioned (guessed) the figure everyone copied and followed suit.

The_Kew_Tour

No

So what was the alternative?

Hococop

No

Blatter wrote: »

He's right about the precedent of course but it's rich coming from him, the man who agreed to spend £35m on Andy Carroll and nearly £20m on Stewart Downing.

and selling them for £15.5 and £6 million making a loss of £33.5 million

Blatter

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

So what was the alternative?

Offer him a reasonable wage. If he didn't accept, try to sell him to a foreign club in the Summer.

If he wouldn't have moved, let him run his contract down and let him do what he wants. No player is bigger than the club, simple as that.

KH25

No

I find it hard to accept that anybody is worth 300k. We need wage caps in football soon.

The_Kew_Tour

No

Blatter wrote: »

Offer him a reasonable wage. If he didn't accept, try to sell him to a foreign club in the Summer.

If he wouldn't have moved, let him run his contract down and let him do what he wants. No player is bigger than the club, simple as that.

I can see both sides in this argument.

Im very 50/50 on it. Part of me is happy, the other part is much like what you said.

Although im not as worried about the precedent as some.

Its not a ideal scenario, but at same time it might also let other players that may want to join see that we are trying to hang onto the good players we have.

Winston Payne

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

So what was the alternative?

Selling him to Chelsea last summer. It's made naff all difference to our season over the piece and Chelsea would be the ones worrying about his physique in the coming years.

Rayne Wooney

If we're accepting the figure reported now well then we have to accept the figure reported the last time he got a bump in his contract.

250k a week

So Fergie gave him around ~120k more than the next player down before RVP

Liam O

KH25 wrote: »

I find it hard to accept that anybody is worth 300k. We need wage caps in football soon.

No we don't. It's a free market and should remain that way. Is Bill Gates worth the same as the millions of people combined who he has out earned?

Maybe players joining will think that if they do well enough they can get that type of money and it will motivate them? Rooney's been at United for 10 odd years now. Him being high paid shouldn't set a precedent unless another player who's been there for 10 years is looking for the money.

Blatter

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I can see both sides in this argument.

Im very 50/50 on it. Part of me is happy, the other part is much like what you said.

Although im not as worried about the precedent as some.

Its not a ideal scenario, but at same time it might also let other players that may want to join see that we are trying to hang onto the good players we have.

I think with situations like this, there will always be positives and negatives you can take from it.

When you weigh them all up though, the negatives overpower the positives here, for me anyway. I just don't think it's a good decision, it smacks of fear and desperation. Makes the club look like pushovers.

As I said, I couldn't see Fergie allowing this to happen in a million years.

Robson99

300k a week to Rooney is madness. IMO it makes the summer transfer targets even harder to get. They will now want premium wages to join us. Expect to see this being used as an excuse if we dont get our targets during the summer.

Rooney is not even in the top five players in the EPL. Hes nearly 30 and will have little or no sell on value in a couple of years. Maybe Utd are just getting him signed up so as they can get a higher sale price in the summer.

A Utd legend he is not. He isnt in the same bracket as Edwards, Best, Charlton, Law, Robson, Schmeichal, Keane, Cantona, Scholes, Giggs. And somehow even if he stays the 5 years he will still not be accepted as a legend by a number of fans

Blatter

No

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

If we're accepting the figure reported now well then we have to accept the figure reported the last time he got a bump in his contract.

250k a week

So Fergie gave him around ~120k more than the next player down before RVP

Nowhere near as bad when you take Rooney's age into account when signing that particular contract.

Also, United did really need Rooney back then too. Now they have RvP, Mata, Kagawa, Welbeck, Hernandez and Januzaj.

The_Kew_Tour

No

Blatter wrote: »

I think with situations like this, there will always be positives and negatives you can take from it.

When you weigh them all up though, the negatives overpower the positives here, for me anyway. I just don't think it's a good decision, it smacks of fear and desperation. Makes the club look like pushovers.

As I said, I couldn't see Fergie allowing this to happen in a million years.

Ya I can see what you mean alright.

I am still going to sit very much on the fence on this one I say till summer anyway. I think it will be then we will see if it really was a bad move.

Paully D

jamie jackson ‏@JamieJackson___ 3m
Moyes: 'I can't tell you the amount of phone calls I've had from top players around the world who want to play for Manchester United" #mufc

Believe him, or not?

Vic Vinegar

We're after Alex Song according to a few different sources.

BloodBath

No

A lot of over reactions to the salary here. Ronaldo is on 580k a week and he's worth every penny.

It's the entertainment industry. Players of Ronaldos and even Rooneys standard are worldwide stars with massive audiences and marketing value.

The club has insane revenues and can easily afford it. It's only natural that a higher revenue stream from the new tv and sponsorship deals will lead to higher player wages.

They are the stars of the show we pay to watch every week.

The_Kew_Tour

No

Paully D wrote: »

jamie jackson ‏@JamieJackson___ 3m
Moyes: 'I can't tell you the amount of phone calls I've had from top players around the world who want to play for Manchester United" #mufc

Believe him, or not?

I dont think even a Sunderland player wants to join us at the moment Paully;):pac:

I dont believe that fully. Maybe a player or two are interested if things are right like wages etc. I dont think there is a long que though

Deiseboy01

SherlockWatson wrote: »

So you speak for Ferguson, Moyes and 90% of United fans??



It's been well noted that Ferguson left glowing reports of Kagawa, You haven't a clue what Moyes thinks of him, perhaps Moyes thinks he doesn't fit into our new super idiotic tactical system of CROSS CROSS CROSS (he's right, too.)

As for 90% of fans, i'd never be such a tit as to think I can speak for other people.

Well I presume it's obvious even to the most idiotic keyboard warrior that neither Fergie nor Moyes have rated him highly enough to play the guy. These guys see him everyday in training, know the league and don't pick him yet you get guys waffling on in here proclaiming to know more than them while basing their opinions on his form two seasons ago.

Also not such a leap to say 90% of fans have been underwhelmed by Kagawa. He's done very little to impress since his arrival.