Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

fatherted1969

While i would have reservations about Rooney (i just can't quite forgive him for the two supposedly transfer requests) its good news i suppose. Credit to Moyes for tying it up. At the beginning of the season if you were told Mata and Fellaini signed and Rooney tied into a contract you'd have taken it. As for money i don't really care how much they get as long as they deliver consistently.

It looks like we're not making champions league this year and while that in itself is hugely disappointing it is without a doubt going to signal the biggest spending spree in the clubs history so it is going to be an exciting summer.

Utd will always be able to attract the top players, money will dictate that and we have plenty of it. Plenty of top players turned us down in Fergies time and Moyes will be no different. We'll strengthen in several positions.

Hopefully with Fellaini just about back to fitness we can see him in the role that Moyes bought him for and see the beginning of the style of play that Moyes wants coming together before end of season.

Liam O

shamrock55 wrote: »

How in the name of god can utd justify giving rooney 300 grand a week its laughable tbh

Yeah it's not like you see him in money and awareness spreading adverts or anything on tv which would lead to increased revenue for the club. I haven't heard any talk of what % of his image rights he is getting which would be a large chunk of the figure being bandied about I'd say. Oh yeah and he's been the best player on the best team in the league for about 4 seasons now and was only behind one of the top 5 of all time before that.

Nothing I can think of other than that. I'm sure Yaya Toure disgusts everyone else equally given how crap he was last season and picking up similar wages.

Rooney is worth the money, not just for how valuable he can be on the field but for what it signifies for the club in the way of intent.

Mikeyt086

No

shamrock55 wrote: »

How in the name of god can utd justify giving rooney 300 grand a week its laughable tbh

Here's how:

Get Anderson off the wage bill = Difference covered.

Easy.

goodolegill

No

apart from getting januzaj to sign a new contract - this manager has made nothing but mistake after mistake
lets b honest, last year - Rooney was reported to have been told that he would have to take a pay cut
we will be giving him 300,000 when he is 34 yrs old (reminds me of the Seth jonson - leeds utd story)
we've become a joke

Deiseboy01

BloodBath wrote: »

If he has all the potential he's supposed to have then he will get games the rest of this season and next. That line up of CB's you suggested is just terrible. How long are you willing to put up with our defence being **** for? Smalling and Jones are too young and inexperienced to take the first team. We need an established world class CB.

Vidic and Ferdinand were for a time the best CB pairing in the world. Suggesting that we don't need to buy at least 1 replacement when they are both leaving in the summer when none of the younger players are anywhere near them in their prime is ludicrous.




Capping wages is silly and counter intuitive. The clubs make the money to pay the wages. Would you prefer that the owners make even more profit over the players earning it?

If Sky/Bt and sponsors want to pay silly money for rights then surely some of that should pass onto the players. It's them we pay to see at the end of the day.

Totally agree with the first half of your post but totally disagree with the second!

I've been saying for ages that half the problems at Utd are due to our creaky, slow centre halves. Midfield get all the focus but centre back is a huge issue.

On the salary front you don't follow the money far enough. To say if salaries were capped then shareholders or owners would get the money instead of players is simplistic. We could also see a situation where football became less expensive for the supporter. The only reason Sky an BT pay so much is that they recoup it from us via subscriptions. Very expensive subscriptions. A salary cap would help reduce cost for the match going of stay at home can too.

BloodBath

No

shamrock55 wrote: »

How in the name of god can utd justify giving rooney 300 grand a week its laughable tbh

You obviously don't understand the economics of football in 2014. Ronaldo earns 580k a week. Both players are worth it to their clubs and it's only a small % of club revenue.

goodolegill wrote: »

apart from getting januzaj to sign a new contract - this manager has made nothing but mistake after mistake
lets b honest, last year - Rooney was reported to have been told that he would have to take a pay cut
we will be giving him 300,000 when he is 34 yrs old (reminds me of the Seth jonson - leeds utd story)

Are you people even United fans? Rooney has consistently been one of the best and most often the best player on the team for the past 5+ years despite being played out of position for the majority of it. Rooney is the type of player who will bang 30-40 goals in a season if you stick him up front.Would you prefer if we sold him to somebody else willing to pay those wages?

It's not like it's coming out of your pocket or hurting the teams finances to any degree. I don't understand the melodramatic reactions from so called United fans in here over a 50k a week pay rise to secure our best player for the rest of his career. If anything it sends a message out that if you stay at the club and consistently perform you can make big money.

I just hope Rooney stays passionate and doesn't turn into a fat mess now that he has his bumper retirement contract.

beno619

No

" The deal took a while to negotiate and Rooney joked: "If you believe everything you read in the papers that's because I have been demanding to be captain and want an input into the club's transfer policy, which is totally laughable and of course untrue. "

Via Sky sports.

ericzeking

Here's one... How does this Rooney contract fit in with the notion, that some would have you believe, that Moyes is Fergies boy and a Yes man?

Certainly, there was a dig at SAF in there in Rooneys comments last night.

BloodBath

No

Would be a ludicrous way to run the club and completely untrue imo.

I've been a vocal Moyes out supporter at times but I do respect some more sensible opinions on giving him some more time to turn things around and to create his own team. A lot of the games this season have been drawn or lost by the narrowest margins and we've had long injury layoffs to a lot of our best players. With some top signings those narrow draws or losses turn into wins. We could/would easily have 12+ more points than we do now with a stronger squad.

Granted a lot of the issues with player quality and squad depth should have been sorted by now but it would have been hard for Moyes to make all the big changes needed in the last summer transfer window. The next window is the time to complete the signings that we need and hopefully they do it.

The players they are targetting are world class. If they can pull off 3-4 big signings in key positions in the summer with maybe 1-2 more squad replacements we're laughing.

I just hope Moyes ups his tactical game and can make use of them.

Dicky Pride

No

Can we all agree that if we don't win tonight, in any other top club in the world, the manager would be shown the door?

I mean what's the final straw in this situation? Is there actually one at all?

BloodBath

No

It won't happen until the summer regardless anyway.

Moyes has the rest of the season at least to show us what direction he's going and whether he still has a job here next year.

RayCon

Paully D wrote: »

jamie jackson ‏@JamieJackson___ 3m
Moyes: 'I can't tell you the amount of phone calls I've had from top players around the world who want to play for Manchester United" #mufc

...but are they top, top players ?

Dicky Pride

No

BloodBath wrote: »

It won't happen until the summer regardless anyway.

Moyes has the rest of the season at least to show us what direction he's going and whether he still has a job here next year.

Surely we should know what direction he's going by now? I for one haven't got a clue. I'm not sure moyes knows either tbh

BloodBath

No

What do you think the chances of getting Pogba back to the club in the summer are? I noticed he was only on 25k a week at Juve.

With Fergie gone and some sweet talk and assurances from Woodward and Moyes and of course the right fee to Juve and wages for Pogba is there a chance he would come back?

Out of some of the names being floated around he seems more obtainable than some despite the bad history.

goodolegill

No

BloodBath wrote: »

You obviously don't understand the economics of football in 2014. Ronaldo earns 580k a week. Both players are worth it to their clubs and it's only a small % of club revenue.



Are you people even United fans? Rooney has consistently been one of the best and most often the best player on the team for the past 5+ years despite being played out of position for the majority of it. Rooney is the type of player who will bang 30-40 goals in a season if you stick him up front.Would you prefer if we sold him to somebody else willing to pay those wages?

It's not like it's coming out of your pocket or hurting the teams finances to any degree. I don't understand the melodramatic reactions from so called United fans in here over a 50k a week pay rise to secure our best player for the rest of his career. If anything it sends a message out that if you stay at the club and consistently perform you can make big money.

I just hope Rooney stays passionate and doesn't turn into a fat mess now that he has his bumper retirement contract.

fine if we were talking about the rooney prior to munich 2010 - lets not lose perspective, if the greatest manager in the world last season didnt deem him good enough anymore. He came out and called his attitude and fitness into question and was seen as surplus to requirements. So lets not rejoice to see that man who will be 34 getting a 300,000 a week contract - im a utd fan and i think the 70 million spent as you said "doesnt hurt our finances" is a ludicrous statement.

I could be wrong but rooney is not gonna get any better and even if he does, he will not sustain it for the duration of the contract - he called into question our ability for success to manipulate a pay rise and now when we are on our knees. He has again manipulated the weakness of a chief executive and manager who seem to be more interested in creating a positive mood to deflect from the results on the pitch to get himself another bumper contract.

Lord TSC

No

Surely we can't lose today. Surely not...

keeponhurling

No

I'm happy Rooney is staying, rate him very highly.

One thing that nobody has mentioned so far is that this is serious backing for Moyes.
Whatever your own opinion of Rooney, Moyes clearly rates him and has got some great performances out if him, and wanted him signed up.

300k a week isn't something the board would do without giving proper consideration to, especially when thete will be ni Champions League revenue next season, so in Moyes they trust.
Which I suppose is a good thing

Liam O

I love people here saying with certainty that Rooney will be getting 300, 000 a week when he's 34. I somehow think the club would notice something like that and have some sort of provision for decreasing wages at that point relative to appearances. Isn't Ronaldo's current deal for a ton more money and about the same length?

mewe

No

I can understand some fans being against the amount of wages Rooney's been given but for me signing him up is definitely the smart move. He gives us so much in desire to win and could give us even more playing as a striker. He's thrown the toys out of the pram at times and his agent is an absolute dick but nobody can say he hasn't been a good example to the other players, on the pitch, with his work rate. Without Rooney we'd be a much weaker side. I still think he has bags of ability as a footballer but it's his fight and will to win that we'd miss the most. I'm delighted with the news tbh.

Unearthly

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Surely we can't lose today. Surely not...

I reckon it's going to be the sequel to the Stoke match, and like most sequels, it's going to be worse than the original

Nalz

No

kryogen wrote: »

Even the likes of Bardsley, Richardson, Greening to an extent

Greening? He was bought from York in 1998 and then famously in our 1999 CL squad without playing...Sold then in 2001. Offered f*ck all tbf.

At least Richardson came from West Ham and made it to an extent....but Greening, no way. He could have cost us 2m!

Cantona's Collars

The Express going with the story that United will move for Klopp in the Summer.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/461060/Manchester-United-target-Dortmund-s-Jurgen-Klopp-as-faith-in-David-Moyes-wanes

BloodBath

No

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

On the salary front you don't follow the money far enough. To say if salaries were capped then shareholders or owners would get the money instead of players is simplistic. We could also see a situation where football became less expensive for the supporter. The only reason Sky an BT pay so much is that they recoup it from us via subscriptions. Very expensive subscriptions. A salary cap would help reduce cost for the match going of stay at home can too.

In an ideal socialist utopia maybe. We live in a capitalist world. The reality is that the stadium will still fill with higher ticket prices and people will still pay their subscriptions at home. If you don't have the money for either there are other means.

goodolegill wrote: »

fine if we were talking about the rooney prior to munich 2010 - lets not lose perspective, if the greatest manager in the world last season didnt deem him good enough anymore. He came out and called his attitude and fitness into question and was seen as surplus to requirements. So lets not rejoice to see that man who will be 34 getting a 300,000 a week contract - im a utd fan and i think the 70 million spent as you said "doesnt hurt our finances" is a ludicrous statement.

I could be wrong but rooney is not gonna get any better and even if he does, he will not sustain it for the duration of the contract - he called into question our ability for success to manipulate a pay rise and now when we are on our knees. He has again manipulated the weakness of a chief executive and manager who seem to be more interested in creating a positive mood to deflect from the results on the pitch to get himself another bumper contract.

Perspective? Here's perspective for you.

The greatest manager in the world also let our midfield go to **** for about 5 years straight while letting one of the brightest CM prospects in world football go for free to Juventus. Fergie is a legend but he's also human. He made plenty of mistakes. Not everything he says and does is the gospel. He's also no longer the manager so it's irrelevant what he thinks about Rooney.

I don't think you can question Rooney's attitude and fitness this season or most seasons. He has consistently been our best player since Ronny left. It's 70m spread over the next 5.5 years as well. That's around 12.5m a year. The club is expected to have around 350-400m in net revenue this year. In the grand scheme of things it's all relative. The club earns more, the players earn more. We also don't know anything about the details of the contract. The club will recoup money through imaging rights, sponsorship deals etc. Rooney is a worldwide star and is very marketable.

Rooney has a fantastic agent who has done his client well throughout his career. It might not be the prettiest thing in the world but it's business and nothing more.

goodolegill

No

BloodBath wrote: »

In an ideal socialist utopia maybe. We live in a capitalist world. The reality is that the stadium will still fill with higher ticket prices and people will still pay their subscriptions at home. If you don't have the money for either there are other means.



Perspective? Here's perspective for you.

The greatest manager in the world also let our midfield go to **** for about 5 years straight while letting one of the brightest CM prospects in world football go for free to Juventus. Fergie is a legend but he's also human. He made plenty of mistakes. Not everything he says and does is the gospel. He's also no longer the manager so it's irrelevant what he thinks about Rooney.

I don't think you can question Rooney's attitude and fitness this season or most seasons. He has consistently been our best player since Ronny left. It's 70m spread over the next 5.5 years as well. That's around 12.5m a year. The club is expected to have around 350-400m in net revenue this year. In the grand scheme of things it's all relative. The club earns more, the players earn more. We also don't know anything about the details of the contract. The club will recoup money through imaging rights, sponsorship deals etc. Rooney is a worldwide star and is very marketable.

Rooney has a fantastic agent who has done his client well throughout his career. It might not be the prettiest thing in the world but it's business and nothing more.

So the best manager made mistakes, im sure thats not up for debate - he was there for 20 odd years!!
ok, if u think he was wrong for not wanting to keep Rooney, are the managers of all the other big clubs also wrong because i dont think there were many other teams in world football who were willing to give him that contract. I have no doubts that we can afford his contract but my point is that the money could be better spent on younger alternative options when we already have a number of players who can play in his position.

BloodBath

No

The likes of Chelsea/Mourinho would have given him that in a heartbeat yes.

Replacing a player of Rooneys experience and quality isn't as easy as you think either. Some young foreign player is not going to be anywhere near as marketable as Rooney.

Stop thinking in simply football terms and recognize that it's a business.

If anyones going in the summer it's RVP.

tallaghtmick

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Surely we can't lose today. Surely not...

Is it on tv?

Lord TSC

No

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Is it on tv?

Half five game, so yeah.

zerks wrote: »

The Express going with the story that United will move for Klopp in the Summer.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/461060/Manchester-United-target-Dortmund-s-Jurgen-Klopp-as-faith-in-David-Moyes-wanes

Cantona's Collars

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Is it on tv?

Sky. 5.30pm k/o

Match thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057154244

tallaghtmick

No

Grand ill have the youngfella on his tablet :P

goodolegill

No

BloodBath wrote: »

The likes of Chelsea/Mourinho would have given him that in a heartbeat yes.

Replacing a player of Rooneys experience and quality isn't as easy as you think either. Some young foreign player is not going to be anywhere near as marketable as Rooney either.

Stop thinking in simply football terms and recognize that it's a business.

If anyones going in the summer it's RVP.

if mourinho really desperately wanted rooney as you said, i think the offer of 20 and 25 million would of been substantial higher. I personally would of sold rooney for say 20 million in the summer - brought Reus who is 4 years younger and has no problem playing in the 4 positions of a 4-2-3-1 and for half the weekly contract and would of saved substantial money.

Additionally, i dont even know where to start about u talking about his marketability - no one cares about that. They care about what he can do for utd on the pitch for the next 4-5 years!!

BloodBath

No

Who knows what the story was there. Mind games? There's no doubt rooney would have banged in goals for Chelsea this season if it had happened though.

Or better yet, keep the better more flexible Rooney who is more marketable and worth more to the club and who has been with us since he's 17 and sell the older RVP instead to buy someone like Reus. Why sell Rooney? He's an animal CF and should be put back into that position asap.

20 million for Rooney last season is a joke anyway. He's worth at least 50m. As for the marketing, it is important as long as he's doing what he's supposed to do on the pitch, which he is.

kryogen

Trilla wrote: »

Greening? He was bought from York in 1998 and then famously in our 1999 CL squad without playing...Sold then in 2001. Offered f*ck all tbf.

At least Richardson came from West Ham and made it to an extent....but Greening, no way. He could have cost us 2m!

No way we lost money on Greening, signed for an initial 500k, the 2mil was appearance and international appearance based, no way he hit that

He went to Middlesborough for 3 mil

I meant to say Gibson originally not Greening though and maybe Gillespie would sit better with you then Richardson?

Though Richardson was still technically brought in to the youth/reserve team and would have cost a nominal fee and was sold for 5.5 million so.................


Edit: I just had a look at your post again, you seem to have picked up my post wrong I guess

Nalz

No

kryogen wrote: »

No way we lost money on Greening, signed for an initial 500k, the 2mil was appearance and international appearance based, no way he hit that

He went to Middlesborough for 3 mil

I meant to say Gibson originally not Greening though and maybe Gillespie would sit better with you then Richardson?

He went to Middlesborough for 3m with Mark Wilson, another midfielder although he came through the ranks I think.

Greening offered nothing to us and we didn't do much to make him into a decent player, simply because he wasn't\isn't one.

kryogen wrote: »

The academy and guys like Eric Harrison must get plenty of credit for that too.

.....

Even the likes of Bardsley, Richardson, Greening to an extent

Wouln't be giving credit to them for Greening by any stretch... thats all

adox

No

zerks wrote: »

The Express going with the story that United will move for Klopp in the Summer.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/461060/Manchester-United-target-Dortmund-s-Jurgen-Klopp-as-faith-in-David-Moyes-wanes

Please please please please please please please be true.

Headshot

No

nothing to play for so i would like another dagger in moyes side

irishfeen

zerks wrote: »

The Express going with the story that United will move for Klopp in the Summer.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/461060/Manchester-United-target-Dortmund-s-Jurgen-Klopp-as-faith-in-David-Moyes-wanes

Not going to happen!

irishfeen

Headshot wrote: »

nothing to play for so i would like another dagger in moyes side

So you would like United to loose?? :eek:

kryogen

Trilla wrote: »

He went to Middlesborough for 3m with Mark Wilson, another midfielder although he came through the ranks I think.

Greening offered nothing to us and we didn't do much to make him into a decent player, simply because he wasn't\isn't one.


Wouln't be giving credit to them for Greening by any stretch... thats all

How much do you think they were paying for Wilson

Again, you missed the point of the post completely it seems, read it again?

What does it matter what Greening offered to us? Or whether he was a decent player?

The only credit necessary would be if they made a profit on him - which helped to keep the net spend low - which is what I said.

MagicMarker

Headshot wrote: »

nothing to play for so i would like another dagger in moyes side

Brilliant, well done.

Headshot

No

irishfeen wrote: »

So you would like United to loose?? :eek:

yap

We have nothing to play for and for the future of utd, Moyes has to go and if it takes utd losing, so be it

kryogen

Headshot wrote: »

nothing to play for so i would like another dagger in moyes side

This season is doing very bad things to you

irishfeen

Headshot wrote: »

yap

We have nothing to play for and for the future of utd, Moyes has to go and if it takes utd losing, so be it

Are you literally mad in the fcuking head? ... some fan you must be wanting us to loose - whoever is in charge, where ever we are in the league wanting us to loose is disgusting.

Headshot

No

kryogen wrote: »

This season is doing very bad things to you

I knew it was going to happen, the minute that man got the job I knew we were ****ed

I am ****ing delighted in one way I can say to most posters that I told you so

Headshot

No

irishfeen wrote: »

Are you literally mad in the fcuking head? ... some fan you must be wanting us to loose - whoever is in charge, where ever we are in the league wanting us to loose is disgusting.

lol

I bow to you oh super fan

irishfeen

Headshot wrote: »

lol

I bow to you oh super fan

I'm nothing of the sort but I have never ever wanted United to loose a match as you have said.

Headshot

No

irishfeen wrote: »

I'm nothing of the sort but I have never ever wanted United to loose a match as you have said.

yes superfan, we cant all be super like you

irishfeen

Headshot wrote: »

yes superfan, we cant all be super like you

Right well done, your right funny you.

goodolegill

No

BloodBath wrote: »

Who knows what the story was there. Mind games? There's no doubt rooney would have banged in goals for Chelsea this season if it had happened though.

Or better yet, keep the better more flexible Rooney who is more marketable and worth more to the club and who has been with us since he's 17 and sell the older RVP instead to buy someone like Reus. Why sell Rooney? He's an animal CF and should be put back into that position asap.

20 million for Rooney last season is a joke anyway. He's worth at least 50m. As for the marketing, it is important as long as he's doing what he's supposed to do on the pitch, which he is.

i think i did say i would of sold rooney for 20 million this summer. He is only worth what people would be willing to pay for him and i think 50 million would interest nobody.

Headshot

No

irishfeen wrote: »

Right well done, your right funny you.

yes super