Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

irishfeen · 22-02-2014 2:25pm

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

For what it's worth, with regards our little bet, if I win (i.e. if Moyes is sacked pre 1st Jan), I'll donate the tenner to charity You want to do the same?

Irish Cancer Society?? ... something close to my heart.

tinofapples · 22-02-2014 2:32pm

No

Idbatterim wrote: »

This is like the trappatoni ireland situation. Look if Moyes is a part of large part of the problem (which it certainly appears to me as a neutral) why the hell would anyone want him there to scupper another season? Moronic decision to appoint him to a club of united stature given the history and success, expectation. No other club in Europe in that class at the time of his appointment would even have him on the radar... I heard ferguson was pushing him, with all due respect, he's not paying his wages...

Imo Ferguson had way too much influence over his replacement.

Kerrydude1981 · 22-02-2014 2:32pm

No

Big day today in the race for 6th spot

Everton looking good against Chelsea so far.

tinofapples · 22-02-2014 2:32pm

No

Idbatterim wrote: »

This is like the trappatoni ireland situation. Look if Moyes is a part of large part of the problem (which it certainly appears to me as a neutral) why the hell would anyone want him there to scupper another season? Moronic decision to appoint him to a club of united stature given the history and success, expectation. No other club in Europe in that class at the time of his appointment would even have him on the radar... I heard ferguson was pushing him, with all due respect, he's not paying his wages...

Imo Ferguson had way too much influence over his replacement.

Will I Amnt · 22-02-2014 2:39pm

No

Idbatterim wrote: »

No other club in Europe in that class at the time of his appointment would even have him on the radar...

This argument annoys me. Moyes, rightly or wrongly, was appointed on the beliefs and values he holds in football. "Cut from the same cloth" as Ferguson and what have you.
It's exactly what Barcelona do.

Lord TSC · 22-02-2014 2:44pm

No

Yeah, I'll admit that I'm one of the biggest critics of him on here, but I'm not necessarily against the initial idea behind appointing him.

The reasoning behind appointing him was sound enough. It's just that the experiment didn't work out. The important thing though is to not continue with a failed experiment but to move on and try again to find the right fit.

Fenix · 22-02-2014 2:48pm

Rooney on half of what he's reportedly now getting would be a bitter pill for me to swallow. There are 2 players on the planet that come close to worth that sort of investment. Rooney, in my opinion, is some way off that standard.

The English media has done a fantastic job at building him as a 'world class' player. I for one don't buy it. He's a *good* player, with the ability to turn in some very good performances, but he as many con's to weigh up with the pro's.

If him being reaffirmed as Utd's 'main man' means Mata won't get the game time where he obviously excels (number 10 free role), then that will be disappointing also.

I'm aware it probably wont be a popular one, but that's just my opinion.

Idbatterim · 22-02-2014 2:56pm

thats the thing though, the value for money for English players and particularly the "high standard" ones, is going to be fairly awful, for obvious reasons...

Yeah, I'll admit that I'm one of the biggest critics of him on here, but I'm not necessarily against the initial idea behind appointing him.

The reasoning behind appointing him was sound enough. It's just that the experiment didn't work out. The important thing though is to not continue with a failed experiment but to move on and try again to find the right fit.

I understand that appointing any coach, there is always an element of risk, with some more than others, but would a world class company take a risk like that with so much at stake, maybe its not a perfect analogy, but I'm sure you get my point.

Moyes, rightly or wrongly, was appointed on the beliefs and values he holds in football.

What do they count for though at the end of the day? success is all that counts, people dont care how its achieved for the most part...

Rooney on half of what he's reportedly now getting would be a bitter pill for me to swallow. There are 2 players on the planet that come close to worth that sort of investment. Rooney, in my opinion, is some way off that standard.

The English media has done a fantastic job at building him as a 'world class' player. I for one don't buy it. He's a *good* player, with the ability to turn in some very good performances, but he as many con's to weigh up with the pro's.

They do a fantastic job of building anyone one of their country men that is better than average as "world class" that was the exact point I made earlier, its 21st century propaganda, repeat anything often enough and people start to believe it... I'm looking forward to the 2014 world cup, where no doubt some of the nations will be fielding starting 11's earning less than rooney per week and still show the "home of football" how to actually play it LOL

Will I Amnt · 22-02-2014 2:59pm

No

You have to take the tax rate into account if you're going to be comparing them to other leagues.

irishfeen · 22-02-2014 2:59pm

It did make me laugh

F.J. · 22-02-2014 3:09pm

Anyone see Moyes press conference yesterday.The answers too he last questions are pathetic.Implying it is the Premier League at fault for how things are.
Skip to about 5 minutes into the video if interested

http://youtu.be/SKOPoWstBks

goodolegill · 22-02-2014 3:12pm

No

does anyone think that there is any everton fans missing moyes too much?

F.J. · 22-02-2014 3:13pm

On the transfer front,I don't think we should be in for Gundogan at the minute.Been out for most of the season with a back injury.If he comes back and plays before the end of the season and proves his fitness I would have no problem but at the minute it is a gamble that does not need to be taken.Don't need another Hargreaves.

Deiseboy01 · 22-02-2014 3:33pm

BloodBath wrote: »

In an ideal socialist utopia maybe. We live in a capitalist world. The reality is that the stadium will still fill with higher ticket prices and people will still pay their subscriptions at home. If you don't have the money for either there are other means.

You can't continue milking supporters forever though, there comes a point when people make a decision based on cost. Could be fast approaching. Even now paying for 2 subscription sports channels at the rates charged is way too expensive for most. Id love to know what the numbers of subscribers are in the UK and Ireland, have numbers dropped? I've certainly cut back. Just have Sky now and can't really justify that given the amount if top rank games on BT.

Even if numbers have dropped in the UK/Ireland I know international rights will have more than made up for it but that too is not a never ending money pit.

A salary cap would be welcome if it allowed clubs to make reasonable profits and if supporters got cheaper subscriptions because the cost of rights declined.

There are a few on here who follow the NFL. They have a cap. How does that impact on subs costs for fans? Do more people proportionately subscribe making up the shortfall? Do players make up on the commercial side because the audience is bigger?

22-02-2014 3:42pm

Win this evening will put yous back ahead of Everton for 6th.

Unearthly · 22-02-2014 3:44pm

No

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Win this evening will put yous back ahead of Everton for 6th.

Get in there...

Will I Amnt · 22-02-2014 3:48pm

No

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Win this evening will put yous back ahead of Everton for 6th.

Back ahead? Were we ever ahead of them this season?

mobydopy · 22-02-2014 3:51pm

Everton still have a game in hand, don't they???

22-02-2014 3:53pm

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Back ahead? Were we ever ahead of them this season?

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/table/2013-11-10

helimachoptor · 22-02-2014 3:54pm

Nfl is pretty expensive especially going to a game but IMO any stadium experience is expensive.

Merchandise prices are probably comparable, I'm not sure on how much subscriptions cost tbh in the US, for example one of the satellite operators over there offers nfl Sunday ticket (all nfl games) free if you take it's normal tv package.

Peter Flynt · 22-02-2014 3:54pm

F.J. wrote: »

Anyone see Moyes press conference yesterday.The answers too he last questions are pathetic.Implying it is the Premier League at fault for how things are.
Skip to about 5 minutes into the video if interested

http://youtu.be/SKOPoWstBks

He's stated that the "Premier League have got what they wanted"

When asked to clarify Moyes stated "I won't answer that"

Is MOyes seriously implying there is some sort of conspiracy theory against him and Manchester United this season?

That's beyond juvenile.

Will I Amnt · 22-02-2014 3:54pm

No

[Deleted User] wrote: »

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/table/2013-11-10

Aaaah, the good old days :pac:

2moreMinutes · 22-02-2014 3:55pm

I couldn't care less how much any player is paid so it's great news that Rooney has committed himself to the club. If the money men feel they can pay him 300k without it bankrupting the club either now or in future, who cares if it seems obscene to us normal folk?

It may also be a great bit of business depending on whether RVP runs off crying in the summer or not.

Great to be back playing too. I feel an absolute hammering for Palace coming up today.

2moreMinutes · 22-02-2014 4:04pm

F.J. wrote: »

Anyone see Moyes press conference yesterday.The answers too he last questions are pathetic.Implying it is the Premier League at fault for how things are.
Skip to about 5 minutes into the video if interested

http://youtu.be/SKOPoWstBks

The question he was asked was about the PL being more competitive this season. Don't really see how he's implying they are at fault for anything? Unless we're taking the anti-Moyes and everything he says route in which case I can see exactly how he means that.

Kylo Ren · 22-02-2014 4:18pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10655148/Wayne-Rooney-ready-to-go-global-with-Manchester-United-after-agreeing-long-term-contract-worth-300000-a-week.html

Rooney has signed a 5½-year contract worth the same £250,000 a week as his outgoing deal, which was due to expire in June 2015.

But while the contract has now been signed, Telegraph Sport understands that negotiations between United and the player’s
representative, Paul Stretford, are ongoing over the 28-year-old potentially tapping into the club’s hugely-successful global sales team to boost his earning power from his own personal sponsorship deals.

Such an agreement would see Rooney, who has deals with Nike and Samsung, maximise his individual earning potential with United’s commercial staff working on his behalf to secure lucrative endorsements across the globe.
United will continue to benefit from Rooney’s image rights, with the player contributing to the club’s commercial programme as before, but such an agreement would be the first of its kind in the Premier League and one which it is anticipated would take the England international’s earnings beyond £300,000 a week.

F.J. · 22-02-2014 4:18pm

2moreMinutes wrote: »

The question he was asked was about the PL being more competitive this season. Don't really see how he's implying they are at fault for anything? Unless we're taking the anti-Moyes and everything he says route in which case I can see exactly how he means that.

It was the answer to the last question which does him no favours.Pathetic may have been harsh but don't think he did himself any favours with it.

BloodBath · 22-02-2014 4:23pm

No

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

You can't continue milking supporters forever though, there comes a point when people make a decision based on cost. Could be fast approaching. Even now paying for 2 subscription sports channels at the rates charged is way too expensive for most. Id love to know what the numbers of subscribers are in the UK and Ireland, have numbers dropped? I've certainly cut back. Just have Sky now and can't really justify that given the amount if top rank games on BT.

Even if numbers have dropped in the UK/Ireland I know international rights will have more than made up for it but that too is not a never ending money pit.

A salary cap would be welcome if it allowed clubs to make reasonable profits and if supporters got cheaper subscriptions because the cost of rights declined.

There are a few on here who follow the NFL. They have a cap. How does that impact on subs costs for fans? Do more people proportionately subscribe making up the shortfall? Do players make up on the commercial side because the audience is bigger?

I don't disagree. If I could pay a reasonable rate to watch all the united games I would but as it stands even if you have Sky and Bt you can't watch all the games.

The reality is it's a business with shareholders who want more and more profit.

The top player wages are insane money but it's a pittance compared to what the main share holders are getting and it's only for a short period of their already short careers.

Smithwicks Man · 22-02-2014 4:43pm

No

BloodBath wrote: »

What do you think the chances of getting Pogba back to the club in the summer are? I noticed he was only on 25k a week at Juve.

With Fergie gone and some sweet talk and assurances from Woodward and Moyes and of course the right fee to Juve and wages for Pogba is there a chance he would come back?

Out of some of the names being floated around he seems more obtainable than some despite the bad history.

I'd say slim to nil. Juventus are a better side than United currently and have a much better chance at winning major silverware, already being set for their 3rd Scudetto in a row. Pogba is very well liked by the fans etc. and will certainly become a mainstay in one of, if not the best midfields in world football.

The biggest mistake SAF made in years was letting Pogba go. He is exactly the type of player United need in midfield and he will go on to be one of the best midfielders in the world for years to come.

Despite all this, a transfer of around €35-40m would probably be enough to sign him as Juventus aren't exactly flowing with cash at the minute and it would be the best money United could possibly spend in the Summer. Whether or not he'd play for United is another thing, I very much doubt that he would.

Mikeyt086 · 22-02-2014 4:47pm

No

Look at the almost seductive confidence in Eddy's eyes:

Very reassuring. We're going to be fine.

Smithwicks Man · 22-02-2014 4:48pm

No

BloodBath wrote: »

Rooney is the type of player who will bang 30-40 goals in a season if you stick him up front.

He's only ever had two seasons where he's scored 20+ PL goals (and only two where he scored 30+ in all competitions - same seasons) so I don't think he's as prolific as some people think. That being said, he's been played out of position for the last couple of years when he most likely would've been in his prime.

BloodBath · 22-02-2014 4:59pm

No

I'd still see him scoring 30+ goals a season as CF if he was played there assuming RVP is gone in the summer. It depends on who the trio of attackers are behind him are. Reus, Mata and kagawa/Januzaj would be nice.

Saucy McKetchup · 22-02-2014 5:40pm

No

Finally a starting line-up with januzaj, Rooney, Mata and rvp up front, looking forward to the game now

bangkok · 22-02-2014 5:45pm

Manchester United starting line-up: De Gea, Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Fellaini, Carrick, Januzaj, Mata, Rooney, van Persie

best team utd had out this season....good to see rio and vidic back in the centre and a front 4 of Januzaj, Mata, Rooney, van Persie.....

Paul Tergat · 22-02-2014 5:48pm

bangkok wrote: »

Manchester United starting line-up: De Gea, Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Fellaini, Carrick, Januzaj, Mata, Rooney, van Persie

best team utd had out this season....good to see rio and vidic back in the centre and a front 4 of Januzaj, Mata, Rooney, van Persie.....

I dont really see merit in playing Rio and Vida anymore. I assume today its down to injuries with Smalling at RB and no defender on the bench but with nothing really to play for in the league lets move away from teh old guard who are leaving in the summer

lordgoat · 22-02-2014 5:48pm

No

How are we going to cross the ball in with no wingers?

Kags for Jan and that's prob my first team.

Saucy McKetchup · 22-02-2014 5:49pm

No

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I dont really see merit in playing Rio and Vida anymore. I assume today its down to injuries with Smalling at RB and no defender on the bench but with nothing really to play for in the league lets move away from teh old guard who are leaving in the summer

Vidic is still our best defender, it'd be fairly stupid to bench him just because he's leaving

SherlockWatson · 22-02-2014 5:49pm

Is this on Sky?

Saucy McKetchup · 22-02-2014 5:51pm

No

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Is this on Sky?

Yep

TheDoc · 22-02-2014 5:55pm

Got Rooney to scorefirst and United to win @ 5/1.

Hoping Rooney feels to the need to make a justification

Paul Tergat · 22-02-2014 5:55pm

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Vidic is still our best defender, it'd be fairly stupid to bench him just because he's leaving

Why is it stupid? What do we have to gain from playing him there in the league? Lets see the Smalling/Jones partnership develop.

Lord TSC · 22-02-2014 5:56pm

No

Love our attacking lineup, but that defence line has me shuddering. fear Rio and Vidic will get torn apart.

DazMarz · 22-02-2014 5:57pm

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Love our attacking lineup, but that defence line has me shuddering. fear Rio and acidic will get torn apart.

Goddamn autocorrect... :P

Though hearing Vidic being called acidic made me grin a bit...

And damn you Teamshadowclan and your ninja edit!!!

Saucy McKetchup · 22-02-2014 5:59pm

No

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Why is it stupid? What do we have to gain from playing him there in the league? Lets see the Smalling/Jones partnership develop.

Because he's our best defender

Paul Tergat · 22-02-2014 6:00pm

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Because he's our best defender

We've nothing to play for in the league and hes leaving. Why not see what Jones can do? Don't see any merit in your argument

Lord TSC · 22-02-2014 6:03pm

No

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Because he's our best defender

Personally think he has been a liability in our last two games...

Chagan · 22-02-2014 6:08pm

No

Decent line up. Rio and Vidic weren't too bad at the Emirates so I'm not as concerned to see them start as I may have been two weeks ago. That front four looks amazing too.

I find it funny that on the day we finally get Fellaini, our biggest aerial threat, back neither Young or Valencia play.

Saucy McKetchup · 22-02-2014 6:08pm

No

Paul Tergat wrote: »

We've nothing to play for in the league and hes leaving. Why not see what Jones can do? Don't see any merit in your argument

Well I'm fairly sure the players don't think we have nothing to play for, whilst, champions league qualification is still a possibility we have everything to play for, therefore we play our best players

Saucy McKetchup · 22-02-2014 6:09pm

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Personally think he has been a liability in our last two games...

Yeah he was poor against Fulham but he's still better than jones or smalling, a quality replacement is needed in the summer

Paul Tergat · 22-02-2014 6:14pm

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Well I'm fairly sure the players don't think we have nothing to play for, whilst, champions league qualification is still a possibility we have everything to play for, therefore we play our best players

Shame we arent playing that way. 4th is long gone

Your Airbag · 22-02-2014 6:15pm

The lineup a lot of people wanted to see. Can this be our team for the run in?

Cue a load of injuries

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