Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

Macca07

Paulegend wrote: »

lol im not trying to get under anyones skin im just responding to a comeback from yesterday when i said that i cant see kroos going to united in the summer

Maybe not, but it is certainly a lot more attractive than Liverpool, even if we don't get CL football next season and Liverpool do.

One year out of CL isn't going to mean the end in terms of money for United.

Manchester United: 2013 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Results
RECORD ANNUAL REVENUE UP 13.4% TO £363.2M
SPONSORSHIP REVENUE FOR THE YEAR INCREASED 44.1%
ADJUSTED EBITDA FOR FISCAL 2013 UP 18.6% TO £108.6M
ADJUSTED EBITDA OUTLOOK FOR FISCAL 2014 UP 18% TO 22%

So we'd take a hit by missing out on CL, but our sponsorship is growing massively.

Maximus Alexander

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

I think that just by responding to you you win because I feel that's all you want, but I couldn't resist cos I'm bored in work and genuinely can't tell if that is a serious post or not.

If you are being genuine the amount of delusion in that post is staggering!

My favourite part was the bit where he fantasizes that Liverpool could afford to make an offer for Kroos.

The_Kew_Tour

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Paulegend wrote: »

i dont think the boards servers are big enough


lol im not trying to get under anyones skin im just responding to a comeback from yesterday when i said that i cant see kroos going to united in the summer

I agree with you that we aint going to get Kroos.

But while not gettng CL football is far from ideal money will talk into getting other players too.

I will say it again though. Kroos is staying at Bayern unless Madrid or Barca come calling.

Macca07

Paulegend wrote: »

ahhhhh what did cesc/vidal/derossi/sneijder/thiago do when united came calling???

And just for the record, we never officially made a bid for Vidal, Sneijder or Thiago.

Paulegend

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

Ha, not trying to get under anyones skin, yet you suggest we should move for Kevin Doyle, or that after one poor season going to United is now the same as throwing away your career.

Obvious what your are at here, and there is a simple enough solution for the rest of it, though I don't think I can state what it is because I think you can get carded for it, but ill be doing it myself anyway to save myself anymore wasted time with this childishness.

hell no i suggested kevin doyle jokingly. not trying to wind anyone up. by "throwing away your career" i meant that why would he go and play non european football when he is entering the prime of his career and other clubs in better positions will also be offering him a chance

what are you on about i can get carded?? for what. i havent done anything wrong. i have simpily responded to a post aimed at me. i have expressed my opinion and if i where a betting man id bet quiet a lot on the fact that my opinion is 100% accurate

kroos will not be joining manchester united this summer. thats just my opinion. the same opinion that says ronaldo wont be joining ye?? do you think that opinion is winding you up too??? dude chill out what do you care what some random person on the internet feels about manchester united signing a player or not

Paulegend

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

My favourite part was the bit where he fantasizes that Liverpool could afford to make an offer for Kroos.

i actually stated for the record that i dont think liverpool could even afford him.......................................... but facts, meh

Macca07 wrote: »

And just for the record, we never officially made a bid for Vidal, Sneijder or Thiago.

it was public knowledge that an attempt was made regardless of an official bid??

adox

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Havent posted here in a few days.
Can someone give me an update on the Mata situation for tonight?

DARK-KNIGHT

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Paulegend wrote: »

hell no. liverpool wont get kross. liverpool wont afford kross. im just saying that kross would be more attracted to liverpools situation than uniteds.

people seem to forget that monaco psg juventus madrid possibly barca and even dortmund not to mention the other english clubs like arsenal city and chelsea will all look at kross IF he is available

and every one of those clubs will be able to match anything united can offer with the exception of champions league nights off

Its ****ing kroos not kross

J. Marston

No

adox wrote: »

Havent posted here in a few days.
Can someone give me an update on the Mata situation for tonight?

Not injured as far as I know so he should start.

Cup-tied.

ericzeking

adox wrote: »

Havent posted here in a few days.
Can someone give me an update on the Mata situation for tonight?

Don't think he's available...I think his wife or mother or granny or something wants him to sign for Liverpoll for 300 grand a week......

Macca07

Paulegend wrote: »

it was public knowledge that an attempt was made regardless of an official bid??

Making an attempt without an official bid is classified as tapping up, and the club would be punished. If it was public knowledge, then why weren't they punished???

We inquired about Thiago, and were informed immediately that he was going to Bayern. He has confirmed this.

Again, we inquired about Sneidjer, but it would cost too much to bring him to the club.

Vidal, AFAIK, that's all paper talk.

DARK-KNIGHT

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The amount of sniping in here from a few undesirables is stupid... how not one of the mods hasnt seen whats going on i dont know... normally im not one to go reporting users but when a thread is being derailed and a blatant attempt to wind our fans up is going on enough is enough...

Mitch Connor

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DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

The amount of sniping in here from a few undesirables is stupid... how not one of the mods hasnt seen whats going on i dont know... normally im not one to go reporting users but when a thread is being derailed and a blatant attempt to wind our fans up is going on enough is enough...

I tend to leave Kryogen off to be honest - he's a bit of a special case and needs to be treated as such...

bangkok

not a hope in hell of kroos going to Liverpool!!! why would he leave a 70000 seater world class stadium to go play at a 45000 seater dump!!!

DARK-KNIGHT

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Macca07 wrote: »

Making an attempt without an official bid is classified as tapping up, and the club would be punished. If it was public knowledge, then why weren't they punished???

We inquired about Thiago, and were informed immediately that he was going to Bayern. He has confirmed this.

Again, we inquired about Sneidjer, but it would cost too much to bring him to the club.

Vidal, AFAIK, that's all paper talk.

The delusion from other fans thinking united had big chequebook out throwing money around is laughable...

Paulegend

Macca07 wrote: »

Maybe not, but it is certainly a lot more attractive than Liverpool, even if we don't get CL football next season and Liverpool do.

One year out of CL isn't going to mean the end in terms of money for United.

Manchester United: 2013 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Results
RECORD ANNUAL REVENUE UP 13.4% TO £363.2M
SPONSORSHIP REVENUE FOR THE YEAR INCREASED 44.1%
ADJUSTED EBITDA FOR FISCAL 2013 UP 18.6% TO £108.6M
ADJUSTED EBITDA OUTLOOK FOR FISCAL 2014 UP 18% TO 22%

So we'd take a hit by missing out on CL, but our sponsorship is growing massively.

ibut is it not true that if ye miss out on champions league this year then sponsors will have a little think about ye. then if ye miss out next year again sponsors wont be as quick to offer big deal. then if ye missed out a third year sponsors wouldnt dare offer ye these kind of deals?

sponsors see united as a huge global fan base which they are of course.

but lack of success will see the younger fans (the ones not use to seeing lack of success) start to lose interest in the club. that brings down number of global fans and therefore reduces the attractive feature of united for sponsors.

to a hugely lesser extent the same happened to leeds and even a huger (trademarked) lesser extent it happened liverpool 20 odd years ago. success slowed and so did the non local fan base. that meant that sponsors wherent as forthcoming.

so while it might be just 1 year way from champions league it could lead to something much bigger if ye dont ironically break the bank to get back into the champions league

so in a way signing kross. trying to get cecs again. going after players like cavani/falcao. spending big might be the only way.

if liverpool(or even spurs) get a top 4 with arsenal chelsea and city. then all four will strengthen further. especially liverpool. spurs maybe not so much as they have a big squad. but liverpool have a small squad. so with teh top 4 strengthening it means it will be tougher for united next year to get back there

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I agree with you that we aint going to get Kroos.

But while not gettng CL football is far from ideal money will talk into getting other players too.

I will say it again though. Kroos is staying at Bayern unless Madrid or Barca come calling.

will money really talk though? cesc last year for example. that was probably mnore down to the fact he wants to stay at barca but ye where willing to pay big cash for him.

i just think that while money does talk. it means nothing when the competition for a players signature can also offer the same money. for example if chelsea or city where in for the same player they could easily offer the same cash plus champions league. surely that negates the money talks arguement

DARK-KNIGHT

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bangkok wrote: »

not a hope in hell of kroos going to Liverpool!!! why would he leave a 70000 seater world class stadium to go play at a 45000 seater dump!!!

Ah now now in the 80s it was a great place to play....

Paulegend

Macca07 wrote: »

Making an attempt without an official bid is classified as tapping up, and the club would be punished. If it was public knowledge, then why weren't they punished???

We inquired about Thiago, and were informed immediately that he was going to Bayern. He has confirmed this.

Again, we inquired about Sneidjer, but it would cost too much to bring him to the club.

Vidal, AFAIK, that's all paper talk.

i didnt realise that making an enquirey about a player wasnt making an attempt??

Macca07

I'm done... where's the ignore button???

It got too much when he was able to see into the future.

DARK-KNIGHT

No

Paulegend wrote: »

ibut is it not true that if ye miss out on champions league this year then sponsors will have a little think about ye. then if ye miss out next year again sponsors wont be as quick to offer big deal. then if ye missed out a third year sponsors wouldnt dare offer ye these kind of deals?

sponsors see united as a huge global fan base which they are of course.

but lack of success will see the younger fans (the ones not use to seeing lack of success) start to lose interest in the club. that brings down number of global fans and therefore reduces the attractive feature of united for sponsors.

to a hugely lesser extent the same happened to leeds and even a huger (trademarked) lesser extent it happened liverpool 20 odd years ago. success slowed and so did the non local fan base. that meant that sponsors wherent as forthcoming.

so while it might be just 1 year way from champions league it could lead to something much bigger if ye dont ironically break the bank to get back into the champions league

so in a way signing kross. trying to get cecs again. going after players like cavani/falcao. spending big might be the only way.

if liverpool(or even spurs) get a top 4 with arsenal chelsea and city. then all four will strengthen further. especially liverpool. spurs maybe not so much as they have a big squad. but liverpool have a small squad. so with teh top 4 strengthening it means it will be tougher for united next year to get back there



will money really talk though? cesc last year for example. that was probably mnore down to the fact he wants to stay at barca but ye where willing to pay big cash for him.

i just think that while money does talk. it means nothing when the competition for a players signature can also offer the same money. for example if chelsea or city where in for the same player they could easily offer the same cash plus champions league. surely that negates the money talks arguement

Its Kroos and Cesc not kross and cecs

Maximus Alexander

Paulegend wrote: »

i actually stated for the record that i dont think liverpool could even afford him.......................................... but facts, meh

I don't follow your blog or whatever so I don't know what else you might have said, but:

Paulegend wrote: »

mrs kross: hey baby i heard you got two offers. man united wow. liverpool cool. so are you going to go play with suarez sturridge coutinho sakho and gerrard and play in the champions league

So yeah, that was my favourite part.

Macca07

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Its Kroos and Cesc not kross and cecs

and mid-term is over... bet he pulled a sick day

kryogen

Paulegend wrote: »

ok lets pretend your in the kross household this summer

mrs kross: hey baby i heard you got two offers. man united wow. liverpool cool. so are you going to go play with suarez sturridge coutinho sakho and gerrard and play in the champions league or are you gonna throw away your career and play with rooney mata and the tall belgian with the hair and not even be in the europa league all the while taking career advice from moyes who will play you at right back?

mr kross: ahhhhh what did cesc/vidal/derossi/sneijder/thiago do when united came calling???

Has anybody welcomed you yet?

If not let me warmly welcome you to the soccer forum and the United thread, its obviously been a long wait for you to get up the confidence to post here and its understandable you havent been able to resist putting the boot in at every opportunity, even if your posts are complete gibberish at times I welcome you

I assume you will shrink away again once things return to normality, so enjoy the gloating buddy, you have had a long wait.

Paulegend

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

The amount of sniping in here from a few undesirables is stupid... how not one of the mods hasnt seen whats going on i dont know... normally im not one to go reporting users but when a thread is being derailed and a blatant attempt to wind our fans up is going on enough is enough...

so talking about a player who may or may not be going to Manchester united in a thread called superthread Manchester united talk/gossip/rumours thread 2013/14 is derailing said thread when the talk in here is already about said player

noone is trying to wind anyone up. just having an opposing view. its not like yer all helpless here. there is quiet a bit of liverpool bashing been thrown back at my argument.

Agueroooo

bangkok wrote: »

not a hope in hell of kroos going to Liverpool!!! why would he leave a 70000 seater world class stadium to go play at a 45000 seater dump!!!

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Ah now now in the 80s it was a great place to play....

Falcao and the 18,000 capacity Stade Louis II say Hi !!

don't kid yourself. when serious wages are on the table a player and his agent will see that first and foremost.

not that Liverpool will sign Kroos but its kinda silly to use a stadium as the mitigating factor.

Julez

No

Paulegend wrote: »

i actually stated for the record that i dont think liverpool could even afford him.......................................... but fachts, meh




it was public knowledge that an attempt was made regardless of an official bid??

fixed that for you.

DARK-KNIGHT

No

I honestly cant wait til next season and seeing united transform itself into a fantastic team with say 4 maybe 5 signings....

We have world class attack... mata, rooney, jan the man and RVPare astonishing footballers

Thecon21

No

Paulegend wrote: »

will money really talk though?

Yes money certainly talks. Also if Kroos (only using him as an example) was informed of the teams future plans and building the midfield around him/Mata, then they can be pursuaded to join the "project".

Missing out on champs league for possibly one season is not the be all and end all..

Look no further than City, PsG & Monaco, attracting top players with no top European football to offer..

I think United will sign one or two top class players in the summer, champs league regardless..

Paulegend

kryogen wrote: »

Has anybody welcomed you yet?

If not let me warmly welcome you to the soccer forum and the United thread, its obviously been a long wait for you to get up the confidence to post here and its understandable you havent been able to resist putting the boot in at every opportunity, even if your posts are complete gibberish at times I welcome you

I assume you will shrink away again once things return to normality, so enjoy the gloating buddy, you have had a long wait.

youve noticed that i havent put the boot in. i will not be putting the boot in. im not trying to slag off united in anyway. im just pointing out that united will face stiff competition and much better offers for kroos

unfortunately a few seemed to think i was on a wind up so have taken the offended approach

bangkok

Agueroooo wrote: »

Falcao and the 18,000 capacity Stade Louis II say Hi !!

don't kid yourself. when serious wages are on the table a player and his agent will see that first and foremost.

not that Liverpool will sign Kroos but its kinda silly to use a stadium as the mitigating factor.

I just meant they don't have the finances...Monaco have Dmitry Rybolovlev a multi billionaire that can afford to give falcao 300k a week... Liverpool are nowhere near able to match them salaries

DARK-KNIGHT

No

Paulegend wrote: »

so talking about a player who may or may not be going to Manchester united in a thread called superthread Manchester united talk/gossip/rumours thread 2013/14 is derailing said thread when the talk in here is already about said player

noone is trying to wind anyone up. just having an opposing view. its not like yer all helpless here. there is quiet a bit of liverpool bashing been thrown back at my argument.

Now that i have your undivided attention let me ask who Mr Kross and Mrs Kross are?

Paulegend

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I don't follow your blog or whatever so I don't know what else you might have said, but:



So yeah, that was my favourite part.

Paulegend wrote: »

hell no. liverpool wont get kross. liverpool wont afford kross. im just saying that kross would be more attracted to liverpools situation than uniteds.

people seem to forget that monaco psg juventus madrid possibly barca and even dortmund not to mention the other english clubs like arsenal city and chelsea will all look at kross IF he is available

and every one of those clubs will be able to match anything united can offer with the exception of champions league nights off

this is what i posted and stated that liverpool will not be getting him but yea...........

Paulegend

Paulegend wrote: »

youve noticed that i havent put the boot in. i will not be putting the boot in. im not trying to slag off united in all in anyways. im just pointing out that united will face stiff competition and much better offers for kroos

unfortunately a few seemed to think i was on a wind up so have taken the offended approach

I've corrected that for you Mr Leg End.

Agueroooo

bangkok wrote: »

I just meant they don't have the finances...

no.you.did.not

at least have the balls to stand by what you said !

you specifically said...

not a hope in hell of kroos going to Liverpool!!! why would he leave a 70000 seater world class stadium to go play at a 45000 seater dump!!!

so taking the above into account does that mean when LFC start 2016/17 season (fingers crossed) with a new capacity of 60k+ that it will give us the edge?

Paulegend

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Now that i have your undivided attention let me ask who Mr Kross and Mrs Kross are?

they own a funeral home in limerick:D

i was just trying to add a little colour to an otherwise dull everyday conversation, and it seems to have worked:)

Lucas Hood

No

Agueroooo wrote: »

Falcao and the 18,000 capacity Stade Louis II say Hi !!

don't kid yourself. when serious wages are on the table a player and his agent will see that first and foremost.

not that Liverpool will sign Kroos but its kinda silly to use a stadium as the mitigating factor.

I agree with your point overall but Falcao probably isn't the greatest example to use , With his third party ownership he hasn't got much say where he goes.

Agueroooo

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I agree with your point overall but Falcao probably isn't the greatest example to use , With his third party ownership he hasn't got much say where he goes.

I agree with your point but I don't think they had to a Nidge on him and fook him in the boot of a car, and kidnap either.

DARK-KNIGHT

No

Paulegend wrote: »

they own a funeral home in limerick:D

i was just trying to add a little colour to an otherwise dull everyday conversation, and it seems to have worked:)

Add colour to the pool thread then instead of winding people up here... you know exactly what you were doing. Very subtle way of doing it but we can all see what your doing or attempting yo do

Lucas Hood

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Agueroooo wrote: »

I agree with your point but I don't think they had to a Nidge on him and fook him in the boot of a car, and kidnap either.

Yeah maybe. Read this on his transfer if you haven't already it's very interesting.

Lord TSC

No

Well, off to Dublin for the night. First game of the season I miss so fully expect it to be a cracker Hope ye all enjoy it.

kryogen

Agueroooo wrote: »

Falcao and the 18,000 capacity Stade Louis II say Hi !!

don't kid yourself. when serious wages are on the table a player and his agent will see that first and foremost.

not that Liverpool will sign Kroos but its kinda silly to use a stadium as the mitigating factor.

You will see that is at odds with what your comrade has been spouting

Its kinda silly to be so short sighted, but sure what are ya gonna do?

Agueroooo

kryogen wrote: »

You will see that is at odds with what your comrade has been spouting

Its kinda silly to be so short sighted, but sure what are ya gonna do?

comrade?

Mr P.legend can spout what he wants. I was simply replying directly to a silly post.

Sorry you will have to explain this bit to me...

Its kinda silly to be so short sighted, but sure what are ya gonna do?

kryogen

Agueroooo wrote: »

comrade?

Mr P.legend can spout what he wants. I was simply replying directly to a silly post.

Sorry you will have to explain this bit to me...

Wouldnt worry about it, not directed at you.

Paulegend

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Add colour to the pool thread then instead of winding people up here... you know exactly what you were doing. Very subtle way of doing it but we can all see what your doing or attempting to do

since this is the grammar capital of the world ive fixed that for yea


i know what i was doing here and its engaging in a topical conversation which happened. why would i need to wind you up??

have i said anything really bad regarding united??

Fishyfreak

All of these posts means that my "I prefer Smalling at RB ahead of Rafael" is buried about 6 pages ago. Sweeeeet!

Now to google some bulletproof opinions and fob them off as my own to get some credibility back.

lordgoat

No

Paulegend wrote: »

youve noticed that i havent put the boot in. i will not be putting the boot in. im not trying to slag off united in anyway. im just pointing out that united will face stiff competition and much better offers for kroos

unfortunately a few seemed to think i was on a wind up so have taken the offended approach

It's a shame that so many posters got confused by your posts and assumed that you were on the wind up. As a united fan I agree 100% with you.

Also is Mata confirmed out for tonight?

kryogen

Fishyfreak wrote: »

All of these posts means that my "I prefer Smalling at RB ahead of Rafael" is buried about 6 pages ago. Sweeeeet!

Now to google some bulletproof opinions and fob them off as my own to get some credibility back.

Diverse opinions are no harm!

kryogen

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I agree with your point overall but Falcao probably isn't the greatest example to use , With his third party ownership he hasn't got much say where he goes.

This was true, he was going to whoever was willing to pay the biggest fee

Paulegend

kryogen wrote: »

But you have put the boot in, you have slagged United off.

Your reasoning is short sighted at best and verges on delusion at times.

The fact that you dont think KROOS will sign for United in the summer is hardly the issue, you would be in the majority there.

I have actually been infracted for less then what you have said in this thread funnily enough, of course the modding in certain parts of the forum are much heavier handed then others. Liverpool mods can get a bit defensive but you should be clear to work away in here for the foreseeable future anyway as long as you keep it behind the line

??? by saying that united wont finish in the top 4??? by saying that a player might for some odd reason think its a step down to go to a club not in the champions league?? is that bigger than slagging off liverpools lack of success in teh last 24 years or liverpools 45k seater stadium?? really its just nit picking. there was no slagging going on in either direction. it may have been a discusion that a few didnt like the topic of but thats footie for yea


i feel you may be responding to someone else on your second point??? absolutely no idea what your talking about regarding infractions and modding etc. sorry

kryogen

lordgoat wrote: »

It's a shame that so many posters got confused by your posts and assumed that you were on the wind up. As a united fan I agree 100% with you.

Also is Mata confirmed out for tonight?

Left at home, rumours are he was banging Moyes daughter