Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

irishfeen

Agree with Gilles on RVP - what he said last night was unforgivable... if he did that under SAF he might not take to the pitch again for United.

user2011

No

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

May be no avoiding it.
75/80% likely that 6th will get EL as well (if City win the league cup on Sunday).
Some reasonable scenarios of 7th getting an EL place also.

Just great!!!

Yeah 5/6 points clear of Newcastle and Southampton. Would be expecting Newcastle to drop further behind so the only hope would be Southampton catching us maybe if Moyes completely loses the players it could happen but unlikely.

Moyes out now so, get things rolling for next season

bmcc10

Giles is a dinosaur, Sadler talking sense what is the stamp? No matter what players are at a managers exposal they make there own mark, Moyes hasn't shown any indication what way he wants to play.

Lord TSC

No

BloodBath wrote: »

You obviously don't pay much attention to the market or what players are being sold for these days.

Those values are as close to accurate as you will get.

No one will pay those prices for players that are not wanted by a club, who are held in such low regard by the fans and who will likely have to take a step down.

brinty

BloodBath wrote: »

You obviously don't pay much attention to the market or what players are being sold for these days.

Those values are as close to accurate as you will get.

Lad if you think anyone would
1) buy fletch given his injuries and
2) pay 4m for him and
3) he'd leave united

you my friend should be running the club

Kaizersoze81

No

Giles talking rubbish. Moyes is showing nothing at all to suggest he should be given time. If he had the team playing the right way but still losing then fair enough, but his tactics are shocking.

Max_Charger

Did Giles just call RVP a prat?

BigBabyTaylor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Nani still injured ya?

This is one thing that really annoys me, when players are injured we get this vague description of an injury and not told any timeframe for their return. How long has nani been injured now at this stage? 3 or 4 months maybe? and still as far as im aware there has been nothing said apart from hes injured his hamstring. Was much the same for Van persie when he was out. As if it meant to keep the opposition guessing or something.....

Headshot

No

irishfeen wrote: »

Agree with Gilles on RVP - what he said last night was unforgivable... if he did that under SAF he might not take to the pitch again for United.

He wouldn't say or need to say it under fergie

Soups123

irishfeen wrote: »

Agree with Gilles on RVP - what he said last night was unforgivable... if he did that under SAF he might not take to the pitch again for United.

RVP went way to far last night if I was a United fan is be really fcukin pissed undermining players and manager

BloodBath

No

Look it was a bit of fun. There's obviously going to be some deviation in those numbers. If you're going to nit pick every little thing you disagree with don't bother.

It was a simple game for people to take their mind off of this bull**** Moyes topic that most of us agree on.

How would you spend 165M for transfers and 1M a week wages.

Mr.Nice Guy

People are insulting Giles but Ferguson backs Moyes too.

So I'd like to know do people think Fergie is 'thick', a 'dinosaur', 'a fool'?

Don't forget who chose Moyes and who in his retirement speech asked for fans to get behind him.

lertsnim

Max_Charger wrote: »

Did Giles just call RVP a prat?

He sure did

brinty

BloodBath wrote: »

Look it was a bit of fun. There's obviously going to be some deviation in those numbers. If you're going to nit pick every little thing you disagree with don't bother.

It was a simple game for people to take their mind off of this bull**** Moyes topic that most of us agree on.

How would you spend 165M for transfers and 1M a week wages.

Simple
Sign bloody Ronaldo

mitosis

BloodBath wrote: »

Look it was a bit of fun. There's obviously going to be some deviation in those numbers. If you're going to nit pick every little thing you disagree with don't bother.

It was a simple game for people to take their mind off of this bull**** Moyes topic that most of us agree on.

How would you spend 165M for transfers and 1M a week wages.

Freddy Adu :pac:

BigBabyTaylor

BloodBath wrote: »

Look it was a bit of fun. There's obviously going to be some deviation in those numbers. If you're going to nit pick every little thing you disagree with don't bother.

It was a simple game for people to take their mind off of this bull**** Moyes topic that most of us agree on.

How would you spend 165M for transfers and 1M a week wages.

CR7

irishfeen

Headshot wrote: »

He wouldn't say or need to say it under fergie

As I said earlier - everything at United stays behind closed doors... he choose to break that long held rule and he does look like a prat for doing so... if I were Moyes I would fcuk him right out of it on front of his team mates.

LiamoSail

mitosis wrote: »

Really. For what likes to call itself the biggest club in the world (it's not, but that doesn't stop them)?

Reputation is irrelevant if you haven't the quality in the squad. The minimum for the club should obviously be top 4, but reputation alone is irrelevant to that aim

Kaizersoze81

No

Publicly Fergie is backing moyes. Privately I'd say he is regretting it big time. I think they're holding on till the summer so they can cancel his contract based on poor performance , rather than sack him now and lose £25m

bmcc10

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

People are insulting Giles but Ferguson backs Moyes too.

So I'd like to know do people think Fergie is 'thick', a 'dinosaur', 'a fool'?

Don't forget who chose Moyes and who in his retirement speech asked for fans to get behind him.

I highly doubt Fergie expected it to be this bad, He's hardly gonna come out and criticise Moyes now is he.

TheTownie

No

A former manager backing another manager to be given time is no surprise regardless of how bat shít crazy Giles sounds.

The Gibzilla

No

Who do people think could replace Moyes?

BTW I don't mean that in the sense that Moyes is irreplaceable! But, who would be viable candidates for the job?

Headshot

No

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

People are insulting Giles but Ferguson backs Moyes too.

So I'd like to know do people think Fergie is 'thick', a 'dinosaur', 'a fool'?

Don't forget who chose Moyes and who in his retirement speech asked for fans to get behind him.

What rubbish from you again. Reminds me of you backing Hodgson at pool. You were right then too...

bmcc10

The Gibzilla wrote: »

Who do people think could replace Moyes?

BTW I don't mean that in the sense that Moyes is irreplaceable! But, who would be viable candidates for the job?

Trap, We'd create more chances.

Mr.Nice Guy

Headshot wrote: »

What rubbish from you again. Reminds me of you backing Hodgson at pool. You were right then too...

I note you didn't answer my question. I'll ignore the personal remarks.

Pro. F

No

Your Airbag wrote: »

1. We were talking about giving a fcuk and heart, you mention underpreforming again though. There is a big difference between underperforming wether it be due to lack of confidence or tactics and not giving a toss.

Players should always care and have a good workrate whether they or the team is playing well or not. If you do that the team will get more breaks and start to improve. Players not giving a toss has dropped us lots of points.

Evra seems to not care, late on to Cardiff and Fulham. Clev didn't give a toss to track the player he gifted the ball to last night and he scored, I could go on and on.

Moyes can't force a player to give a sh1t.

I agree there is a difference between not trying and under performing. However, I think that under performing can be mistaken for not trying and I think that is what is happening here.

When a manager trains a team badly and sends them out with poor tactics based on an inappropriate strategy, I think the poor performances that result can look like the players aren't trying. You don't agree, that's fair enough.

We agree on very little in football matters and we have discussed this topic and others closely related to it at length before, we've both had our say again now. We still don't agree. Probably best to leave it there.

Your Airbag wrote: »

2. That point is typically you and lol'worthy. So your reply to me asking "who is now making the excuse the players don't give a toss becasue they now know Moyes is gone in the summer" is to point out a post I thanked?

A post that starts of by saying the buck stops with the manager, the part you bolded in a desperate attempt to make a bs point, here is the full post which agrees with what I was saying

Please, if your going to quote and reply to me don't make up stuff I never said and selectively highlight parts of a post i thanked. Its poor form.

I never said or held the opinion or made the excuse that the players don't give a toss because they know Moyes will be gone in the summer. I have been saying some don't care for a while now.

I won't hold my breath for an apology, given how poorly you tired to move the goal posts just then all i expect is the further straw manning and willingness to drag this argument to its death whilst displaying you usual need to get in the last word as always.

That is not the post that I linked you to.

I did not bold any part of the post. Boards does not allow you to edit other poster's posts.

I did not say that you, or anybody, said that the players don't give a toss because they know Moyes will be gone in the summer.

Its All Wright

Van Persie has to go, should be dropped for the next few games. Same with Ferdinand or whoever else is spouting off. Moyes needs to get tough, show whose boss & get that fear factor. Way too soft so far

The Gibzilla

No

bmcc10 wrote: »

Trap, We'd create more chances.

Hopefully he could convince Paul Green to join, just what the midfield needs.

Courtesy Flush

No

Fergie would not tolerate RVP critising the team like that, no way

bmcc10

The Gibzilla wrote: »

Hopefully he could convince Paul Green to join, just what the midfield needs.

I'd take him over TC23 with his continental spanish style

Richard Hillman

No

Giles went crazy at somebody daring to question him. Usually he splurts out his ultra-conservative logic and the guy at the end fawns all over him.

Sadlier will have 10 missed calls Eamon when he gets off the set.

Lord TSC

No

Courtesy Flush wrote: »

Fergie would not tolerate RVP critising the team like that, no way

RVP would never have dared criticise Fergie.

NukaCola

No

BloodBath wrote: »

Just crunching some numbers on players who are leaving and are likely to be leaving in the summer. That's a lot of money freed up. The rough 65m in sales to add to the 100m available for transfers + around 1M a week to spend on wages.

Current Squad
PLAYER|SALARY|SALE VALUE
Ben Amos| £10k
Darren Fletcher|£80k|4
Anders Lindegaard|£40k
Ryan Giggs|£75k
Patrice Evra|£90k
Rio Ferdinand|£100k
Nemanja Vidic|£120k
Juan Mata|£130k
Nick Powell|£5k
Chris Smalling|£50k
Jonny Evans|£65k
Rafael da Silva|£50k
Michael Carrick|£80k
Marouane Fellaini|£125k
Ashley Young|£90k|14M
Antonio Valencia|£70k|16M
Anderson|£75k|5M
Nani|£90k|16M
Wilfried Zaha|£35k
Adnan Januzaj|£40K – £50K
Tom Cleverley|£40k
David de Gea|£70k
Danny Welbeck|£75k
Phil Jones|£50k
Javier Hernandez|£75k|16M
Shinji Kagawa|£80k
Wayne Rooney|£300k
Robin van Persie|£200k
Alexander Buttner|£15k
SALARY SAVED|865k
SALES TOTAL|65M



So taking 165M for transfers with 1M a week in wages who would you sign to replace the ones leaving? Get your fantasy football boots on.

Absolutely ridiculous prices........be doing very well to get half those figures.

Liam O

Wrote this for the should he be sacked thread, it's not going to waste

I really think there are so many things wrong with how it is currently and a huge chunk of it's down to Fergie's mismanagement the last few seasons. Moyes was brought into the champions in July. He can't have expected that he'd need a new left back, 2 new CMs, creative players and possibly a right back. But that's how it was. I think he was hoping some would step up and give him more time to find the right targets but that didn't happen. I think something as simple as the Coentrao signing going through would have changed a lot. It's hunger that the team lacks and Evra being the main culprit of this a new left back would have done a lot.

Moyes made a lot of good early moves with the existing squad too early on. Promoting Januzaj even if he's not yet ready to be relied on, getting Nani a new deal and keeping Rooney. I was very happy at that. With the addition of Fellaini I was overall pretty happy with how it had turned out.

What's happened since has been inexplicable to me. Nani and Kagawa rotting while Valencia and Young (tempted to put Januzaj too) get game time not based at all on merit and persistence with tactics that clearly weren't working. I think a lot of this is down to Fergie's lack of tactical cohesion the last few seasons. Players being too far away from each other and not knowing what each other were doing all the time. Relying on RvP, Rooney, Nani, Berbatov etc. to produce a moment of individual magic to scrape a 1 goal win was all too common really.

The Moyes system seems to be a continuation of that but without as much defensive stability with all the rotation and decline of Rio and Vidic along with nobody being at the elite level consistently that Fergie always seemed to have in at least 1 of the aforementioned players. Bad team selections among other things have plummeted opinion of him.

I do think there's light at the end of the tunnel. I trust in Moyes to put in the work regarding transfers and identify the right players. If they come or not we will see but then he'll have no excuse for poor tactics. If he gets in the 3 or 4 minimum players needed and doesn't switch tactics, even to what he showed at Everton in the last few seasons then I'll be the first to call for his head. I'm not close to that stage yet as I think there's a lot of other factors rather than his ability as a manager to consider when looking at this travesty of a season.

Vic Vinegar

Interesting having a pole in the thread but i suspect a lot of the "no" votes are non-United supporters.

bmcc10

Courtesy Flush wrote: »

Fergie would not tolerate RVP critising the team like that, no way

Fergie was in a much better posistion to not have to tolerate it with great players he was respected, If Moyes shut RVP out or looked to sell it would be a complete mess

Demosthenese

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

RVP would never have dared criticise Fergie.

RVP also basically critisised his teammates for occupying his own space! Craziness to allow that sort of comments to go unabaded. Big test for Moyes now to see if he can handle this - if he were to drop RVP for this, he risks completely losing the dressingroom. Could be his last stand.

Lord TSC

No

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Interesting having a pole in the thread but i suspect a lot of the "no" votes are non-United supporters.

Yeah, unless we can limit it to United fans only, it's utterly pointless....

BloodBath

No

NukaCola wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous prices........be doing very well to get half those figures.

Oh piss off. They are far from ridiculous. You know nothing about the market value of players.

Nuri Sahin

NukaCola wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous prices........be doing very well to get half those figures.

16M for a near 29 year old Antonio Valencia is value!!!

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Interesting having a pole in the thread but i suspect a lot of the "no" votes are non-United supporters.

To be fair, my no vote was for Shinji's sake! Moyes stays, Shinji is more likely to go! :pac:

BigBabyTaylor

BloodBath wrote: »

Oh piss off. They are far from ridiculous. You know nothing about the market value of players.

Why doesnt he? Because he thinks (as others seem to) that you have overvalued most of the players you mentioned? Who made you the king of transfers

The Gibzilla

No

Demosthenese wrote: »

RVP also basically critisised his teammates for occupying his own space! Craziness to allow that sort of comments to go unabaded. Big test for Moyes now to see if he can handle this - if he were to drop RVP for this, he risks completely losing the dressingroom. Could be his last stand.

I think he's lost the dressing room already. There's no desire out there at all. Look at Cleverly, in a World Cup year - when he should be busting a gut to try and get to Brazil - he has looked far below average, completely disinterested and regressed altogether.
The Ferdinand Tweets, Anderson interview, Hernadez Instagram quote and now RVP's statement suggests that the United dressing room has a poisonous atmosphere at the moment.

irishfeen

Its All Wright wrote: »

Van Persie has to go, should be dropped for the next few games. Same with Ferdinand or whoever else is spouting off. Moyes needs to get tough, show whose boss & get that fear factor. Way too soft so far

That's exactly what I would do too - Ferdinand especially I would push aside totally... he has lost total interest and is a major liability on and off the pitch... which is a sad thing to say about the guy.

Your Airbag

BloodBath wrote: »

Just crunching some numbers on players who are leaving and are likely to be leaving in the summer. That's a lot of money freed up. The rough 65m in sales to add to the 100m available for transfers + around 1M a week to spend on wages.



So taking 165M for transfers with 1M a week in wages who would you sign to replace the ones leaving? Get your fantasy football boots on.

You have Nani, Fletch and Chico on the sale list and not Cleverly?

Blatter

No

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

People are insulting Giles but Ferguson backs Moyes too.

So I'd like to know do people think Fergie is 'thick', a 'dinosaur', 'a fool'?

Don't forget who chose Moyes and who in his retirement speech asked for fans to get behind him.

Any evidence/quotes from the last few weeks that indicate Ferguson still has faith in Moyes?

_Kaiser_

No

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Interesting having a pole in the thread but i suspect a lot of the "no" votes are non-United supporters.

Nope... Pool fan, voted Yes

Moyes is completely out of his depth and should go not just for the sake of Utd, but the league.

mewe

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

RVP would never have dared criticise Fergie.

Damn right. He would've got sixteen slaps to the head!

onemorechance

BloodBath wrote: »

Oh piss off. They are far from ridiculous. You know nothing about the market value of players.

No team would pay 14 and 16 for Young and Valencia. The last couple of seasons have decimated their value. Halve it and I reckon it's about right.

Headshot

No

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I note you didn't answer my question. I'll ignore the personal remarks.

You poor thing, you get all upset and make up some fake outrage about personal remarks.

Your post is quite stupid. Your a typical fan I hate, never seen any mistakes Fergie has done. He is human and has made numerous mistakes at utd. You honestly think he would seen this utd team have its worse start since the PL started? Playing some of the worse football the club since the PL started?

You honestly believe Fergie still has faith with Moyes now?

BloodBath

No

BigBabyTaylor wrote: »

Why doesnt he? Because he thinks (as others seem to) that you have overvalued most of the players you mentioned? Who made you king of the transfer market

Ok those sale prices are in Euro. I forgot to convert them but even at that they will be only slightly less so say £50M for the lot.

You need to spend £30m+ these days for a good player. 1/3 of that for those players is not unreasonable.