Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

mewe

No

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Yep.

There is nothing wrong with Evra going forward, he's quite effective actually and links up so well with Adnan, but his desire to track back is so bad that I would be screaming at him if he was playing 5-a-side with me on Tuesday nights, so in the Premier League it's not nearly good enough.

Valencia will cross and make chances, but his transition play in moving from defence to attack is maybe the worst I've ever seen. He dwells on the ball so long that the other team can get back, get organised, and have a little meeting to discuss what to do if a variety of scenarios occur, then he just drills it low.

I feel like Meg Ryan in When Harry Met Sally, saying "YES YES YES", after reading that.

Rayne Wooney

Didn't realise there are premier league games this weekend

Could be 14 point off 4th by this time tomorrow, madness

mewe

No

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Didn't realise there are premier league games this weekend

Could be 14 point off 4th by this time tomorrow, madness

It's a disgrace Bill!!!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mewe wrote: »

It's a disgrace Bill Joe!!!

fyp - Bill won't actually do anything to help.

mike65

Interesting way to fill the hours next season

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/28/manchester-united-lucrative-friendlies-champions-league-europa-league

J. Marston

No

Who needs the Champions League? Mid-season friendlies against Abu Dhabi FC, that's where the real glory is.

user2011

No

Sweet music to my ears, planning for no EL.

United are working on a loss of around £20m for failure to play in either of Uefa's club competitions and believe playing friendlies overseas during the gap in their schedule will help recoup a sizeable proportion of this.

So umm start betting against United, if you haven't already? :pac:

Rubber_Soul

No

Raphael Honigstein, who imo is very reliable, says Moyes has completely lost the dressing room.

http://espnfc.com/video/espnfc/video/_/id/1732111?cc=5739

The_Kew_Tour

No

No **** Sherlock:pac::pac:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mike65 wrote: »

Interesting way to fill the hours next season

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/28/manchester-united-lucrative-friendlies-champions-league-europa-league

I think that would piss me off even more if I was a player.

J. Marston

No

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Raphael Honigstein, who imo is very reliable, says Moyes has completely lost the dressing room.

http://espnfc.com/video/espnfc/video/_/id/1732111?cc=5739

Good stuff. Only a matter of time now.

StarshipPooper

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Raphael Honigstein, who imo is very reliable, says Moyes has completely lost the dressing room.

http://espnfc.com/video/espnfc/video/_/id/1732111?cc=5739

Haha I could have went on ESPN and told them that for half the price yer man did!

Not a dig at you starship by the way, just seems everything Raphael mentioned is unfortunately quite evident for all to see, barring his apparent insider knowledge of course.

Usually a rising situation will always be much worse than those who are trying to control it will let on it is publically, for many reasons right or wrong. But something is seriously bubbling within the inner sanctum of Old Trafford and I honestly feel that every game is a 'must win' for Moyes now.

I know it always was a 'must win' scenario ideally for us the fans, but now I think David Moyes must win each match to save his own skin. He is out there on the limbest of limbs, with some heavy fixtures ahead, and he has absolutely no significant good to fall back on and shine a light on positive areas to argue his case should we lose the bulk of them. His work off the field cannot be denied, securing Fellaini, Mata, Rooney, Januzaj and Nani to contracts (but then subsequently 'disappearing' Nani) and he obviously puts serious effort into first-hand scouting of potential targets.

However on the field, there is nothing to fall back on. Not even the ability to say 'well at least he has us beating the teams we should be beating anyway'. That's why I feel going into March now, that this is the turning point. As in he will either save his job until the summer at least, or home defeats in any 2 of the Olympiakos, City and Liverpool matches could see Ryan Giggs (or any interim 'manager') in charge until the summer.

If it is true that he has completely lost the dressing room though, I can't see any way back for him.

Red Crow

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Raphael Honigstein, who imo is very reliable, says Moyes has completely lost the dressing room.

http://espnfc.com/video/espnfc/video/_/id/1732111?cc=5739

Honigstein has zero insight into United. He always spouts sh1te about us anyway.

keith16

J. Marston wrote: »

Who needs the Champions League? Mid-season friendlies against Abu Dhabi FC, that's where the real glory is.

This is absolutely disgraceful if true. The club should be focussing on getting back into the champions league, not whoring themselves out to the highest bidders. :mad:

Agueroooo

keith16 wrote: »

This is absolutely disgraceful if true. The club should be focussing on getting back into the champions league, not whoring themselves out to the highest bidders. :mad:

I dont hear you complain when the same commercial team land deals in the 100's of millions.

Cant have it both ways im afraid.

Will I Amnt

No

Agueroooo wrote: »

I dont hear you complain when the same commercial team land deals in the 100's of millions.

Cant have it both ways im afraid.

What has that got to do with on the pitch performances?

tallaghtmick

No

Agueroooo wrote: »

I dont hear you complain when the same commercial team land deals in the 100's of millions.

Cant have it both ways im afraid.

We shouldnt be flying half way around the world for money, the players should rest, commercial deals are completley different.

Agueroooo

tallaghtmick wrote: »

We shouldnt be flying half way around the world for money, the players should rest, commercial deals are completley different.

Playing this game could have been a caveat of one of those whopper commercial deals.

Doubt if its something that has just on offer.

Will I Amnt

No

Agueroooo wrote: »

Playing this game could have been a caveat of one of those whopper commercial deals.

Doubt if its something that has just on offer.

Hardly, I doubt people were thinking United would be free midweek to play friendlies.

beno619

No

Agueroooo wrote: »

Playing this game could have been a caveat of one of those whopper commercial deals.

Doubt if its something that has just on offer.

Not sure where your getting that notion from, the story is about recovering lost CL revenue though these friendlies.
Why would that have anything to do with commercial deals made other the post few years ?

Very poor attempt at putting a negative spin on our commercial business which is still league's ahead of everyone else.

bucketybuck

No

stankratz wrote: »

His work off the field cannot be denied

Oh, it can be denied all right.

DARK-KNIGHT

No

Moyes out

Nalz

No

Agueroooo wrote: »

I dont hear you complain when the same commercial team land deals in the 100's of millions.

Cant have it both ways im afraid.

There's a difference to gaining great sponsorship deals and doing the odd tv advert to going out to the middle\far east during the season to play games

shadowcomplex

No

would this work or would it be too attack minded, from midfield up

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keith16

shadowcomplex wrote: »

would this work or would it be too attack minded, from midfield up

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Fabregas

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Kroos and Fabregas won't be playing for united anytime soon.

Thecon21

No

shadowcomplex wrote: »

would this work or would it be too attack minded, from midfield up

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100% would not work.

No defensive minded midfielders is a no no

keith16

Agueroooo wrote: »

Playing this game could have been a caveat of one of those whopper commercial deals.

Doubt if its something that has just on offer.

I see what you are getting at and I wouldn't be a huge fan Uniteds unrelenting focus on commercialisation.

But now it would appear that aspect of the club is going to directly impact on the squad.

tallaghtmick

No

Agueroooo wrote: »

Playing this game could have been a caveat of one of those whopper commercial deals.

Doubt if its something that has just on offer.

Not a hope, when deals are made I highly doubt a game is a stipulation.

Cantona's Collars

Guus Hiddinck has confirmed that he's taking over as the Holland manager after the World Cup,Van Gaal for United anyone?

Lord TSC

No

zerks wrote: »

Guus Hiddinck has confirmed that he's taking over as the Holland manager after the World Cup,Van Gaal for United anyone?

Can he be worse than Moyes?

GSPfan

No

zerks wrote: »

Guus Hiddinck has confirmed that he's taking over as the Holland manager after the World Cup,Van Gaal for United anyone?

Miguel Delaney has a piece wrote about the prospect of life after Moyes. He has Van Gaal behind Klopp in the list. I would not be against that. Its not a long term replacement but even 2 years under Van Gaal and then possibly Guardiola or Klopp being available would be perfect.

Thecon21

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Can he be worse than Moyes?

I'm not sold on Van Gaal

Lord TSC

No

Thecon21 wrote: »

I'm not sold on Van Gaal

Hand on heart, I don't know much about him, so I really can't say if I'd like him or not (my colours are nailed firmly to the Klopp sail).

BUT....looking at his record, at least he has success at numerous top teams.

Ajax
Eredivisie: 1993–94, 1994–95, 1995–96
KNVB Cup: 1992–93
Johan Cruijff Shield: 1993, 1994, 1995
UEFA Champions League: 1994–95
UEFA Cup: 1991–92
UEFA Super Cup: 1995
Intercontinental Cup: 1995

Barcelona
La Liga: 1997–98, 1998–99
Copa del Rey: 1997–98
UEFA Super Cup: 1997

AZ
Eredivisie: 2008–09

Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2009–10
DFB-Pokal: 2009–10
DFB-Supercup: 2010

Awards and achievements
Rinus Michels Award: 2007, 2009
Dutch Sports Coach of the Year: 2009
Die Sprachwahrer des Jahres (3rd place): 2009
German Football Manager of the Year: 2010

He certainly has a stronger resume than Moyes.

EDIT: Also like this quote from recently...

"“I am a winner and craving a trophy. This is why I am sick of being a national coach. I only see the players eight times a year. I am not enjoying the job of national coach at all.

“After the World Cup I want to coach a big club again and win trophies. Otherwise I will retire.”"

Cantona's Collars

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

EDIT: Also like this quote from recently...

"“I am a winner and craving a trophy. This is why I am sick of being a national coach. I only see the players eight times a year. I am not enjoying the job of national coach at all.

“After the World Cup I want to coach a big club again and win trophies. Otherwise I will retire.”"

Makes a change from what we hear out of the mouth of our manager,"I hope,a bit of luck,we have to try,maybe".

Rubber_Soul

No

Red Crow wrote: »

Honigstein has zero insight into United. He always spouts sh1te about us anyway.

Can't say I've ever seen Honigstein spout ****e about Utd personally. The fact that no UK based journo's are reporting it if it's as bad as he makes out makes me doubt it though.

GSPfan

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Hand on heart, I don't know much about him, so I really can't say if I'd like him or not (my colours are nailed firmly to the Klopp sail).

BUT....looking at his record, at least he has success at numerous top teams.

Ajax
Eredivisie: 1993–94, 1994–95, 1995–96
KNVB Cup: 1992–93
Johan Cruijff Shield: 1993, 1994, 1995
UEFA Champions League: 1994–95
UEFA Cup: 1991–92
UEFA Super Cup: 1995
Intercontinental Cup: 1995

Barcelona
La Liga: 1997–98, 1998–99
Copa del Rey: 1997–98
UEFA Super Cup: 1997

AZ
Eredivisie: 2008–09

Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 2009–10
DFB-Pokal: 2009–10
DFB-Supercup: 2010

Awards and achievements
Rinus Michels Award: 2007, 2009
Dutch Sports Coach of the Year: 2009
Die Sprachwahrer des Jahres (3rd place): 2009
German Football Manager of the Year: 2010

He certainly has a stronger resume than Moyes.

EDIT: Also like this quote from recently...

"“I am a winner and craving a trophy. This is why I am sick of being a national coach. I only see the players eight times a year. I am not enjoying the job of national coach at all.

“After the World Cup I want to coach a big club again and win trophies. Otherwise I will retire.”"

If we assume Klopp, Simeone, and Conte are unavailable and Guardiola is only 1 year into a 3 year contract at Bayern then Van Gaal would be a reasonable option for me.

At this stage I'd rather any decent short term manager than Moyes. I love Jurgen Klopp and I would want United to move heaven and Earth for him but if it turned out to be Van Gaal I'd be pleased.

Valmont

Are Man Utd playing City at Old Trafford today?!

Rayne Wooney

Valmont wrote: »

Are Man Utd playing City at Old Trafford today?!

No thank god

Lord TSC

No

Not sure if I should be annoyed that City are about to win a trophy, or relieved we can push back that ass-kicking for a few more weeks...

yabadabado

Of the available managers Van Gaal must be one of the most experienced and has plenty of success.There really isn't much out there at the moment.

markc91

http://www.theladbible.com/articles/manchester-united-fan-writes-letter-to-moyes-demanding-he-resigns

Blatter

No

markc91 wrote: »

http://www.theladbible.com/articles/manchester-united-fan-writes-letter-to-moyes-demanding-he-resigns

What a terrible letter.

Shít like this doesn't help his cause:

But alas you got your man… Marouane Fellaini.

It worries me that you thought this guy was good enough to play for Manchester United, whilst overlooking young Ross Barkley who will undoubtedly turn out to be England’s star player of his generation. A truly world-class prospect ignored by a truly inept manager.

And demanding he resigns? Lol.

Moyes would be stupid to resign, it's up to the club to sack him.

Call Me Jimmy

The idea of grown men writing those 'letters' always gives me a chuckle, sometimes even a full blown chortle!

Augmerson

keith16 wrote: »

This is absolutely disgraceful if true. The club should be focussing on getting back into the champions league, not whoring themselves out to the highest bidders. :mad:

United should count themselves lucky that they could make big money off pre season friendlies. Some clubs would kill for that money. Even renaming the stadium for the right price should be considered.

Valmont

You're all forgetting what Ferguson told us just before he retired. It's important that we stick by our new manager. Do you think he would have said this if he thought everything was going to be rosy straight away? If Moyes is sacked then we are just like Chelsea or City one of these other clubs who have no sense of building and preserving a culture of success but just want to pay a premium for winning right now.

Just remember you are like the people holding the banners up for Ferguson to be sacked shortly after he became manager. Give it until Christmas next season and then we will know with certainty what needs to be done.

I'm with the chosen one!

Rubber_Soul

No

Valmont wrote: »

You're all forgetting what Ferguson told us just before he retired. It's important that we stick by our new manager.

How could we forget it when someone reminds us of it every other day?

GSPfan

No

Valmont wrote: »

You're all forgetting what Ferguson told us just before he retired. It's important that we stick by our new manager. Do you think he would have said this if he thought everything was going to be rosy straight away? If Moyes is sacked then we are just like Chelsea or City one of these other clubs who have no sense of building and preserving a culture of success but just want to pay a premium for winning right now.

Just remember you are like the people holding the banners up for Ferguson to be sacked shortly after he became manager. Give it until Christmas next season and then we will know with certainty what needs to be done.

I'm with the chosen one!

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

I disagree with the whole lot of it. Moyes Out.

The_Kew_Tour

No

This is been said for 1000th time here

Ferguson took over a club that was in 21st place, a pub team, full of alcos.

He took over a team in crisis. He brought a team outside the The Old Firm to European final and beat a team called Real Madrid.

Valmont

I'd rather the board forced half the team to resign tbh. They are forgetting another one of Ferguson's dictums: nobody is bigger than the club. He leaves and half of them stop bothering to put any effort in like little spoiled children. It is a good job they are paying Rooney £300,000 a week because he is doing the work of three players out there at the moment.

Cleverley couldn't even sweep the dressing room floor. He'd just sweep all the dirt sideways and backwards.

Panthro

Petition to ban Cleverley from England side doing the rounds apparently.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2570211/Petition-ban-Tom-Cleverley-England-squad-clocks-3-000-signatures-day.html