Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

bullvine

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Whatsisname wrote: »

Why is Januzaj continually being put in peoples dream line ups?

Cause hes sensational......

IamtheWalrus

bangkok wrote: »

your not serious are you?? aguero and yaya are world class...would love them both in the united team. Aguero probably my favourite non man utd player in the prem league

Top 15? Maybe.

bangkok

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Top 15? Maybe.

top 15 in the world?? aguero probably top 5 strikers in world football.... I don't include Ronaldo or messi as strikers..

tallaghtmick

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Aguero is probably the most lethal finisher in the world.

Skylinehead

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Not in the Luis Figo category though are they.

No...because they're not wingers. Aguero is one of the 3 best strikers in the world, and Toure is probably top 5 CMs.

bangkok

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Aguero is probably the most lethal finisher in the world.

your not including Ronaldo or messi though are you?

Leftist

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Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Not dream more realistic

De Gea
Raf Vertonghen Jones Shaw
Nani Carrick/Fellaini Kroos Jan
Mata
RVP

Manager Carlo Ancellotti

has moyes been sacked yet btw?

Deiseboy01

Whatsisname wrote: »

Why is Januzaj continually being put in peoples dream line ups?

Realistic not dream. Probably on potential. He has to get game time to progress to where he can get to.

Deiseboy01

bangkok wrote: »

wheres rooney?? :eek::eek::eek:

Sub

Mata a better 10. RVP a better 11. Simples.

Deiseboy01

Leftist wrote: »

has moyes been sacked yet btw?

We could get Kroos if we throw enough money at him.

Carlo would be a good call if Real stay true to form and sack their manager having not won the league or CL

Mitch Connor

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Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Sub

Mata a better 10. RVP a better 11. Simples.

RVP on the wing? Crazy mofo...

Lucas Hood

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Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Sub

Mata a better 10. RVP a better 11. Simples.

Think you mean number 9.

tallaghtmick

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bangkok wrote: »

your not including Ronaldo or messi though are you?

I am, hes a more natural finisher than both of them.

The_Kew_Tour

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Hernandez might be set for spell on sidelines. Picked up knee injury in Mexico game.

Might hear bit more later.

Mitch Connor

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The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Hernandez might be set for spell on sidelines. .

Well, yeah - all season!

The_Kew_Tour

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Mitch Connor wrote: »

Well, yeah - all season!

well you know what I mean

Mitch Connor

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Option 1 - RVP with Rooney off him.
Option 2 - Rooney with Mata off him.

Which would you go for next season, if it was a straight choice between the two?

bangkok

tallaghtmick wrote: »

I am, hes a more natural finisher than both of them.

haha that is quote of the century..... Aguero is a more natural finisher than both messi and Ronaldo...my god

Giggsy11

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Option 1 - RVP with Rooney off him.
Option 2 - Rooney with Mata off him.

Which would you go for next season, if it was a straight choice between the two?

Option 1, Rooney, Kagawa/Januzaj, Mata playing behind RVP with strong midfield to build on. All 3 players playing without fixed position and very good full backs to provide the width.

That's at least dream scenario for me as RVP, Rooney, Mata are all class and we have to find a way to fit them in. If needed we can even try different tactics like one City plays. 4-2-2-2.

Deiseboy01

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Think you mean number 9.

Yeah I did. D'oh!

You get my drift though. RVP up top.

Deiseboy01

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Option 1 - RVP with Rooney off him.
Option 2 - Rooney with Mata off him.

Which would you go for next season, if it was a straight choice between the two?

Option two. Don't like Rooney at ten. Needs to be up top or on the bench or rotated. Option two has both players in their best position, option one has only RVP in his best position

tallaghtmick

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bangkok wrote: »

haha that is quote of the century..... Aguero is a more natural finisher than both messi and Ronaldo...my god

If it was anyone else but you I would be offended but no its you, Aguero is a striker by Nature, Ronaldo is a converted Winger and Messi is not a out and out Striker, put Aguero in Spain with Barca or Real and he would get just as many as them 2.

Mikeyt086

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Whatsisname wrote: »

Why is Januzaj continually being put in peoples dream line ups?

Cause he's a total dreamboat.

And not to mention the second coming of Jesus Christ and saviour of Manchester United.

bangkok

tallaghtmick wrote: »

If it was anyone else but you I would be offended but no its you, Aguero is a striker by Nature, Ronaldo is a converted Winger and Messi is not a out and out Striker, put Aguero in Spain with Barca or Real and he would get just as many as them 2.

doesn't matter what Ronaldo is...he and messi are probably the most lethal finishers the game has ever seen and yet you think aguero is a better finisher....:eek::eek::eek:

tallaghtmick

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bangkok wrote: »

doesn't matter what Ronaldo is...he and messi are probably the most lethal finishers the game has ever seen and yet you think aguero is a better finisher....:eek::eek::eek:

Yeh I do, Messi and Ronaldo would be better all round players, are you seriously saying because they have won all the awards that they finish better, is that what you are basing it on?

Ah well Messi has won more awards than Ronaldo, he's better at heading the ball so.......

bren2001

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Yeh I do, Messi and Ronaldo would be better all round players, are you seriously saying because they have won all the awards that they finish better, is that what you are basing it on?

Ah well Messi has won more awards than Ronaldo, he's better at heading the ball so.......

I'm going to assume it is based on the fact that Messi has scored 340 goals in 409 appearances for Barca and Ronaldo 233 in 238 for Madrid.

bangkok

bren2001 wrote: »

I'm going to assume it is based on the fact that Messi has scored 340 goals in 409 appearances for Barca and Ronaldo 233 in 238 for Madrid.

Ronaldo actually has more goals than games for Madrid.....

bucketybuck

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tallaghtmick wrote: »

If it was anyone else but you I would be offended but no its you, Aguero is a striker by Nature, Ronaldo is a converted Winger and Messi is not a out and out Striker, put Aguero in Spain with Barca or Real and he would get just as many as them 2.

The goal tallies of Ronaldo and Messi are unprecedented, you simply cannot baldly claim that another player would match those totals. Stop being foolish.

Jayop

Has the big captaincy discussion already happened then?

Agueroooo

Jayop wrote: »

Has the big captaincy discussion already happened then?

surely Vidic gets stripped of it immediately?

that should be the first discussion imo

Jayop

Agueroooo wrote: »

surely Vidic gets stripped of it immediately?

that should be the first discussion imo

Was saying elsewhere that the position now must be untenable for him to keep it. I'm sure given his character that he'll give his all for the remainder of his contract but what sort of message would it send out about the club to have our captain signed elsewhere?

Mitch Connor

No

Agueroooo wrote: »

surely Vidic gets stripped of it immediately?

that should be the first discussion imo

He wasn't stripped of it when it was announced he was leaving - it was actually stated he would remain captain to the end of the season - so I don't see why him actually signing a contract with Inter would make a difference here, whether it should or not.

Personally I wouldn't play him or Rio unless required due to fitness/injury. Not out of spite - but simply because I feel we should be giving Evans, Smalling and Jones some of the remaining games to state their case for being 1st choice next season, and not at full back. We will have to buy in the summer, but who/how much could depend on how capable the 3 remaining center backs look when actually allowed a run of games at CB.

SherlockWatson

tallaghtmick wrote: »

If it was anyone else but you I would be offended but no its you, Aguero is a striker by Nature, Ronaldo is a converted Winger and Messi is not a out and out Striker, put Aguero in Spain with Barca or Real and he would get just as many as them 2.

This post makes exactly 0 sense.

IamtheWalrus

Messi is very messi. EOM.

tallaghtmick

No

bangkok wrote: »

no messi and Ronaldo score or hit the target every chance they get.... Ronaldo is widely regarded as the greatest goalscorer of all time!! I cant believe im even having this conversation

Prove that please

tallaghtmick

No

bucketybuck wrote: »

The goal tallies of Ronaldo and Messi are unprecedented, you simply cannot baldly claim that another player would match those totals. Stop being foolish.

Great tallies for great teams against weaker opposition, do you really think Ronaldo would score as many as he has for Real if he stayed at United? No he wouldnt but he would still have a unreal record just not as high.

SherlockWatson wrote: »

This post makes exactly 0 sense.

Please explain why?

bangkok

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Great tallies for great teams against weaker opposition, do you really think Ronaldo would score as many as he has for Real if he stayed at United? No he wouldnt but he would still have a unreal record just not as high.



Please explain why?

he scores in all the big games!! champions league top scorer again this season... and he scored 42 at united and he was still improving!!

bangkok

ive seen some good posts here but to say aguero is a better finisher than Ronaldo or messi tops the lot

Rayne Wooney

Considering Ronaldo scored 31 in one of his premier league seasons before his peak it's possible he could match his 40 goal seasons in Spain in the Premier League now

bangkok

and Ronaldo just became the portuguese record scorer last night

tallaghtmick

No

bangkok wrote: »

he scores in all the big games!! champions league top scorer again this season... and he scored 42 at united and he was still improving!!

So Larsson would have scored 50 a season in the prem?

And wheres this stat that says Messi and Ronaldo score or hit the target EVERY time, jesus you slag my post after another bangkok humdinger :eek:

bangkok

more often than not they hit the target...... 2 of the greatest goalscorers EVER to grace the game and you think Aguero is a better finisher?? mind boggling. I shall have no further comment on this..

tallaghtmick

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bangkok wrote: »

more often than not they hit the target...... 2 of the greatest goalscorers EVER to grace the game and you think Aguero is a better finisher?? mind boggling. I shall have no further comment on this..

More often than not is not every time, if you want to debate here dont throw statements you cant back up, at least mine has a tiny bit of validity.

A player can be a better finisher/passer/tackler, just because they dont have as many goals, assists etc does not mean he is simply worse, Real and Barca are much better teams than City and play against easier teams, like I said Messi and Ronaldo are better players but I think Aguero is the most natural finisher in the game.

Blatter

No

Moyes with a PR stunt apparently sent to season ticket holders.

tallaghtmick

No

Blatter wrote: »

Moyes with a PR stunt apparently sent to season ticket holders.

Can we send one back? :pac:

The_Kew_Tour

No

I nearly did

Nalz

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I nearly did

:rolleyes:

Pro. F

No

bangkok wrote: »

1http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/05/25/1284990/barcelona-midfielder-xavi-hails-manchester-uniteds-michael

2http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/26/arsene-wenger-michael-carrick-van-persie

1 Players complementing other players' ability is less than worthless as evidence of quality.

2 Maybe Wenger believes what he is saying there. If he does truly believe that Carrick is/was the best player in the league, or the best DCM, or perfectly suited to playing with Barca, then I disagree with him.

bangkok wrote: »

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2013/04/27/the-stats-prove-wenger-right-carrick-could-play-for-barcelona/

Looking at stats on pass accuracy, pass direction, number of tackles, etc is not going to give you enough information on a player to make statements like "he could play for Barca".

Your Airbag wrote: »

Also he was the best forward passer in Europe very recently. Some people on here are genuinely clueless.

As was pointed out when those stats came up last year, the fact that 3 centre-backs appear in that top 10, with Dante in 4th, gives an indication of why numbers of forward passes are not that useful a measure of a CM's ability.

The deeper a CM drops to escape pressing the easier it is to make forward passes, but the less they are helping their team by taking opposition markers out of the game.

Schwiiing

Anyone think we could dislodge Varane from Madrid with a decent bid (20-25m)?

Mikeyt086

No

bangkok wrote: »

ive seen some good posts here but to say aguero is a better finisher than Ronaldo or messi tops the lot

Nothing better than Reus in CM imo. :pac: