Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

bangkok

yea id love to see a vote to see how many agree with you over aguero!!! and just shows how little you know about football... messi only recently played up front for argentina...before than was always tevez and higuain

bangkok

tallaghtmick wrote: »

No I was talking about Argentina where Messi and Aguero both play up front, again with the ****e from bangkok, good luck ye clown.

do you mind me asking how old you are?

tallaghtmick

No

Ignoring the circus.....


Match tomorrow lads, line ups and score predictions?

Kess73

bangkok wrote: »

do you mind me asking how old you are?

Mod Post: Would advise you to stop fishing. Continue and you might not like what decides to take a bite.

GavRedKing

No

bangkok wrote: »

no its ok.....you said Sergio Aguero is the most natural finisher in the world ahead of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo!!!!!!!!!!!

bangkok wrote: »

and peter crouch has a better goals to game ratio than both messi and aguero at international level so by your logic he is a better finisher?! :pac:

tallaghtmick wrote: »

No I was talking about Argentina where Messi and Aguero both play up front, again with the ****e from bangkok, good luck ye clown.

Can ye ALL get back on topic please?

Its to eaerly in the weekend to be dishing out cards/bans.

Thanks.

bangkok

sorry lads....anyway off to the hawthorns tomorrow, lots of players hopefully licking wounds after the olympiacos game, good performance needed and I think they will produce. 3-0

The_Kew_Tour

No

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Ignoring the circus.....


Match tomorrow lads, line ups and score predictions?

I think we will win by odd goal

Fellaini to start

Hard to know what moyes is thinking selection wise

DARK-KNIGHT

No

Jaysus bangkok do you always have to be in the middle of it ffs...

On topic if united see themselves allowing moyes turn our team into a tough team to beat they can piss off back to the nfl and invest there...

This is manchester united we are flair abd speed not grunt and steel

tallaghtmick

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I think we will win by odd goal

Fellaini to start

Hard to know what moyes is thinking selection wise

Any injuries? Jaysus im so out of the loop lately

The_Kew_Tour

No

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Any injuries? Jaysus im so out of the loop lately

Bar Chico knee during week dont think anything new.

bangkok

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Jaysus bangkok do you always have to be in the middle of it ffs...

On topic if united see themselves allowing moyes turn our team into a tough team to beat they can piss off back to the nfl and invest there...

This is manchester united we are flair abd speed not grunt and steel

even you will agree with me over aguero<messi/Ronaldo..... good win for united tomorrow..

ericzeking

We on BT again tomorrow...jaysus if there is one positive out of getting into the Europa league it might be that we'll be playing on Sundays and be on Sky....I don't have BT, the fecking TV bill is high enough

Lord TSC

No

West Brom's form is dreadful at the moment, with 0 wins, 2 losses and 4 draws in the last six games. Ours is 2 wins, 2 losses, 2 draws.

We SHOULD win, but then we should be doing a lot this season. Reckon a draw is most likely outcome.

tallaghtmick

No

ericzeking wrote: »

We on BT again tomorrow...jaysus if there is one positive out of getting into the Europa league it might be that we'll be playing on Sundays and be on Sky....I don't have BT, the fecking TV bill is high enough

I have a ahem er eh "box" but I cant get that channel

Macca07

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Please explain how Fellaini is worth 28m? I just can't see it. As a defensive midfield player he's too slow over five yards. Doesn't get close enough to his opposition player. Fouls excessively. Is not a great passer. Does not control the tempo of the game. I'm struggling to see what he does well other than grow hair.

Are you crazy man??? Everyone knows that Fellaini doesn't grow hair. He came out of his mothers womb with that afro and it hasn't changed in his 26 years on this planet.

Macca07

BloodBath wrote: »

If city or Arsenal win the fa cup Europa spots will be given right up to 7th place. Looks like we're going to be there regardless.

The europa winners will be given a champions league spot from 2016 onwards.

Not correct. If City or Arsenal win the FA Cup, and have qualified for the CL, then the FA Cup runners-up will get the EL spot.

If it is an Arsenal vs City FA Cup final and both have quaified for the CL, it will go back to the league positions then.

Macca07

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Any injuries? Jaysus im so out of the loop lately

Evans is still out anyway, Chico picked up a bad injury for Mexico and will be out, possibly for a couple of months.

Nothing official on team news yet.

Will I Amnt

No

Remember we used to have the awards threads for posters? Whatever happened to them?
Best poster
Most improved poster
Poster most likely to be banned (this thread is reminding me of that one over the last few weeks)

tallaghtmick

No

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Remember we used to have the awards threads for posters? Whatever happened to them?
Best poster
Most improved poster
Poster most likely to be banned (this thread is reminding me of that one over the last few weeks)

How about Months? No fans are ever going to agree on anything there will always be mayhem...... Summer transfer window, Moyes in/out, Cleverley :eek: etc

Will I Amnt

No

tallaghtmick wrote: »

How about Months? No fans are ever going to agree on anything there will always be mayhem...... Summer transfer window, Moyes in/out, Cleverley :eek: etc

There's a few lads that have stepped it up recently :pac:

tallaghtmick

No

Will I Amnt wrote: »

There's a few lads that have stepped it up recently :pac:

Yeh I guess I should get best poster.......:P:P:P:P

The_Kew_Tour

No

All jokes aside whats happening to Cleverley is bad form with England.

I would love for his form to turn around or even get to a very good level if he has that in him.

Headshot

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

All jokes aside whats happening to Cleverley is bad form with England.

I would love for his form to turn around or even get to a very good level if he has that in him.

For the good of his career he needs to leave UTD. Im not one of these lads that really hate him with a passion or anything but I feel he needs to go to a smaller club that doesnt have the pressure utd brings and build up playing 90mins every game for himself and he may well turn the boo boys around

tallaghtmick

No

Headshot wrote: »

For the good of his career he needs to leave UTD. Im not one of these lads that really hate him with a passion or anything but I feel he needs to go to a smaller club that doesnt have the pressure utd brings and build up playing 90mins every game for himself and he may well turn the boo boys around

He would do well with Spurs I reckon.

Hococop

No

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Any injuries? Jaysus im so out of the loop lately

I get the feeling Moyes will say kagawa is out due to traveling time and will be jetlag

KH25

No

Cleverley's just not good enough for United. There's nothing wrong with that, he just needs to go.

NTMK

I never got the Hate for cleverley tbh. Hes a squad player and thats it. Hes not a lazy player by any means but hes probably at the peak of his ability nothing wrong with that

If you want to blame someone blame the last 6 years of management that failed to get a midfield that doesnt need play a slightly average player

As for the England team, Thats always been a ****ing mess selection wise

bullvine

No

KH25 wrote: »

Cleverley's just not good enough for United. There's nothing wrong with that, he just needs to go.

Neither is Welbeck though.. Both are approaching their mid-20's, not kids anymore..

KH25

No

NTMK wrote: »

I never got the Hate for cleverley tbh. Hes a squad player and thats it. Hes not a lazy player by any means but hes probably at the peak of his ability nothing wrong with that

If you want to blame someone blame the last 6 years of management that failed to get a midfield that doesnt need play a slightly average player

As for the England team, Thats always been a ****ing mess selection wise

He hasn't endeared himself to a lot of fans with the comments he made in the papers. I think he shot himself in the foot with them because, if anything, it just gave fans more reason to have issues with him. The TC23 crap was also ridiculous, especially considering that he was barely in the first team at the time. He's made a lot of errors of judgement which haven't exactly made his position any easier.

Personally I think it would be best for him to leave the club. United is just not his level. He's not the first player like that and he wont be the last.

bullvine wrote: »

Neither is Welbeck though.. Both are approaching their mid-20's, not kids anymore..

I agree. Welbeck's finishing is far too poor for a team like United. He gets a lot of hype because of his England form. But sure Peter Crouch had a great record for England.

kstand

No

bullvine wrote: »

Neither is Welbeck though.. Both are approaching their mid-20's, not kids anymore..

both are crap - cannot believe that Welbeck is an automatic choice for the English squad.

KH25

No

kstand wrote: »

both are crap - cannot believe that Welbeck is an automatic choice for the English squad.

They're not exactly blessed with options.

The_Kew_Tour

No

If I was Hodgson I would play as many Liverpool and Southampton english players as I can.

NTMK

KH25 wrote: »

He hasn't endeared himself to a lot of fans with the comments he made in the papers. I think he shot himself in the foot with them because, if anything, it just gave fans more reason to have issues with him. The TC23 crap was also ridiculous, especially considering that he was barely in the first team at the time. He's made a lot of errors of judgement which haven't exactly made his position any easier.

Agreed he hasnt but the Hate began well before he shot himself in the foot in the papers and is undeserving regardless of how much of a dope he can be at times (TC23)

Backstreet Moyes

tallaghtmick wrote: »

He would do well with Spurs I reckon.

Spurs have more options and better cm options than us he wouldn't have a hope of playing at Spurs.

KH25

No

NTMK wrote: »

Agreed he hasnt but the Hate began well before he shot himself in the foot in the papers and is undeserving regardless of how much of a dope he can be at times (TC23)

Not arguing with you there. I think he was a tad overhyped before he even started with the first team. People were expecting him to be the next big thing for some reason. He didn't live up to that because he just wasn't that player and fans turned on him.

tallaghtmick

No

Nuts102 wrote: »

Spurs have more options and better cm options than us he wouldn't have a hope of playing at Spurs.

Sssshhh I'm trying to sell him and get decent money :pac:

NTMK

KH25 wrote: »

Not arguing with you there. I think he was a tad overhyped before he even started with the first team. People were expecting him to be the next big thing for some reason. He didn't live up to that because he just wasn't that player and fans turned on him.

tbf he looked amazing at the start of the 11-12 season but so did everyone

i miss that style of play:(

ericzeking

Cleverley could do the Carrick role...sit, intercept, and play it simple and keep the team ticking over, his extra mobility might also mean he'd be pretty good at it.
The problem he has is we already have Carrick, Fellaini, Fletcher and Jones for that more defensive role so Cleverley is asked to do the more forward thinking stuff and be more of an all rounder...he is most likely not at a level to be effective in this role for us, not now anyway.

I mentioned a few weeks back that Cleverley could maybe do a job at full back (either side) given our issues there, I likened it to the Flamini situation years ago at Arsenal where his midfield play developed immensely by spending a year in the first team playing left back week in week out with less responsibility.

Another poster noted and it definitely rang a bell that Cleverley played left back early in his career...I tried looking that up but couldn't find anything but I'm nearly sure it was the case.

bangkok

welbeck is a good player...not prolific but def good enough. pace, power, direction good skill, can play on the wing as well

Cantona's Collars

NTMK wrote: »

I never got the Hate for cleverley tbh. Hes a squad player and thats it. Hes not a lazy player by any means but hes probably at the peak of his ability nothing wrong with that

If you want to blame someone blame the last 6 years of management that failed to get a midfield that doesnt need play a slightly average player

As for the England team, Thats always been a ****ing mess selection wise

Cleverleys best is still not United quality.I remember Rio going on about how both he & Wellbeck were doing amazing in training,it's a pity that they didn't carry it onto the field of play.
The thing is that having no decent midfield partner is making Carrick look even more limited.His passing options become even more scarce so the ball ends up being knocked long far too often than we'd like.Our play simply doesn't develop through the midfield at all.Look at how the likes of Kagawa who is a talented guy has suffered,what's the point in having an AM when the ball is constantly being knocked diagonally to the worst wingers I've had the displeasure of seeing.

The_Kew_Tour

No

zerks wrote: »

The thing is that having no decent midfield partner is making Carrick look even more limited.His passing options become even more scarce so the ball ends up being knocked long far too often than we'd like..

It's why I laugh sometimes when people blame Carrick for so much.

When he has had a half decnt performance from his paired CM he has been very good.

When he has had to cover the ass of another CM and be out of position or give a bad pass Carrick gets the blame.

Carrick ain't no world beater but when he has to do the Donkey work for 2 it's unfair on him to expect a quality standard.

NTMK

zerks wrote: »

Cleverleys best is still not United quality.I remember Rio going on about how both he & Wellbeck were doing amazing in training,it's a pity that they didn't carry it onto the field of play.
The thing is that having no decent midfield partner is making Carrick look even more limited.His passing options become even more scarce so the ball ends up being knocked long far too often than we'd like.Our play simply doesn't develop through the midfield at all.Look at how the likes of Kagawa who is a talented guy has suffered,what's the point in having an AM when the ball is constantly being knocked diagonally to the worst wingers I've had the displeasure of seeing.

Im not saying for a second that he is good enough to start but in an injury crisis he isnt a total disaster.


btw Is rafa injured?

Rayne Wooney

The problem is every time Clevs and Welbz play it makes me dislike them more, and they've played a lot, if they were 5th choice like they should be we'd only see them 5 or 6 times a season which wouldn't be hard to take.

Cantona's Collars

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It's why I laugh sometimes when people blame Carrick for so much.

When he has had a half decnt performance from his paired CM he has been very good.

When he has had to cover the ass of another CM and be out of position or give a bad pass Carrick gets the blame.

Carrick ain't no world beater but when he has to do the Donkey work for 2 it's unfair on him to expect a quality standard.

You probably have guessed that I'm no fan of Carrick,he tends to leave a lot of the work to others around him,his pass stats mask that.When up against true quality or even a half decent passing team,he can disappear.Having no quality,hard working partner exposes him even more.
I disagree that he has to cover the ass of a poor cm partner,he's not that dynamic a player to even try that.Notice how he simply bypasses the likes of Cleverley altogether as he knows that the ball will be lost and the team is under pressure again,hence the long passes that have plagued our play this season.

bangkok

danny welbeck away at real Madrid, man city was class, home to Liverpool last season I think he was class as well..... saved our bacon a few times this season as well. changed the game when he came on at half time against Norwich....

Rayne Wooney

bangkok wrote: »

danny welbeck away at real Madrid, man city was class, home to Liverpool last season I think he was class as well..... saved our bacon a few times this season as well. changed the game when he came on at half time against Norwich....

I'd say in those games he's performed to the level a United player should, the problem is the other 60 appearances he's made this season and last

Mars Bar

NTMK wrote: »

Im not saying for a second that he is good enough to start but in an injury crisis he isnt a total disaster.


btw Is rafa injured?

Rafael should be back from his concussion injury by now

beno619

No

KH25 wrote: »

I agree. Welbeck's finishing is far too poor for a team like United. He gets a lot of hype because of his England form. But sure Peter Crouch had a great record for England.

Welbeck is a good player. His finishing is poor because he's very rarely in goal scoring positions, look at RVP performances this season and Chicha they look poor with no chances.

KH25

No

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I'd say in those games he's performed to the level a United player should, the problem is the other 60 appearances he's made this season and last

That would be my problem with him too. Its great when a player performs well in a big game but it needs to be done more consistently than that. The big games alone don't win titles. At the end of the day Welbeck is a striker and for a striker his finishing is very poor. He's shown glimpses of class but never consistently enough.

KH25

No

beno619 wrote: »

Welbeck is a good player. His finishing is poor because he's very rarely in goal scoring positions, look at RVP performances this season and Chicha they look poor with no chances.

But when he does get into position he regularly messes up. He does all the hard work leading up to the chance and then fluffs it. Id trust RVP and Chicho far more than him.