Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

Saucy McKetchup

No

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Sell RVP?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10685038/David-Moyes-could-sell-Robin-van-Persie-to-make-a-statement-of-intent-about-Manchester-Uniteds-future.html

Journalist comes up with the conclusion that rvp will be sold because he was subbed off having received 1 yellow card and with a good chance of getting another therefore getting banned for the liverpool game

Brilliant!

Vic Vinegar

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Journalist comes up with the conclusion that rvp will be sold because he was subbed off having received 1 yellow card and with a good chance of getting another therefore getting banned for the liverpool game

Brilliant!

Did you actually read it?

Ketchup.

tallaghtmick

No

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

A star???. A Star???.

May i remind you that stars are bright.

Dammit owned

Oregano_State

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Journalist comes up with the conclusion that rvp will be sold because he was subbed off having received 1 yellow card and with a good chance of getting another therefore getting banned for the liverpool game

Brilliant!

Yeah he also said RVP didn't contribute despite assisting the first goal.

The journalist's reasoning may be off, but I would probably sell RVP this summer. We should still get a decent fee for him, and it will allow us to use Rooney as a striker and play Kag and Mata more, and in their preferred positions. It might also allow us to hold onto Chicharito, and instead of buying in a big-name striker, could bring back Henriquez and use him as 4th choice. Would free up more funds to get a top CM in too.

If Welbeck holds his current form until the end of the season, I wouldn't have a problem with him/Chicharito as the second striker next season. This is especially true if we stay with a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 formation.

Lord TSC

No

Welbeck is not a title winning second striker. Grand third, and in good form this season, but if RVP goes, we need another striker brought in.

RasTa

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Welbeck is not a title winning second striker. Grand third, and in good form this season, but if RVP goes, we need another striker brought in.

Maybe, it depends if he wants to move away from 4-4-2

Backstreet Moyes

Wellbeck would be banging in goals like Sturridge if playing first choice for a big club imo.

Saucy McKetchup

No

Oregano_State wrote: »

Yeah he also said RVP didn't contribute despite assisting the first goal.

The journalist's reasoning may be off, but I would probably sell RVP this summer. We should still get a decent fee for him, and it will allow us to use Rooney as a striker and play Kag and Mata more, and in their preferred positions. It might also allow us to hold onto Chicharito, and instead of buying in a big-name striker, could bring back Henriquez and use him as 4th choice. Would free up more funds to get a top CM in too.

If Welbeck holds his current form until the end of the season, I wouldn't have a problem with him/Chicharito as the second striker next season. This is especially true if we stay with a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 formation.

The poor journalism came to a conclusion that I agree with, a pacey striker with the addition if a midfielder and left back and we'd be a title contending side next season without a doubt

brinty

Lads this is a good performance and nothing more. Lets see how we are after Citeh, Olympiakos and Liverpool. WBA are in an even worse situation than we are at present. All the Pro- Moyes supporters need to check your enthusiasm until those matches are done. Going out to Olympiakos in CL and lose those 2 league games and the pressure is right back on him.
I've said all along that I'll give him time if there's something discernible to see in his team set up and style of play if results are going badly (we've seen some good performances in the league but its against Palace and WBA). If we see the return of Young, Valencia and Cleverly in the next game, when that style of play clearly doesn't work then I'm afraid Mr Moyes is on borrowed time. Setting his team up defensively is not acceptable for our club.
We're Manchester United
Attack
Attack
Attack

brinty

Lads hate to harp on here on this but would it be worth trying to get (heaven forgive me for saying this) Ashley Cole if he's available on a free this summer and sign Luke Shaw too. Seems like Shaw is a big fan of Cole's so I think we'd have a great chance to get him if Cole was at the club!!!! Imagine those two as LB cover for next season We'd have a solid defensive LB in Cole and a prodigious talent in Shaw.

Whatsisname

No

@ManUtd wrote:

Moyes on Kagawa: "We have competition for places with Adnan and Mata, but Shinji will play a lot more from now until the end of the season."

AMEN BROTHERS

beno619

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Welbeck is not a title winning second striker. Grand third, and in good form this season, but if RVP goes, we need another striker brought in.

Is this based on him starting 20 odd games up front on the bounce for United ? There are question marks over him, Jones and Smalling the only way we will find out is by giving them a chance. I think they have shown enough in there careers so far to be given this chance.

Sturridge didnt look so great playing out wide and sitting on the bench to Chelsea.

Oregano_State

brinty wrote: »

Lads hate to harp on here on this but would it be worth trying to get (heaven forgive me for saying this) Ashley Cole if he's available on a free this summer and sign Luke Shaw too. Seems like Shaw is a big fan of Cole's so I think we'd have a great chance to get him if Cole was at the club!!!! Imagine those two as LB cover for next season We'd have a solid defensive LB in Cole and a prodigious talent in Shaw.

No.

Cole goes in the same bracket as Suarez for me: great player, but a terrible human being.

Maximus Alexander

Whatsisname wrote: »

AMEN BROTHERS

Hopefully he's not just being put in the shop window.

The_Kew_Tour

No

United should be playing without nerves now. Season is over. Let the team go out and express themselves.

We saw some of that today. Fellaini starting to show what the brings to the team. The real tests to come though.

TheTownie

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

United should be playing without nerves now. Season is over. Let the team go out and express themselves.

We saw some of that today. Fellaini starting to show what the brings to the team. The real tests to come though.

Yes, start bangin' out some Charles Wright in the dressing room to get them in the right frame of mind !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW4VZ5J0fNQ

Lord TSC

No

beno619 wrote: »

Is this based on him starting 20 odd games up front on the bounce for United ? There are question marks over him, Jones and Smalling the only way we will find out is by giving them a chance. I think they have shown enough in there careers so far to be given this chance.

Sturridge didnt look so great playing out wide and sitting on the bench to Chelsea.

I could base it on what I think is spotty finishing ability and the fact he loses the head when put in front of goal sometime, but I won't, cause he's showing this year he can be good in front of goal when given a chance.

More, I'd ask a question with a question; would you put Welbeck in the same bracket as RVP and Rooney? A second striker, to me, needs to be nearly as good as the first, cause if the first gets hurt, the second might need to lead a campaign for a season. When RVP was hurt this season, we knew we had Rooney so no major need to panic. But if we sell RVP, I would want a stronger second to Rooney than Welbeck, simply because while Welbeck shows he can be good, I've seen nothing in his years at the club to suggest he could lead a team to the top of the table.

He's not a Rooney, a RVP, an Aguero. He's good but he's simply not that good.

Likewise, I feel he doesn't change a game, he doesn't offer anything different off the bench. He's grand when he's on to kill a game off, like today, but if we were behind, would you trust Welbeck to come on, turn a game on its head and allow a new tactic to be played?

So again I'll say....if RVP goes, I feel we would definitly need a superior second striker to Welbeck.

Whatsisname

No

phil neville18 &#8207 wrote: »

@PeteBoyle70 @thebettybus next week pete want whole stadium singing clev song!!!

Christ almighty brothers

Thecon21

No

Such a refreshing performance to see today, the line up is just what I wanted to see finally! I hope we line up against Liverpool similar, put them on the back foot, try control the game. Fellaini played very well and I think he could become very important for us..

RvP looks completely disillusioned, uninterested, almost like he's just waiting on this season to be over so he can head off, could see Juventus or someone like that going for him, circa £15-18m..

ericzeking

Missed game today, came back late from training and decided to go with an Illfated attempt at streaming rather than make my way to the pub... Seems like a corner has been turned...a new dawn...next year will be our year... Looking forward to MOTD


Maybe I'm a magpie...?

Kerrydude1981

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

United should be playing without nerves now. Season is over. Let the team go out and express themselves.

We saw some of that today. Fellaini starting to show what the brings to the team. The real tests to come though.

Hopefully we can throw a few spanners in the works,starting next weekend.

beno619

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I could base it on what I think is spotty finishing ability and the fact he loses the head when put in front of goal sometime, but I won't, cause he's showing this year he can be good in front of goal when given a chance.

More, I'd ask a question with a question; would you put Welbeck in the same bracket as RVP and Rooney? A second striker, to me, needs to be nearly as good as the first, cause if the first gets hurt, the second might need to lead a campaign for a season. When RVP was hurt this season, we knew we had Rooney so no major need to panic. But if we sell RVP, I would want a stronger second to Rooney than Welbeck, simply because while Welbeck shows he can be good, I've seen nothing in his years at the club to suggest he could lead a team to the top of the table.

He's not a Rooney, a RVP, an Aguero. He's good but he's simply not that good.

Likewise, I feel he doesn't change a game, he doesn't offer anything different off the bench. He's grand when he's on to kill a game off, like today, but if we were behind, would you trust Welbeck to come on, turn a game on its head and allow a new tactic to be played?

So again I'll say....if RVP goes, I feel we would definitly need a superior second striker to Welbeck.

Sound argument, it would be a gamble.

We could go into next year with Rooney,Chicha and Welbeck or Rooney,Welbeck and a new forward. If we play the kind of football we did today there's no reason why Welbz and Chicha wont be able to score the goals we need imo.

An argument to be made that he did change the game today, with his pace and directness.

Cantona's Collars

10 man Spurs losing to Chelsea,we've a real chance of overtaking them.Top 4 is gone but we can finish the season with a bit of respectability.

Rayne Wooney

We had a good game today, against Palace and the first half against Fulham off the top of my head. Seems to be all bottom teams our tactics are effective against, which isn't a surprise.

The Liverpool game should be an indicator of where we are, what Moyes did in the game at Anfield didn't work so we'll see if he's learned anything, or from any other game against the top teams we've played where he's set up negatively.

Peter Flynt

There's nothing to be gained from a match like this.

WBA, like Palace, were just awful.

United are too slooowwwwwwww in their attacks. Fellaini is waltzing around the pitch as if he's on a stroll and he was in central midfield.

No standards are being set.

xtal191

No

Hococop

No

Chelsea beating spurs so its good for us we might take 5th ( I know its still poor but let's think positive)

tallaghtmick

No

Peter Flynt wrote: »

There's nothing to be gained from a match like this.

WBA, like Palace, were just awful.

United are too slooowwwwwwww in their attacks. Fellaini is waltzing around the pitch as if he's on a stroll and he was in central midfield.

No standards are being set.

Even though Welbecks goal was pure sexy.

Cantona's Collars

Peter Flynt wrote: »

There's nothing to be gained from a match like this.

WBA, like Palace, were just awful.

United are too slooowwwwwwww in their attacks. Fellaini is waltzing around the pitch as if he's on a stroll and he was in central midfield.

No standards are being set.

Even if he had been going around on crutches today he was more mobile than anything previous.He actually laid off the ball & moved into space unlike a certain other player.

Cantona's Collars

Marouane Fellaini had 98 touches, the most in the game. Won 4 successful aerial-duels and made 5 interceptions, more than any other player.

Peter Flynt

Hococop wrote: »

Chelsea beating spurs so its good for us we might take 5th ( I know its still poor but let's think positive)

Seems to me that the manager MUFC should have appointed has the team who did appoint him 7 points clear at the top with ten games left. . . . and on their way to a third league title under him.

Of course. . Moyes needs time.

Will I Amnt

No

You can always rely on certain people to pop in and tell us not to be any way happy about a result. Tiresome stuff at this stage.

Rubber_Soul

No

Whatsisname wrote: »

Christ almighty brothers

Sad that it even has to be said, sums up an awful lot of the clubs "supporters".

tallaghtmick

No

Will I Amnt wrote: »

You can always rely on certain people to pop in and tell us not to be any way happy about a result. Tiresome stuff at this stage.

3-0 away from home is just awful likeeeee.

The_Kew_Tour

No

2 decent away results. It seems its at home is the real problem.

Arsenal and Liverpool dropped points here and City only won 3-2 at Hawtorns, so its not bad result and performance.

You have to give credit where its due too.

Every point dropped is same, but that defeat to Stoke and Draw to Fulham are the real killers. Extra 5 points now and we might be thinking different.

Whats done is done, and we are where we are, because thats where at this minute we deserve to be.

Rayne Wooney

Arsenal are the real 4th place team I think and they have Spurs, City, Everton and Chelsea coming up in that order.

whatever little chance there is of making up those 11 points, we can cling on to until it's mathematically impossible.

You couldn't ask for a better last 7 games for us, a top Fergie team would be expecting 21 points from them.

RasTa

No

They also look happy or just relieved

The_Kew_Tour

No

That was a terrific finish by Welbeck.

More of the same please

Cantona's Collars

thelad95

No

Good performance but it really felt like one of those games towards the end of the season where there is nothing to play for and a lot less pressure on the players. Fellaini was immense and I was glad to see one or two moves attempted through the middle, with one of them resulting in Welbeck's goal.

Judging by Van Persie's general demeanour, I think he wants out. It's well documented that one of the reasons he came to United was to play with Fergie and now he's gone, it's understandable, given his fickle nature, why he may be a bit discontent. In saying that, he put in a decent shift today.

Deiseboy01

zerks wrote: »

Marouane Fellaini had 98 touches, the most in the game. Won 4 successful aerial-duels and made 5 interceptions, more than any other player.

You can prove anything with statistics!!

Cantona's Collars

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

You can prove anything with statistics!!

I watched the game,his play backed them up,it's easy to have high passing stats when you spend 90 minutes passing it 5 yards sideways or backwards.He added mobility to our midfield,the only problem was early in the game when he moved forward,Carrick hadn't the speed or mobility to cover for him when WBA broke through the middle.That would be ruthlessly exposed by the likes of Liverpool who attack with speed.Nevertheless it was refreshing to see a midfield that didn't resemble stop motion animation.
If I see Young & Valencia start next weekend I'll crack up.Time to be brave & go out to win all our games instead of trying not to lose.

Nalz

No

Nuts102 wrote: »

Wellbeck would be banging in goals like Sturridge if playing first choice for a big club imo.

He's better than Sturridge in some ways but not as clinical I think

Nalz

No

zerks wrote: »

If I see Young & Valencia start next weekend I'll crack up.Time to be brave & go out to win all our games instead of trying not to lose.

I agree with you but in fairness to Young he has upped it a bit whereas for Tony V, well he's gone down hill rapido style

n32

zerks wrote: »

If I see Young & Valencia start next weekend I'll crack up.Time to be brave & go out to win all our games instead of trying not to lose.

Isnt it ironic that by playing it safe and trying not to lose he picks Young and Valencia and 90% of the time we like a conference team and lose anyway! When will the penny drop that we are most effective with;
Carrick Fellaini
Mata Rooney Januzaj
RVP
but instead our big game lineup is more often than not;

Valencia Cleverley Carrick Young
RVP Rooney

Madness.

yomtea98

No

Rvp should be dropped

n32

yomtea98 wrote: »

Rvp should be dropped

on todays evidence he should

Rayne Wooney

If he was dropped for the Liverpool game and we lose the knives would be out for Moyes

I agree though, the team would be better at the moment with Rooney up top and Kagawa behind

beno619

No

yomtea98 wrote: »

Rvp should be dropped

Still dont think Moyes will have the bottle.

A win next week and I think he'll get a lot of people back onside, heck more positive line ups and play towards the end of the season and I dont think anyone would begrudge a 2nd season.

He has made this job much harder than it needed to be but there could be light at the end of the tunnel if a switch was finally flipped today.

titan18

No

Fellaini was good today alright.

I am dreading the next 3 games though