Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

Saucy McKetchup

No

Its All Wright wrote: »

Irish people as a whole are glory hunters otherwise we would support our domestic league rather than a big succesful league like the EPL. Ive seen a huge increase in Man City & Chelsea supporters in Ireland in recent years. You never see an Irish person supporting Norwich City so i for one accept the glory hunter tag

Exactly

Its All Wright

Its All Wright wrote: »

Irish people as a whole are glory hunters otherwise we would support our domestic league rather than a big succesful league like the EPL. Ive seen a huge increase in Man City & Chelsea supporters in Ireland in recent years. You never see an Irish person supporting Norwich City so i for one accept the glory hunter tag

I just follow who my dad followed, same as most people I know. City and Chelsea are fairly irrelevant to the discussion because I'm pretty sure most people who are giving out about the direction of United right now have been fans of them since before they had a choice. It's a ridiculous term to throw around. Also a good proportion of the same "moaners" saw what many saw last season, massive weaknesses in the United squad that were covered by the implosion of a few other clubs last season and of course Fergie. Those same fans were told to shut up last season, same as they are this season.
As I said, it suits me just fine but I've had to put up with the smug-as-**** "shut up and support the team" rubbish as an Arsenal fan for a good while so I know how frustrating it can be fore someone who would like a club to show some ambition.

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Here's an interesting article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/82277-are-you-a-glory-hunter

You've got your own words, use them.

beno619

No

Its All Wright wrote: »

A lot can happen over the 14 remaining games, people have short memories..a lot of so called United fans have really shown their true colors this season. So used to success and winning but as soon as the team hits a really bed spell they throw their toys out of the pram and write the team off. Disgusts me to see fellow fans behave like this

Rubbish, its called being realistic. The amount of times I have called Arsenal & Liverpool fans deluded over the years for similarly ridiculous statements. Its time for us United fans to eat some humble pie, we've had it good for a long long time.

Based on the past 5 months of football there's not a hope of us finishing 4th id be delighted if we did but you would have to be deluded if you think we will get 4th.

We certainly dont deserve to play CL football next year our football is among the worst in the league.

If we're all glory-hunters then it's irrelevant so how about moving the conversation on from that?

adox

No

Its All Wright wrote: »

A lot can happen over the 14 remaining games, people have short memories..a lot of so called United fans have really shown their true colors this season. So used to success and winning but as soon as the team hits a really bed spell they throw their toys out of the pram and write the team off. Disgusts me to see fellow fans behave like this

Loltastic.


There's a pair of yis in it and yis are gas.



Embarrassing.

Danger781

No

Deleted User wrote: »

I just follow who my dad followed, same as most people I know.

I've a funny story about how I started following United.

I remember when I was young, I sat down next to my Dad one night while he was watching a match. I had never taken an interest in soccer at any point until then. He was watching an Everton game (He's an Everton fan) so I asked him who they were playing because I was going to support them. I don't know why I chose to do that. Probably to wreck his head even at a young age.

Turns out it was Manchester United.

:rolleyes:

goodolegill

No

I'm sick of this glory hunter tag - the reason why i feel people my age are United Fans

iSky comes in at the start of the Premier League therefore restricting the amount of live football on tv.
So the only live games available were FA cup weekends or the Champions League games
And coming home from school starved of live football as a child, the music, atmosphere and night games was magical.

This was a time when only one team ever qualified, looking forward in the playground to seeing Goterberg
It was their success in winning the league that mean they was only one show in town as an english team in the CL

I also think the World cup of 94 with ireland's qualification brought soccer more to the forefront

BloodBath

No

The prices were taken online. I don't have a clue what they are worth. Does anyone? It's down to what anyones willing to pay at the end of the day and the prices are only estimates.

Its All Wright

beno619 wrote: »

Rubbish, its called being realistic. The amount of times I have called Arsenal & Liverpool fans deluded over the years for similarly ridiculous statements. Its time for us United fans to eat some humble pie, we've had it good for a long long time.

Based on the past 5 months of football there's not a hope of us finishing 4th id be delighted if we did but you would have to be deluded if you think we will get 4th.

We certainly dont deserve to play CL football next year our football is among the worst in the league.

Arsenal didnt think they would finish 4th last season when they went 7 points behind Spurs in March last season. The same position we are in a month earlier, the performances need to improve but to rule United out of 4th on February 2nd is laughable

Maximus Alexander

I support United because when I was about 6 or 7 I asked my dad who he supported and he said United. Naturally, being a young boy, I just copied him and threw myself into it. Got a jersey, watched all the matches, posters on the walls. Never looked back.

Much later I found out he never supported United, had no interest in football since he was about 20, and before that had supported Arsenal. :pac:

Said he told me he supported United because he "knew I was going to support whoever he said, so picked someone good".

Danger781

No

Tom 'sideways' Cleverley

Blue = Completed pass
Red = Failed

Danger781

Danger781 wrote: »

Tom 'sideways' Cleverley

Blue = Completed pass
Red = Failed

That really is an amazing illustration of the player.

Chazz Michael Michaels

BloodBath wrote: »

The prices were taken online. I don't have a clue what they are worth. Does anyone? It's down to what anyones willing to pay at the end of the day and the prices are only estimates.

So, 80m for Bale, but 30m for Pogba?

You didn't see that as odd?

Lord TSC

No

Never had much of a choice with United :P Parents were big fans, and had me dressed in the colours as a baby, had my room wallpapered with the crest. Never stood a chance :P

IamtheWalrus

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Parents were big fans

Parents support successful teams too. If one was to start following the Spanish league, would you support any one other than the big two? What's the point?

Chazz Michael Michaels

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Parents support successful teams too. If one was to start following the Spanish league, would you support any one other than the big two? What's the point?

1) Is football only about trophies?
2) Athletico?

GSPfan

No

Have people seen this jersey doing the rounds? Supposed to be next years jersey. Don't know how to post pics from phone so if someone wants to repost it feel free.

beno619

No

Its All Wright wrote: »

Arsenal didnt think they would finish 4th last season when they went 7 points behind Spurs in March last season. The same position we are in a month earlier, the performances need to improve but to rule United out of 4th on February 2nd is laughable

Arsenal up to that point we not playing some of the worst football in the league and had a much narrower gap to close and im going to guess an easier run in.

yabadabado

beno619 wrote: »

Arsenal up to that point we not playing some of the worst football in the league and had a much narrower gap to close and im going to guess an easier run in.

7 points

BloodBath

No

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

So, 80m for Bale, but 30m for Pogba?

You didn't see that as odd?

Bale clearly isn't worth 80m. Real's splurges don't count as market value.

Chazz Michael Michaels

BloodBath wrote: »

Bale clearly isn't worth 80m. Real's splurges don't count as market value.

Sure. The worlds hottest talent at 20. £30m. It was said before. L. O. L.

yabadabado

BloodBath wrote: »

Bale clearly isn't worth 80m. Real's splurges don't count as market value.

Real are a different breed for sure but you have Pogba and Reus at 30m and then list :Nani - 14m,Valencia - 14m,Young - 12.5m,Cleverly - 12.5m.

That is no way realistic,be lucky to get 25m for those 4 combined.

Its All Wright

beno619 wrote: »

Arsenal up to that point we not playing some of the worst football in the league and had a much narrower gap to close and im going to guess an easier run in.

Were not playing some of the worst football in the league.
Arsenal were 7 points of 4th with less games to play.
Arsenal didnt have an easy run in.

Teams drop points just like Spurs did yesterday and Liverpool done today. There is 14 games to be played, 42 points to play for and anything can happen in football

Saucy McKetchup

No

GSPfan wrote: »

Have people seen this jersey doing the rounds? Supposed to be next years jersey. Don't know how to post pics from phone so if someone wants to repost it feel free.

That's a fake, was doing the rounds this time last year too

beno619

No

yabadabado wrote: »

7 points

My Bad. Everton also might have a say.

Vic Vinegar

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

That's a fake, was doing the rounds this time last year too

It's a shame, that is a nice shirt!

beno619

No

Its All Wright wrote: »

Were not playing some of the worst football in the league.

I would disagree, Arsenal played great football last season but were leaky at the back for the first 6 months.


Teams drop points just like Spurs did yesterday and Liverpool done today. There is 14 games to be played, 42 points to play for and anything can happen in football

We also dropped points yesterday and the gap increased. Its more likely that things will continue to be crap than this turnaround people are dreaming about.

The only way United finish 4th is if Suarez and Sturridge get injured/banned.

magnumbud

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

You support Utd because of a past bandwagon jump.

actually no i dont. i support united cause of my mom who was a die hard united fan from the 70s on so no i don't support them from jumping on a bandwagon.

Discodog

People used to be very critical of SAF & the Glazers. It doesn't make you a bad fan. Our ability to criticise & constantly seek improvement is what made the club.

If anything the worry now is that complacency is creeping in. Already we would be pleased with 4th. Our manager has been given way more time than other clubs would of given.

Mars Bar

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

It's a shame, that is a nice shirt!

It's vile imo!

Cantona's Collars

I'm back from the wilderness.

Ah well,nothing's changed,our play is still rubbish, one dimensional, painful on the eyes stuff.

Yesterday took the biscuit,dunno how Moyes could say we were unlucky.Getting to the byline doesn't win games,it's not NFL or Rugby.There's a big rectangular thing with a net that we are meant to put the ball into more times than our opponent does it to us.Watching the ball going sideways,backwards then a hail mary ball was galling.I'm still baffled at the tactic of leaving Fletcher on the bench when he has the experience of a dogfight against the likes of Stoke,ffs when you play a team like them the way to do it is passing and movement,only one tried it continually and he was Mata.

Carrick moving to CB didn't help but his form is so poor it didn't really matter,as for Cleverly - I'd be happy enough for him not to grace our first team again,average with no signs of ever improving.Isn't his position supposed to be the one where we see movement & dictation of the play? Instead we see the positional awareness and reading of the play on a par with Stevie Wonder,when he does get involved it's cowardly play of laying the ball off and hoping someone else does his job.



Anybody could have been got in even on loan to improve our midfield until the much vaunted rebuild begins in the Summer,even players we declared as "not United quality" would have done on loan,what we currently have aren't exactly United quality.There's one team in Manchester playing fast paced attacking football that's lighting up the league,pity they are wearing light blue.We used to do that.:(

Vertigo100

No

My parents honeymoon was to old Trafford to see George Best play. My grandfather went over when no one in Ireland did. There was no choice in who I supported.

My father passed when I was very young but my older brother made sure I followed the family tradition. I will always support united no matter what as will all of my children.

We'll never die.

Liam O

Cleverley was one of the better players yesterday. Showed a bit of fight unlike most of the others on twice his wage.

BloodBath

No

yabadabado wrote: »

Real are a different breed for sure but you have Pogba and Reus at 30m and then list :Nani - 14m,Valencia - 14m,Young - 12.5m,Cleverly - 12.5m.

That is no way realistic,be lucky to get 25m for those 4 combined.

I'm sure the prices are debateable. I used http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/ to source the values. If you know of a better source for accurate values then let me know. Values fluctuate, if the club doesn't want to sell or multiple clubs want the same player it's only driving the price up.

Considering how inflated the market is though and the fact clubs are paying 30 million + for decent players I don't think 14m for Nani or Valencia is unreasonable. 12.5 for Cleverly is optimistic maybe but that's what he was valued at.

You would have to be able to see into the future to know what they are truly worth when you buy them. I did say in the post that you would most likely have to pay a good bit over their actual value for their clubs to sell them. Pretty much what we did with Mata and Fellaini.

Cantona's Collars

Liam O wrote: »

Cleverley was one of the better players yesterday. Showed a bit of fight unlike most of the others on twice his wage.

He really wasn't.If by fight you mean moaning all game yeah by all means he was good.Even Ashley Young looked leagues ahead of him & that's saying something.
I wouldn't depend on him to carry my shopping let alone the midfield fight for United.

Saucy McKetchup

No

Apparently Welbeck only completed 4 passes yesterday and one of them was from a kick off

Schwiiing

Pogba having a stroll against Inter and bossing the midfield along with Pirlo and Vidal. It's enough to you cry to think they built that midfield for less than 10M.

Pudsy33

No

Schwiiing wrote: »

Pogba having a stroll against Inter and bossing the midfield along with Pirlo and Vidal. It's enough to you cry to think they built that midfield for less than 10M.

Please stop

Whatsisname

No

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Apparently Welbeck only completed 4 passes yesterday and one of them was from a kick off

He was actually so awful yesterday it was unbelievable. Non existent for the most part, any time he was involved, it was him falling over himself or breaking down one of our attacks, just do not see the big deal about him.

The_Kew_Tour

No

Discodog wrote: »

People used to be very critical of SAF & the Glazers. It doesn't make you a bad fan. Our ability to criticise & constantly seek improvement is what made the club.

If anything the worry now is that complacency is creeping in. Already we would be pleased with 4th. Our manager has been given way more time than other clubs would of given.

Totally agree here.

Whats wrong with wanting the club to be a success?

I want to win as many trophies as I can.

Cantona's Collars

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I want to win as many trophies as I can.

Sadly the team currently seem to think the opposite.:(

Saucy McKetchup

No

Whatsisname wrote: »

He was actually so awful yesterday it was unbelievable. Non existent for the most part, any time he was involved, it was him falling over himself or breaking down one of our attacks, just do not see the big deal about him.

He needs 20 square foot of space around him to do anything

The_Kew_Tour

No

zerks wrote: »

Sadly the team currently seem to think the opposite.:(

Moyes has a lot to blame for here.

His interviews and his attitude seems to be that this season as some sort of right off. BS.

IamtheWalrus

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Moyes has a lot to blame for here.

His interviews and his attitude seems to be that this season as some sort of right off. BS.

No CL football next season will soon make him regret that stance. Only signing Mata in January was as bad as Arsenal's Jan.

Cantona's Collars

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Moyes has a lot to blame for here.

His interviews and his attitude seems to be that this season as some sort of right off. BS.

I'm not convinced by his coaching team at all,they just don't inspire confidence.Would Fergie have listened or consulted any of them during a game?We got the wrong Neville brother on the staff.Who would you rather have coaching our squad,the one who speaks sense and has tactical nouse or the one who I've never heard a word from regarding football since he retired from playing?

We have 42 points to play for and a team like United should be aiming for that figure and not putting up with mediocre play and hard luck stories.It's an awful thing to say that I'm not looking forward to the Fulham game as the one we should be using to kick on from.Currently we are on a par with Trapps Ireland in terms of play.

The_Kew_Tour

No

zerks wrote: »

I'm not convinced by his coaching team at all,they just don't inspire confidence.Would Fergie have listened or consulted any of them during a game?We got the wrong Neville brother on the staff.Who would you rather have coaching our squad,the one who speaks sense and has tactical nouse or the one who I've never heard a word from regarding football since he retired from playing?

We have 42 points to play for and a team like United should be aiming for that figure and not putting up with mediocre play and hard luck stories.It's an awful thing to say that I'm not looking forward to the Fulham game as the one we should be using to kick on from.Currently we are on a par with Trapps Ireland in terms of play.

The only bright light was that Mata makes a difference. Those little balls forward into pockets of space.

Once getting that type of service RVP and Rooney will thrive.

I thought Mata was immense yesterday. Did all the simple things well. Its a pity all his good play was undone bar the assist.

Cantona's Collars

Mata showed how he's a step above,easy to see how he won POTY at Chelsea 2 seasons in a row.Pity so many others weren't on the same page as him.You could see him at times get visibly frustrated calling for the ball while passes went elsewhere into traffic.
Hopefully now Fellaini plays like the beast who dominated us in his time at Everton and adds some dynamism that's sorely lacking in midfield which will allow Mata to thrive and supply the ammo for RVP & Rooney.If Fellaini can't get into that midfield ahead of Cleverly something's clearly wrong.

The_Kew_Tour

No

zerks wrote: »

Mata showed how he's a step above,easy to see how he won POTY at Chelsea 2 seasons in a row.Pity so many others weren't on the same page as him.You could see him at times get visibly frustrated calling for the ball while passes went elsewhere into traffic.
Hopefully now Fellaini plays like the beast who dominated us in his time at Everton and adds some dynamism that's sorely lacking in midfield which will allow Mata to thrive and supply the ammo for RVP & Rooney.If Fellaini can't get into that midfield ahead of Cleverly something's clearly wrong.

Had he been playing with City yesterday or United players with confidence we would have scored least 2 more goals.

The last 2 games we have at least been creating chances. We were unlucky yesterday in lot of ways, sadly though Moyes brought a lot of this misfortune on himself. Bringing on Welbeck yesterday had me raging.

Vic Vinegar

Phil Jones is ok anyway, just a concussion.

Nani out for another month now, been a bit of a Darren Anderton this season.

J. Marston

No

Getting tired of Nani's injuries.