Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

Maximus Alexander

I'd say Arsene could be starting to think about retirement and might want to go out on a win like Ferguson. If he was to leave without winning a league in over a decade he wouldn't leave much of a legacy.

J. Marston

No

Fellaini out for another week, so says Moyes.

8-10

J. Marston wrote: »

Fellaini out for another week, so says Moyes.

Is it still wrist? Don't want to be funny but is that a bad injury for a soccer player?

bren2001

8-10 wrote: »

Is it still wrist? Don't want to be funny but is that a bad injury for a soccer player?

Picked up a groin injury during the week. Out for a week.

jaykay74

No

J. Marston wrote: »

Fellaini out for another week, so says Moyes.

I've been confused about Fellianis injury since it was first announced while away on international duty and he subsequently played for Belgium and Utd for a while after. Seemed odd it wasn't just dealt with when it first surfaced. Its still a wrist injury or..?

lordgoat

No

Mutual decision to let Vida go? Another baffling decision from DM.

8-10

bren2001 wrote: »

Picked up a groin injury during the week. Out for a week.

Makes more sense. Don't want to injure that too badly, hurts like hell!

Backstreet Moyes

bullvine wrote: »

I will be shocked if Young leaves.

If reports are true that he earns 100k plus a week then he will be impossible to sell.

jaykay74

No

lordgoat wrote: »

Mutual decision to let Vida go? Another baffling decision from DM.

Maybe he wanted an indication that he would be first choice next season and that wasn't forthcoming. Bit risky changing Rio and Vidic in one go even though I guess neither are first choice at this stage.

lordgoat

No

8-10 wrote: »

Makes more sense. Don't want to injure that too badly, hurts like hell!

Ya the old wrist injury to groin injury. A pretty common route.

lordgoat

No

jaykay74 wrote: »

Maybe he wanted an indication that he would be first choice next season and that wasn't forthcoming. Bit risky changing Rio and Vidic in one go even though I guess neither are first choice at this stage.

I would have thought DM would have wanted to keep him, but mutual implies, vida wanted to leave (which i can understand) and DM not wanting to renew his contract/ ok with him leaving.

TheDoc

8-10 wrote: »

Is it still wrist? Don't want to be funny but is that a bad injury for a soccer player?

muscle and nerves through your wrist connect through your entire arm. A bad wrist injury can mean shooting pains going up your arm. Considering when you run, you arms move in tandum, it can be pretty discomforting when jogging or running.

Even if it was just isolated to the wrist and wrist only, you still rotate your wrist plenty during a match, so could easily see why it would hurt.

Your Airbag

lordgoat wrote: »

Mutual decision to let Vida go? Another baffling decision from DM.

My guess would be Vidic first approached them about leaving. I would imagine after Fergie leaving and his age he decided to call it a day.

Maybe they tried to talk him around but I imagine Vidic is strong willed and he was such a good servant they wanted to thank him and gave him his wish.

IamtheWalrus

Excited about Utd's new look 11 for next season. Hopefully no more bore players.

8-10

TheDoc wrote: »

muscle and nerves through your wrist connect through your entire arm. A bad wrist injury can mean shooting pains going up your arm. Considering when you run, you arms move in tandum, it can be pretty discomforting when jogging or running.

Even if it was just isolated to the wrist and wrist only, you still rotate your wrist plenty during a match, so could easily see why it would hurt.

Thanks Doc!

Julez

No

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Excited about Utd's new look 11 for next season. Hopefully no more bore players.

I was excited before the start of this season too...

Thecon21

No

jaykay74 wrote: »

Maybe he wanted an indication that he would be first choice next season and that wasn't forthcoming. Bit risky changing Rio and Vidic in one go even though I guess neither are first choice at this stage.

I don't quite agree here, Vidic is only 32 and imo the best CB at the club still. One more year would have been ideal.

jaykay74

No

Thecon21 wrote: »

I don't quite agree here, Vidic is only 32 and imo the best CB at the club still. One more year would have been ideal.

I mean David Moyes first choice CB not mine. I would be surprised if Moyes said to Vidic that he wanted him next season and he would be first choice and he still decided to go. I guess Moyes could give no assurances about his place in the team. speculation of course

Backstreet Moyes

Thecon21 wrote: »

I don't quite agree here, Vidic is only 32 and imo the best CB at the club still. One more year would have been ideal.

Vidic is 32 and a great servant but has had niggling injuries lately. I would have loved him to stay and pick and choose what games he played in.

I couldn't begrudge him a big money move to PSG or Monaco which could be on the cards. Also a move to Italy would suit his game i just wish him the best.

Mars Bar

Wasn't there rumours out last summer too that Vida's wife really wants to move away?

I don't get why people are all up on Moyes' back about this one. Did anyone who knew that Vida's contract was running out really think he was going to re-sign?

Perhaps Moyes should have been more coy and used the word amicable instead of mutual.

Nalz

No

Julez wrote: »

I was excited before the start of this season too...

+1

rob316

Blaming Moyes for Vidic leaving is real petty. Didn't he almost leave aswell before he signed his last contract. Did I remember hearing some moan about the weather?

thelad95

No

Julez wrote: »

I was excited before the start of this season too...

I wasn't to be honest. I expected a transitional season and when the squad wasn't greatly added to during the summer, I knew it would be a transitional season. My definition of transitional would have been third place, a decent run in the FA cup and QF's in Champions League. About 60% way through the season now and we're out of the FA cup and I wouldn't place my house on the other two happening. I'll put my hands up and say I don't know much about Olympiakos but I'd take a guess that they'll fancy their chances and similar to Swansea and Sunderland, will have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

The_Kew_Tour

No

this is not Moyes fault.

Vidic has been sensational player for us. he deserves to leave on his terms.

he owes United nothing

RasTa

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

this is not Moyes fault.

Vidic has been sensational player for us. he deserves to leave on his terms.

he owes United nothing

I've no doubt that with a different, more exciting manager he would have stayed until the end.

The_Kew_Tour

No

RasTa wrote: »

I've no doubt that with a different, more exciting manager he would have stayed until the end.

he hinted at leaving last season.

this has very little to do with Moyes.

people need to get a grip.

Maximus Alexander

RasTa wrote: »

I've no doubt that with a different, more exciting manager he would have stayed until the end.

It's probably better for all concerned that he leaves now, as much as I love the guy. He's been picking up injuries, and that ACL one was massive, a lot of people never fully recover from those. He will probably decline pretty rapidly, Rio style, over the next couple of seasons and would find himself on the sidelines more and more often.

I would say this would be happening under SAF too, don't see how this one can be pinned on Moyes. Better for him to go out on a relative high and get the send-off he deserves.

TheDoc

With Kew on this one, too many times to he linked with other clubs. Granted at the time we hit a hat trick of CL finals, I always knew in my heart of hearts he wouldn't finish his days at the club and would move on.

I think people are trying to proportion the blame on Moyes for the sake of it. This is one of those things that just happens, who knows what was said behind closed doors, but the club might aswell have seen this is a chance to move all the old guard out. Get in new players that are Moyes players, who will fight for him and play for him.

Surprised Cleverly isn't getting the blame here.

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

this is not Moyes fault.

Vidic has been sensational player for us. he deserves to leave on his terms.

he owes United nothing

Some people will use anything they can find as a stick to beat Moyes with at this stage.

TheTownie

No

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It's probably better for all concerned that he leaves now, as much as I love the guy. He's been picking up injuries, and that ACL one was massive, a lot of people never fully recover from those. He will probably decline pretty rapidly, Rio Gangnam style, over the next couple of seasons and would find himself on the sidelines more and more often.

I would say this would be happening under SAF too, don't see how this one can be pinned on Moyes. Better for him to go out on a relative high and get the send-off he deserves.

FYP :P

The_Kew_Tour

No

Sacramento wrote: »

Some people will use anything they can find as a stick to beat Moyes with at this stage.

we can blame he for a lot but he has done well in regards keeping players and getting players to sign on etc.

UnitedIrishman

No

Don't think you can fault Moyes or Vidic. Vidic would have wanted a 2 year deal minimum at his current pay which is too much for a defender on the decline. Moyes might have wanted to keep him for a year but might also look at it and say he needs to start rebuilding a team.

It's the best for both parties IMO.

Lord TSC

No

I'm probably one of the main drivers of the Anti-Moyes train, but don't blame him for Vidic leaving at all.

I think most expected (or should have been expecting) Vidic to leave this summer, and he's been linked with numerous clubs over the last few seasons. By next season, given his current trajectory, he wouldn't or shouldn't be near the first team on a consistant basis, and with the summer window coming up, he was likely going to slip down the pecking order.

Would he have stayed for a different manager? Maybe.
Would that necessarily have been a good thing? Probably not.

brinty

TheDoc wrote: »

Surprised Cleverly isn't getting the blame here.

Agh sure c'mere why don't we also blame Welbeck and Young while were at it:P
And Evra too

alwayssideways

No

brinty wrote: »

Agh sure c'mere why don't we also blame Welbeck and Young while were at it:P
And Evra too

Don't forget Woodward, he will feel left out if he doesn't get some blame.

sawfish

Nemanja ohhh, Nemanja ohhh,
He comes from Serbia...
He'll f**kin' Murder Ya!

Absolute beast of a defender, will be missed.

Wish him well wherever he goes, he`s probably sick of the rain in Manchester!:)

Your Airbag

The only positive from all of these players leaving or coming to the end of their careers at UTD is that it really spells the end of the Fergie era.

Why is that good? Well a change in style is possible for the first time in a long time. It may not be Moyes at the helm but I would welcome a more continental style of play. I'm not sure Moyes has ever done that though.

lordgoat

No

Who blamed Moyes for Vidic leaving? Alot of people looking for something when it's not there.

All I said was it was another puzzling decision from him saying that the decision to part ways was mutual. To me that means he was ok with Vida leaving. I find that strange. People can surmise all they want about what he might have meant but using those words it's a strange decision.

RasTa

No

I'm blaming Moyes for not convincing him to stay :pac:

dahat

No

Sacramento wrote: »

Some people will use anything they can find as a stick to beat Moyes with at this stage.

8 defeats is a pretty big stick not sure anymore sticks are needed.

Hococop

No

In Moyes conference he mentioned he wanted René meulensteen to stay but he wanted to leave. I suppose it shows he did want to keep a few backroom staff

Liam O

Next year is our year lads.

The_Kew_Tour

No

Vidic or Stam as best CB we had in past 20 years?

Ye can name someone else although I think these 2 edge it ahead of Johnson and Rio

I would go
1.Vidic
2. Stam
3. Johnson
4. Rio

Bruce and Palister were fine pairing too but felt they needed each other not far behind

sky88

No

Who cares weather its mutual lets just celbrate a great player leader and captain

The_Kew_Tour

No

Liam O wrote: »

Next year is our year lads.

21 here we come

Choo choo!!

jaykay74

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

21 here we come

Choo choo!!

I think he means top 4 :eek:

Lord TSC

No

jaykay74 wrote: »

I think he means top 4 :eek:

I think he means top 10 :P

Julez

No

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I think he means top 10 :P

I think he means avoid relegation!!

The_Kew_Tour

No

Or maybe winning the Championship.

Liam O

I meant it in a Liverpool 2008 way, not a Liverpool 2012 way obvo goys.