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Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871
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NoMitch Connor wrote: »However much I want Moyes gone, if the board haven't seen fit to sack him at this point, they simply aren't going to for the next while. He hasn't been sacked after the disgraceful performances and results from January (combined with a poor season leading up to it) so he won't be sacked before the end of the season - and at that point I reckon they will give him the summer window and first half of next season at least. Unfortunately, because the guy is clearly struggling and has no clue how to fix the issues.
I'm hoping for performance related get out clauses in Moyes contract so either he goes when top 4 is mathematically not possible or else at the seasons close. Wishful thinking maybe
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NoI'm hoping for performance related get out clauses in Moyes contract so either he goes when top 4 is mathematically not possible or else at the seasons close. Wishful thinking maybe
I'd imagine any such clauses won't kick in till the final whistle is blown on the final day of the season, or before a set date (if he started June 1st, I'd imagine it's May 31st). It's the only reason I can hope for that he's not been booted yet.
Of course, the problem then comes that if we have to wait till then, no new manager can come in before June 1st, and we're back to square one with "Got to examine the team", "Need time to see who is available".
Realistically, I'd have loved to see them announce a new manager soon, so he can spend the next few weeks/last few games examining the team and start doing the work as quickly as possible...0 -
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Who do we get to replace Moyes ???
I don't think he should be sacked until he at least has a chance to put his own stamp on the team, he is still working with a team even Sir Alex hadn't got the heart or energy to rebuild lol
He was landed in the deep end by Ferguson, given the seal of approval on one hand but handed the worst United team of the last 26 years to rebuild, i don't think there is another manager around that would have done much better than Moyes in the short time he's been there,we'd be a bit closer to 4th place at best.
Where do you think we would be in the league if Ferguson was still in charge? do you think we'd be top 4? you're having a laugh. Ferguson knew what was coming, with the team needing rebuilding and Chelsea and City reinforcing he protected his own ego by standing down (which is what he did for most of his 26 years in charge)0 -
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NoWho do we get to replace Moyes ???
I don't think he should be sacked until he at least has a chance to put his own stamp on the team, he is still working with a team even Sir Alex hadn't got the heart or energy to rebuild lol
He was landed in the deep end by Ferguson, given the seal of approval on one hand but handed the worst United team of the last 26 years to rebuild, i don't think there is another manager around that would have done much better than Moyes in the short time he's been there,we'd be a bit closer to 4th place at best.
Where do you think we would be in the league if Ferguson was still in charge? do you think we'd be top 4? you're having a laugh. Ferguson knew what was coming, with the team needing rebuilding and Chelsea and City reinforcing he protected his own ego by standing down (which is what he did for most of his 26 years in charge)
So you think Fergie wouldn't have got a top four position with the team he walked the league with last year (plus additions). I think it is you who is having a laugh.
As for Moyes not putting his stamp on the team - the midfielders have become more limited, and he has signed a world class attacking midfielder and has played him on the wing, and shown no indication of being able to get himself, Rooney and RVP working together. He has put his stamp on the team - it is crap.
This bollox that the squad needed a complete overhaul is rediculous. It needed top players, yes, but fact is moyes isn't getting close to a proper performance from the squad this season - he isn't getting the most from the players he has, that is poor management.
People saying Fergie sold him up the river or gave him a hospital pass... BS. He was given the league champions and has them struggling in 7th.0 -
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Well some thought from last night.
Arsenal are league contenders, frequent leaders and have been imperious at home this season. They hadn't conceeded a goal in god knows how long, and had been scoring regularly at home.
Coming of the back of a 5-1 drubbing, it made sense to fear a backlash.
Both teams definitly didn't want to loose and showed that through tentitive passing, loose passing and a large focus on defending. Neither side REALLY stretched themselves, we had a handful of attempts, Arsenal got on top for periods, but overall neither team carved out excellent chances in abundance.
We looked to be compact and organised defensively, and try break onto Arsenal. They arn't a counter attacking team at all. I mentioned in a post yesterday that Arsenal in recent weeks are being little exposed with their lack of pace, and their slow build up play can be somewhat easy to get organised against, and they rely too heavily now on intricute one twos, like Arsenal of old.
Unfortunately our only pace in breaking was Valencia, or Rooney when he dropped deep. Anytime we did seem to break, Arsenal had plenty back, neither team really stretched the play.
I mentioned yesterday that I wouldn't be suprised if Cleverly started. Arsenal are not a combative midfield, but Cleverly has some good traits in his stamina and ability to press the ball. Yes I know he has been caught out a few times this season, but I feel overall he does a decent job pressing and harrassing other midfielders. He was alongside a somewhat satic Carrick, against three highly dynamic midfielders in Corzola, Ozil and Wilshire, with Rosicky coming central and Arteta there aswell. It was 2v5 at times. Cleverly make some good tackles, good interceptions and on a number of occasions nipped the ball from Arsenal. He also at times pushed forward to press the the team moved forward aswell, we had a sustained 10-15 minutes in that first half of high pressure, that Cleverly caused. He attempted two of three darts forward, that while didn't pay off, there was some signs that he can do it, but he's under certain instructions. Overall a decent performance and I'm somewhat happy for him after the spotlight he has been getting, he made some good interceptions and broke up play that in reality, Fellaini was bought to do, so he's doing something not natural to him, but did well against what is a highly dynamic midfield.
Ozil as mentioned yesterday, fell flat again. Simply struggling now at the tail end of the season, and it's down to fitness. Something I've always queried about him was his engine, his stamina, and like Real before Arsenal, it's starting to show. He doesn't have the engine to go for 90 minutes and simply just get's nackered. Not sure if he doesn't look after himself, or maybe has some sort of condition, but he just falls flat in games so often. I'd say if you dig out the stats there will be some evidence for this. Maybe needs time to adjust to the premier league, not having a winter break can be tough. But at the same time this is the issue that sidelined him from Madrid, how he just get's nackered after 60 minutes of play.
Vidic was really powerful last night, doing what he does best. He had a great battle with Giroud that swung back and forth. Did alot to dispell some murmurs that he was " at the right time to leave" and made up for a pretty poor display against Fulham.
The game itself was poor, and Arsenal were for the taking, but to a certain extent so we're we. We need to appreciate the situation here. We are a team shot of confidence, struggling to carve consistent chances and were playing against league contenders who are stonkingly strong at home this season. We could see Arsenal for the taking, but we need to appreciate the current mindset and form of our team, and I can see why we couldn't capitalise. We havnt been sucking teams in this year and smashing them on the counter like old. All in all while a win was really required, a draw isn't a bad result. The defense was MUCH better, there was some signs of intricute play, and it was another game with Mata, Rooney and RVP together, which needs time to find each others feet.
I can appreciate some might feel it was a poor result and another shoddy display, but I am relatively happy on reflection. RVP takes one of his two sitters and we have done a snatch and grab at one of the toughest grounds to win at this season. In fact RVP takes his sitters yestrday, and at Fulham, we are six points from two games, and probably talking about a turnaround. I'll give him a pass since he is only back recently, but really was sinful, especially the header. The ONE place the keeper would have a chance, his near post, and RVP puts it there
Maybe more misguided optimism from me, but happy with the result, the defence get's a clean sheet under it's belt, and I hope that we can take our chances now going forward, and use this to build on. It's absolutely NO POINT if we go to our next game and mess it up.0 -
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Well some thought from last night.
Arsenal are league contenders, frequent leaders and have been imperious at home this season. They hadn't conceeded a goal in god knows how long, and had been scoring regularly at home.
Coming of the back of a 5-1 drubbing, it made sense to fear a backlash.
Both teams definitly didn't want to loose and showed that through tentitive passing, loose passing and a large focus on defending. Neither side REALLY stretched themselves, we had a handful of attempts, Arsenal got on top for periods, but overall neither team carved out excellent chances in abundance.
We looked to be compact and organised defensively, and try break onto Arsenal. They arn't a counter attacking team at all. I mentioned in a post yesterday that Arsenal in recent weeks are being little exposed with their lack of pace, and their slow build up play can be somewhat easy to get organised against, and they rely too heavily now on intricute one twos, like Arsenal of old.
Unfortunately our only pace in breaking was Valencia, or Rooney when he dropped deep. Anytime we did seem to break, Arsenal had plenty back, neither team really stretched the play.
I mentioned yesterday that I wouldn't be suprised if Cleverly started. Arsenal are not a combative midfield, but Cleverly has some good traits in his stamina and ability to press the ball. Yes I know he has been caught out a few times this season, but I feel overall he does a decent job pressing and harrassing other midfielders. He was alongside a somewhat satic Carrick, against three highly dynamic midfielders in Corzola, Ozil and Wilshire, with Rosicky coming central and Arteta there aswell. It was 2v5 at times. Cleverly make some good tackles, good interceptions and on a number of occasions nipped the ball from Arsenal. He also at times pushed forward to press the the team moved forward aswell, we had a sustained 10-15 minutes in that first half of high pressure, that Cleverly caused. He attempted two of three darts forward, that while didn't pay off, there was some signs that he can do it, but he's under certain instructions. Overall a decent performance and I'm somewhat happy for him after the spotlight he has been getting, he made some good interceptions and broke up play that in reality, Fellaini was bought to do, so he's doing something not natural to him, but did well against what is a highly dynamic midfield.
Ozil as mentioned yesterday, fell flat again. Simply struggling now at the tail end of the season, and it's down to fitness. Something I've always queried about him was his engine, his stamina, and like Real before Arsenal, it's starting to show. He doesn't have the engine to go for 90 minutes and simply just get's nackered. Not sure if he doesn't look after himself, or maybe has some sort of condition, but he just falls flat in games so often. I'd say if you dig out the stats there will be some evidence for this. Maybe needs time to adjust to the premier league, not having a winter break can be tough. But at the same time this is the issue that sidelined him from Madrid, how he just get's nackered after 60 minutes of play.
Vidic was really powerful last night, doing what he does best. He had a great battle with Giroud that swung back and forth. Did alot to dispell some murmurs that he was " at the right time to leave" and made up for a pretty poor display against Fulham.
The game itself was poor, and Arsenal were for the taking, but to a certain extent so we're we. We need to appreciate the situation here. We are a team shot of confidence, struggling to carve consistent chances and were playing against league contenders who are stonkingly strong at home this season. We could see Arsenal for the taking, but we need to appreciate the current mindset and form of our team, and I can see why we couldn't capitalise. We havnt been sucking teams in this year and smashing them on the counter like old. All in all while a win was really required, a draw isn't a bad result. The defense was MUCH better, there was some signs of intricute play, and it was another game with Mata, Rooney and RVP together, which needs time to find each others feet.
I can appreciate some might feel it was a poor result and another shoddy display, but I am relatively happy on reflection. RVP takes one of his two sitters and we have done a snatch and grab at one of the toughest grounds to win at this season. In fact RVP takes his sitters yestrday, and at Fulham, we are six points from two games, and probably talking about a turnaround. I'll give him a pass since he is only back recently, but really was sinful, especially the header. The ONE place the keeper would have a chance, his near post, and RVP puts it there
Maybe more misguided optimism from me, but happy with the result, the defence get's a clean sheet under it's belt, and I hope that we can take our chances now going forward, and use this to build on. It's absolutely NO POINT if we go to our next game and mess it up.
Arsenal are not league contenders, they have taken 5 points from playing United x2, Chelsea,Man City,Liverpool,Spurs & Everton.. 5 points from a possible 21 against direct rivals. They will drift away in the coming weeks and finish 4th
It wasnt a good result for United, it was as good as a defeat as we needed to win to maintain any prospect of a top 4 finish.0 -
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