Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 Mod Warning: Post #7871

Royal Legend

bren2001 wrote: »

There is money in the club, there is absolutely no doubt about that. To what extent the Glazer's and Woody will open the purse strings is the real issue. IMO I think Moyes will get 100+ million and we will slide inside the FPP rules. Sure he has got 70+ so far.

Nobody thinks buying top quality players is going to be easy. We have seen the shambles that has been the last two windows. I have no confidence that we can get big players in added to that it is a World Cup summer, which makes it even harder and if we don't get CL.....

Not many here think we are going to get 8 top class players in. I think we will get maybe 5 players in. 3 established players and 2 younger prospects to cover positions. (well that is the aim imo).

We don't have to sell RVP or Rooney. The only reason we would sell is if they want to go. RVP has 2 years left after this, he will be 32 going on 33 when the contract is up. If Moyes wants to keep him he can just run his contract out. Equally, Rooney is reported to be signing a new contract.

Even three established is a push and I say that from a Liverpool perspective as well. As soon as you are associated with a potential target, Chelsea and City, as well as PSG, Madrid, all have the ability to offer more money and wages, I am also sure that Spurs will be looking to recruit as well

TheDoc

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

We would sign kroos and then probably stick him in goals....

He couldn't **** it up.
Throw him in midfield and just switch it to "Kroos Control".

Vic Vinegar

Royal Legend wrote: »

Even three established is a push and I say that from a Liverpool perspective as well. As soon as you are associated with a potential target, Chelsea and City, as well as PSG, Madrid, all have the ability to offer more money and wages, I am also sure that Spurs will be looking to recruit as well

Exactly, we're a bigger and better club than Liverpool and are a far more prestigious club to sign for, plus we can spend as much as anyone if we want to.


BTW, it's the club's money (from our own revenue) we'll be spending, not the Glazer's. The Glazers only take money from the club

I am pie

World cup summer window is also littered with flash in the pans who have agreat tournament then never hit the heights again. Prices are inflated due to bidding wars and you get tired players coming back. Post tournament seasons can be tough for transfers and getting the squad going.

The 4th place team will also have a very early start to their european campaign which will rely on non world cup players being ready to get started.

Royal Legend

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Exactly, we're a bigger and better club than Liverpool and are a far more prestigious club to sign for, plus we can spend as much as anyone if we want to.


BTW, it's the club's money (from our own revenue) we'll be spending, not the Glazer's. The Glazers only take money from the club

I will leave you off as you are in your own thread (and own little world by the looks of it also )

bren2001

Royal Legend wrote: »

Even three established is a push and I say that from a Liverpool perspective as well. As soon as you are associated with a potential target, Chelsea and City, as well as PSG, Madrid, all have the ability to offer more money and wages, I am also sure that Spurs will be looking to recruit as well

Therein lies one of the biggest problems. Not only can they offer big wages and transfer fees but will offer CL as well. I don't know how much the CL will effect us getting in these players. I would assume that people are not that short sighted to see that we will be back in the CL next year.

There is no doubt we are paying big and going to have to break our wage structure to get these players in. We can match the wages that other teams offer. However, I don't think many players will want to work with Moyes based on what they have seen this season.

On the flip side, we are one of the biggest clubs in the world and players will give us serious consideration. Added to that, the team will be built around who we buy in the summer and these players will become staples in the starting 11. That is incredibly attractive for any young player. It is going to be an exciting summer and I pray that Woody comes good.

Vic Vinegar

Royal Legend wrote: »

I will leave you off as you are in your own thread (and own little world by the looks of it also )

Clearly, you are the deluded one.

Royal Legend

bren2001 wrote: »

Therein lies one of the biggest problems. Not only can they offer big wages and transfer fees but will offer CL as well. I don't know how much the CL will effect us getting in these players. I would assume that people are not that short sighted to see that we will be back in the CL next year.

There is no doubt we are paying big and going to have to break our wage structure to get these players in. We can match the wages that other teams offer. However, I don't think many players will want to work with Moyes based on what they have seen this season.

On the flip side, we are one of the biggest clubs in the world and players will give us serious consideration. Added to that, the team will be built around who we buy in the summer and these players will become staples in the starting 11. That is incredibly attractive for any young player. It is going to be an exciting summer and I pray that Woody comes good.

The above is full of ifs and buts, do you have a crystal ball that is telling you that you will defo make top 4 next season?
You say that many players will not want to work with Moyes, the man you are speculating will get you back into the CL?
And last of all, its experienced players you need in key positions, young players are a gamble, I am sure they would be lured by the money and the opportunity to play for utd, but that does not mean it will work out for them or for utd.

Pro. F

No

Lol at the suggestion that United need to buy 8 top players.

Mitch Connor

No

Pro. F wrote: »

Lol at the suggestion that United need to buy 8 top players.

Not all that laughable.

Most would agree we need two world class central midfielders and a left back. we need at least one top CB. Depending on outgoings we could need a winger and a striker that would fit in the 'top' bracket. A second right back option as well - whether you consider that player needs to be a 'top' player is another matter.

That is 7 players there.

Reality is only DDG, Rooney and Mata are fully sure of their first team places next season I reckon. Everything else is up for grabs ability wise.

bren2001

Royal Legend wrote: »

The above is full of ifs and buts, do you have a crystal ball that is telling you that you will defo make top 4 next season?
You say that many players will not want to work with Moyes, the man you are speculating will get you back into the CL?
And last of all, its experienced players you need in key positions, young players are a gamble, I am sure they would be lured by the money and the opportunity to play for utd, but that does not mean it will work out for them or for utd.

Of course it is full of ifs and buts, it is an educated guess at best. Do you have a crystal ball to predict how we will do?

Without the distraction of Champions League, getting to train with the players every week and being able to give the big players longer rests between matches I would be shocked if we did not get CL. I will rephrase what I said in that Moyes will really have to sell the club and his idea more than other managers to convince players to sign. That does not mean he cannot attract them.

By young players I mean around 26. Just about to come into their prime. These are the types of players we need. These players can be leaders the obvious example is Kroos.

RasTa

No

Royal Legend wrote: »

I will leave you off as you are in your own thread (and own little world by the looks of it also )

Yes, I forgot all the top player's clamouring to sign for the great Liverpool FC over the past 20 years of no titles.

v3ttel

brinty wrote: »

With talk of war chests and massive budgets and there record so far i have a feeling we'll end up signing zero players...

Seriously?

You honestly believe we won't sign a single player this Summer?

A squad that will almost certainly lose Vidic, Rio, Evra, Giggs & Anderson? When it is currently short of quality, and by that stage, will also be short of numbers?

After Moyes saying there'll be more players in the Summer?

After Mata's statements in his first press conference hinting at transfer plans for the Summer?

After Woodward saying he expects a higher amount of players in/out than normal?

Seriously?

Royal Legend

bren2001 wrote: »

Of course it is full of ifs and buts, it is an educated guess at best. Do you have a crystal ball to predict how we will do?

Without the distraction of Champions League, getting to train with the players every week and being able to give the big players longer rests between matches I would be shocked if we did not get CL. I will rephrase what I said in that Moyes will really have to sell the club and his idea more than other managers to convince players to sign. That does not mean he cannot attract them.

By young players I mean around 26. Just about to come into their prime. These are the types of players we need. These players can be leaders the obvious example is Kroos.

Agree with your comments above, being a WC year it might be worth his while getting a summer job as an analyst with the BBC or ITV as at least then he might be able to get near enough to talk to potential targets, other wise it will be very difficult IMO to speak to any potential target.
I would also imagine players will be swayed by WC squad team mates, ones that are talking to them everyday. Unless you do a deal with Kroos before the WC or have the ear of a team mate of his in the German squad, I think it will be very difficult for you to sign him, Arsenal would have a better chance for obvious reasons.

Pro. F

No

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Not all that laughable.

Most would agree we need two world class central midfielders and a left back. we need at least one top CB. Depending on outgoings we could need a winger and a striker that would fit in the 'top' bracket. A second right back option as well - whether you consider that player needs to be a 'top' player is another matter.

That is 7 players there.

Reality is only DDG, Rooney and Mata are fully sure of their first team places next season I reckon. Everything else is up for grabs ability wise.

At the absolute outside we need 4 first team players: 2 CMs; LB and CB. The rest of the team just needs squad additions at worst. No team needs to buy top class players for the bench.

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

At the absolute outside we need 4 first team players: 2 CMs; LB and CB. The rest of the team just needs squad additions at worst. No team needs to buy top class players for the bench.

4 at a minimum, what about Hernandez and his inevitable exit this season / as with Young and possibly Valencia?
Only Welbeck on the bench as a striker??
We need to have options if we are to challange again. Regardless of the first 11

brinty

v3ttel wrote: »

Seriously?

You honestly believe we won't sign a single player this Summer?

A squad that will almost certainly lose Vidic, Rio, Evra, Giggs & Anderson? When it is currently short of quality, and by that stage, will also be short of numbers?

After Moyes saying there'll be more players in the Summer?

After Mata's statements in his first press conference hinting at transfer plans for the Summer?

After Woodward saying he expects a higher amount of players in/out than normal?

Seriously?

Yes seriously. What have they done yet to convice us they can sign anyone....

Their record thus far..an ex evertonian we overpaid for and a deal for a chelsea player in which a 3rd party concluded the deal with help from Fergie and Giill...

Hardly inspires confidence now does it..

brinty

brinty wrote: »

Yes seriously. What have they done yet to convice us they can sign anyone....

Their record thus far..an ex evertonian we overpaid for and a deal for a chelsea player in which a 3rd party concluded the deal with help from Fergie and Giill...

Hardly inspires confidence now does it..

Woodward cleared this up, if the vice chairman says he want's players this summer then it's going to happen.
It's how they carry out the business that worrys me.

Pro. F

No

M!Ck^ wrote: »

4 at a minimum, what about Hernandez and his inevitable exit this season / as with Young and possibly Valencia?
Only Welbeck on the bench as a striker??
We need to have options if we are to challange again. Regardless of the first 11

No team needs to buy top class players for the bench.

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

No team needs to buy top class players for the bench.

I look @ Citys / Chelseas bench and I disagree.

cdb

No

I've been following this thread for a long time and while I rarely post there is one thing that stood out for me watching the match last night. Apart from Rooney's exquisite pass for RVP's second clear cut chance, what has happened to their interplay this season? Have they fallen out completely.

How differently that game would have turned out had Van Persie taken his two chances... Ok, the second was a fantastic save but the first chance early on when he was one on one with the keeper... Not only was it a miss, it was a bad miss and way off target. If that had gone in who knows how the game would have developed.

We'll never know but it got me thinking and sorry if it has been discussed at length but what if there is more to it than meets the eye, that maybe Rooney's apparent resurgence is down to Moyes talking him up in an effort to get the best out of him - but at Van Persie's expense.

Obviously I'm not saying this is the only reason we are struggling but I can't help thinking how much better off would we be with our two main strikers firing on all cylinders and banging in goals left right and centre.

Pro. F

No

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I look @ Citys / Chelseas bench and I disagree.

The conclusion I draw from that is that you don't understand the meaning of the word "need".

cdb

cdb wrote: »

I've been following this thread for a long time and while I rarely post there is one thing that stood out for me watching the match last night. Apart from Rooney's exquisite pass for RVP's second clear cut chance, what has happened to their interplay this season? Have they fallen out completely.

How differently that game would have turned out had Van Persie taken his two chances... Ok, the second was a fantastic save but the first chance early on when he was one on one with the keeper... Not only was it a miss, it was a bad miss and way off target. If that had gone in who knows how the game would have developed.

We'll never know but it got me thinking and sorry if it has been discussed at length but what if there is more to it than meets the eye, that maybe Rooney's apparent resurgence is down to Moyes talking him up in an effort to get the best out of him - but at Van Persie's expense.

Obviously I'm not saying this is the only reason we are struggling but I can't help thinking how much better off would we be with our two main strikers firing on all cylinders and banging in goals left right and centre.

Rooney and RVP have only started 8 out of 32 this saeson, first time since October I think for them to both get some consectuive games in together which doesn't help the above.

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

The conclusion I draw from that is that you don't understand the meaning of the word "need".

Yes they do need to buy top players for the bench that's why chelsea + city are where they are this season.
I understand the word Need so no 'NEED' for the insults.

The_Kew_Tour

No

In my opinion

we need 2 World Class CM or potential to be. We need top class CB. We need cover for RB and need strong player for LB. we might also need a striker if Chico leaves.

So thats 3 very good/world class players, and potentially 3 very good squad additions.

Six players should be enough thats of course that the likes of RVP and Rooney stay. I will remain optimistic on that one.

cdb

No

Agreed, but what was it, two passes in total the Fulham game?

Pro. F

No

cdb wrote: »

I've been following this thread for a long time and while I rarely post there is one thing that stood out for me watching the match last night. Apart from Rooney's exquisite pass for RVP's second clear cut chance, what has happened to their interplay this season? Have they fallen out completely.

How differently that game would have turned out had Van Persie taken his two chances... Ok, the second was a fantastic save but the first chance early on when he was one on one with the keeper... Not only was it a miss, it was a bad miss and way off target. If that had gone in who knows how the game would have developed.

We'll never know but it got me thinking and sorry if it has been discussed at length but what if there is more to it than meets the eye, that maybe Rooney's apparent resurgence is down to Moyes talking him up in an effort to get the best out of him - but at Van Persie's expense.

Obviously I'm not saying this is the only reason we are struggling but I can't help thinking how much better off would we be with our two main strikers firing on all cylinders and banging in goals left right and centre.

RvP has an excellent scoring record this seaaon. You can't expect him to score every chance that comes his way. The problem is not the players.

Pro. F

No

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Yes they do need to buy top players for the bench that's why chelsea + city are where they are this season.
I understand the word Need so no 'NEED' for the insults.

The difference between Chelsea, City and United is the quality of the managers, not the quality of player sitting on their benches.

ericzeking

M!Ck^ wrote: »

4 at a minimum, what about Hernandez and his inevitable exit this season / as with Young and possibly Valencia?
Only Welbeck on the bench as a striker??
We need to have options if we are to challange again. Regardless of the first 11

Alot of guys think Young and Valencia will be moved on based on the thinking that we as fans don't think they are good enough but based on the amount they have played I'd say both will be around for a while yet.

Lord TSC

No

cdb wrote: »

Agreed, but what was it, two passes in total the Fulham game?

Boils down to tactics. Since both were playing as strikers, and the gameplan was "Get it out wide", they weren't passing to each other.

I'd love, for instance, to see how many passes Rooney made out to the wings in comparison.

Backstreet Moyes

Anybody know how Henriquez is doing on loan could he come back next year or is it too soon? I think Keane needs a good loan before he is ready to step up to the first team squad.

The_Kew_Tour

No

Pro. F wrote: »

The difference between Chelsea, City and United is the quality of the managers, not the quality of player sitting on their benches.

Its actually hard to argue against this. Just quickly looked at last couple of benches for each and its hard to say Chelsea are much better.

Lucas Hood

No

Mightn't be a popular opinion but I wouldn't mind Joel Ward off Palace signed as cover for across the back 4 , could even cover in midfield. Wouldn't cost a fortune either.

Maximus Alexander

ericzeking wrote: »

Alot of guys think Young and Valencia will be moved on based on the thinking that we as fans don't think they are good enough but based on the amount they have played I'd say both will be around for a while yet.

Yeah I said before I don't expect Young or especially Valencia to be going anywhere this summer. I don't think they'd be playing as much. Which makes me worry about Nani and Hernandez. I know Nani has been injured, but not for the whole season surely? Hernandez looks a lot like a player on his way out.

Leftist

No

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

In my opinion

we need 2 World Class CM or potential to be. We need top class CB. We need cover for RB and need strong player for LB. we might also need a striker if Chico leaves.

So thats 3 very good/world class players, and potentially 3 very good squad additions.

Six players should be enough thats of course that the likes of RVP and Rooney stay. I will remain optimistic on that one.

1) we need a new manager.

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

The difference between Chelsea, City and United is the quality of the managers, not the quality of player sitting on their benches.

I'm not even sure if your being serious. This discussion was about the players not the manager.
I'm just going to disagree and park the argument with you.
But I'm sticking to City & Chelseas have the much stronger bench than ours and we need to have the ability to swap quality with quality.

Lucas Hood

No

Nuts102 wrote: »

Anybody know how Henriquez is doing on loan could he come back next year or is it too soon? I think Keane needs a good loan before he is ready to step up to the first team squad.

Seems to have lost his place in the Zaragoza team recently.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/ngelo-henriquez/leistungsdaten/spieler_189740.html

The_Kew_Tour

No

Leftist wrote: »

1) we need a new manager.

Well thats taken as a cert by most here

Pro. F

No

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I'm not even sure if your being serious. This discussion was about the players not the manager.
I'm just going to disagree and park the argument with you.
But I'm sticking to City & Chelseas have the much stronger bench than ours and we need to have the ability to swap quality with quality.

You said the quality of players on their benches was the reason that City and Chelsea are where they are. That is ridiculous.

IamtheWalrus

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well thats taken as a cert by most here

I want a new one only because I get bored easily. But to be honest, Moyes deserves a lot more time.

Lord TSC

No

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I want a new one only because I get bored easily. But to be honest, Moyes deserves a lot more time.

This word keeps being used, but I don't understand why...

Mitch Connor

No

Pro. F wrote: »

No team needs to buy top class players for the bench.

Yeah, they do.

City have Fernandino and Yaya CM, and are looking to sign Fernando. Top CM player for back up to their top CMs.

Look at the Munich signings over the last few years - constantly adding top players to their squad, so they have more than one top player per position.

Some United aren't players could barely be called good anymore, then need to be replaced, by very talented players.

Maximus Alexander

Here's a question for you lads: Is there even one player at United who would be mentioned in a discussion about the best in the world in their position?

I don't think so, and that's just not right.

I am pie

Any team wanting to win the title in a year where city and chelsea are with settled managers and playing well needs to have 2 players competing for every position.

Utd are very far short of that mark at the minute, taking away the moyes factor its clear that injuries to van persie and rooney have left them very short. No quality to fill the gaps.

If Van Persie got an injury last season Utd would not have cruised to the title, they may have won it, they may not, but that's an incredible amount of risk to have on one player who is above 30.

Liverpool has the same issue with Suarez, albeit if he stays he has more peak years than RvP left. Over the next year Utd need to start thinking about a replacement for the dutchman.

Mitch Connor

No

Pro. F wrote: »

You said the quality of players on their benches was the reason that City and Chelsea are where they are. That is ridiculous.

my thoughts: First 11 wins you games, a squad wins you trophies. Having a quality bench will play a large part in the success of a club, as they deal with injuries/loss of form through the season.

Mitch Connor

No

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Here's a question for you lads: Is there even one player at United who would be mentioned in a discussion about the best in the world in their position?

I don't think so, and that's just not right.

DDG, Mata. On top form Rooney and RVP too.

Lord TSC

No

I think we'd all like a top class bench. Being honest though, I think we actually have a pretty good one. The problem comes with the fact that Hernandez isn't played to his strengths as a gamechanger, Nani and Kags are more likely to win the lottery than get a long stretch in a game, Januzaj is a great up-and-comer, Welbeck offers cover for multiple positions, and when all our defenders are fit, we've got plenty of cover there. We need a backup player who can play left and right back, but that's all we NEED.

What we NEED is to do something drastic with the first team 11. That has to be the pressing concern for this summer. And then next summer, we can worry about "Doing a Bayern" and splunking out a tonne of cash on bench players.

Nalz

No

Mitch Connor wrote: »

DDG, Mata. On top form Rooney and RVP too.

They'd all make the top 10, maybe the top 5 but after that no

niallo27

No

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Here's a question for you lads: Is there even one player at United who would be mentioned in a discussion about the best in the world in their position?

I don't think so, and that's just not right.

Do Chelsea or arsenal have either.

bren2001

Trilla wrote: »

They'd all make the top 10, maybe the top 5 but after that no

The question was would they be mentioned in the discussion of best in their position. Not, are they the best?

All 4 players mentioned would feature in a discussion of best in the world.