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Limerick FC 2014

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭ShatterProof


    You can listen to the demolition on rebel radio if you like, this great fun.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Maire2009


    Friend of mine is a Cork fan and was at the game, couldn't get over how awful Limerick were and she saw us play a few times last year. No cohesion judging on Friday's game and what she has told me about tonight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    Maire2009 wrote: »
    Friend of mine is a Cork fan and was at the game, couldn't get over how awful Limerick were and she saw us play a few times last year. No cohesion judging on Friday's game and what she has told me about tonight.

    We looked so poor friday it wasn't even funny, if a junor team played as bad as we did friday they'd even be ashamed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭Our Brian


    Time for a change of manager, Taylor seems clueless at the best of times. Going nowhere but back to the first division with him in charge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    Our Brian wrote: »
    Time for a change of manager, Taylor seems clueless at the best of times. Going nowhere but back to the first division with him in charge.

    Ah hear stall the ball, our budget has been cut back and we did well last year overall

    The notion we need to sack our manager is utter non sense


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Didn't sound good at all tonight- even worse than I feared. I hope it's the shock to the system we need to sort things out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭TheBeast17


    Disgraceful performance. No effort and the same thing done over and over again with no sign of it ever going to work. Take the Bray game and go down another few levels and you have it.

    The style of play is a joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Our Brian wrote: »
    Time for a change of manager, Taylor seems clueless at the best of times. Going nowhere but back to the first division with him in charge.

    That would be really jumping the gun. Only two games in he deserves a chance to right it. Especially as he currently has 5 potential starters currently injured. The guy has moved his family over to this country and to sack him because of two matches would be harsh to say the least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Very very inexperienced side taking to the field against Dundalk.
    Cusack
    Kelly Whitehead Folan Costelloe
    Nzuzi
    Hughes Tracy
    Coughlan Gaffney McGrath


    That's Oji, Williams, Duggan and Rainsford gone from last week's team; Rainsford makes the bench... Oji & Williams musn't have been fully fit, Duggan is suspended. And still no sign of Ryan, Galbraith, Leahy, Curran.... Agyemang and Abass both on the bench. This could be bad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Very very inexperienced side taking to the field against Dundalk.
    Cusack
    Kelly Whitehead Folan Costelloe
    Nzuzi
    Hughes Tracy
    Coughlan Gaffney McGrath


    That's Oji, Williams, Duggan and Rainsford gone from last week's team; Rainsford makes the bench... Oji & Williams musn't have been fully fit, Duggan is suspended. And still no sign of Ryan, Galbraith, Leahy, Curran.... Agyemang and Abass both on the bench. This could be bad.

    1-0 up after 14 minutes shane Tracy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    1-1 and it's all Dundalk now.

    Commentary on Dundalk fm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    2-1 Dundalk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,734 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Back in Ireland for two and a half weeks, and Limerick games were the highlight of that. Poor against Bray, woeful against Cork, marginally better against Dundalk.

    We can go through spells where we look ok defensively, then we start to lose the ball very easily again. We spent a lot of the first two games passing aimlessly in front of the opposition midfield, but started to go wider later in the game in Cork, and looked better for it. We played wider from the start against Dundalk, and did ok at times, especially in the 2nd half when Gaffney went wide and started to hold the ball up.

    Our two main problems are that we give the ball away too easily and let the opposition have far too much time on the ball in dangerous positions.

    Our one massively main problem is that i cannot for the life of me see where goals are going to come from. We havent looked like scoring at all in any of the three games so far.

    Ah well, I might be back for the start of the season next year, hopefully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Green Giant


    Jofspring wrote: »
    1-1 and it's all Dundalk now.

    Commentary on Dundalk fm

    Is that ridiculously biased plonker still doing the commentary for them? Nearly flung my laptop out the window listening to him during the 2-2 in Oriel last year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Is that ridiculously biased plonker still doing the commentary for them? Nearly flung my laptop out the window listening to him during the 2-2 in Oriel last year

    Ya they are fairly biased alright but funny to listen to. They can give their own lads a right bollocking too though. They spent the entire first half and some of the second half saying Meenan was useless and should be subbed off and then proceeded to give him man of the match for effort.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Only 3 or 4 spots left for the train to st.pats next Saturday. Anybody still interested in going or wants to sort out payment please pm me as soon as possible. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Maire2009


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    Does Roddy Collins fall out with everyone? Wasn't there some trouble with him and Limerick fans back when he was manager of Monaghan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Vision of Disorder


    Maire2009 wrote: »
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    Does Roddy Collins fall out with everyone? Wasn't there some trouble with him and Limerick fans back when he was manager of Monaghan?

    That hadn't much to do with Collins to be fair. He was the subject of a few unpleasant chants and local cop/Monaghan United associate (I believe he was their child protection officer or some such) Paul Oliphant threw his ample weight around and made a mountain out of a molehill. It happened with at least one other club up there around that time too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Maire2009


    That hadn't much to do with Collins to be fair. He was the subject of a few unpleasant chants and local cop/Monaghan United associate (I believe he was their child protection officer or some such) Paul Oliphant threw his ample weight around and made a mountain out of a molehill. It happened with at least one other club up there around that time too.

    Ah okay thanks - I knew something had happened but the story I heard back was probably blown out of proportion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Vision of Disorder


    Maire2009 wrote: »
    Ah okay thanks - I knew something had happened but the story I heard back was probably blown out of proportion.

    To be honest I wasn't overly impressed with the conduct of a few of the Limerick crowd that day but the whole thing was blown out of proportion, the few Limerick people who were actually hauled over the coals didn't really do anything and Roddy Collins had no direct input into anything that happened that day.

    But we won 1-0 with a glorious Paudie Quinn goal and for that night I truly believed (wrongly, as it turned out) that we were going to get promoted that season. :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    Maire2009 wrote: »
    Ah okay thanks - I knew something had happened but the story I heard back was probably blown out of proportion.

    They made a lot out of nothing, on top of some utter lies. Was a great game tho, oh Paudie Quinn


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Can't make it to Dublin today, but on a brighter note, it will be the first time I ever watch Limerick play on live tv... let's hope there's a good performance to match it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Great result today, a point up in Inchicore! I thought the performance was a lot better than the Bray game, and the Cork and Dundalk games didn't sound great either.

    Backs were to the wall at times, and Pats could have put us away, but I thought the overall performance was decent. Still struggled to create lots of chances, but we did a bit better- Duggan and Nzuzi were getting forward a bit more. We do still need to support Gaffney much better, hopefully when Curran gets back.


    Barry Ryan was immense, might have been a blessing in disguise that he had to start, the save from Forrester was brilliant, not many would have made that. Defence was strong in general, Duggan was good and McGrath finished brilliantly when we did get a really clear cut chance.


    Good stuff, need to build on that against Drogheda.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    That must have been the save of the season from Barry Ryan. incredible reflex. Great display from Oji. Need Curran back ASAP.

    The penalty decision was outrageous TBF. (was as bad as the rugby TMO's decisions tonight in T.P.)
    How can refs get these things so wrong.:o
    Apart from this the draw was well deserved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    washman3 wrote: »
    That must have been the save of the season from Barry Ryan. incredible reflex. Great display from Oji. Need Curran back ASAP.

    The penalty decision was outrageous TBF. (was as bad as the rugby TMO's decisions tonight in T.P.)
    How can refs get these things so wrong.:o
    Apart from this the draw was well deserved.

    Not wrong there. Was one of the most blatant penalty decisions you'll see... we got lucky in that regard, but it's nice to get a bit of luck. Last season we had plenty of decisions go against us, and even against Bray on the opening day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Vision of Disorder


    It was a great point and there were definitely pluses to take from it (Ryan's return, Oji's performance) but overall I'd still be a bit uneasy about us. There's a real lack of depth in the squad at the moment (hopefully to be alleviated when Leahy/Williams/Galbraith/Curran can be added in), we lack a lot of urgency and penetration going forward still and there were a couple of fairly brutal individual performances too.

    That said, it was a great moment to be there when McGrath scored. :D And I would obviously have taken 1-1 before the game! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭TheBeast17


    It was a great point and there were definitely pluses to take from it (Ryan's return, Oji's performance) but overall I'd still be a bit uneasy about us. There's a real lack of depth in the squad at the moment (hopefully to be alleviated when Leahy/Williams/Galbraith/Curran can be added in), we lack a lot of urgency and penetration going forward still and there were a couple of fairly brutal individual performances too.

    That said, it was a great moment to be there when McGrath scored. :D And I would obviously have taken 1-1 before the game! :)

    Who were the brutal individuals?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Vision of Disorder


    TheBeast17 wrote: »
    Who were the brutal individuals?

    Gaffney. His touch was terrible and he showed no initiative to run the channels. He worked hard but his decision making is poor quite a lot of the times. I rate him as a footballer and think he has a big role to play for us but I think that the current team and set up with him very isolated up front, leading the line by himself with no really natural wingers pushing up alongside him doesn't utilise him well at all. I think he'll benefit more than most from Curran returning.

    I thought Folan was poor as well. He won a few headers, lost a few headers, never got tight enough on Christy Fagan and generally left Sam Oji with an awful lot to do. Folan excels at physically pointing out where his team-mates should be while letting his own man sneak goal side of him. Again, I'd hope Leahy will ease him out of the first eleven over time.

    Those two stood out for me, Shane Tracy was fairly anonymous too for large spells of the game and McGrath didn't offer a whole lot in the first half in particular. He obviously finished excellently when he got his chance though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭TheBeast17


    Gaffney. His touch was terrible and he showed no initiative to run the channels. He worked hard but his decision making is poor quite a lot of the times. I rate him as a footballer and think he has a big role to play for us but I think that the current team and set up with him very isolated up front, leading the line by himself with no really natural wingers pushing up alongside him doesn't utilise him well at all. I think he'll benefit more than most from Curran returning.

    I thought Folan was poor as well. He won a few headers, lost a few headers, never got tight enough on Christy Fagan and generally left Sam Oji with an awful lot to do. Folan excels at physically pointing out where his team-mates should be while letting his own man sneak goal side of him. Again, I'd hope Leahy will ease him out of the first eleven over time.

    Those two stood out for me, Shane Tracy was fairly anonymous too for large spells of the game and McGrath didn't offer a whole lot in the first half in particular. He obviously finished excellently when he got his chance though.

    Yep hard to argue with what you are saying there. I personally thought Folan was ok not great but not terrible. This sytem absolutely kills Gaffney especially when the plan seems to be either full back getting it and just floating it down the line even if he gets there he has no support and nowhere to go when Curran is back id have him as the man up front with Gaffney playing off him.

    I think the system hurts Tracy a bit too as its hard to figure out where to actually play him in it to get the best out of him. Maybe when we get people back and if Prince is what he is supposed to be a change in system may come.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    In my opinion, it's not really that surprising that people have those doubts.


    Folan isn't a great player really, he's a big, strong lad and he's good at dealing with high balls usually and defending set-pieces. But at tracking clever, pacy runners... not so much. Not the best on the ball either, although he's improving at that at least.

    Tracy, for me, should be left-back or left-wing, ineffective elsewhere unless he gets the chance to shoot. Crossing and shooting are his two best abilities, ideally we'd get him in a position where he can do those things more often.

    McGrath didn't excel in the first division tbh, interesting that he's being used now after being ignored pretty much all of last year. Maybe he'll come good, he's still very young. Obviously has technical ability, bit small, and may find it hard to shine in this system.... there doesn't really seemed to be defined positions for the 2 other attacking players.


    I didn't think Gaffney was brutal, thought he tried his best considering the circumstances, he was up against it. He's a good player and will be key to any success we do have this year. He's the best finisher in the squad too, it's madness that he's basically had no shots to date, we should be trying to get him into shooting positions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭TheBeast17


    What is a bit worrying is there seems to be more players that the system doesn't suit then there is that it does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    TheBeast17 wrote: »
    What is a bit worrying is there seems to be more players that the system doesn't suit then there is that it does.

    Well yeah... what players does it suit???


    It doesn't get the best out of Gaffney, Curran, Tracy, Galbraith, Coughlan... maybe you could argue Duggan & Nzuzi, but having not seen them in another system with us, I couldn't judge. It suits the backs I guess... but I don't think the defence would be a problem in other systems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Vision of Disorder


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Folan isn't a great player really, he's a big, strong lad and he's good at dealing with high balls usually and defending set-pieces. But at tracking clever, pacy runners... not so much. Not the best on the ball either, although he's improving at that at least.

    Agree with most of this though he loses a lot of headers for such a tall guy too. I think he'd more effective if he was more aware of his own limitations but he's still being quoted in the press as talking about going back to England. I don't begrudge anybody a bit of ambition but he'd want to up his game considerably.
    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Tracy, for me, should be left-back or left-wing, ineffective elsewhere unless he gets the chance to shoot. Crossing and shooting are his two best abilities, ideally we'd get him in a position where he can do those things more often.

    Shane is definitely a natural wide player but I think the problem there is that even though he is young he's suffered from some bad injuries already in his career and, as a result, neither his pace or his general mobility are the best. This is covered up somewhat at least in a five man midfield I suppose. In terms of technique and footballing intelligence he's too good to consider dropping.
    Fireball07 wrote: »
    McGrath didn't excel in the first division tbh, interesting that he's being used now after being ignored pretty much all of last year. Maybe he'll come good, he's still very young. Obviously has technical ability, bit small, and may find it hard to shine in this system.... there doesn't really seemed to be defined positions for the 2 other attacking players.

    McGrath did ok in spells in the First Division and I'd rate him far, far ahead of Coughlan but he is small and it'll be interesting to see how he develops. Could go either way. Finished his chance well the other day anyway.
    Fireball07 wrote: »
    I didn't think Gaffney was brutal, thought he tried his best considering the circumstances, he was up against it. He's a good player and will be key to any success we do have this year. He's the best finisher in the squad too, it's madness that he's basically had no shots to date, we should be trying to get him into shooting positions.

    He did try very hard against Pats but that was never the issue. I thought he was very ineffective though that is tempered heavily by the lack of support he got and I'm not wholly blaming him for it. That said he didn't show enough variety or movement and his touch was shocking at times. He remains a key player for us but I'd hope he's pushed wider again when Curran comes back. Curran has far more guile and nous about him to lead the line and Rory can get back to running up and down the wing, dribbling when the opportunity presents itself and shooting/crossing as applicable when the dribbling doesn't bamboozle himself as well as the opposition.

    I think the biggest general problem for us has been that the central three have been seemingly reluctant to support the striker and wide players. I wouldn't want all three bursting forward as one obviously but there's a huge gap between our lines at times that is both hurting our attack and giving the opposition time and space to start theirs at their leisure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    I'm a bit more optimistic for this Friday. There are definitely flaws in the team but the only thing Drogheda have to offer is their two centre forwards. If we can stay as solid as the last game at the back then they are there for the taking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    A terrible result last night. But I thought the performance was actually okay, we created chances at least. Really frustrating that we didn't take them, and sometimes we can be a bit impatient.


    The goal was an awful one to concede, so scrappy. Barry Ryan was immense again, made a few brilliant saves, and Drogheda seemed to walk through the middle easily enough. But it was an open match, we had chances too.

    How did Dave Ryan save that header? It was a fantastic cross and I was sure any touch would direct into the goal. Kelly had a chance far right after a wonderful bit of skill from Gaffney, Duggan missed a one-on-one, McManus put the ball in the net but was offside and there were a few other half-chances.


    Ref was really poor, the one where Dave Ryan dropped a high ball and he blew a free was ridiculous imo. Folan had a shocker, just everything he did was poor. I'd say Ryan was our best player, Gaffney did some good things but can still be infuriating, Kelly was decent, Duggan was decent but should have scored. Curran was very good from the bench, uses his body very well.



    The Gaffney piece of skill was ridiculous, looked so awkward, but he pulled it off and it would have been a class goal if it had gone in. I still don't understand why he plays Tracy in the middle rather than left-back, everything good he did came on the left-hand side and the game passes him by in the centre. Similarly, Nzuzi slows down the game by cutting inside onto his right every time and he has the pace and energy to play in the middle, would also offer something different. Our midfield was brushed aside too easily yesterday, not by great players, just by more physical players.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭TheBeast17


    Fireball07 wrote: »


    The Gaffney piece of skill was ridiculous, looked so awkward, but he pulled it off and it would have been a class goal if it had gone in. I still don't understand why he plays Tracy in the middle rather than left-back, everything good he did came on the left-hand side and the game passes him by in the centre. Similarly, Nzuzi slows down the game by cutting inside onto his right every time and he has the pace and energy to play in the middle, would also offer something different. Our midfield was brushed aside too easily yesterday, not by great players, just by more physical players.

    Nzuzi has been poor in the games he has played in the middle imo. We don't have enough good midfielders Duggan is very good after that id question if we have anyone good enough to be in there with him.

    Darragh Rainsford has no business playing LOI football.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    It all boils down to the fact we miss Joe Gamble, we don't have a real leader in the middle, and we've nobody willing to do the dirty hard work...Bring back Joe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭Our Brian


    Bring back Joe ! are you serious, we have bigger problems than that.How about we bring in a manager who knows league of Ireland, because Taylor sure does'nt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    TheBeast17 wrote: »
    Nzuzi has been poor in the games he has played in the middle imo. We don't have enough good midfielders Duggan is very good after that id question if we have anyone good enough to be in there with him.

    Darragh Rainsford has no business playing LOI football.

    I thought he looked good in the middle against Pats, and Tracy has been poor in midfield too. Tracy is just not a midfielder, it's not his fault. He is a left-sided player and has to play there, it's madness.


    I think you're a bit harsh on Rainsford... I think he has a lot of talent, we're not getting the most out of it atm though.


    I think a McManus/Gaffney/Curran front trio is the way forward though, the two lads were impressive from the bench.


    Hopefully Leahy will be fit soon, and Galbraith. And hopefully we see Prince get a few mins at some stage, if he's any good.


    Duggan is a quality footballer, I think he's a better midfielder than Gamble for sure. But he's trying to do it all on his own too much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭TheBeast17


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    I thought he looked good in the middle against Pats, and Tracy has been poor in midfield too. Tracy is just not a midfielder, it's not his fault. He is a left-sided player and has to play there, it's madness.


    I think you're a bit harsh on Rainsford... I think he has a lot of talent, we're not getting the most out of it atm though.


    I think a McManus/Gaffney/Curran front trio is the way forward though, the two lads were impressive from the bench.


    Hopefully Leahy will be fit soon, and Galbraith. And hopefully we see Prince get a few mins at some stage, if he's any good.


    Duggan is a quality footballer, I think he's a better midfielder than Gamble for sure. But he's trying to do it all on his own too much.

    Nzuzi was on the right against Pats though not in the middle. But I would rather him there than Tracy atm. Do you drop Tracy then or put him left back ahead of Williams? I think Williams is a better left back than him.

    Rainsford has had at most 3 good games since last season and has done absolutely nothing at all in the rest. I can't see what he offers at all loses the ball the majority of the time he is on it pulls out of tackles and doesn't take people on. Don't want to be so harsh but I honestly don't see what he adds at all.

    I agree with the front 3 id have Tam up top with he others either side. Duggan is a very good player but he is in a midfield 3 where he is the only one that is good enough he has to try do others jobs as well as h is own.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,734 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    UCD 1-1 Limerick

    We needed a 92nd minute equaliser to get a point.

    Table:


    (sorry, don't know how to format the table properly, maybe a mod can help)


    Cork City 5 4 1 0 9 13
    Drogheda 5 3 2 0 5 11
    Shamrock 5 3 1 1 3 10
    Dundalk 5 3 1 1 2 10
    U.C.D 5 2 1 2 -1 7
    Bohemians 5 1 3 1 1 6
    Derry City 5 1 3 1 0 6
    St. Pats 5 1 3 1 -2 6
    Bray 5 1 2 2 -3 5
    Limerick 5 0 3 2 -2 3
    Sligo Rov 5 1 0 4 -3 3
    Athlone 5 0 0 5 -9 0


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Soulcrew09


    Slowly improving and deserved at least a point up in UCD, 2 good peno claims turned down and another 'goal' ruled offside (surprised they stuck 5 past Bray last week) Oji was rock solid again, Robbie Williams had a fine game and Prince had a decent 1st half (subbed early in the second) brought on Curran and McManus in the 2nd half again this week. Hope to see them starting soon.

    That said they need 2 wingers and a striker still.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭TheBeast17


    Its not a good sign to have to scrape a draw against UCD really is it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭ShatterProof


    Mondays game is postponed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Vision of Disorder


    Thought the game Friday was the story of our season all over again. Look ok in defence, rubbish in attack, eventually concede, panic for 10-15 minutes, start to play attacking football with a modicum of purpose far too late. Draw was fair.

    Barry Ryan was very good overall again though a few kickouts fell quite short. Williams was fairly decent for the most part, Oji immense, Folan better than last couple of games but still made a couple of silly errors at times. Nzuzi was proper rank and UCD exploited it. Ben Mohommed was going past him for fun until he went off injured and then UCD simply switched Chris Mulhall and his haircut over to our right side to do the same. Nzuzi fancies himself as a player a bit too and got caught in possession needlessly at times. Prince was caught on the ball a couple of times too but showed signs that he is a player. Duggan had a few moments but not his best game for us. Jay Hughes worked extremely hard and was lively and looking for the ball throughout. Shane Tracy was fairly anonymous, I'd worry slightly that he's just not able to keep up to the pace of the game. McGrath was ok, Williams needed to help him out quite a lot though. Gaffney did his usual combo of sublime and ridiculous. Off the bench Curran made a difference and it was nice to see Tam getting a bit more time too.

    We were probably a little better than against Drogheda and didn't give possession away quite so recklessly but we still looked very flat, midfield was still too slow to get forward and support attacks and there was a real reluctance to get the ball into the box from out wide (possibly allayed to the lack of bodies we tended to have in there). Hard to take too much encouragement from it either though aside from the fact that they kept going til the very end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭TheBeast17


    Thought the game Friday was the story of our season all over again. Look ok in defence, rubbish in attack, eventually concede, panic for 10-15 minutes, start to play attacking football with a modicum of purpose far too late. Draw was fair.

    Barry Ryan was very good overall again though a few kickouts fell quite short. Williams was fairly decent for the most part, Oji immense, Folan better than last couple of games but still made a couple of silly errors at times. Nzuzi was proper rank and UCD exploited it. Ben Mohommed was going past him for fun until he went off injured and then UCD simply switched Chris Mulhall and his haircut over to our right side to do the same. Nzuzi fancies himself as a player a bit too and got caught in possession needlessly at times. Prince was caught on the ball a couple of times too but showed signs that he is a player. Duggan had a few moments but not his best game for us. Jay Hughes worked extremely hard and was lively and looking for the ball throughout. Shane Tracy was fairly anonymous, I'd worry slightly that he's just not able to keep up to the pace of the game. McGrath was ok, Williams needed to help him out quite a lot though. Gaffney did his usual combo of sublime and ridiculous. Off the bench Curran made a difference and it was nice to see Tam getting a bit more time too.

    We were probably a little better than against Drogheda and didn't give possession away quite so recklessly but we still looked very flat, midfield was still too slow to get forward and support attacks and there was a real reluctance to get the ball into the box from out wide (possibly allayed to the lack of bodies we tended to have in there). Hard to take too much encouragement from it either though aside from the fact that they kept going til the very end.

    Same with the majority of the games he has played for us since we have gone up. How long does it go on before his set pieces are outweighed by the fact he offers nothing else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Vision of Disorder


    TheBeast17 wrote: »
    Same with the majority of the games he has played for us since we have gone up. How long does it go on before his set pieces are outweighed by the fact he offers nothing else.

    Yeah I'm starting to think he's just not physically able to keep up with the pace of the game in the Premier unfortunately. His mobility is poor, his injuries earlier in his career have really limited his movement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    I'm going to the bang the same drum as always. Tracy is always anonymous in a midfield role and on the right because that's not his position. He's a left-back and that's all. He should play there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭TheBeast17


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    I'm going to the bang the same drum as always. Tracy is always anonymous in a midfield role and on the right because that's not his position. He's a left-back and that's all. He should play there.

    Hes not better than Williams there though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Vision of Disorder


    TheBeast17 wrote: »
    Hes not better than Williams there though.

    I think he's too slow to excel there these days too (even if he was a better full back than Williams, which he's not) and could be horribly exposed against a quick winger or even a slow, tricky one. I can understand why he was tried in a central midfield three where there'd be others around to make up for his lack of pace and movement but I'm not sure I see a place where he's a natural fit now (maybe as a left winger in an old school 4-4-2 with an adventurous full back behind him but I wouldn't be changing the system completely to fit him either).


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