Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

miss no stars

I can see both sides of this. I have tickets to one night, parents going to another. I also have an elderly uncle living on clonliffe avenue.

I wouldn't like to see the concerts cancelled, but, I do think the residents are getting a very raw deal here. My uncle, like many of his neighbours, live in what has been the family home since about 1925-1930 or so... Claiming they shouldn't have decided to live there is ridiculous, they (and their families) have lived there since it was the outskirts! They're going to have 400,000 people having the craic outside their HOMES. They'll be blocked in, emergency access won't be there, people will piss in their gardens and leave their litter everywhere. Old people will be terrified and thats not an exaggeration. And while the GAA and Garth brooks make their money, they get a few tickets to raffle between themselves. Wonderful.

I think a fair solution would be to give residents parking permits and operate a strict tow-away-immediately policy for non-permit vehicles, provide ample security along every road in the area to prevent the anti-social behaviour, find somewhere to operate a park and ride system for concert go-ers, plenty of litter patrols every day and then when it's all over, have a party for the residents. Some food and drink, bouncy castle for the kids and a decent donation to the community centre. Croke park KNOW the issues that arise and its well within their ability to seriously reduce these problems. Yet time and time again, they don't address them. I can only presume that anyone who can't see the side of the residents has never been in or near the area during a sell-out event, or was too drunk to notice what was going on.

roadsmart

MY complaint (and many of my neighbours)is about parking, so yes, there ARE complaints about parking.

Potatoeman

roadsmart wrote: »

MY complaint (and many of my neighbours)is about parking, so yes, there ARE complaints about parking.

Are you parking in the street or on your own property?

roadsmart

Potatoeman wrote: »

Are you parking in the street or on your own property?

What has that got to do with anything? The issue is bad parking making access impossible for emergency vehicles, but just to satisfy your curiosity I have a driveway.

padd b1975

Organisers are not ruling out a sixth night according to the Irish Independent....

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Ah they're on the wind up now. Definitely.

Mrs Garth Brooks

padd b1975 wrote: »

Organisers are not ruling out a sixth night according to the Irish Independent....

Woo hoo, im up for it.

doolox

...and donate any profits to the neighbours of Croke Park as a goodwill gesture.

Can't see that happening.

super_furry

Five days is simply too much to ask of the residents. Three is the maximum allowed without extra applications and that should be adhered to. I honestly think Aiken will either have to dig deep into their pockets for the residents or see one of the gigs cancelled.

wedger

I live beside croke park. My house practically faces Hill 16. I love the buzz the excitement when there is an event on. Match days are great with all the colour in the area. I have no objection to 3 concerts going on. Now thats three in total for the year.

I dont finish work till after 6 collect my little lad and head home. The area will be in lock down. I wont be able to get my car in. I wont be able to sleep with 5 nights of sh1te blaring through my windows never mind the 3 nights of One Erection.
My 1 year old will be kept awake while the GARDA chopper hovers overhead for an hour or more after the gig.
I will have to stand in my garden to stop those at the concerts using it as a place to take a p1ss on the way out. Or as my neighbour had during Take That one fella thinking it was great craic to p1ss in his letter box.
When it was reported to the Gardai they were too busy to act.

These are just some of the things I will have to put up with.

Ye will all come enjoy ur few hours with Garth "Bucks" and trundle off home quite contented but I'll have an irate 1 yr old who cant sleep. I'll be wrecked tired each day at work. I wont be able to come and go freely from my home... yes MY HOME where I and my family should feel safe and comfortable at all times.

As I said I have no problem with 3 gigs maybe 4 a year hey its a stadium thats what they do. BUt now they're pushing towards 9... sorry thats a bit over the top.

Next week I'm going to the stadium Directors house to blare music in his windows till all hours take a sh1t in his garden and prevent him or his kids from moving safely and freely in their community!!!

Potatoeman

roadsmart wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything? The issue is bad parking making access impossible for emergency vehicles, but just to satisfy your curiosity I have a driveway.

I lived in the area myself and had no issues and havnt seen what you mentioned. The clampers are around during events too. Blocking access should not be an issue with all the gardai around too.

roadsmart

What's your point? You lived on a street it didn't happen in, I live on one that it does, at every busy event in Croker. Are you saying I'm imagining it? It has been going on for years, and in fairness DCC have tried a couple of things so far, but during an event the Gardai and clampers are in reality much too busy to deal with it all the time. As soon as they tow one, another replaces it.

mrmorgan

most of these people are living here since childhood, so they should have a say in what goes on

suicide_circus

If you wanna live beside an 80,000 seater stadium

Youre gonna have a bad time

Gatling

This reminds me of rathcoole residents complaining about the noise of planes and helicopters taking off and landing at baldonnel aerodrome and demanding the aircorp reduce all activities to suit there needs ,

Wonder what all the local businesses who probably see a huge increase in the taking on concerts days think of a blanket ban on events

Mrs Garth Brooks

Croke Park is about a 15 minute walk from the City.

Dublin has good public transport. What's the problem with more buses and trains? And there will be.

In fact, you can register your interest on irishrail for more trains on the day of the gigs.

http://www.irishrail.ie/cat_news.jsp?i=4985&p=116&n=237

I dont see an issue regarding transport. Surely anyone that bought tickets and plan on driving would realise that parking would be a b!tch and leave the car at home.

There must be some park and ride places up there too. Park the car and get a bus.

As for litter, we're not all dirty bunch of idiots. If I cant find a bin, I always put my rubbish into my bag until I do.

And im certainly not going to be dropping my pants to wee on someone's lawn and with 80000 people passing me.

And im not going to get drunk and causing havoc. So we're not all drunken idiots.

5 nights, so what?

What do people expect, they cancel their flights, hotels, etc.

Where else can they hold a concert for 80000 people for five nights ?

Thomand park holds something like 25000 people.

Would he not have to play 16 nights to satisfy 400000 fans. Thats ok pass on the problem.

roadsmart

roadsmart wrote: »

I doubt very much wether you've been on every road in the vicinity. I can assure you it happens on every occasion.

How many times in the last 20 years has a house gone on fire or someone needed emergency services and failed to get the assistance they needed due to a match in croker or a concert?

wedger wrote: »

I dont finish work till after 6 collect my little lad and head home. The area will be in lock down. I wont be able to get my car in. I wont be able to sleep with 5 nights of sh1te blaring through my windows never mind the 3 nights of One Erection.
My 1 year old will be kept awake while the GARDA chopper hovers overhead for an hour or more after the gig.
I will have to stand in my garden to stop those at the concerts using it as a place to take a p1ss on the way out. Or as my neighbour had during Take That one fella thinking it was great craic to p1ss in his letter box.
When it was reported to the Gardai they were too busy to act.

These are just some of the things I will have to put up with.

Ye will all come enjoy ur few hours with Garth "Bucks" and trundle off home quite contented but I'll have an irate 1 yr old who cant sleep. I'll be wrecked tired each day at work. I wont be able to come and go freely from my home... yes MY HOME where I and my family should feel safe and comfortable at all times.

As I said I have no problem with 3 gigs maybe 4 a year hey its a stadium thats what they do. BUt now they're pushing towards 9... sorry thats a bit over the top.

Next week I'm going to the stadium Directors house to blare music in his windows till all hours take a sh1t in his garden and prevent him or his kids from moving safely and freely in their community!!!

Unless you are going to bed extremely early I can't see how your sleep will be effected as there won't be music played passed 11pm. As for a 1 year old, a child of that age would sleep anywhere I doubt it would keep them awake.

And anyway it's only for a few days, people have no tolerence to any inconvenience anymore. Will a couple of days in work feeling tired really bother you that much or extra traffic around.

From what I have seen residents are not prevented from driving to their homes either multiple cars are let passed the barriers anytime I'm walking to Croke park.

happyoutscan

Some of the comments against the residents are ridiculous.

I'd go absolutely mental too if I had to witness 5 days of Smithwick's chugging denim-clad good'ol'boys and gals having a raucous knee-slapping time.

Can't believe the amount of tickets this geezer sold anyway. Oh well, everyone to their own I guess.

bumper234

suicide_circus wrote: »

If you wanna live beside an 80,000 seater stadium

Youre gonna have a bad time

What if you are living there since the 60's and there was only a few GAA matches player per year.

Mrs Garth Brooks

bumper234 wrote: »

What if you are living there since the 60's and there was only a few GAA matches player per year.

We're not living in the 60's. Move with the times.

RiverOfLove

The anti social crap after a concert wou be a symptom of alcohol drinking.

I don't drink at concerts myself because I don't want to ruin something I enjoy by coming away falling about the place, getting sick, having a cloudy mind and forgetting my experience, and then spending the next day, sick in bed.

I'd say more fans would be the same as me, having no drink or something very limited.

As for the rest of people who get filled with booze at concerts - why can't alcohol be banned or limited at concerts? As far as I known, there won't be any alcohol allowed on the pitch at the concerts.

stinkle

The stadium has only been 80,000 capacity since redevelopment started in the 90s. I'm not even 30 and remember the ODD gig taking place there. Not a 5-in-a-row "event". It's not just a bunch of people complaining who moved there in the last 15-20 years and are suddenly surprised that a big stadium in the area is being used. There's no precedent for so many high capacity concerts, and if the residents roll over now then they'll be screwed the next time.

RiverOfLove

RiverOfLove wrote: »

The anti social crap after a concert wou be a symptom of alcohol drinking.

I don't drink at concerts myself because I want to ruin something I enjoy by coming away falling about the place, getting sick, having a cloudy mind and forgetting my experience, and then spending the next day, sick in bed.

I'd say more fans would be the same as me, having no drink or something very limited.

As for the rest of people who get filled with booze at concerts - why can't alcohol be banned or limited at concerts? As far as I known, there won't be any alcohol allowed on the pitch at the concerts.

Please, it's a social occasion and it's enhanced even more by a few drinks. I doubt they will be stopping people drinking on the pitch, I've never seen that happen at a concert before and I won't be happy either if I can't drink on the pitch I can tell you.

Mrs Garth Brooks

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Please, it's a social occasion and it's enhanced even more by a few drinks. I doubt they will be stopping people drinking on the pitch, I've never seen that happen at a concert before and I won't be happy either if I can't drink on the pitch I can tell you.

Well I can tell you that I wont be touching a drop of alcohol. You dont need it to have a good time. Aren't you there for the music. If not, go to a pub.

roadsmart

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

How many times in the last 20 years has a house gone on fire or someone needed emergency services and failed to get the assistance they needed due to a match in croker or a concert?

As far as I'm aware it hasn't happened yet. Are you using that fact to suggest that it can't happen, that my fears are groundless?
If so, this qualifies for idiotic post of the month.

miss no stars

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

Croke Park is about a 15 minute walk from the City.

Dublin has good public transport. What's the problem with more buses and trains? And there will be.

In fact, you can register your interest on irishrail for more trains on the day of the gigs.

http://www.irishrail.ie/cat_news.jsp?i=4985&p=116&n=237

I dont see an issue regarding transport. Surely anyone that bought tickets and plan on driving would realise that parking would be a b!tch and leave the car at home.

There must be some park and ride places up there too. Park the car and get a bus.

As for litter, we're not all dirty bunch of idiots. If I cant find a bin, I always put my rubbish into my bag until I do.

And im certainly not going to be dropping my pants to wee on someone's lawn and with 80000 people passing me.

And im not going to get drunk and causing havoc. So we're not all drunken idiots.

5 nights, so what?

What do people expect, they cancel their flights, hotels, etc.

Where else can they hold a concert for 80000 people for five nights ?

Thomand park holds something like 25000 people.

Would he not have to play 16 nights to satisfy 400000 fans. Thats ok pass on the problem.

You just don't get it. People do drive, they block residents in, park illegaly and in such a way as access to local roads is blocked.

People do get drunk and litter and piss in peoples gardens.

It's attitudes like yours that make residents come out looking for the gigs to be cancelled. Yeah, they live by a stadium. Many of them live in houses that have been in the family for decades and didn't move in next to Croke Park as it is now with sell out concerts 5 nights in a row. They DO have an agreement with the GAA for 3 concerts a year. They didn't get upset when they added 2 more Garth Brooks concerts. Or even a third. It was the 5th in a row that got to them.

I can understand residents being upset. As you said, it's perfectly easy for people to get there by public transport. Park and ride should be simple - the GAA has plenty of pitches that could be used for parking and having a shuttle bus too and from. They could employ lots of extra security to make sure that local people don't have their letter boxes pissed into, don't have litter dropped everywhere, that people do keep moving and that only residents park in the residents areas during the concerts.

Maybe if the GAA weren't consistently giving the residents the two fingered salute during events there wouldn't be this issue. Which is what you're doing by the way. Feck them anyway, I want to have my fun. Your attitude does no favours for having concerts there.

Ya know how this can be fixed? People waking up and realising that yea, there is a problem here. It needs to be addressed. How do we address it?

bumper234

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

We're not living in the 60's. Move with the times.

So people who have lived there ALL their lives should move just so people can go to concerts? :rolleyes:

Gatling

bumper234 wrote: »

So people who have lived there ALL their lives should move just so people can go to concerts? :rolleyes:

Ear plugs

Better curtains so they don't have to look out the windows

I hear the burren is quite this time of year

Xavi6

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

We're not living in the 60's. Move with the times.

Bit ironic seeing as you're trying to relive 1997

miss no stars

Gatling wrote: »

Ear plugs

Better curtains so they don't have to look out the windows

I hear the burren is quite this time of year

And the litter? And anti-social behaviour? And access issues? And being basically fenced in for a week?

I think you'll find that most of the issues aren't with the concerts themselves.

HardLuckWoman

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

Well I can tell you that I wont be touching a drop of alcohol. You dont need it to have a good time. Aren't you there for the music. If not, go to a pub.

I plan on having some drinks before, during and after like I have at any concert I've been too. Makes the event all the better imo.

roadsmart wrote: »

As far as I'm aware it hasn't happened yet. Are you using that fact to suggest that it can't happen, that my fears are groundless?
If so, this qualifies for idiotic post of the month.

I can't say it definitely won't happen, but the chance of it happening are very very small. Hich is proven by the fact it hasn't happened before.

Gatling

miss no stars wrote: »

And the litter? And anti-social behaviour? And access issues? And being basically fenced in for a week?

I think you'll find that most of the issues aren't with the concerts themselves.

Anti social behavior happens all over the country 7 nights a week ,
As for the litter i take the local authorities provide clean up services and empty bins ,
I get the feeling a lot of the complaints are made up to sound worse than they are for sympathy ,

This is all down to €€€€€€

roadsmart

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

I can't say it definitely won't happen, but the chance of it happening are very very small. Hich is proven by the fact it hasn't happened before.

I was wrong. This is the idiotic post winner.

miss no stars

Gatling wrote: »

Anti social behavior happens all over the country 7 nights a week ,
As for the litter i take the local authorities provide clean up services and empty bins ,
I get the feeling a lot of the complaints are made up to sound worse than they are for sympathy ,

This is all down to €€€€€€

ffs, there'll be an extra 80,000 people going through a residential area for 5 nights in a row and you're trying to claim it's no different to any other night? Get a grip. And the 400,000 in question will be in high spirits, a good few will have had a bit to drink. They WILL be dropping more litter, there WILL be more anti-social behaviour. Sure most will be just having a bit of merriment, but a significant minority behave badly at these events. It's not about emptying bins, btw, a lot of people will be walking along and just drop their litter without even attempting to find a bin. They need to provide extra bins for the whole surrounding area and then do a patrol and pick up the litter that's been strewn around by concert go-ers.

It's not down to €€€€€€, it's because of people being entirely dismissive of (and ignorant to) the residents trying to LIVE there while everyone else has their fun.

whats_my_name

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

Well I can tell you that I wont be touching a drop of alcohol. You dont need it to have a good time. Aren't you there for the music. If not, go to a pub.

It's okay RA.. that now means there's only a possibility of 399,999 drunk peopke to deal with... people are seriously deluded if they thinl that there won't be any anti social behaviour to deal with at this concert!!

roadsmart

miss no stars wrote: »

ffs, there'll be an extra 80,000 people going through a residential area for 5 nights in a row and you're trying to claim it's no different to any other night? Get a grip. And the 400,000 in question will be in high spirits, a good few will have had a bit to drink. They WILL be dropping more litter, there WILL be more anti-social behaviour. Sure most will be just having a bit of merriment, but a significant minority behave badly at these events. It's not about emptying bins, btw, a lot of people will be walking along and just drop their litter without even attempting to find a bin. They need to provide extra bins for the whole surrounding area and then do a patrol and pick up the litter that's been strewn around by concert go-ers.

It's not down to €€€€€€, it's because of people being entirely dismissive of (and ignorant to) the residents trying to LIVE there while everyone else has their fun.

I get the feeling gatling troll is trolling.

VinLieger

This from residents who sell water out of their front gardens for 10 quid a pop?

Get over you selves. Anyone whos lived there since the 60s may have a right to be annoyed but that vast majority of these house have been bought and sold in the last twenty years so any of those who complain have absolutely no right to as they should have been aware of the potential situation

bumper234

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Well said. As if 80,000 people multiply by 5 go about behaving like dogs sh1tting and pissing in peoples lawns.

1.5 Million people in Dublin, are you saying there is no anti social behavior at all? It only takes a few to **** it up.

RiverOfLove

Gatling wrote: »

Anti social behavior happens all over the country 7 nights a week ,
As for the litter i take the local authorities provide clean up services and empty bins ,
I get the feeling a lot of the complaints are made up to sound worse than they are for sympathy ,

This is all down to €€€€€€

Well said. As if 80,000 people multiplied by 5 will go about behaving like dogs sh1tting and pissing into peoples lawns.

Potatoeman

roadsmart wrote: »

What's your point? You lived on a street it didn't happen in, I live on one that it does, at every busy event in Croker. Are you saying I'm imagining it? It has been going on for years, and in fairness DCC have tried a couple of things so far, but during an event the Gardai and clampers are in reality much too busy to deal with it all the time. As soon as they tow one, another replaces it.

Thats individuals. Do you want events cancelled because some people break parking rules?
Most of the issues people have are things that happen anywhere in the city anyway.

roadsmart

Potatoeman wrote: »

Thats individuals. Do you want events cancelled because some people break parking rules?
Most of the issues people have are things that happen anywhere in the city anyway.

Please point out where I said I wanted an event cancelled? I said the parking issue should be sorted. DCC, the Gardai and croke park have all acknowledged it to be a major problem in the area. Maybe you should contact them and let them know it's just individuals, they can cancel all of their contingency plans.

Gannicus

stinkle wrote: »

There's no precedent for so many high capacity concerts, and if the residents roll over now then they'll be screwed the next time.

I totally agree with this more than anything else in the thread. They need to stand together. Especially now in this climate, people can't just up sticks and move at the drop of a hat.

I'm not sure if I am correct in saying this (maybe someone living locally can correct me) but I worked in Croker about 5-6 year ago and from what I remember every address get put in a lotto and then they win 2 measley tickets for a house of maybe 4 or 5 etc. Wow 2 tickets for people that may have 2 or 3 kids what a gesture.

There needs to be a limit on it and/or a stricter curfew on the noise. I know it sounds mad but 10:00pm or 10:30pm for a gig to be over means people are not totally gone till at least 11:00pm - 11:30pm somewhere like Croker that makes a big difference when people are trying to sleep or put kids to bed.

I'm sure it can be worked out that it can be beneficial to both the residents and the G.A.A. etc.

Potatoeman

Gatling wrote: »

Anti social behavior happens all over the country 7 nights a week ,
As for the litter i take the local authorities provide clean up services and empty bins ,
I get the feeling a lot of the complaints are made up to sound worse than they are for sympathy ,

This is all down to €€€€€€

They have cleaners out as soon as the events are over. The only issue I had when living there was crowds for thirty minutes before and after events. I would just avoid leaving around that time.

There are way too many complaints. This is the city no some quite suburb. I was more disturbed by people speeding down Jones road and reving their engines after midnight but thats normal city stuff.

Psychobabble

Just another point of clarification; this discussion that has been going on regarding long-term residents and more recent buyers in the area is totally moot. Anyone who bought near Croke Park more recently would have perused the planning permissions for Croke Park, which stipulate 3 events per year, there is no proviso for the proposed 5 extra (even excluding the American football) events this year. So no, residents who bought more recently did so in the expectation that the law would be adhered to. If a stand isn't made now, what's to prevent Croke Park and concert promoters putting on as many concerts as they want each year. This is the reason civil society has such agreements as planning laws, to balance the needs of groups within society.

WallyGUFC

If some randomer decided to park in my driveway, they'd have serious trouble finding their car afterwards! Such a scummy thing to do.

Potatoeman

roadsmart wrote: »

Please point out where I said I wanted an event cancelled? I said the parking issue should be sorted. DCC, the Gardai and croke park have all acknowledged it to be a major problem in the area. Maybe you should contact them and let them know it's just individuals, they can cancel all of their contingency plans.

I asked if thats what you wanted. I wasnt putting words in your mouth.

I lived accross the road from the stadium and didnt have issues with events. It just normal city life as far as Im concerned.

Irish Aris

right. . . this thread becomes more absurd by the minute.
I wouldn't know the exact issues of the residents. I do know from two people (1 friend, 1 colleague) living in the area (off Clonliffe road, 2-3 minutes from Croke Park) that on a day Croke Park has an event (any kind of event), they are practically stuck in their apartments. Like someone said, it's a dozen sports events a year and 3 (three) concerts a year, so they get a hassle for 15-20 days a year and know that they have to deal with it - I would probably have the same mindset, if I was leaving there.

Now, the concerts are up from 3 to 8 in one year. I am pretty sure the additional 5 (Garth Brooks) concerts will be licensed. That, for me, opens a can of worms. Next year, the 8 concerts can easily go up to, say, 12. Then. . .who knows. . .sky's the limit.
At this stage, I don't think there is much to be done. My opinion is that the concerts have to go through. If the state want to control this, they could do it by, say, having the promoters clear any licensing issues before any tickets go on sale. Not sure if this is possible or agrees with local rules and regulations (I am a foreigner), in Greece where I come from the system pretty much works like that.

As for the comment regarding emergency situations (how rare they happen), sorry but I couldn't disagree more. You don't wait for something really bad to happen in order to take measures. Health and safety comes (or at least should come) first. Again I think there are ways to deal with it (e.g. not allow any traffic in a certain area around Croke Park on event days - only local residents who, if I'm not mistaken, can have a special permit).

Santa Cruz

roadsmart wrote: »

I doubt very much wether you've been on every road in the vicinity. I can assure you it happens on every occasion.

How many fatalities have there been as a result of these "delays"

Exactly.

Santa Cruz

roadsmart wrote: »

As far as I'm aware it hasn't happened yet. Are you using that fact to suggest that it can't happen, that my fears are groundless?
If so, this qualifies for idiotic post of the month.

What about if a tiger escapes from the zoo and hides in Ballybough flats?
or aliens land in Clonliffe road? The risks are endless

stinkle

stinkle wrote: »

There's no precedent for so many high capacity concerts, and if the residents roll over now then they'll be screwed the next time.

I don't think there is any danger of the concerts being cancelled as at the end of the day the residents have no real power to stop them.