Nurse aren't worth the minimum wage?

Frank Lee Midere

moxin wrote: »

What job recognises the quality of being "good"? Not many I bet.

Its a capitalist society, if you're good at your job you get better pay. If you don't like it get another job probably in a another profession.

As I said earlier, it was obvious since about '07 that there was no future in nursing due to ongoing cutbacks. These people should try another career if they want to stay.

Nurses are not operating in a capitalist society. Neither are doctors. In a full free market both these professions would be paid more - doctors in the US can earn millions. The best nurses would be paid accordingly too. That's why socialist health care is cheaper than private healthcare - the workers are taking a hit.

jiminho

I don't really understand what the problem is. Most graduates in the workforce earn between 20 and 26k so nurses would be rite in that bracket. Every job has their pros and cons, and there salary will increase as they gain experience, just like everyone else. Why exactly should nurses receive more money than an engineer, teacher etc of similar experience?

Y2KBOS86

crockholm wrote: »

The most that they will do on 12 hour shifts would be 3 in a week,perhaps 4.
And lets be honest,it's not that often that they will work 12 hours without any break.Once in a blue moon really.

****ing Nurses do **** all most of the time.

Care Assistants do all the work, most Nurses are under educated Doctors.

Giving out tablets and sitting on there ass most of the time, while Care Assistants are dealing with patients, lifting them out beds, washing them, feeding them, wiping there ass.

While Nurse is standing there with a pen in her ****ing mouth.

**** them

JackF1

crockholm wrote: »

The most that they will do on 12 hour shifts would be 3 in a week,perhaps 4.
And lets be honest,it's not that often that they will work 12 hours without any break.Once in a blue moon really.

Yeh I must also add all those IT graduates and Scientists are helping to save lives daily.

Phoebas

steddyeddy wrote: »

Except Ireland.

In Ireland there is no shortage of people trying to get into nursing courses. Its seen as a great career.

onrail

Armelodie wrote: »

so ....nobody from the private sector complaining here about nurses then?

Not really...What nurses are paid will not influence private sector wages. Pointing out that the reduction in pay scale is comparable is all that is happening! Not prepared to defend other professions in the public sector though!!

steddyeddy

PeteEd wrote: »

I'm a qualified civil engineer and i earned less as graduate during the BOOM times than a graduate nurse does today.
Future potential earnings is on on a power of that with nurses based on your experience but you don't hear engineers complaining about **** wages as we are generally not unionised public sector whingers!

If you are good at what you do, ambitious and driven you are paid what you are worth

Based on that logic I must be worth triple a civil engineer. No offense but they choose it.

steddyeddy

Phoebas wrote: »

In Ireland there is no shortage of people trying to get into nursing courses. Its seen as a great career.

Pity they're leaving the country for decent work.

Frank Lee Midere

JackF1 wrote: »

Yeh I must also add all those IT graduates and Scientists are helping to save lives daily.

Of course. With the software in the machines used to diagnose people or the science behind it.

chinacup

moxin wrote: »

What job recognises the quality of being "good"? Not many I bet.

Its a capitalist society, if you're good at your job you get better pay. If you don't like it get another job probably in a another profession.

As I said earlier, it was obvious since about '07 that there was no future in nursing due to ongoing cutbacks. These people should try another career if they want to stay.

Its not about the job recognising the candidate as good its about us recognising that if someone is suited to a nursing career they have a right to demand fair pay. In my opinion the pay is ridiculous. I had no idea they were paid so low until I saw the thread..and was left a little uneasy thinking such an important role in society isn't valued twice that.

You replied to my post yet you didn't read it properly. Nursing is a universal degree these nurses CAN actually move and be better paid elsewhere. The point is that they shouldn't have to!

crockholm

JackF1 wrote: »

Yeh I must also add all those IT graduates and Scientists are helping to save lives daily.

100% of nurses patients die. Therefore they are worthy of a pay decrease by your standards of what really matters.

Or we can try to look at this a Little more rationally and ask what makes a trainee nurse Worth more than 22k P.A.

moxin

Arf91, we're talking about 4th yr student nurses. When they graduate and become full time, their salaries will massively rise, so what's the problem?

steddyeddy

arf91 wrote: »

Its not about the job recognising the candidate as good its about us recognising that if someone is suited to a nursing career they have a right to demand fair pay. In my opinion the pay is ridiculous. I had no idea they were paid so low until I saw the thread..and was left a little uneasy thinking such an important role in society isn't valued twice that.

You replied to my post yet you didn't read it properly. Nursing is a universal degree these nurses CAN actually move and be better paid elsewhere. The point is that they shouldn't have to!

I have yet to receive a decent reply.

KDII

Y2KBOS86 wrote: »

****ing Nurses do **** all most of the time.

Care Assistants do all the work, most Nurses are under educated Doctors.

Giving out tablets and sitting on there ass most of the time, while Care Assistants are dealing with patients, lifting them out beds, washing them, feeding them, wiping there ass.

While Nurse is standing there with a pen in her ****ing mouth.

**** them

You're bitter. Clearly you work with some a few lazy individuals who are not doing their jobs.

Nurses aren't all like that though. A few weeks ago a colleague had to get me a scrub top from theatre because a patient managed to sh*t on my back. Full on. I'm still not sure how that situation got so out of control..

Phoebas

steddyeddy wrote: »

Pity they're leaving the country for decent work.

Nursing is a very transferable skill. Irish nurses can choose to go abroad to Australia or Canada for more money and Indian and Filipino nurses can chose to come and work here.
It is a pity that many choose to leave - but its an open labour market.

steddyeddy

moxin wrote: »

Arf91, we're talking about 4th yr student nurses. When they graduate and become full time, their salaries will massively rise, so what's the problem?

Hey Moxin considering your motto of "they choose it" how about you answer my question?

I mean we could save a lot more money by applying your thinking across the board. I mean based on your judgement what's the argument against it? I take it you also agree that doctors should work 24 hour shifts? I mean they did choose it?

I'm just trying to ascertain that you're not singling out nurses

Satriale

salonfire wrote: »

Typical diversional bullsht we are so used to hearing when it comes to discussing some of the problems in the health sector.

you basically said that three people working in an enviroment where sickness/infection/disease is the norm were skiving, so prove it.

The absenteeism rate increased last August with the good weather. Was that due to an increase in sickness as well?

how would i know? im not a doctor and i doubt you are either. even if what you say is true, you are still speculating. again, prove it.

steddyeddy

Phoebas wrote: »

Nursing is a very transferable skill. Irish nurses can choose to go abroad to Australia or Canada for more money and Indian and Filipino nurses can chose to come and work here.
It is a pity that many choose to leave - but its an open labour market.

You see highly trained people leaving the country over government policy isn't something that I would class as "A pity".

moxin

steddyeddy wrote: »

Hey Moxin considering your motto of "they choose it" how about you answer my question?

I'm just trying to ascertain that you're not singling out nurses

Huh? Doctors should not have to work 24hrs, I believe they threatened strike recently over it? (fill me in ) No-one should have to work 24hrs straight whoever they are, thats my position.

Do nurses work 24hrs straight?

JackF1

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Of course. With the software in the machines used to diagnose people or the science behind it.

Some. But I'm certain my googler/FB/ salesforce mates aren't saving lives!

PeteEd

steddyeddy wrote: »

Based on that logic I must be worth triple a civil engineer. No offense but they choose it.

No offence, so do nurses, 22k is a standard graduate wage

steddyeddy

PeteEd wrote: »

No offence, so do nurses, 22k is a standard graduate wage

No offense taken but I don't consider "they choose it" to be sufficient reason to see health workers be treated like crap.

crockholm

steddyeddy wrote: »

You see highly trained people leaving the country over government policy isn't something that I would class as "A pity".

You're right, it is showing a lot of disrespect to the taxpayer who funded their education to just give two fingers to the people who funded them and expected a Little of their World renouned compassion in return, instead we get "Irish nurses on the piss in Perth".

Value for Money.

steddyeddy

moxin wrote: »

Huh? Doctors should not have to work 24hrs, I believe they threatened strike recently over it? (fill me in ) No-one should have to work 24hrs straight whoever they are, thats my position.

Do nurses work 24hrs straight?

Why not, they choose it? I mean doctors graduating a few years ago knew that they will working very long hours. Why change something about a job if people are choosing it?

Edit: Yes some nurses have worked 24 hours straight

steddyeddy

crockholm wrote: »

You're right, it is showing a lot of disrespect to the taxpayer who funded their education to just give two fingers to the people who funded them and expected a Little of their World renouned compassion in return, instead we get "Irish nurses on the piss in Perth".

Value for Money.

And fair play I say. I a country wants to put 80 million of taxpayers money into Irish water and pay nurses a subpar wage then more power to them.

JackF1

steddyeddy wrote: »

Why not they choose it? I mean doctors graduating a few years ago knew that they will working very long hours. Why change something about a job if people are choosing it?

Doctors chose to become doctors. They didn't choose 24+ hour shifts. You'd swear some people had never required medical treatment.

moxin

steddyeddy wrote: »

Why not, they choose it? I mean doctors graduating a few years ago knew that they will working very long hours. Why change something about a job if people are choosing it?

Ask them?

They know the job they are getting into, it ain't a state secret

Like I said earlier, if the going gets tough choose a different profession?

gctest50

Y2KBOS86 wrote: »

****ing Nurses do **** all most of the time.

Care Assistants do all the work, most Nurses are under educated Doctors.

Giving out tablets and sitting on there ass most of the time, while Care Assistants are dealing with patients, lifting them out beds, washing them, feeding them, wiping there ass.

While Nurse is standing there with a pen in her ****ing mouth.

**** them

About 33% of Care Assistants etc have psychiatric disorders

- and as well as everything else they are the last line of defence between a patients survival and misdiagnosis/errors and so on

- difference between them and most other workers is they may only have minutes with a patient who is fading rapidly to know what to do - no time for looking it up on yer smart phone

steddyeddy

JackF1 wrote: »

Doctors chose to become doctors. They didn't choose 24+ hour shifts. You'd swear some people had never required medical treatment.

Indeed and nurses choose an extremely hard job which 99% of people couldn't do. They didn't choose the wages.

JackF1

steddyeddy wrote: »

Indeed and nurses choose an extremely hard job which 99% of people couldn't do. They didn't choose the wages.

Fully in agreement!