New build ~E1,000

IRL_Sinister

Cheers lads, will try and grab one quick at lunch.

Edit: I just got the basic package with my build.

mad turnip

you might already know about this:

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/html/pbPage.Help_Win7_usbdvd_dwnTool

IRL_Sinister

Just home. Too tired after 15-hour day to start building tonight. Can't wait to get stuck into this project tomorrow!!

Thanks again to all the people that helped! Will send all the pictures when I'm done

EoinHef

Your better off man, tired eyes make mistakes!!

Good idea to give yourself a full day so you can take your time.

Best of luck, hope to see a few pics when shes all done:)

IRL_Sinister

Hit my first stumbling block

Used the ISO install tool from the website (above) and it didn't recognise my USB for some reason! Tried plugging it into several slots and nothing. PC was recognising it but the tool wasn't. Just decided to extract it all the USB manually. Hopefully no issues later on!

Just opened all my boxes! Looks awesome

EDIT: Alright looks like I finally got it formatted onto my USB correctly. Once I boot up Windows from my USB on the new build I simply copy and paste the files to the SSD? :<

Sparks43

Boot from usb then follow the normal installation process.Dont activate windows straight away so you can have time to test that everything is working the way you want.

Enjoy the build and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus

IRL_Sinister

Stumbling block #2: European plug.

Back later!

IRL_Sinister

OKay, unfortunately this experiment has failed. I followed the Newegg guys tutorial to the exact detail. Plugged in the power supply to do an "external build" test and hooked it up to my monitor. Fan spun for a split second, stopped and nothing happened. I've re-tried connecting the PSU to the motherboard, tried different sockets, etc. Nothing has changed.

I've wasted pretty much 6 hours of my day on this and I haven't even got it into a case yet. I don't really know what to do. Could someone please help me build this as at this stage it has just become a very expensive failed experiment?

Sparks43

Does the board post?
Have you got the case speaker attached?


Post up a few photos of the build as it is now and maybe someone here will notice an issue.

Dont give up m8 its tough now but think of the satisfaction when you get it to work

Sparks43

Printscreen of the mobo manual

Have you got number 2 (ATX 12V Power Connector (ATX12V1)) attached as well as 5 (ATX Power Connector (ATXPWR1))

IRL_Sinister

Sparks43 wrote: »

Does the board post?
Have you got the case speaker attached?


Post up a few photos of the build as it is now and maybe someone here will notice an issue.

Dont give up m8 its tough now but think of the satisfaction when you get it to work

OK give me a few mins

bassey

Stick at it, I was doing a few upgrades the other night and thought I'd fried the board at one stage, ya just gotta have some patience and work through the solutions as make double sure everything's connected properly.

Also did you buy from HWVS? They through a European adapter plug in the box with my order which was handy, but have loads of kettle leads lying around so wasn't necessary

IRL_Sinister

Alright so here are the chain of events.

Everything from the.

I've also attached all the connections. My only concern right know:

The 24 point connection from the PSU didn't click in when I pushed it in like (unlike the CPU) but I've tried reconnecting it 5 times and same thing. Because I'm pushing it down so hard as well I'm almost forcing the connection out (using a fair bit of strength)

Two other connections came the graphics card but there was no manual so I don't know if I need them or not.

Do you notice anything? (Sorry for images)

IRL_Sinister

Sorry for second post, there's a limit on how many pics I can post. This shows the connections and different cables I got with the r290

Sparks43

Have you got both the 24 pin connector and the separate 12v. CPU connector from the psu connected to the board?


If you only have the 24 pin then the system will power up have a burp the go back asleep.

Take a top down photo so we can see all the connections

IRL_Sinister

Finished product

IRL_Sinister

Sparks43 wrote: »

Have you got both the 24 pin connector and the separate 12v. CPU connector from the psu connected to the board?


If you only have the 24 pin then the system will power up have a burp the go back asleep.

Take a top down photo so we can see all the connections

Yeah, see image 5 above

IRL_Sinister

Top-down

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=16e87ad5ec&view=fimg&th=1447eeda0dc12157&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&attbid=ANGjdJ9bpt3RjSyGQOpoqejNxCdqEp5ovtjrOFOW96EXmQozfQcuXX4ukA5j6bM_8zjz3NrS83Uiw_ltNbMGaytWrJe4vWsGYEmUSkDp-uAsiBg3q2yCfR784ZO0PBo&ats=1393698910557&rm=1447eeda0dc12157&zw&sz=w1808-h800

Sparks43

Could be an idea to try the onboard gpu to see if it works

Sparks43

IRL_Sinister wrote: »

Top-down

Looking directly down on the board like the manual pic at top of page

Sparks43

IRL_Sinister wrote: »

Top-down

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=16e87ad5ec&view=fimg&th=1447eeda0dc12157&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&attbid=ANGjdJ9bpt3RjSyGQOpoqejNxCdqEp5ovtjrOFOW96EXmQozfQcuXX4ukA5j6bM_8zjz3NrS83Uiw_ltNbMGaytWrJe4vWsGYEmUSkDp-uAsiBg3q2yCfR784ZO0PBo&ats=1393698910557&rm=1447eeda0dc12157&zw&sz=w1808-h800

Pic not shared cant see it

IRL_Sinister

Sparks43 wrote: »

Pic not shared cant see it

Sorry, here:

Sparks43

Ram seems to be in slots 2 and 4 but that shouldnt stop post

Disconnect Graphics card and use onboard gpu and connect post speaker

IRL_Sinister

Sparks43 wrote: »

Ram seems to be in slots 2 and 4 but that shouldnt stop post

Disconnect Graphics card and use onboard gpu and connect post speaker

Yeah RAM are in slots 2 and 4. Slot 1 was covered by the heatsink.

What do you mean by the last line?

Sparks43

The mobo has onboard Graphics so disconnect the Graphics card and connected the Display direct to the motherboard

The post speaker should be connected to 19 on the diagram so we can hear if the system beeps on power on

IRL_Sinister

Sparks43 wrote: »

The mobo has onboard Graphics so disconnect the Graphics card and connected the Display direct to the motherboard

The post speaker should be connected to 19 on the diagram so we can hear if the system beeps on power on

I don't have any speakers in the house, unfortunately. Is it worth even doing this GPU thing if the fan on the PSU isn't even turning on? The CPU fan doesn't start spinning either (but I assume that's controlled differently)

Sparks43

Post speaker looks like this




Possible Bad power supply maybe? Really hope not.


Come on guys this is the Pc building Forum Surely someone else has some ideas

IRL_Sinister

Internet just dropped in the house too.... Would really just prefer to have someone over as help me with this at this stage because I'm totally confused and down about it.

Sparks43

Had a check on the Psu website and found this

A report recently published over at the VR-Zone discussing the new 4th generation Intel Core processors, code-named "Haswell", and their ability to go into a lower power sleep state than any previous processor has caused some concern about PSU compatability with the new processor.

When an Intel Core (i3, i5, i7) processor is idle, it goes into a sleep state that requires less power than when the CPU is active. Since the motherboard voltage regulation modules that provide power to the CPU gets their power from the power supply's +12V rail, these sleep states can dramatically reduce the load on the power supply's +12V rail.

According to Intel's presentation at IDF, the new Haswell processors enter a sleep state called C7 that can drop processor power usage as low as 0.05A. Even if the sleeping CPU is the only load on the +12V rail, most power supplies can handle a load this low. The potential problem comes up when there is still a substantial load on the power supply's non-primary rails (the +3.3V and +5V). If the load on these non-primary rails are above a certain threshold (which varies by PSU), the +12V can go out of spec (voltages greater than +12.6V). If the +12V is out of spec when the motherboard comes out of the sleep state, the PSU's protection may prevent the PSU from running and will cause the power supply to "latch off". This will require the user to cycle the power on their power supply using the power switch on the back of the unit.

While we are still working with Intel on the details of the testing methodology they use to check PSUs for Haswell compatibility, it is already known that a power supply that uses DC to DC for the non-primary rails (the +3.3V and +5V) will not have an issue with the new low power sleep states. This is because a DC to DC buck converter is used to convert +12V to +3.3V and +5V. This means that no matter what load the CPU puts on the power supply, there will always be a load on the +12V because the +12V is required to provide power to +3.3V and +5V.

Corsair utilizes this DC to DC technology in most of their power supplies. Starting with the CX750 and CX750M and moving all of the way through the GS Series, TX and TX-M Series, the HX Series, both the AX Series Gold and AX Series Platinum, and the new AXi Series. So whatever your budget, if you choose Intel's new Haswell processor and wish to utilize the new, low power C7 sleep state, Corsair has a power supply for you.

PSU Series Model Haswell
Compatibility Comment
CX600M TBD Likely compatible ? currently validating

IRL_Sinister

Sparks43 wrote: »

Had a check on the Psu website and found this

What does that even mean? lol

Sparks43

IRL_Sinister wrote: »

Internet just dropped in the house too.... Would really just prefer to have someone over as help me with this at this stage because I'm totally confused and down about it.

Take a break from it plenty of posters on here that might be able to help If you were closer then i would drop over myself.Fingers crossed someone might see something in the photos that we have missed.

Best of luck m8

Sparks43

IRL_Sinister wrote: »

What does that even mean? lol

Compatability between the psu and the haswell cpu that is in your build.

Probably nothing but someone here might be able to clear it up.

IRL_Sinister

Going to leave it for tonightf I think. Very frustrated so not worth going at it now and because I'm so new I feel as if I've exhausted all my options

EDIT: If there is anyone around to pop over to my place for an hour to have a look I'd really appreciate it. I can also collect you and pay you if you want.

Sparks43

IRL_Sinister wrote: »

Going to leave it for tonightf I think. Very frustrated so not worth going at it now and because I'm so new I feel as if I've exhausted all my options

EDIT: If there is anyone around to pop over to my place for an hour to have a look I'd really appreciate it. I can also collect you and pay you if you want.

Best option right now is either a Bottle of wine and/or a few beers

First time i tried a build nothing worked but when i finally got it working and spotted my mistake it felt great.A build without problems is nice but it also means that you learn sod all.

EoinHef

Sparks43 wrote: »

Come on guys this is the Pc building Forum Surely someone else has some ideas

The problem is the this forum is usually quiet at the weekends in the evening/night time. Trying to get an answer/help can be hard.

Im sure others will have suggestions.

Looks like you only have 1 PCI E cable from the PSU connected to the graphics card. On one of the pics above the other 8 pin connector still has the plastic on? You need too connect two 8 pins for that card afaik

This is what i mean:




Fix this first and make sure as sparks said that you have both the 24-Pin motherboard power connected and also the Cpu power 8 pin connected properly. The 24-pin can be quite hard to seat alright,be patient with it,it will go in eventually

If you do that and the RAM is seated correctly the PC should post at least. Using slots 2 and 4 for the RAM is fine on those boards aswell. Ive the same CPU cooler and use slots 2 and 4

IRL_Sinister

Ah that might explain the problem a bit then. Would it be possible for this to also affect the fans (PSU + CPU) not spinning at all/not activating?

Will definitely have a look at this tomorrow morning. Just to confirm: does it mean I also need two connections to the PSU or can I use one connection from the PSU just two split connections to the graphics card?

EDIT: What I mean is that this is essentially all I got with the box and this would hardly reach from the GPU to the PSU (even when inside the case)

EoinHef

You should have NO need for any adapters,those adapters are normally included to work with power supplies that have older connections or if your using two graphics cards and have run out of PCI E connections for the second card. You PSU has 2x6+2 pin PCI E so thats enough for your card.

You should have two cables marked PCI E at one end,that end should have a 6 pin block and an additional 2 pin block that can be sort of clipped together to make an 8 pin connection,this 8 pin block (x2) is what powers the card. The other end goes into one of the slots on the power supply. Check the PSU manual to find which slots provide PCI E power. So make sure you use BOTH cables,and have BOTH connected to the card and PSU.

Im guessing the system might not post without the card being powered as its just not getting enough juice

EDIT: Just to be clear the cables im refering to would have come with your power supply. The adapters that came with your graphics card are the ones not needed.

In the bag of cables you got with PSU you should have 2 cables with connections like these at either end,ive labelled which end has to go where. And yeah i suck with MS Paint:pac:

Sparks43

I really hope that sorts it and cant believe i missed that connection.

If op had removed the graphics card and plugged in onboard im 99% sure it would have past post.

Eoin thank you i have been looking at this in the pub and annoyed that i could see no problems

Fingers crossed it works

Bloody Graphics cards

IRL_Sinister

EoinHef wrote: »

You should have NO need for any adapters,those adapters are normally included to work with power supplies that have older connections or if your using two graphics cards and have run out of PCI E connections for the second card. You PSU has 2x6+2 pin PCI E so thats enough for your card.

You should have two cables marked PCI E at one end,that end should have a 6 pin block and an additional 2 pin block that can be sort of clipped together to make an 8 pin connection,this 8 pin block (x2) is what powers the card. The other end goes into one of the slots on the power supply. Check the PSU manual to find which slots provide PCI E power. So make sure you use BOTH cables,and have BOTH connected to the card and PSU.

Im guessing the system might not post without the card being powered as its just not getting enough juice

EDIT: Just to be clear the cables im refering to would have come with your power supply. The adapters that came with your graphics card are the ones not needed.

In the bag of cables you got with PSU you should have 2 cables with connections like these at either end,ive labelled which end has to go where. And yeah i suck with MS Paint:pac:

OK that makes perfect sense. Thanks for clarifying.

IRL_Sinister

Sparks43 wrote: »

I really hope that sorts it and cant believe i missed that connection.

If op had removed the graphics card and plugged in onboard im 99% sure it would have past post.

Eoin thank you i have been looking at this in the pub and annoyed that i could see no problems

Fingers crossed it works

Bloody Graphics cards

Haha I think I would thrown the entire external build out the window earlier if it hadn't have worked with the graphics card not inserted so I'll try that tomorrow

Sparks43

IRL_Sinister wrote: »

Haha I think I would thrown the entire external build out the window earlier if it hadn't have worked with the graphics card not inserted so I'll try that tomorrow

You probably would have needed to if that hadnt worked.

Honest question would you do a self build again?

Have you now got the taste for it:D

EoinHef

Ye should/would have posted without the card:pac:

Can be a steep learning curve but once you get there the sense of satisfaction is great,stick with it:)


Also when you get it posting etc we have to have a chat about the direction you have the CPU cooler facing......but thats for another day:p

Blitz17

Hopefully you get it sorted tomorrow

Wait till the overclocking begins

Sparks43

On this build i feel like a midwife waiting for the baby to be born.Really hope all goes well and cant help checking in every few mins even though im up early to check out a hotel for our wedding:eek:


I am waiting on parts for a build myself and i cant wait to get stuck in if i could have cycled over to the op i would have

EoinHef

Im not too far away from the OP so could help if nessacery but i reckon he be alright.

Hopefully he be birthing a PC tomorrow,Sparks can be the godfather:pac:

IRL_Sinister

Sparks43 wrote: »

You probably would have needed to if that hadnt worked.

Honest question would you do a self build again?

Have you now got the taste for it:D

If I get this working I'd absolutely love to continue doing this stuff. I've been looking forward to this for weeks now.

Obviously if I can't fix the problem or can't get someone to show me where I went wrong then it'll be the other pill.

IRL_Sinister

Didn't go smoothly this morning unfortunately (Please help):

These were the connections (1x 8 pin, 1x 6+2 pin & 1x 6pin)



Plugged the 8 pin into the back of the PSU (as below) and the 6 and 6+2 pin into the graphics card, plugged it in, tried to start the power (using screwdriver) and, again, nothing



I'm actually out this afternoon so this is going to be so frustrating because I won't have enough time to focus on it during the week next week : ((((((((

mad turnip

have you tried removing the graphics card, there should be one power connector for the motherboard (20 +4 pin connector), and one for the CPU and its fan (4 + 4), and one for the ssd. which looks like this:

http://zoobab.wdfiles.com/local--files/atx-psu-breadboard-mod/sata-power-connector.jpg

connect those components and leave out the graphics card, plug the hdmi or dvi cable into the motherboard rather than the graphics card and tell us what happens.

IRL_Sinister

I haven't got the SSD installed yet (external build), but I will try connecting with the Graphics card uninstalled and let you know.

EDIT: Nothing happened (below). Is there anybody that could come and confirm what the problem is because I'm just going to have to call PCWorld or something at this stage and pay an engineer to come out to the house because it's now at the stage where E1,200 has been wasted.

mad turnip

can you confirm theres a power connector here?



when you start it up, do any of the fans come on? And are there any sounds from the motherboard (beeps) and how many are there?

also how are you starting it up outside the case?