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Under The Skin (Jonathan Glazer)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭e_e


    Looks great, kinda regret choosing another film over it at JDIFF. Still it's not like there's long to wait anyway.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That's an extremely effective trailer if nothing else; really sets a creepy & mysterious tone that lures the viewer in, and all without giving the game away. Manys a Hollywood marketing department could learn a thing or two from trailers like this. I'm only aware of the book in passing & repute, but it seems like the promotions for this are keeping the cards close to their chest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,605 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I got a David Lynch vibe from the trailer and seems like a remake of Xtro or Species


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Well.

    I'm at something of a loss to describe how creepy, mysterious and effective the first half of this film is. I've barely seen anything like it, although there are hints of Kubrick (of all the compliments!) about it. From the slickly abstract prologue, it's an aesthetic treat and then some. The sound design grabs you, the visuals truly hypnotise. From the uncomfortably intimate flirting sequences to a scene that resembles a cinematic kaleidoscope, it's a remarkable sensory experience. There's a deeply dark and captivating sequence on a beach, that serves as a brilliant way of further introducing us to our odd protagonist. But then there's a couple of scenes... I actually don't even want to mention them in any detail, because they're just so spectacular. There's one SFX heavy sequence that is pretty much unforgettable (and that ****ing sound design): scene of the year candidate already, and it scared the absolute **** out of me.

    The narrative is fairly straightforward here (although both the visuals and the events themselves intriguingly albeit ambiguously explore aspects of sexuality and gender in society) but it's magnificently crafted. It reminded me of Upstream Colour in a very good way - not in terms of specifics, but in the way they use the tools of cinema so elegantly to tell their story. I believe the adaptation significantly cuts down the stuff from the book: I haven't read it, but at the Q&A afterwards Glazer said he only used the book as a starting point. So it's that rare but wholly admirable sort of smart adaptation that aggressively distills or even strips a literary source down to its most cinematic elements, adapting ideas, themes and characters rather than just lazily recycling the plot itself. There's very little in the way of exposition or extraneous dialogue, and having the meaning and specifics of key aspects left very vague is one of the film's strongest assets in building its surreal and deeply mysterious tone. Johannson in a very often speechless role - the polar opposite of her Her performance, indeed - is fantastic: managing to convey an alien figuring out the rules of Earth, with an intense stare that's a key part of the film's narrative and visual signature. Indeed, it's a film about 'looking' more often than not - at others and at ourselves, albeit in this case through an extraterrestrial perspective. One of the opening shots is an eye, and many of the turning points of the film revolve around the alien having her perspective altered by simply looking or examining something.

    The second half is, well, different. It's a rather different sort of tone, as the 'action' shifts from Glasgow to the countryside. Our alien begins to empathise or at least becomes increasingly curious about humanity and herself. The change is a tad jarring at first, TBH. I wondered where this was going for a while, but I felt Glazer nailed the landing. In many ways the film further explores the ideas and themes articulated in the first half, leading to a powerful conclusion. There's some fascinating scenes (including a seemingly tender sexual encounter with a blackly comic punchline), although it's not until the final minutes we get haunting imagery on par with the best from the first hour.

    Above all, Under the Skin is a film about mood, and Glazer is brave enough to supplement a stripped down, ambiguous narrative with evocative and sometimes provocative delivery. It's going to be divisive, no doubt. But IMO it's one of the most captivating and distinctive pieces of cinema I've seen in recent times.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I’m raging that I missed this, but thankfully it’s out in a few weeks anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Cheers johnny_ultimate, I'm happy you focused on the audio. Happy too that your review doesn't spoil.

    I'm intrigued by the styling, it is sort of 'Omni Magazine', via the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, heavy seventies UK vibe to it, quite an earthy flat palette to the colours as well. Looking forward to this.

    Going into snail mode for this one, no more video or reviews until it starts showing..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭tunguska


    Saw them reviewing this on film 2014 the other night and they seemed to be blown away by it. Scarlett Johansson as an alien preying on hitchhikers in scotland.......sounds like Species which isnt such a good thing. Although its meant to be Species as directed by Stanley Kubrick so it could be amazing. Plus Scarlett looks smokin' as a Brunette.......

    http://cdn.bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/under-the-skin-scarlett-johansson-movie-2013-jonathan-glazer.jpg

    Has anybody seen it yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭fluke


    Cannot. Wait. For. This.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Merged with existing thread!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    I couldn't wait, curious, so.. read the book.

    The film trailer seems a lot more sensual than the book. 'Pathetic' and 'grimey' would be words that spring to mind, after reading it, you feel like you've had chip grease smeared on your mind. Not a jolly experience. There's also a 'plurality' to the set scene, in the sense that, it is a group of 'humans', stuck, for various reasons, doing something very peculiar.

    Some interesting issues set up in the book. I wonder how on Earth they'll handle all that in a film that looks quite stylised.

    Ho hum, not long to wait..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    It's one of the most unsettling and disturbing films I've seen in a long time.
    I wouldn't say I enjoyed the experience but it was a very impressive and unusual film.


  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Noise Annoys


    Saw it in the film festival. It was good. Not a masterpiece in my opinion but very interesting, slow paced, atmospheric, artistic - and it stays with you for a few days after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Just a quick nudge, this is coming out a bit sooner than expected. Released tomorrow, Friday, 14th March, 2014, in various cinemas around Dublin.

    I'm not aware of listings outside of the Dublin area, apologies.

    Cineworld Dublin, IFI Irish Film Institute, Light House Cinema, Dublin.

    http://entertainment.ie/cinema/film-times/movie/Under-The-Skin/10.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭SuperGrover


    Saw this yesterday.

    Some of the most unforgettable scenes I've ever seen.

    Amazing stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Saw it in the film festival. It was good. Not a masterpiece in my opinion but very interesting, slow paced, atmospheric, artistic - and it stays with you for a few days after.

    I liked this more than I'd care to admit.. If you've read the book, don't go expecting anything close to it in mood or scenario, about the only thing in common, are the words, 'alien' and 'Scotland'.

    Sad to see reviewers deciding to have a dig a Scarlett Johansson, '[snide]..oh, she does blank-face so well..[/snide]'

    She carries off the role asked of her eerily well. Delighted it was her.

    I don't get the Kubrick name dropping, I would go with Tarkovsky hanging out with Chris Cunningham and Mike Leigh.. it is abstract, slow paced, but with a sharpness to the scenery and style that you would expect from a music video.

    Enjoyable, not something you'd care to watch over and over. I went to the IFI, bit of a barn.. despite meeting people there for years and years, first time as a film viewing customer. Screen 2. ..with the gift of hindsight, I would have opted for the other cinema choices in Dublin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Chelon


    Saw it last night. Still trying to decide if I like it; may have to repeat view.

    One question though - the reviews summarise the plot, yet as far as I can see these plot summaries are based on elements of the book rather than the movie. Glazer has said that the book was a mere starting point for his movie.

    I guees what I'm trying to say is that anyone who hasn't read the book or a review would be completely lost by this movie; not because of plot complexity, but just the opposite - so very little happens or is revealed throughout.

    I only had half a clue what was happening because I'd read a few reviews before, but if you went in cold, I really think you'd be completely lost.

    Anyone seen it cold and "got" everything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭tunguska


    Saw it at the weekend and I loved it. Definitely a film that you'll either love, hate or just be baffled by. Seriously atmospheric and that score was like something Kubrick would use. Scarlett Johansson was brilliant, I cant think of one other hollywood actress who would've even gone near something as unglamorous as this. Theres a fair few scenes with scarlett in the buff but its not gratuitous. She has a great body, sure enough, but its a real body not a body honed by hours and hours in the gym everyday or obsessing over the carbohydrate content of bread. And that makes her even more attractive in my view.
    Anyway great movie, gonna have to see it a few times before Im really able to absorb everything.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Chelon wrote: »
    Anyone seen it cold and "got" everything?

    I technically saw it 'cold', just knew the rough concept (Scarlett Johannson plays alien ensnaring men in Scotland). I thought that was the best way to watch, as there's a mysteriousness and ambiguity to the film I wouldn't have gotten if I'd have read the book beforehand and was more aware of the sci-fi specifics behind the concept. I'm even reluctant to do so now as I feel it would maybe even undermine my response to the film :pac: Kind of like the way I regretted reading Let the Right One In after the fact, as that was the antithesis to the pared back, tightly focused film based on it.

    There's an abstract quality to the film that's IMO it's biggest asset, and I'm always glad to see a film that understands the key to an interesting adaptation is to take a unique slant on the source material.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭tunguska


    There's an abstract quality to the film that's IMO it's biggest asset, and I'm always glad to see a film that understands the key to an interesting adaptation is to take a unique slant on the source material.

    Yeah I'd agree with that. The other film that comes to mind is 2001. The book just doesnt even come close to matching the atmosphere and sense of mystery that Kubrick created on screen. Although having said that the book might've been written after the movie???


  • Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Chelon


    I technically saw it 'cold', just knew the rough concept (Scarlett Johannson plays alien ensnaring men in Scotland). I thought that was the best way to watch, as there's a mysteriousness and ambiguity to the film I wouldn't have gotten if I'd have read the book beforehand and was more aware of the sci-fi specifics behind the concept. I'm even reluctant to do so now as I feel it would maybe even undermine my response to the film :pac: Kind of like the way I regretted reading Let the Right One In after the fact, as that was the antithesis to the pared back, tightly focused film based on it.

    There's an abstract quality to the film that's IMO it's biggest asset, and I'm always glad to see a film that understands the key to an interesting adaptation is to take a unique slant on the source material.

    Very similar to myself, I'd just read a few reviews. At what point in the movie could you figure out:-

    1. She's an alien

    2. She's harvesting bodies as they are a delicacy on her home planet.

    Possibly would have been more intriguing if you'd known absolutely nothing beforehand - and as for the guy on the motorcycle, does anyone know exactly who he is?

    Planning on seeing it again and taking a friend who knows absolutely nothing about the plot - I'll ber very interested to see what she makes of it.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Chelon wrote: »
    Very similar to myself, I'd just read a few reviews. At what point in the movie could you figure out:-

    1. She's an alien

    2. She's harvesting bodies as they are a delicacy on her home planet.

    Hard to see when any given viewer would figure out 1. The clues are in the prologue and plenty of hints to piece it together. I think by the end you'd be in little doubt :pac:

    The latter point is IMO pretty much irrelevant to the film, and I had no idea what the purpose of the mission was while watching. That's what helped create that sense of surrealism and alien 'otherness' - it's a film about atmosphere, tone and the alien's bizarre personal journey far above the specifics of the sci-fi plot. Glazer has in fact basically stripped that aspect out of it entirely, and for me the result is a richer film for it. It's kind of appropriate IMO that we're watching these strange events without a traditional 'guide' as they are by their very nature otherworldly happenings - I think most tools Glazer could have used to make the specifics more transparent could have seriously undermined what's a very carefully crafted film. The lack of exposition or explanation is what I loved about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭e_e


    Saw it yesterday and walking out of the cinema into Dublin city it felt like I was still in the film. Pretty powerful, love how it makes the everyday seem so strange.


  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Noise Annoys


    Chelon wrote: »
    and as for the guy on the motorcycle, does anyone know exactly who he is?

    My take was that
    Scarlett's character was actually ensnaring the men for HIM (I don't know why), and that when she began to feel some sort of self awareness, she tried to escape and he followed her
    I haven't read the book though.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    I really enjoyed this; very odd and moody, in a good way. Reminded me of 70s sci-fi films like the '78 Invasion Of The Body Snatchers; very strong at atmosphere and a properly unsettling suggestion of just how incomprehensible an alien species and its motivations might be to us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    The soundtrack by Mica Levi has been available on qobuz.com for a few days now. Not music to listen to if you're feeling a little maudlin'.. very primitive and stark. All formats supplied after purchase, .flac, ALAC, etc..

    http://www.qobuz.com/album/under-the-skin-jonathan-glazers-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-mica-levi/3299039954324


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭Warper


    The trailer for this has to be one of the best i have seen in ages, love the beh,beh,beh,beh , bah thing going on.

    Saw this and found it very good. I kinda wish that i didnt know she was an alien but really that was impossible to avoid as it was everywhere. Thought Johannson was perfectly cast. Couple of great scenes in this film. Loved the waiting for the bus scene, so simple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    I thought it was quite good for its budget, very eerie in places (bordering on really unsettling). That said, it's a bit insubstantial. As someone said, not one that'll cry out for a rewatch.
    Amalgam wrote: »
    Enjoyable, not something you'd care to watch over and over. I went to the IFI, bit of a barn.. despite meeting people there for years and years, first time as a film viewing customer. Screen 2. ..with the gift of hindsight, I would have opted for the other cinema choices in Dublin.
    In its defence, the other two screens are nicer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭e_e


    Yeah screen 2 is laid out pretty horribly. Especially uncomfortable when the screening is crowded.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 Scotty P


    Seen it at the festival and went again Friday night.

    I enjoyed watching it but found it quite tedious in parts.

    Was hoping it had more to offer on second viewing but it really hadn't for me.

    Many were walking out and there was sporadic laughing at scenes but I had anticipated that to be fair.

    I struggle with certain scenes as I'm not sure what the motive behind them was.

    An alien harvesting humans doesn't explain all aspects of the film.

    I was at the Q&A and these points were raised by some members of the audience and I didn't feel they were adequately addressed tbh.

    Maybe Glazer doesn't know himself, which is fair enough I suppose, not everything has to have an answer.

    Seen it cold myself, as I see most films and so hadn't a notion what was happening the first time I seen it, which I think is the best way to see it, but then I think that's the best way to see all films, so nothing new there.

    Enjoyable film. Just.. strange.

    Good strange.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The first half of this is incredible imo. Wonderful sense of mystery and unease and the lack of any exposition allied to very sparse dialogue works really well. The soundtrack is magnificent. A real 70's feel to proceedings, edgy ballsy cinema. The beach scene and aftermath is particularly chilling and the angular look at the locations used was well executed throughout

    I knew nothing of the book or plot going in, and that worked really well. What I could figure was that
    the lead and her motorcycle accomplise were not human and were repatriating bodily fluids for whatever reason. The lack of a why works just fine as far as that goes.

    The problem for me is the latter half. It kicks off with possibly the most effective scene of the movie
    (the biker picking up the last of Johannson's victims, soundtrack is deeply unsettling here)
    but gradually unravels from there on in. The problem I had is that the actions of Johansson are too certain and efficient for the first hour to make the latter half work. Clicking on a 'self discovery' switch is one thing, but the sudden confusion of place and inability to cogently interact just seemed contrived to me. Whereas the first half pulled me in closer, closer the second half loosened that grip fully. The conclusion just seems like a box ticking exercise.

    Overall though, glad I saw this. Lots of striking imagery and sections that work really, really well. This film will be the butt of comedian sets for decades to come of course, given the nature of the lead and her performance. Cult status to eventually follow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 709 ✭✭✭wowy


    Agree with pretty much the entire of LL's post.


  • Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Chelon


    Scotty P wrote: »
    Seen it cold myself, as I see most films and so hadn't a notion what was happening the first time I seen it, which I think is the best way to see it, but then I think that's the best way to see all films, so nothing new there.

    At what point did you figure she was an alien (if you did)? Just curious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭KilOit


    Saw this at the Lighthouse the other day.
    very unnerving movie, wasn't completely sure of what i was watching at times but i just couldn't look away. It really felt like a Kubrick movie in parts.
    Certainly one to get on dvd if you can't get to see it anywhere


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Wasn't really mad about it TBH. The book sounds much more interesting. I agree that the soundtrack is class and creepy, but I wasn't mad about most of the visuals, and the plot was far too vague. Also, I found a lot of the motorbike driver's actions a bit out of character in parts, when you consider what his 'job' is.

    Prompted me to actually wanna read the book, so guess that's a plus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭Board2Death


    Great soundtrack


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pearsquasher


    Best film I've seen for ages. Some scenes really unsettled me and it stays with you for ages. SJ was gorgeous and amazing in it too... hats off to her. Music was perfect too
    But that beach scene! Still can't get it out of my head. Dumbest parents ever


  • Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Chelon


    Best film I've seen for ages. Some scenes really unsettled me and it stays with you for ages. SJ was gorgeous and amazing in it too... hats off to her. Music was perfect too
    But that beach scene! Still can't get it out of my head. Dumbest parents ever

    Is it still playing? Or out on DVD?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    It's not out on DVD for another 6 weeks or so.

    I'm seeing it again soon but accompanied by a live performance of the soundtrack by Mica Levi.

    Cannot wait.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭e_e


    If anybody wants to still see it in the cinema vote for it in the IFI Open Day poll.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pearsquasher


    Saw it in a film club..... few old fogies walked out


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,319 ✭✭✭emo72


    god i didnt like it all. i will certainly give praise to SJ, her performance was good. it just seemed to be a film of a few set pieces, bugger all character development. bugger all storyline and no plot. wasn't very fulfilling at all.

    there was 2 scenes that stay with you, the beach and the tank, but thats it.

    maybe im old fashioned and not the right target audience for this. i was looking for explanation and motivations for what they were doing, none was forthcoming. didnt like the soundtrack either. and i am the type of guy that likes blade runner and 2001. i can understand a bleak movie and totally embrace it. the 2 movies i just mentioned gave hints and clues and certainly didnt serve the answers up to you on a plate. but UTS you are just an observer and nothing is given to you.

    just wanted to balance the thread up a bit, because its been a bit too positive so far:D maybe i was just wooshed:pac:


  • Site Banned Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Shiraz 4.99


    The detached sparse nature of the dialogue will be the hardest cliff for most viewers to get over, once you appreciate this as a different form of the visual arts I found it easier to get into.
    Difficult to compare it to anything, possibly Only God Forgives but that will put many people off whereas it's more accessible than that piece.
    Although she was a ruthless harvester of bodies it's difficult to feel anything but pity for her character at the end.
    She tries to disappear & go down the good road when she ends up getting continually abused & ultimately raped then burned alive.
    It's very clear what this film says about about humans, we are as a viscous & detestable as any creature in our imagination.

    The detached nature of the beach scene & the scene with the victims in the liquid were standouts.
    Great respect to SJ for taking this role on.

    Overall, 8/10


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Just about to put this on.

    Looking forward to this so much I came here to tell everyone.

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,319 ✭✭✭emo72


    Just about to put this on.

    Looking forward to this so much I came here to tell everyone.

    :pac:


    well, what did you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    emo72 wrote: »
    well, what did you think?

    I went to bed. Sorry :-[


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 836 ✭✭✭fruvai


    I went to bed. Sorry :-[

    All that excitement must have tired you out :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,600 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Why were there so many shots of the motorcyclist guy towards the end of the film? It felt like he was trying to chase Scarlett Johanson but it never lead anywhere


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    She had gone off the reservation, so he's trying to get her back harvesting for the cause and/or trying to prevent her true nature from being revealed to a human like it almost did with the bus passenger fella about to have sex with her. He'd already bumped off the disfigured guy more likely for the second reason (and had risked being spotted as he kind of was).
    siblers wrote: »
    Why were there so many shots of the motorcyclist guy towards the end of the film? It felt like he was trying to chase Scarlett Johanson but it never lead anywhere


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭Fago123


    Amazing film, rattles around your head for hours afterwards (and I presume days too). Felt a big David Lynch influence throughout, and I thought the mixture of professional actors & random people off the street was a stroke of genius. Very unsettling in parts, some scenes in particular got the heart racing. Superb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'm honestly not trolling or trying to inflame, as I know my opinion is contrary to most, but the film actually annoyed me. I genuinely thought this was one of the worst films I've seen in years.

    I get everything they were trying to say with the film and Scarlett Johansson's acting was very good etc. But f*ck me. It spent over 100 minutes telling a story that could have been told in about 30 minutes and wasn't that interesting to begin with.


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