Storm damage

periodictable

Many plantations flattened or with at least large areas of wind blow here in Clare. Have seen many young trees-1-2m blown over. Couple of trees down on the house, and dozens of roadside trees down. Upside is lots of fuel for next winter.
Anyone else have similar problems?

TomOnBoard

periodictable wrote: »

Anyone else have similar problems?

A next door neighbour has had a 30 y.o. Leylandii fall on the house. Damage to be assessed in the morning. It knocked out the whole area's electricity for hours.

The big issue is that the ESB were told repeatedly over the past 10 years that, as the trees had grown into ESB wires, the householder could do nothing to 'top' them. ESB were told they were dangerous and needed to have them topped. No action, and now a veritable catastrophe!!

Another example of how this country's Govt and State Institutions are simply defecating on us all from a great height!!

Sheldons Brain

TomOnBoard wrote: »

A next door neighbour has had a 30 y.o. Leylandii fall on the house. Damage to be assessed in the morning. It knocked out the whole area's electricity for hours.

The big issue is that the ESB were told repeatedly over the past 10 years that, as the trees had grown into ESB wires, the householder could do nothing to 'top' them. ESB were told they were dangerous and needed to have them topped. No action, and now a veritable catastrophe!!

Another example of how this country's Govt and State Institutions are simply defecating on us all from a great height!!

Leylandi were planted. Who planted them where they would wreck ESB cables, was that the fault of the government?

TomOnBoard

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Leylandi were planted. Who planted them where they would wreck ESB cables, was that the fault of the government?

Ahem! Back off with yer Right Wing rhetoric.

Leylandii were planted, AS A RESULT OF LOCAL COUNTY COUNCIL ADVICE decades ago as a planning permission condition to put in place fast growing screening. During the late 90's local building development resulted in the ESB FORCING a 38 kv line onto the property to service new local builds, using their LEGALLY PROTECTED power to FORCE a line onto ANY property in the State through Wayleaves!

AND YES! THAT ALL WAS THE FAULT OF THE GOVERNMENT!!!!

AND Unless you live on a 100 acre estate behind Electric Gates, AND have millions to fight them, these EXACT SAME AUTHORITIES could do the same to you today!!

Oh! and I'm interested that you had no words of commiseration of any kind for my neighbour!

Oldtree

Was a big thing in the 70's to plant leylandii interspersed with poplar, double trouble. We had fair wind here yesterday but not seen any trees down yet. And the wind not as bad as Oct 2012.

jack77

Here in west limerick, its like a disaster movie, counted 19 trees down on way home yesterday evening in a 6 mile stretch, all hands to the pump trying to clear them, farmers, council, esb etc. thank god no one was killed.
i'd hate to see west kerry and cork this morning.
have a few down in our place but luckily there in fields not on roads or houses

Cork boy 55

Question

Do different types/species of trees have different wind resistance and resilience?
i.e.
All things be equal
would a Conifer be better than a Broadleaf?
Or An Oak verus Yew?
Etc
Etc

TomOnBoard

As mostly you get the biggest winds in Winter, apart from Summer hurricanes that is, I would have thought broad leaves would be more resistant as their leaf canopy is gone in the Winter. Evergreens like Leylandii have a surprisingly poorly developed root system, and get knocked over quite easily when their upper structures are high and thick.

I suspect Oak and Elm are similar when young, but older ones often have their middles rotted out, thereby weakening them considerably. Also, branches from older trees are themselves often very heavy and can be broken off the main stem.

Cork boy 55

coillte reporting a lot of parks closed

Severe Storm Damage At Coillte Amenity Sites Nationwide

Please note that there has been substantial storm damage throughout Ireland.
A number of our amenity sites have multiple trees down in car parks and across trails and paths.
We ask that members of the public adhere to any temporary closures that are in place.
We will be clearing these sites in the coming weeks.

Thanking you in advance for your patience and co-operation.

juneg

TomOnBoard wrote: »

A next door neighbour has had a 30 y.o. Leylandii fall on the house. Damage to be assessed in the morning. It knocked out the whole area's electricity for hours.

The big issue is that the ESB were told repeatedly over the past 10 years that, as the trees had grown into ESB wires, the householder could do nothing to 'top' them. ESB were told they were dangerous and needed to have them topped. No action, and now a veritable catastrophe!!

Another example of how this country's Govt and State Institutions are simply defecating on us all from a great height!!

very sorry for your neighbour. All the trees that I saw fallen in suburban areas were massive Leylandii. Something to do with the wind making a funnel out of their "sail" like shape. Saw one come down like a deck of cards

ppn

Can anyone tell me what the situation is where trees from your farm fall into a neighbours field? No property damage done just a field full of trees/branches? Who owns the timber from these and who is responsible for clearing the mess?

Thanks

TomOnBoard

ppn wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what the situation is where trees from your farm fall into a neighbours field? No property damage done just a field full of trees/branches? Who owns the timber from these and who is responsible for clearing the mess?

Thanks

Your trees- your problem.

Oldtree

ppn wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what the situation is where trees from your farm fall into a neighbours field? No property damage done just a field full of trees/branches? Who owns the timber from these and who is responsible for clearing the mess?

Thanks

The trees are your property.

If you neighbour was to remove the branches overhanging his/her property to the above the boundary line (as they are entitled to do as the branches are causing them a nuisance (providing such pruning doesn't lead to the demise of your tree)) they must return said prunings to you or offer them back to you as they are your property.

If your trees fall onto adjacent property/road then you are responsible for any damage. You are also responsible for the clean up and removal (as you are causing a nuisance) and fence repair. You need to ask permission to enter your neighbours property otherwise it would be trespass.

ppn

Thanks for the replies. It's not a problem either way from our side as we are quite happy to cut up and remove the trees and offer any timber to the neighbour. I have heard a few people say the opposite and that the neighbour is entitled to any part of the tree that enters his/her land. Just wanted to know the legal situation as we had a problem before with the council who cut a huge <100 year old beech tree from our ditch which runs alongside the road, without our permission. Then they stole several trailer loads of timber from the tree as they were cutting and denied this when we confronted them. The f^ckers actually had the road blocked off and took off with the trailers in the opposite direction so they didn't have to pass our house. Luckily the neighbour saw them passing with the timber so we knew what they were up to (too late at that stage). Eventually, they brought a few enormous sections from the butt of the tree into us but had all the smaller sections cut up and taken away as lovely firewood for someone. Apparently, the engineer involved is known for this type of thing...

Oldtree

ppn wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. It's not a problem either way from our side as we are quite happy to cut up and remove the trees and offer any timber to the neighbour. I have heard a few people say the opposite and that the neighbour is entitled to any part of the tree that enters his/her land. Just wanted to know the legal situation as we had a problem before with the council who cut a huge <100 year old beech tree from our ditch which runs alongside the road, without our permission. Then they stole several trailer loads of timber from the tree as they were cutting and denied this when we confronted them. The f^ckers actually had the road blocked off and took off with the trailers in the opposite direction so they didn't have to pass our house. Luckily the neighbour saw them passing with the timber so we knew what they were up to (too late at that stage). Eventually, they brought a few enormous sections from the butt of the tree into us but had all the smaller sections cut up and taken away as lovely firewood for someone. Apparently, the engineer involved is known for this type of thing...

They could remove branches overhanging the boundary, pruned to above the boundary edge, but have to offer the branches back to you. They cannot fell the tree that belongs to you without permission nor can they remove (steal) the wood.

I have run into an issue before as to exactly where the property boundary starts when a field is adjacent to a road. The council presumes it can widen a roadway up to the wall of a field (to facilitate development) but they cannot widen the roadway in front of a house (ie taking some of the setback) without permission.

Boundries is a device issue:

The Land Registry map (also called a filed plan) identifies property, not boundaries. The Register is therefore not conclusive as to boundaries. Any dispute as to boundaries must be resolved by the relevant parties - if they cannot reach agreement it is a matter for the courts to resolve.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/owning_a_home/buying_a_home/property_deeds.html

In your case it would depend on if the drain was your property. Do the council maintain the drain? Is there a fence or wall?

Under english common law, and irish law is based on english common law, The ditch is dug on your property, the spoil is put onto your property side of the ditch, and the hedge planted onto the spoil.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52367600