Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod warning post#7005

Nuri Sahin

By the by, easy to forget Padelli at Torino was once a Liverpool player. Been excellent vs Napoli so far.

jamaamaj

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

As much as I'm happy we have Coutinho, Mata or Shinji in this Liverpool set up would be ridiculously unfair for other teams.

Not sure about Kawa, He was great for Dortmunt and before that, but i can honestly say, i seen he good in about no more than two United games.

Agueroooo

OK who is going to open a book on what is the contents of Lloyds upcoming promised post.

Im going with 'fűck me I apologise. I was truly wrong about Brendan Rodgers' ..currently @ 7/2

Or

'This sticky black tar of hate I have for Utd has almost become orgasmic to consume'..currently @ 13/8

Agent Coulson

I like that we are being linked to attacking players with pace.

But what I really want to see is use being linked to a few defenders at least one CB anyway.

DrumSteve

jamaamaj wrote: »

For back up i hope .?

A different argument for a different time. Suffice to say, 2 absolute quality players currently wasting away.

rob316

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I like that we are being linked to attacking players with pace.

But what I really want to see is use being linked to a few defenders at least one CB anyway.

Defenders? Nah thats boring, Rodgers is going for the patented 0-4-4-2 system next year.:pac:

Agent Coulson

rob316 wrote: »

Defenders? Nah thats boring, Rodgers is going for the patented 0-4-4-2 system next year.:pac:

Fair enough no defenders but I would want a goalkeeper

rob316

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

As much as I'm happy we have Coutinho, Mata or Shinji in this Liverpool set up would be ridiculously unfair for other teams.

Mata in a heartbeat, but Kagawa has been so underwhelming for united. Saying that Rodgers would know how to use him correctly, Ferguson and now moyes didnt/dont have a clue.

Nuri Sahin

jamaamaj wrote: »

Not sure about Kawa, He was great for Dortmunt and before that, but i can honestly say, i seen he good in about no more than two United games.

He was the focal point of the Dortmund team.

He's been shunted out wide far too much due to the signing of Van Persie, and Rooney and him (RVP) take up similar positions to Shinji at various times in any given game. Throw in Mata now this season which is a signing that positionally, was not needed at all given the players there and Moyes footballing ways, both style and preferred formation, he's doomed. I warned in the United thread about not playing him out there the moment he signed for them as I've seen similar for the Japanese national team in the past, something that's irked me big time.

Kagawa is as talented as Mata, Silva and Ozil for me. I'm confident he could have produced more for Arsenal in place of Ozil and certainly Coutinho for us, either clubs he'd thrive in.

rob316

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Fair enough no defenders but I would want a goalkeeper

Goalkeeper obviously otherwise that formation would be pure madness:D

5live

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Fair enough no defenders but I would want a goalkeeper

Doni...best of both worlds, both keeper and winger in a superb package.

Edit. Fly-keeper! You heard it here first.

Mickalus

jamaamaj wrote: »

Not sure about Kawa, He was great for Dortmunt and before that, but i can honestly say, i seen he good in about no more than two United games.

Some players need to be played in their best position, and with a style of play that suits them. I don't think Kagawa has had either.

I think Rodgers would get bucket loads more out of him than Moyes ever will.

Other players just never adapt properly to new leagues. Haven't watched united enough to know for sure about Kagawa on that note though.

One of the best traits I've seen from Rodgers so far is knowing what his players are capable of, and if they'll fit in with his philosophy.
Square pegs, round holes.

5live

Watching the match again.It gets better each time:-)

Wouldn't it be mad to draw Inter in the CL, if we get there, with Vidic at CB.

jamaamaj

What i can see from this thread is a lot of great talk about Brendan Rodgers,

We can truly say that he has taken us close to were we dream.

I am loving this ride this season,

Long may it last,

Take a bow Mr Brendan Rodgers

Augmerson

5live wrote: »

Watching the match again.It gets better each time:-)

Wouldn't it be mad to draw Inter in the CL, if we get there, with Vidic at CB.

Are Inter definitely going to sign him? Jesus. They could do better.

5live

Documentary on LFCtv at 8.30 on the legendary irish keeper, Elisha Scott, if you are into a bit of nostalgia.

5live

Augmerson wrote: »

Are Inter definitely going to sign him? Jesus. They could do better.

I think he has announced he is joining them a few weeks back.

opr

The thing that Rodgers seem to require first and foremost off all the players is the work rate off the ball. It was criminal the lack of tracking back Januzaj/Mata did for United. Now how much of that is down to them not working hard enough for Moyes or just the managers tactical plan is just bad I'm not sure but Mourinho obviously has a similar ethos to Rodgers when it comes to work without the ball and he ended up shifting Mata on.

I think Mata is a wonderful player but unless you're going to set the team up to get the team playing through him without so much defensive responsibility then I'm not sure how much use he would be to us. Our star player (Suarez) works as hard as anyone in the league without the ball hence why we're turning over so many teams. I'm much more comfortable with the team being king.

Opr

jamaamaj

Augmerson wrote: »

Are Inter definitely going to sign him? Jesus. They could do better.

Vidic signed done deal to Inter Milan.

rob316

This might sound crazy considering how many we have scored but I really think we need to improve our goal difference, city are 3 ahead with 2 games less played. This title race is so tight,so its not beyond the realms to think it could be decided on goal difference. To loose the title on goal difference would absolutely suck.

jamaamaj

rob316 wrote: »

This might sound crazy considering how many we have scored but I really think we need to improve our goal difference, city are 3 ahead with 2 games less played. This title race is so tight,so its not beyond the realms to think it could be decided on goal difference. To loose the title on goal difference would absolutely suck.

We Beat Man City,(IF) Chelsea(IF) at Anfield and it will not go down to goal difference.

It's in our hands.

But saying that, we have scored 76 goals in 29 games

How awesowe is that? I know Chelsea scored over 100 one season

billy2012

jamaamaj wrote: »

We Beat Man City,(IF) Chelsea(IF) at Anfield and it will not go down to goal difference.

It's in our hands.

But saying that, we have scored 76 goals in 29 games

How awesowe is that? I know Chelsea scored over 100 one season

Would be amazing to hit the 100 goals that some joked about at the start of the season.

YouTookMyName

Mickalus

5live wrote: »

Watching the match again.It gets better each time:-)

Wouldn't it be mad to draw Inter in the CL, if we get there, with Vidic at CB.

Also providing Inter get there! Currently 5th in Seria A, battling for 4th. Currently 11 points of Napoli in 3rd.
Not sure if there are 3 or 4 Italian clubs in next years Champs league?

5starpool

Mickalus wrote: »

Also providing Inter get there! Currently 5th in Seria A, battling for 4th. Currently 11 points of Napoli in 3rd.
Not sure if there are 3 or 4 Italian clubs in next years Champs league?

Only 3. 3rd gets in the qualifiers.

Nuri Sahin

Mickalus wrote: »

Also providing Inter get there! Currently 5th in Seria A, battling for 4th. Currently 11 points of Napoli in 3rd.
Not sure if there are 3 or 4 Italian clubs in next years Champs league?

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billy2012

Only five players in the Premier League have completed more successful passes than the 1351 Jordan Henderson has achieved this season. Of those five, none have made more key passes than the Liverpool man.

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Soft Falling Rain

My bloody head, I woke up to a half drunk bottle of rum and a text I sent to a female that read like Homer's drunken love letter to Marge. For fack Liva, I'm not used to this kind of success.

Turtyturd

billy2012 wrote: »

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I refuse to believe that, Ramsey has completed twice as many, scored a million more goals and covered more ground than Henderson has while running backwards.

bad2dabone

Turtyturd wrote: »

I refuse to believe that, Ramsey has completed twice as many, scored a million more goals and covered more ground than Henderson has while running backwards.

and been out for 2 months too.

Rayne Wooney

opr wrote: »

The thing that Rodgers seem to require first and foremost off all the players is the work rate off the ball. It was criminal the lack of tracking back Januzaj/Mata did for United. Now how much of that is down to them not working hard enough for Moyes or just the managers tactical plan is just bad I'm not sure but Mourinho obviously has a similar ethos to Rodgers when it comes to work without the ball and he ended up shifting Mata on.

I think Mata is a wonderful player but unless you're going to set the team up to get the team playing through him without so much defensive responsibility then I'm not sure how much use he would be to us. Our star player (Suarez) works as hard as anyone in the league without the ball hence why we're turning over so many teams. I'm much more comfortable with the team being king.

Opr

Mata covered more ground than every other United player on the pitch yesterday, and more than every other player on the pitch from both teams bar Joe Allen.

and his tracking back was no less than Liverpool's wide players, Januzaj didn't bother though and needs to work a lot harder.

bad2dabone

Henderson has really really come on this season, especially for someone who can't run. Fair play to him, I very much admire him as there was a chance he'd end up binned like Adam, Downing and Carroll but he's worked so hard and developed into a very good young midfielder. He must be in the England squad for the WC too.

niallo27

Anyone putting a Tenner on utd to win the CL just in case the impossible happens. 50/1

NukaCola

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mata covered more ground than every other United player on the pitch yesterday, and more than every other player on the pitch from both teams bar Joe Allen.

and his tracking back was no less than Liverpool's wide players, Januzaj didn't bother though and needs to work a lot harder.

The distance covered stat is all well and good, but if your running around aimlessly doing **** all its a pointless stat isn't it?

niallo27

bad2dabone wrote: »

Henderson has really really come on this season, especially for someone who can't run. Fair play to him, I very much admire him as there was a chance he'd end up binned like Adam, Downing and Carroll but he's worked so hard and developed into a very good young midfielder. He must be in the England squad for the WC too.

He must be in the team if you ask me.

opr

May have been posted already. The Times football podcast was Liverpool centric this week. You can find both parts below.

https://soundcloud.com/the-game-podcast

Opr

NukaCola

niallo27 wrote: »

Anyone putting a Tenner on utd to win the CL just in case the impossible happens. 50/1

Not under Moyes. If they got a decent Manager any thing could happen, i dont think they will make it through the next round with Moyes being honest.

jcsoulinger

anyone got a link to motd highlights?

opr

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mata covered more ground than every other United player on the pitch yesterday, and more than every other player on the pitch from both teams bar Joe Allen.

and his tracking back was no less than Liverpool's wide players, Januzaj didn't bother though and needs to work a lot harder.

You're kidding right? Liverpool played a diamond with Allen/Henderson on either side. They were essentially free players for most of the match as neither were tracked inside by Mata or Januzai. Almost all of the tactical breakdowns of the games I've read pointed to this as a key area that Liverpool exploited.

You can click the link in the below article to see a more detailed tactical breakdown by zonal marking.

Zonal Marking covered this well in his match analysis. At times with Liverpool in possession, Henderson and Allen were basically free players, with neither Mata nor Januzaj particularly interested in tracking back, and neither Fellaini nor Carrick particularly comfortable leaving the middle of the pitch, especially considering the damage that Suarez, Sturridge, and Sterling can cause if given space in that area.

http://ohyoubeauty.blogspot.ie/

Opr

niallo27

NukaCola wrote: »

Not under Moyes. If they got a decent Manager any thing could happen, i dont think they will make it through the next round with Moyes being honest.

Oh I know but you know just in case. What's a Tenner.

hefferboi

jcsoulinger wrote: »

anyone got a link to motd highlights?

Posted on the last page.

MD1990

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mata covered more ground than every other United player on the pitch yesterday, and more than every other player on the pitch from both teams bar Joe Allen.

and his tracking back was no less than Liverpool's wide players, Januzaj didn't bother though and needs to work a lot harder.

yes but Mata is slow so it isnt that effective as he can't stay with anyone that has pace

jesus_thats_gre

MD1990 wrote: »

yes but Mata is slow so it isnt that effective as he can't stay with anyone that has pace

NukaCola wrote: »

The distance covered stat is all well and good, but if your running around aimlessly doing **** all its a pointless stat isn't it?

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mata covered more ground than every other United player on the pitch yesterday, and more than every other player on the pitch from both teams bar Joe Allen.

and his tracking back was no less than Liverpool's wide players, Januzaj didn't bother though and needs to work a lot harder.

Here we go

Turtyturd

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Here we go

Most of them are in hiding...it wont escalate as much as it used to.

Rayne Wooney

opr wrote: »

You're kidding right? Liverpool played a diamond with Allen/Henderson on either side. They were essentially free players for most of the match as neither were tracked inside by Mata or Januzai. Almost all of the tactical breakdowns of the games I've read pointed to this as a key area that Liverpool exploited.

You can click the link in the below article to see a more detailed tactical breakdown by zonal marking.



http://ohyoubeauty.blogspot.ie/

Opr

That zonal marking bases the argument on a map of Joe Allen receiving the ball maybe 25 times on the left side and mainly in his own half. I can muster up a similar map of Carrick receiving the ball 20 times in Liverpool's half but that doesn't mean Gerrard didn't track back.

Tracked him inside where? Allen only had 5 passes in United's half and they were 40 yards from goal over the left side and only one of them was over 4 yards.

What I remember from watching the game was Mata getting back, maybe not Valencia-eque but it wasn't a notable problem, Januzaj on the other hand could have done a lot more. Moyes moved Rooney out wide and put Mata centrally later in the game and Henderson got a lot more involved in the attack then.

Paulegend

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

That zonal marking bases the argument on a map of Joe Allen receiving the ball maybe 25 times on the left side and mainly in his own half. I can muster up a similar map of Carrick receiving the ball 20 times in Liverpool's half but that doesn't mean Gerrard didn't track back.

Tracked him inside where? Allen only had 5 passes in United's half and they were 40 yards from goal over the left side and only one of them was over 4 yards.

What I remember from watching the game was Mata getting back, maybe not Valencia-eque but it wasn't a notable problem, Januzaj on the other hand could have done a lot more. Moyes moved Rooney out wide and put Mata centrally later in the game and Henderson got a lot more involved in the attack then.

yea united should have won:D

Rayne Wooney

Paulegend wrote: »

yea united should have won:D

I wouldn't go that far, we should get a point for winning the crosses at least

Rayne Wooney

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I wouldn't go that far, we should get a point for winning the crosses at least

Rayne don't be ridiculous, sure we barely made it to the byline yesterday, there isn't even that to rejoice over!:pac:

opr

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

That zonal marking bases the argument on a map of Joe Allen receiving the ball maybe 25 times on the left side and mainly in his own half. I can muster up a similar map of Carrick receiving the ball 20 times in Liverpool's half but that doesn't mean Gerrard didn't track back.

Tracked him inside where? Allen only had 5 passes in United's half and they were 40 yards from goal over the left side and only one of them was over 4 yards.

What I remember from watching the game was Mata getting back, maybe not Valencia-eque but it wasn't a notable problem, Januzaj on the other hand could have done a lot more. Moyes moved Rooney out wide and put Mata centrally later in the game and Henderson got a lot more involved in the attack then.

So why do you think that you got completely dominated for the game and lost 3-0 if everything was working so well?

btw Mata had one successful tackle all game.

Opr

Rayne Wooney

opr wrote: »

So why do you think that you got completely dominated for the game and lost 3-0 if everything was working so well?


Opr

Ah great, so you realise you were wrong.