Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod warning post#7005

5live

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Chelsea were beyond awful there.

:D:D

That makes me soooo happy:D

mike65

They'd be better with a striker in the squad mind you.

klose

Citys subs were negredo, nasri and navas. Amazing we are right behind em in the league when you compare squads.

Nuri Sahin

5live wrote: »

:D:D

That makes me soooo happy:D

I'm miffed I sat through 90 minutes (and 90 mins of Leverkusen choking against Schalke) of that!

Nuri Sahin

mike65 wrote: »

They'd be better with a striker in the squad mind you.

A good striker would have made little to no difference today. Every Chelsea player played like crap.

Agent Coulson

When the FA Cup draw was made I was happy to win in the league and lose in the Cup to Arsenal I felt the 3 points were the most important thing.

Now that we beat Arsenal and got 3 points I want the same result and performance tomorrow I want us to go out and beat Arsenal in the same way and destroy their confidence completely for the rest of the season.

kingshankly

Salah looked terrible not regretting missing him yet

The_Kew_Tour

I think ye will win tomorrow myself.

A change in Liverpool has happened over past year. That game against Fulham the other night would have been a draw no question had it been the previous 10 years.

I have supported United for 25 years and that 30 minutes last week against Arsenal was a good as any team I have seen.

Have to say ye are easy on the eye at the minute and Rodgers has a clear vision for the club that seems to be coming good slowly.

PL is a possibility although I think City will edge it in the end, but Liverpool are back and here to stay for short term at very least.

.jacksparrow.

mike65 wrote: »

They'd be better with a striker in the squad mind you.

They have 3 strikers, Torres and eto are still good player s.

Been shot of confidence from their fans and management doesn't help.

Charlie19

mav79 wrote: »

It would be great if Pellegrini came out and said Chelsea are favourites for the title because they don't have the League and FA cups to worry about.:D

Brilliant:D

dr ro

While I do think we'll get fourth this year, I'm not sure it'll mean as much as fourth would have in previous years. Given the spectacular decline in utd, it gives us a false impression of improvement in our club if we replace them in the top 4. Fair enough we may have a fair few extra points on this stage last season but if utd we're still under saf would we still be where we are. Unlikely I think. It's within our capability to catch arsenal at least I feel, maybe even more. It would be more of an indication of where we stand in the table now if we caught one of the regular top 4 inhabitants.

kingshankly

dr ro wrote: »

While I do think we'll get fourth this year, I'm not sure it'll mean as much as fourth would have in previous years. Given the spectacular decline in utd, it gives us a false impression of improvement in our club if we replace them in the top 4. Fair enough we may have a fair few extra points on this stage last season but if utd we're still under saf would we still be where we are. Unlikely I think. It's within our capability to catch arsenal at least I feel, maybe even more. It would be more of an indication of where we stand in the table now if we caught one of the regular top 4 inhabitants.

It's a long time since I read such tripe
If liverpool make top 4 it will be a brilliant achievement

NapoleonInRags

dr ro wrote: »

While I do think we'll get fourth this year, I'm not sure it'll mean as much as fourth would have in previous years. Given the spectacular decline in utd, it gives us a false impression of improvement in our club if we replace them in the top 4. Fair enough we may have a fair few extra points on this stage last season but if utd we're still under saf would we still be where we are. Unlikely I think. It's within our capability to catch arsenal at least I feel, maybe even more. It would be more of an indication of where we stand in the table now if we caught one of the regular top 4 inhabitants.

Horsecrap - it will be a fantastic achievement to get top four considering the recent spending of the clubs above and directly below us - as compared to ours.

Gbear

dr ro wrote: »

Fair enough we may have a fair few extra points on this stage last season

This is the important part.

We're on course for 77pts. We may get more or we may get less.

I've had a look back over the years and that total has never failed to get a team a top 4 spot. In fact usually it's been closer to 1st than 5th.

If the current ppg stays the same for the top 4 it will be quite unusual. There has seldom been 3 teams on over 80 pts.

If we maintain this kind of points total we will virtually always get a CL spot.

bluefinger

It means more every year that goes by as teams are getting more competitive alk the time. Also last year we finished behind Spurs and Everton? This year we'll hopefully finish ahead of them, never mind United. Massive improvement

Courtesy Flush

Surely its more of an achievement to make top 4 now. When we used to do it regular there were barely 4 teams who were genuinely good. Now there are 6 or 7

jesus_thats_gre

Courtesy Flush wrote: »

Surely its more of an achievement to make top 4 now. When we used to do it regular there were barely 4 teams who were genuinely good. Now there are 6 or 7

That or there are now just 6 or 7 decent teams. Back then, those clubs dominated the CL to varying degrees. Given they are also rans now, am more inclined to to believe that it's easier to be in mix by being in that top 7 now than it was by being in that top 4 then.

Charlie19

I'm only echoing what other posters have said but if Liverpool where to achieve top four come end of season, I think it be right up there with when we needed to beat charlton on the last day of the season and Fowler netted a hat trick.

The last few years have been dreadful watching CL without Liverpool being involved.

jesus_thats_gre

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

That or there are now just 6 or 7 decent teams. Back then, those clubs dominated the CL to varying degrees. Given they are also rans now, am more inclined to to believe that it's easier to be in mix by being in that top 7 now than it was by being in that top 4 then.

Just to qualify this further, I don't really give a **** either was once we qualify for the CL.

We can worry about how well we will fare in it in 6 months time.

Vicxas

If an English club (minus UTD) wins the CL. does that mean we still have to do the qualifiers? Or would be moved up into the group phase?

5starpool

Vicxas wrote: »

If an English club (minus UTD) wins the CL. does that mean we still have to do the qualifiers? Or would be moved up into the group phase?

I'm not sure what you are asking? If we finish 3rd and Arsenal finish 4th but win the CL, I believe we will have to do the qualifier then, althogh open to correction there.

kingshankly

Vicxas wrote: »

If an English club (minus UTD) wins the CL. does that mean we still have to do the qualifiers? Or would be moved up into the group phase?

Where have we finished

Vicxas

kingshankly wrote: »

Where have we finished

For arguments sake let's say 3rd

kingshankly

Vicxas wrote: »

For arguments sake let's say 3rd

I would say group stage could be wrong I would have thought utd would need to qualify
That's just off the top of my head

rob316

dr ro wrote: »

While I do think we'll get fourth this year, I'm not sure it'll mean as much as fourth would have in previous years. Given the spectacular decline in utd, it gives us a false impression of improvement in our club if we replace them in the top 4. Fair enough we may have a fair few extra points on this stage last season but if utd we're still under saf would we still be where we are. Unlikely I think. It's within our capability to catch arsenal at least I feel, maybe even more. It would be more of an indication of where we stand in the table now if we caught one of the regular top 4 inhabitants.

Shocking post pure crap

YouTookMyName

dr ro wrote: »

While I do think we'll get fourth this year, I'm not sure it'll mean as much as fourth would have in previous years. Given the spectacular decline in utd, it gives us a false impression of improvement in our club if we replace them in the top 4. Fair enough we may have a fair few extra points on this stage last season but if utd we're still under saf would we still be where we are. Unlikely I think. It's within our capability to catch arsenal at least I feel, maybe even more. It would be more of an indication of where we stand in the table now if we caught one of the regular top 4 inhabitants.

mosstin

dr ro wrote: »

While I do think we'll get fourth this year, I'm not sure it'll mean as much as fourth would have in previous years. Given the spectacular decline in utd, it gives us a false impression of improvement in our club if we replace them in the top 4. Fair enough we may have a fair few extra points on this stage last season but if utd we're still under saf would we still be where we are. Unlikely I think. It's within our capability to catch arsenal at least I feel, maybe even more. It would be more of an indication of where we stand in the table now if we caught one of the regular top 4 inhabitants.

dr no.

ArmaniJeanss

5starpool wrote: »

I'm not sure what you are asking? If we finish 3rd and Arsenal finish 4th but win the CL, I believe we will have to do the qualifier then, althogh open to correction there.

Hmmmm, you've forgotten the precious $1 I took off you when you suggested this was what would happen when Chelsea beat Bayern two years ago?????
All 4 English teams would again go direct to the group stage if this happened.

Agent Coulson

dr ro wrote: »

While I do think we'll get fourth this year, I'm not sure it'll mean as much as fourth would have in previous years. Given the spectacular decline in utd, it gives us a false impression of improvement in our club if we replace them in the top 4. Fair enough we may have a fair few extra points on this stage last season but if utd we're still under saf would we still be where we are. Unlikely I think. It's within our capability to catch arsenal at least I feel, maybe even more. It would be more of an indication of where we stand in the table now if we caught one of the regular top 4 inhabitants.

Ridiculous finishing fourth this year will be a great achievement anything higher than fourth will be amazing considering in the last four seasons 7th 6th 7th and 8th. Liverpool have been no where near 4th. Utd's decline will have no baring on us finishing ahead of teams that have finished ahead over the last four seasons.

Courtesy Flush

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

That or there are now just 6 or 7 decent teams. Back then, those clubs dominated the CL to varying degrees. Given they are also rans now, am more inclined to to believe that it's easier to be in mix by being in that top 7 now than it was by being in that top 4 then.

I just think since Liverpool were last in the CL , City have billionaire owners, Spurs have spent millions, Everton are better etc. I think the PL is stronger as a whole. The race for fourth is much tougher now
I agree though I couldnt give a sh1t either way as long as we make it

mike65

Guardian article on Coutinho

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/15/philippe-coutinho-liverpool-fa-cup

whatawaster

It is definitely harder than it has ever been to qualify for the Champions League.

59 points were enough to qualify in 2005

66 in 2006
61 in 2007
66 in 2008
64 in 2009
68 in 2010
63 in 2011
66 in 2012
73 in 2013

Similar (or probably higher) will be needed in 2014.

Grayditch

It's because 4th is so hard to attain nowadays, that I'm raging about not capitalising on our great start by bolstering in January.

Chucky the tree

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I think ye will win tomorrow myself.

A change in Liverpool has happened over past year. That game against Fulham the other night would have been a draw no question had it been the previous 10 years.

I have supported United for 25 years and that 30 minutes last week against Arsenal was a good as any team I have seen.

Have to say ye are easy on the eye at the minute and Rodgers has a clear vision for the club that seems to be coming good slowly.

PL is a possibility although I think City will edge it in the end, but Liverpool are back and here to stay for short term at very least.

Tis a shame that change only happened in the last week.

K-9

I think being so close to the top would offset any doubts about United finishing way behind. Often under Rafa we'd still be way off 1st.

jesus_thats_gre

whatawaster wrote: »

It is definitely harder than it has ever been to qualify for the Champions League.

59 points were enough to qualify in 2005

66 in 2006
61 in 2007
66 in 2008
64 in 2009
68 in 2010
63 in 2011
66 in 2012
73 in 2013

Similar (or probably higher) will be needed in 2014.

It's when you add in other variables like goals conceded or CL success that those figures change in meaning.

8-10

Just drunkenly rewatched Istanbul. Milan's marking was shocking for Gerrard's goal. Watch it again, Riise has first cross charged down and even still they leave Stevie free in the middle for second attempt

Some header though.great viewing. Still can barely watch the peons. More of these nights please

5starpool

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Hmmmm, you've forgotten the precious $1 I took off you when you suggested this was what would happen when Chelsea beat Bayern two years ago?????
All 4 English teams would again go direct to the group stage if this happened.

I'll rarely argue with you about those type of facts AJ. It was foolish of me to do it once even.

jamaamaj

Charlie19 wrote: »

I'm only echoing what other posters have said but if Liverpool where to achieve top four come end of season, I think it be right up there with when we needed to beat charlton on the last day of the season and Fowler netted a hat trick.

The last few years have been dreadful watching CL without Liverpool being involved.

I haven't been excited at all about the champions league matches the last few years without liverpool been involved.

I really miss those midweek liverpool European cup nights.

Hopefully we all see these great nights again next season, and it will be the beginning of a new chapter in the history of liverpool in europe.

jamaamaj

dr ro wrote: »

While I do think we'll get fourth this year, I'm not sure it'll mean as much as fourth would have in previous years. Given the spectacular decline in utd, it gives us a false impression of improvement in our club if we replace them in the top 4. Fair enough we may have a fair few extra points on this stage last season but if utd we're still under saf would we still be where we are. Unlikely I think. It's within our capability to catch arsenal at least I feel, maybe even more. It would be more of an indication of where we stand in the table now if we caught one of the regular top 4 inhabitants.

WTF man.?

Getting into the champions league qualification positions is what it's all about if a team does not finish at the top.

And there's no bloody false impression as liverpool have improved massively this season and are one of the most exciting teams to watch in the league this season.

And drop the If fergie was still there crap, great manager yes, but even man u fans knew he was on decline even though he won the league last season.

MR NINE

Dr ro is getting heaps of abuse for his post, but i agree with him to an extent. Finishing in the top four would be a huge achievement for us this season, very few of us would have expected it at the start of the season. However, if we finish fourth, it will presumably be at Uniteds expense. Which makes me feel that if United were still managed by ferguson and werent drastically underperforming this season, they would probably be ahead of us. Finishing third would be a far more significant achievement than finishing fourth, as it would truly represent that we have broken back into the big time, though either achievement would be good enough for me

Gbear

MR NINE wrote: »

Dr ro is getting heaps of abuse for his post, but i agree with him to an extent. Finishing in the top four would be a huge achievement for us this season, very few of us would have expected it at the start of the season. However, if we finish fourth, it will presumably be at Uniteds expense. Which makes me feel that if United were still managed by ferguson and werent drastically underperforming this season, they would probably be ahead of us. Finishing third would be a far more significant achievement than finishing fourth, as it would truly represent that we have broken back into the big time, though either achievement would be good enough for me

But what you're then suggesting (I think) is that Utd would be doing better than we are now.

And that would require having 4 teams finishing on about 80 pts, which has never happened.

By sheer probability, ever year at least 1 team is a bit ****. The team that gets 4th is usually capitalising on that ****ness.

Rafloution

I hate it when we judge our success based on United, who gives a **** about them. We're 4th based on results not on them being sh1te

Grayditch

Craic is 90 in here, tonight.

MR NINE

Gbear wrote: »

But what you're then suggesting (I think) is that Utd would be doing better than we are now.

And that would require having 4 teams finishing on about 80 pts, which has never happened.

By sheer probability, ever year at least 1 team is a bit ****. The team that gets 4th is usually capitalising on that ****ness.

I already feel like my post was a bad idea. Basically I think third or better would be a far bigger statement than fourth, as third or better would be displacing one of the big boys, whereas fourth would pretty much be United relinquishing their position by vitrtue of being ****. I dont mean to take away from liverpools season, weve been fantastic this season, but finishing in the top three would be finishing ahead of one of the title contenders, which would be a mammoth leap for this club given our expectations at the start of the season. I would have been happy with being in contention for top four in april, anything beyond that is an exceptional season based on my expectations

Rafloution wrote: »

I hate it when we judge our success based on United, who gives a **** about them. We're 4th based on results not on them being sh1te

I give a **** about them. Were fourth based on results, ours being good, and theirs being poor. If United werent having such a pitifully poor season by their standards wed be fifth right now.

Utopia Parkway

MR NINE wrote: »

Dr ro is getting heaps of abuse for his post, but i agree with him to an extent. Finishing in the top four would be a huge achievement for us this season, very few of us would have expected it at the start of the season. However, if we finish fourth, it will presumably be at Uniteds expense. Which makes me feel that if United were still managed by ferguson and werent drastically underperforming this season, they would probably be ahead of us. Finishing third would be a far more significant achievement than finishing fourth, as it would truly represent that we have broken back into the big time, though either achievement would be good enough for me

Who's to say United weren't actually over performing thanks to Ferguson?

Either way it's an utterly nonsensical argument. You can only try and finish above the other teams in the league in any given season. You are either good enough to do that or you aren't. To say Liverpool may only get a CL place because United have been crap is the type of thing I'd expect to see on Redcafe. In fact I have read it on there already.

Charlie19

jamaamaj wrote: »

I haven't been excited at all about the champions league matches the last few years without liverpool been involved.

I really miss those midweek liverpool European cup nights.

Hopefully we all see these great nights again next season, and it will be the beginning of a new chapter in the history of liverpool in europe.

It just shows how much we took it for granted, the squad Rafa had built was fantastic and had us competing every year. But sometimes he made rash decisions. A moment that stuck with me was..

The win against Fulham the other night, Rafa might of been happy with a draw.

jamaamaj

If United werent having such a pitifully poor season by their standards wed be fifth right now.[/QUOTE]

If we had put away West Brom & Villa we would be top - If's and But's.

sh__93

dfx-

Charlie19 wrote: »

It just shows how much we took it for granted, the squad Rafa had built was fantastic and had us competing every year. But sometimes he made rash decisions. A moment that stuck with me was..

Wasn't a rash decision though, Torres was awful and Ngog should've won that game.