Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod warning post#7005

djPSB

I am pie wrote: »

Exactly. See the utd match and the diamond formation. Also we have moved to a front 2 with 3 mf behind and one holding mf. Swansea had a different approach. The manager has seemingly learnt to be more pragmatic to his enormous credit.

For me Agger has to go, he was so soft for mutch's first goal yesterday. He is not solid enough. Sahko plus one new player for me, let Agger go while we can get something for him.

And imo Rodgers has shown why he's streets ahead of the likes of AVB.

Rodgers attempted his slick passing Swansea set up with Liverpool, it didn't work so he changed it up and we're alot more effective now.

AVB was provided with much better players at Chelsea and Spurs and attempted his Porto system. It didn't work at either club and he had no back up plan or at least he didn't try anything else. A one trick pony.

smileyj1987

mightyreds wrote: »

^^ is that the flag that was hanging outside the lansdown hotel.for the celtic match?

Yeah that was hanging from the windows of the lansdowne hotel .

Dub13

5starpool wrote: »

How much is it going to cost ye to get Rodgers on that Banner when we win the league this year?

Getting asked that a lot the last while...:)

Dub13

A clearer pic of the banner, she is holding up well.

Eight Ball

ebbsy wrote: »

Much as I want Utd to do a number on City, its will not happen.

Could be a mullering.

Yeah iv'e got that terrible feeling also. Can't remember ever wanting United to win a match before and can't see it happening here i'm afraid.

Courtesy Flush

djPSB wrote: »

And imo Rodgers has shown why he's streets ahead of the likes of AVB.

Rodgers attempted his slick passing Swansea set up with Liverpool, it didn't work so he changed it up and we're alot more effective now.

AVB was provided with much better players at Chelsea and Spurs and attempted his Porto system. It didn't work at either club and he had no back up plan or at least he didn't try anything else. A one trick pony.

Rodgers has been able to change and adapt to each situation. AVB proved he was unable to adapt when needed
Thank fcuk we didnt get AVB as manager

Gbear

ebbsy wrote: »

Much as I want Utd to do a number on City, its will not happen.

Could be a mullering.

I think it's a given both that City will win that game and finish on a superiour goal difference to us.

So I'm happy, just for the pure spectacle of it, for them to hammer as many teams as they like, so long as they lose to us and drop two more points more than us in another game.

mormank

mike65 wrote: »

As entertaining it would be to see Man Utd beat City I really really really cannot even imagine it happening. But I'll be cheering them on. I'd take a draw.

Even if they draw the title will officially be in our hands! That will be the first time I have been able to say that as a Liverpool fan with 9 games to go. Exciting times, cautiosly optimistic. Too much heart ache in the past to really let myself think we will win it tho.

Francie Barrett

Nice to see that Sokolik has started Southend's last two games and has been in the defence that has kept a clean sheet both times. Hope he can impress enough to secure a contract.

rob316

I was watching the highlights again yesterday and just on the sixth goal. Its a routine high ball and its just unbelievable how Suarez mugs the defender, defenders are actually **** scared of him. He puts doubt into there minds in those situations.

daithijjj

whatawaster wrote: »

I don't really think this is the same tactic employed at Swansea at all. We are not all about controlling a game and passing the ball about at the back, we are attacking with pace, playing more direct and playing more on the counter-attack.

I think the manager recognised a few months into his tenure last season that to get the best out of Gerrard and Suarez that we couldn't be patient, slow or controlling. We needed to play with more pace and directness. Less possession and more high-risk football. We've moved away from the Swansea Barca/Spain-type football and are playing more like a Dortmund. Relentless.

Well we will have to disagree there. I didnt suggest we passed it around the back. But we do control the game in our own way, its just higher up the pitch. Its clearly not a mirrored style but has many similarities. Im the last person who wants to see Skrtel play with the ball around the back.

'You just knock it to Stevie there Martin and we can all get on with our lives for few moment's' ... that is my kind of outlook on that idea.

And im sure that became evident to Rodgers. I remember Tony Pulis on BT sport earlier in the year pointing out that his Stoke team targeted Skrtel for this reason. If its being said at Stoke and on live TV by another Prem manager then im sure Rodgers felt the same.

Leon Britton isnt exactly a Gerrard either, of course some things you will have to adapt to. Rodgers took a job with an aging Gerrard in midfield. He wasnt going to drop Gerrard and there wasnt anything like a Gerrard for Swansea. So things shifted in that regard. People have been talking about moving Gerrard deeper for long before Brendan came in.

For me the principles on how we play are the exact same as Swansea, they just dont mirror it because our whole fulcrum starts with Gerrard now. Danny Graham isnt the speedy player we have etc. We cant really compare what Rodgers had and what Rodgers inherited. If we played the same game with Britton and Graham as we do with a Gerrard and Suarez then that would be worrying tbh and not something i ever suggested was similar.

I think the over riding thing Rodgers has given this team is evident in that Swansea team, win the ball back quickly, trust your ability, free movement of attackers etc.

BMJD

I'll be delighted if Utd beat City - now is the time for cold hard numbers not sentiment and we need City to drop points, end of. Love yer team, don't worry about the others.

Pilsbury Doughboy

rob316 wrote: »

I was watching the highlights again yesterday and just on the sixth goal. Its a routine high ball and its just unbelievable how Suarez mugs the defender, defenders are actually **** scared of him. He puts doubt into there minds in those situations.

Had to laugh at Sterlings reaction, he seems to put his hands on his head and be gutted that he didn't get a pass!

kingshankly

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Had to laugh at Sterlings reaction, he seems to put his hands on his head and be gutted that he didn't get a pass!

There were a couple of times yesterday Suarez should have squared it and didn't seemed even greedier than usual

monkey9

Dub13 wrote: »

A clearer pic of the banner, she is holding up well.

Plenty of room beside Rafa for Rodgers's head. Well left.

Pilsbury Doughboy

kingshankly wrote: »

There were a couple of times yesterday Suarez should have squared it and didn't seemed even greedier than usual

I wish he squared it for fantasy football reasons but he wasn't gonna pass up a hattrick, especially when he's trying to beat all sorts of records and the game was well wrapped up.

rob316

Wouldnt class Suarez any bit selfish, he is one on one with keeper and on a hattrick of course he is going to try score. Suarez always looks to pass, wish I could say the same for Daniel he just needs to release the ball more those predictable shots into the side net are very annoying.

mightyreds

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

I wish he squared it for fantasy football reasons but he wasn't gonna pass up a hattrick, especially when he's trying to beat all sorts of records and the game was well wrapped up.

Was some finish made the keeper look a complete mug

mightyreds

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Yeah that was hanging from the windows of the lansdowne hotel .

Was some craic that day. Banner hanging from the windows and the flares, songs been sang felt like we were in anfield

Demosthenese

Last minute, game wrapped up, 2 goals in the bag and a Hatrick looming, 1v1 with no other opposition player in sight - square it??? You must be kidding. A striker MUST be single minded in this situation and he rightly slotted it home. Sterlings reaction was funny but he thought he was in for a free lunch

Call it greedy, i call it class.

Kerrigooney

Demosthenese wrote: »

Last minute, game wrapped up, 2 goals in the bag and a Hatrick looming, 1v1 with no other opposition player in sight - square it??? You must be kidding. A striker MUST be single minded in this situation and he rightly slotted it home. Sterlings reaction was funny but he thought he was in for a free lunch

Call it greedy, i call it class.

He said he apologised to Sterling after the game but he really wanted the hat trick for confidence.

Agent Coulson

Sterling wanted his goal bonus you know to help pay for all that child maintenance

niallo27

mightyreds wrote: »

Was some finish made the keeper look a complete mug

He nearly tripped over his own feet. Was a joy to watch.

budgemook

Dub13. I remember the day Rodgers was hired you said something like "Welcome Brendan. Hopefully you do enough to warrant your place on the IrishKop banner".

Starting to look like a big possibility. Maybe not this year, but he'll get there.

mightyreds

niallo27 wrote: »

He nearly tripped over his own feet. Was a joy to watch.

I keep watching it over again keeper doesn't know what to do.

LiamoSail

Where does this three games per week thing come from? Personally I think its a load of ****e intended to exaggerate something for no apparent reason

People always bang on about it, but one league game, plus one CL games equals two games per week. If you're going to say that the CL means three games per week, then by the same logic do we not currently play two games per week, if we play on the Sunday,then the following Saturday?

I appreciate that with the league fixture timings we can play three times in a seven days (when in CL) period, but if we do, it means we only play once the following week. It still averages two games per week

Gbear

LiamoSail wrote: »

Where does this three games per week thing come from? Personally I think its a load of ****e intended to exaggerate something for no apparent reason

People always bang on about it, but one league game, plus one CL games equals two games per week. If you're going to say that the CL means three games per week, then by the same logic do we not currently play two games per week, if we play on the Sunday,then the following Saturday?

I appreciate that with the league fixture timings we can play three times in a seven days (when in CL) period, but if we do, it means we only play once the following week. It still averages two games per week

It really is a simple matter of counting.

A week is 7 days. If you play a game on Sunday, another on Wednesday and then another on Sunday, how many games have you played in what length of time?

Fatigue doesn't magically disappear on Monday morning just because we defined Monday as the start of a new week.

As it is we play more than two games a week on average, with cup games. Adding the CL brings it close to 3 a week over the course of the season.

There's both a short term effect (and the effects on teams playing league games after CL games are well documented) and also a long term effect.

It's grand Suarez playing every game in a 45 games season. If he has to play a third more matches that's a big difference.

Dub13

mightyreds wrote: »

^^ is that the flag that was hanging outside the lansdown hotel.for the celtic match?

Sure is, its our banner made from donations from Irish Kop members.

niallo27

Gbear wrote: »

It really is a simple matter of counting.

A week is 7 days. If you play a game on Sunday, another on Wednesday and then another on Sunday, how many games have you played in what length of time?

Fatigue doesn't magically disappear on Monday morning just because we defined Monday as the start of a new week.

As it is we play more than two games a week on average, with cup games. Adding the CL brings it close to 3 a week over the course of the season.

There's both a short term effect (and the effects on teams playing league games after CL games are well documented) and also a long term effect.

It's grand Suarez playing every game in a 45 games season. If he has to play a third more matches that's a big difference.

Suarez could play 100 games a season with no affect on him. He is the chuck Norris of football.

Dub13

budgemook wrote: »

Dub13. I remember the day Rodgers was hired you said something like "Welcome Brendan. Hopefully you do enough to warrant your place on the IrishKop banner".

Starting to look like a big possibility. Maybe not this year, but he'll get there.

I hope so, he has the team playing so well and getting better the longer he has 'the group' together.

Gbear

Gbear wrote: »

It really is a simple matter of counting.

A week is 7 days. If you play a game on Sunday, another on Wednesday and then another on Sunday, how many games have you played in what length of time?
.

3 in 8 days?

LiamoSail

Gbear wrote: »

It really is a simple matter of counting.

A week is 7 days. If you play a game on Sunday, another on Wednesday and then another on Sunday, how many games have you played in what length of time?

Fatigue doesn't magically disappear on Monday morning just because we defined Monday as the start of a new week.

As it is we play more than two games a week on average, with cup games. Adding the CL brings it close to 3 a week over the course of the season.

There's both a short term effect (and the effects on teams playing league games after CL games are well documented) and also a long term effect.

It's grand Suarez playing every game in a 45 games season. If he has to play a third more matches that's a big difference.

Work it out if you want, it still averages two games per week if you have a reasonable run in the cups.

Obviously you can play three games in a seven day period, but that mean in the next seven day period you'll still only play one.

I'm not disputing the effect it has on the players, my point is simply that we currently play one game per week. The CL involves one extra game per week. So why then is it suddenly described as three games per week? You wouldn't describe our current situation as two games per week, despite us playing on a Sunday, then the following Saturday

5live

LiamoSail wrote: »

Where does this three games per week thing come from? Personally I think its a load of ****e intended to exaggerate something for no apparent reason

People always bang on about it, but one league game, plus one CL games equals two games per week. If you're going to say that the CL means three games per week, then by the same logic do we not currently play two games per week, if we play on the Sunday,then the following Saturday?

I appreciate that with the league fixture timings we can play three times in a seven days (when in CL) period, but if we do, it means we only play once the following week. It still averages two games per week

As Gbear said above.

Also, just because Suarez hasn't been injured up to now doesn't mean he won't in future.

We have a first team of, in effect, 14. Saturdays 11 plus Sterling, Lucas and Enrique. The rest, atm, are bit part players.

Playing 6 CL games (assuming we qualify) plus cup games, injuries, suspensions mean we probably need a minimum of 4 new first team players for next season.

Plus BR has to show the ability to combine a bigger squad to get similar results to this season. But lets worry about that when it becomes a problem at the end of May.

niallo27

5live wrote: »

As Gbear said above.

Also, just because Suarez hasn't been injured up to now doesn't mean he won't in future.

We have a first team of, in effect, 14. Saturdays 11 plus Sterling, Lucas and Enrique. The rest, atm, are bit part players.

Playing 6 CL games (assuming we qualify) plus cup games, injuries, suspensions mean we probably need a minimum of 4 new first team players for next season.

Plus BR has to show the ability to combine a bigger squad to get similar results to this season. But lets worry about that when it becomes a problem at the end of May.

Sahko toure Kelly can all do a job.

5live

niallo27 wrote: »

Sahko toure Kelly can all do a job.

Enough to get us qualified for the CL again next season?

With Spurs probably challenging under a new manager and manU back in the mix also, its probably going to be a little harder next season.

LiamoSail

5live wrote: »

As Gbear said above.

Also, just because Suarez hasn't been injured up to now doesn't mean he won't in future.

We have a first team of, in effect, 14. Saturdays 11 plus Sterling, Lucas and Enrique. The rest, atm, are bit part players.

Playing 6 CL games (assuming we qualify) plus cup games, injuries, suspensions mean we probably need a minimum of 4 new first team players for next season.

Plus BR has to show the ability to combine a bigger squad to get similar results to this season. But lets worry about that when it becomes a problem at the end of May.

I don't dispute that. You're interpreting my complaint to be on a far more relevant level to what it is is. My issue is purely pedantic

1 league game per week + 1 CL game per week = two games per week, not three.

I entirely agree your argument regarding the ability of the squad to cope, and the need for greater depth, my argument is purely on the descriptive thing of three games per week. It's not even relevant, it just pisses me off, and I'm pretty sure all the mathematical greats, Newton, Pythagarus, Archimides and Carol Voderman would be with me on this one

5starpool

LiamoSail wrote: »

Work it out if you want, it still averages two games per week if you have a reasonable run in the cups.

Obviously you can play three games in a seven day period, but that mean in the next seven day period you'll still only play one.

I'm not disputing the effect it has on the players, my point is simply that we currently play one game per week. The CL involves one extra game per week. So why then is it suddenly described as three games per week? You wouldn't describe our current situation as two games per week, despite us playing on a Sunday, then the following Saturday

In a very successful season teams play around 70 games if they have deep CL runs and do well in domestic cups. The league season is about 39 weeks long, not including pre season, so that's less than 2 games per week even in very successful seasons. If you do well in the domestic cups with no Europe, it's about 1.5 games a week. This season we'll have played 43 games, barely over 1 per week on average.

I'm not sure what the argument is really as I only skimmed and saw some mentions, so I don't know who is arguing what, but those are the maths. In 2001 when we won 3 cups, we played 63 (figures below unverified, I just cut and pasted from somewhere).

38 League
13 UEFA Cup
6 FA Cup
6 League Cup

LiamoSail

5starpool wrote: »

In a very successful season teams play around 70 games if they have deep CL runs and do well in domestic cups. The league season is about 39 weeks long, not including pre season, so that's less than 2 games per week even in very successful seasons. If you do well in the domestic cups with no Europe, it's about 1.5 games a week. This season we'll have played 43 games, barely over 1 per week on average.

I'm not sure what the argument is really as I only skimmed and saw some mentions, so I don't know who is arguing what, but those are the maths. In 2001 when we won 3 cups, we played 63 (figures below unverified, I just cut and pasted from somewhere).

38 League
13 UEFA Cup
6 FA Cup
6 League Cup

I wouldn't bother reading back, I'm just being pedantic in my argument that playing in Europe means two games on average per week, as oppose to the much talked about three games per week

gimli2112

Gbear wrote: »

I think it's a given both that City will win that game and finish on a superiour goal difference to us.

So I'm happy, just for the pure spectacle of it, for them to hammer as many teams as they like, so long as they lose to us and drop two more points more than us in another game.

Not if we beat them 7-0 at Anfield:D

BenEadir

Gbear wrote: »

It really is a simple matter of counting.

A week is 7 days. If you play a game on Sunday, another on Wednesday and then another on Sunday, how many games have you played in what length of time?

Sunday to Sunday is 8 days. In your example two games were played in the week starting on the first Sunday ie Sunday to Saturday.

If we spent a whole 39 week season playing every single Sunday and Wednesday we'd play a total of 78 matches averaging (obviously) two a week.

Sure there are times, typically towards the end of the season, where progress in the cups can mean rearranged games leading to scenarios like the above where we play three games in 8 days but the converse is that there will weeks where we only play one game in a week.

Agueroooo

Im surprised the potential ban Gerrard is facing for another yellow is not getting more attention.

If he gets a yellow between now and the second Sunday in April its an auto 2 game ban.

thats a real concern seeing what big games we have on the horizon

gafferino

Agueroooo wrote: »

Im surprised the potential ban Gerrard is facing for another yellow is not getting more attention.

If he gets a yellow between now and the second Sunday in April its an auto 2 game ban.

thats a real concern seeing what big games we have on the horizon

It was discussed and people were saying its a 1 game ban?
Definitely worrying. It was a stupid tackle he made to get that yellow. He was caught flat footed and just upended him basically.

Eight Ball

Agueroooo wrote: »

Im surprised the potential ban Gerrard is facing for another yellow is not getting more attention.

If he gets a yellow between now and the second Sunday in April its an auto 2 game ban.

thats a real concern seeing what big games we have on the horizon

No point worrying about that it's going to happen at some stage we'll just need to deal with it.

Agueroooo

Odds are a ban is coming and the question is more about how many games?

Some say cause he didn't get banned during the first batch of games then its only a one game if he reaches the tally in this phase of games.

still a ban is a ban and its Gerarrd we are on about.

it would be almost tempting to get it out of the way before one of the massive games coming.

djPSB

Agueroooo wrote: »

Im surprised the potential ban Gerrard is facing for another yellow is not getting more attention.

If he gets a yellow between now and the second Sunday in April its an auto 2 game ban.

thats a real concern seeing what big games we have on the horizon

Ah sure wasn't he past it according to some anyways :P

Agueroooo

djPSB wrote: »

Ah sure wasn't he past it according to some anyways :P

Honestly I wanted him to play less and be weaned out of the team from this season on.

in his previous role (higher up) everything, and I mean everything, had to be played through him at the detriment of some more creative players.

I thought we were too reliant on him and we needed (and we still do) to act quicker for a potential replacement.

Now in his deeper role its still allowing him dictate play but its the creative players in front of him doing most of the damage.
genius by Rodgers imo and Gerrard once again is undroppable.

thats why I think people will be surprised at who , and what type of player will be our prime target in the summer window. ...I think its another center circle type midfielder on top of the list.

monkey9

If Gerrard gets a suspension, then Lucas can come in. We've coped grand without Gerrard at times this season. It's not ideal to have him suspended, but it's not the big disaster it once might have been either.

Agueroooo

monkey9 wrote: »

If Gerrard gets a suspension, then Lucas can come in. We've coped grand without Gerrard at times this season. It's not ideal to have him suspended, but it's not the big disaster it once might have been either.

I hear ya but I want that fűcking Gerrard beast that we had at Old Trafford playing against everyone for the remainder of the season.

The guy knows its probably the best chance he is going to get to land a PL medal.we need him for every remaining sec.

Grayditch

If I get another yellow, I'm outta here for a month, so I know EXACTLY how Gerrard feels...


:pac:

gafferino

Rodgers trying to ramp up the atmosphere in Anfield......cant wait for this game now! I hate having games in hand (as long as we get the 3 points!!)

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/159702-rodgers-sends-out-message-to-the-kop

"We're really looking forward to playing at Anfield now on Wednesday night," Rodgers told Liverpoolfc.com. "It's a big game for us.

"Hopefully the supporters can really get behind the team well before kick-off, get the atmosphere revved up for the game and we'll look to continue on this great run. As you can see, we believe we can perform well and get results.

"Cardiff was the fourth away game on the spin that we've won and we've played three games on the bounce away from home - Southampton, Manchester United and now at Cardiff.