Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod warning post#7005

rob316

Johnson playing well. Can still be an important player in the run in for us.

Knex*

5live wrote: »

You're just getting spoiled from watching too much good football;)

I've actually thought that a couple of times this season. To take it even further, whenever I'm watching a game without Liverpool with a few of my mates, I always say, "A game without Suarez is a game missing something".

We've been privileged with that fella and watching Liverpool under Rodgers this year.

Knex*

rob316 wrote: »

Johnson playing well. Can still be an important player in the run in for us.

He looks a lot fitter, or something. Doing alright.

Want Gerrard to come off, but have the feeling he'll play 70+. Hodgson has a history of it when it comes to him. He'll take Hendo off before him, even.

Get Sturridge and Sterling off at HT, at least.

mike65

HT 0-0

Sterling has done well
Gerrard has pinged a few decent balls to Cole
Sturridge needs to be playing central
Hendo anonymous
Johnson looked decent going forward

Hopefully all will be withdrawn now!

djPSB

Knex. wrote: »

Out of form Rooney and Wilshire is the main thing tonight. He couldn't have set them up any more like Liverpool otherwise, tbh. It is slower alright, and the build up from the back is different too.

Rooney has been as bad as I've ever seen him. Which is good news for next week, perhaps. Wilshire, as I said, not great either. Also good news.

Very hard to get a team playing like us when they only have a day or two to prepare. Rodgers system took months to assemble.

Plus Hodgson is manager so they've no hope.

DaveSuarez

Every one of our players should be in Luke Shaws ear after the game telling him how wonderful life in Liverpool is.

Agent Coulson

DaveSuarez wrote: »

Every one of our players should be in Luke Shaws ear after the game telling him how wonderful life in Liverpool is.

He is a Chelsea fan and Cole is his Idol and he has pretty much signed for Chelsea anyway.

smileyj1987

djPSB wrote: »

Very hard to get a team playing like us when they only have a day or two to prepare. Rodgers system took months to assemble.

Plus Hodgson is manager so they've no hope.

They are missing mig , agger , Skrtel , flano Suarez and Coutinho .

mike65

Sign Lallana!

Raif Severance

Sturridge.

Agent Coulson

Now take Sturridge off for the love of god.

Washington Irving

Great header.

messinkiapina

Does all this FPP talk mean that we'll have feck all transfer funds in the summer?

Also, I would have thought that repaying debt wouldn't count against you. I mean repaying debt is very different to accumulating debt???

Knex*

Sterling MOTM.

Wonder how much he's worth now?

Bacchus

Man of the Match for Sterling. Nice one

Francie Barrett

messinkiapina wrote: »

Also, I would have thought that repaying debt wouldn't count against you. I mean repaying debt is very different to accumulating debt???

I think the press are just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.

klose

Looks like we'll have a clean bill of health after the freindlies.

mike65

Liverpool 1 - 0 Denmark (Sturridge 82m)

Everyone seems to have come through that in one piece but my god one can only be glad of the current manager.

Now how much will Lallana cost if Suso goes to Seville for 10 million?

Agent Coulson

If Suso goes to Sevilla Rakitic must be part of that deal.

billy2012

mike65 wrote: »

Sign Lallana!

He is a super player, has really impressed me this season.

Shaw looked so comfortable tonight....it's getting a bit boring but he is a serious talent and would pay big to have him at Liverpool.

Courtesy Flush

Knex. wrote: »

Sterling MOTM.

Wonder how much he's worth now?

shhhhhhh
we want to hang onto him

8-10

mike65 wrote: »

Liverpool 1 - 1 Denmark (Sturridge 82m)

Everyone seems to have come through that in one piece but my god one can only be glad of the current manager.

Now how much will Lallana cost if Suso goes to Seville for 10 million?

? What's the '1' for Denmark signify?

Any injuries

NabyLadistheman

It's something that entered my mind on Saturday. Can anyone see Lallana in occupying the no. 10 position currently occupied by Coutinho. This is not a criticism of the Brazilian who has been brilliant but next season if we are playing massive games twice a week we are going to need the depth of quality in the squad.

I reckon Lallana would be quality in our set-up

Knex*

rarnes1 wrote: »

Any injuries

All good.

bad2dabone

rarnes1 wrote: »

Any injuries

Jack "mr glass" wilshere.
Liverpools lads came through unscathed.

LiamoSail

messinkiapina wrote: »

Also, I would have thought that repaying debt wouldn't count against you. I mean repaying debt is very different to accumulating debt???

Logically, a debt must be racked up prior to it needing to be repaid.

The argument that the repayment of debt should be excluded from FFP for accounting purposes is flawed on the basis that a club could then borrow an amount, spend it on players/wages, then upon repayment of the debt seek to have it excluded from FFP accounting

whatawaster

LiamoSail wrote: »

Logically, a debt must be racked up prior to it needing to be repaid.

The argument that the repayment of debt should be excluded from FFP for accounting purposes is flawed on the basis that a club could then borrow an amount, spend it on players/wages, then upon repayment of the debt seek to have it excluded from FFP accounting

Repayment of debt (capital element) does not impact on the club's profit and loss account, so has no bearing on FFP, unless I'm mistaken. Not entirely sure how FFP is measured.

LiamoSail

whatawaster wrote: »

Repayment of debt (capital element) does not impact on the club's profit and loss account, so has no bearing on FFP, unless I'm mistaken. Not entirely sure how FFP is measured.

I haven't read too much into it, but I'd have thought transfer fees fall under the umbrella of capital investment, and hence repayment on debt accrued for this purpose are considered in FFP.

Headlines aside I haven't looked at the accounts published the other day, so I'm only working off speculation/assumptions

messinkiapina

LiamoSail wrote: »

Logically, a debt must be racked up prior to it needing to be repaid.

The argument that the repayment of debt should be excluded from FFP for accounting purposes is flawed on the basis that a club could then borrow an amount, spend it on players/wages, then upon repayment of the debt seek to have it excluded from FFP accounting

I would have thought that if a club borrows £100m in let's say 2012, then that counts as a £100m deficit for the club in 2012. If the club repay that debt in 2014, they shouldn't be penalised a further £100m in FPP accounting terms, right?

If it's counted against the club when they repay the loan (rather than when the loan is taken out), couldn't City get a 1billion loan from Abu Dhabi, pay it back over a 1000 year term and avoid any FFP sanctions that way?

djPSB

Lallana for £10m would be a good addition, wouldn't spend anymore than that on him.

Shaw would be an excellent addition and would sort out left back for the next 10+ years. Seems to be heading for Chelsea though by all accounts and I doubt we have that kind of money to invest in a left back.

rob316

djPSB wrote: »

Lallana for £10m would be a good addition, wouldn't spend anymore than that on him.

Shaw would be an excellent addition and would sort out left back for the next 10+ years. Seems to be heading for Chelsea though by all accounts and I doubt we have that kind of money to invest in a left back.

Hes young, their captain, and now probably an england regular if you could get him for £20 million you would be doing well id say. I wouldnt spend 20 million on him though.

5starpool

LiamoSail

messinkiapina wrote: »

I would have thought that if a club borrows £100m in let's say 2012, then that counts as a £100m deficit for the club in 2012. If the club repay that debt in 2014, they shouldn't be penalised a further £100m in FPP accounting terms, right?

If it's counted against the club when they repay the loan (rather than when the loan is taken out), couldn't City get a 1billion loan from Abu Dhabi, pay it back over a 1000 year term and avoid any FFP sanctions that way?

In the first instance, I honestly don't know. I'd imagine debt accrued, only to the extent of expenditure accounted for in FFP, is carried over year on year since the FFP period was implemented, ie rather then recording the £100m this year, it'd have been carried over from the previous years

Regarding the City example, I'd agree with your logic. It being accounted for in the year of expenditure would however necessitate the need for the FFP debt to be carried over year on year, to avoid clubs deliberately not meeting the requirements one year, only to benefit from that expenditure the following year without repercussion.

The other issue is the manner in which clubs record transfer expenditure. From what I know, rather then recording the fee in the year of the transfer, they write it off over a number of years, much as LFC have done in the recent accounts. Again, not sure how this is dealt with under FFP

Utopia Parkway

rob316 wrote: »

Hes young, their captain, and now probably an england regular if you could get him for £20 million you would be doing well id say. I wouldnt spend 20 million on him though.

Lallana turns 26 soon. Not exactly old but he's older than people think. I was surprised myself as I thought he was only 22 ish.

Knex*

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Lallana turns 26 soon. Not exactly old but he's older than people think. I was surprised myself as I thought he was only 22 ish.

People harp on about his youth because he came through Southampton's ranks and has only recently hit the spotlight, relatively speaking.

He's two years older than Allen and Henderson.

I heard Glen Hoddle talking about him earlier and putting him in the same category as Barkley, who's 6 years younger than him, more or less. That's mad, Ted.

K-9

LiamoSail wrote: »

Logically, a debt must be racked up prior to it needing to be repaid.

The argument that the repayment of debt should be excluded from FFP for accounting purposes is flawed on the basis that a club could then borrow an amount, spend it on players/wages, then upon repayment of the debt seek to have it excluded from FFP accounting

I'd assume a club borrowing to pay wages would be outside the rules! AFAIK only debt for stuff like stadium redevelopment is allowable.

Paulegend

Knex. wrote: »

People harp on about his youth because he came through Southampton's ranks and has only recently hit the spotlight, relatively speaking.

He's two years older than Allen and Henderson.

I heard Glen Hoddle talking about him earlier and putting him in the same category as Barkley, who's 6 years younger than him, more or less. That's mad, Ted.

it always reminds me of the call for wes hoolahan to be given a chance with ireland as we need the youth to be introduced into the fold:D was a common call under trapps

5starpool

I liked the last sentence of this bit in the Liverpool Echo match report of the England game:

There was a scare for England when Jack Wilshere went down in agony clutching his foot after a strong challenge from Liverpool centre-back Daniel Agger.

Hodgson and his staff were clearly less than impressed by the ferocity of the tackle but in truth it was a 50-50 and the ball was there to be won. The stretcher wasn't required as the Arsenal midfielder made a miraculous recovery.

Gmol

Llallana is a good player but we could get better quality probably for cheaper. Would like Shaw but unlikely, think a winger is what we need

Utopia Parkway

Gmol wrote: »

Llallana is a good player but we could get better quality probably for cheaper. Would like Shaw but unlikely, think a winger is what we need

Well that's it. Is Lallana better than say Konoplyanka or Firmino? Both of whom would be cheaper most likely (and younger). Obviously with Lallana you know what you are getting. There is always the small chance that a foreign player might not settle.

dr ro

Knex. wrote: »

Sturridge is playing as the LW, with Rooney the main man up top. Gerrard and Hendo in similar roles as they play for us. Sterling RW and Johnson RB.

Not wanting to play Rooney deeper and sacrificing a CM, is probably what is seeing Sturridge out wide. Unlucky that the leading English goal scorer can't get a game as the CF.

I wonder did woy tell wayne to play in the suawez wole?

DaveSuarez

Turtyturd

5starpool wrote: »

I liked the last sentence of this bit in the Liverpool Echo match report of the England game:

I think Wilshere just has some kind of balance problem....or secret grass sniffing addiction as he spends that much time on the ground.

I am surprised Agger came through it in one piece though.

Augmerson

Goal for Sturridge and MOTM for Sterling? Wahey!

LiamoSail

K-9 wrote: »

I'd assume a club borrowing to pay wages would be outside the rules! AFAIK only debt for stuff like stadium redevelopment is allowable.

Yea would assume so. What I'm unsure about is what year that would be recorded in, and whether debt accrued is carried over. If it is, that could potentially hamstring clubs for years. Had FFP been introduced earlier, would carrying over debt rule Portsmouth out today because of their spending five years ago? Not that Portsmouth will be worried about Europe, just using them as an example

Devilman40k

Augmerson wrote: »

Goal for Sturridge and MOTM for Sterling? Wahey!

More importantly....no reports of injuries

gimli2112

Turned on the England game last night just in time to see Sterling play a lovely ball over the top for Rooney which he made a hames of.
Both commentators talked about Wayne's marvellous run with no mention of Sterling.
Turned it off!
Nice Goal from Sturridge though. Great cross from Lallana according to SSN, this morning.

Soft Falling Rain

Devilman40k wrote: »

More importantly....no reports of injuries

Clive Teadsley put the proverbial up me though, he kept insisting Sturridge had hurt himself trying to keep the ball in play.

Vicxas

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Clive Teadsley put the proverbial up me though, he kept insisting Sturridge had hurt himself trying to keep the ball in play.

That drove me nuts, Sterling/Sturridge and Gerrard all needed to do better, but the sun shined out of Rooney's arse.